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jet57
02-22-2021, 10:51 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -

Tahuyaman
02-22-2021, 11:41 PM
What an idiot.

The Booman
02-22-2021, 11:44 PM
So the party that refuses to discuss Biden and his policies is demanding the evil conservatives do the sort of thing the democrats are afraid to do.

I like this.

The Booman
02-22-2021, 11:45 PM
What an idiot.

A useful idiot.

nathanbforrest45
02-22-2021, 11:59 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -

To answer your last question: Is there religion in government? Of course, as laid out in the First Amendment in which Congress shall make no laws regarding the establishment of religion. That does not mean freedom from religion where religion shall not be discussed in public. It means that the Federal Government does not attempt to establish any religion as the dominant religion. George Washington stated: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
I would simply restate the position taken by Sean Hannity stating Conservatism was a return to the principles of the Constitution, the Federal Government should always defer to the several states for anything other than specifically listed in the Constitution. As far as the "regulations" I would have to look at each of the 44 million regulations currently on the books. My first reaction to that question is ALL OF THEM and then re institute those that would truly help all Americans. I would certainly repeal the income tax and institute a national sales tax as outlined by Neal Boortz in his book "The Fair Tax"

Most federal regulations have been passed in order to help a specific industry or group.

I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written. That is truly your loss.

Retirednsmilin308
02-23-2021, 12:08 AM
@jet57 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2416)

I see the only peaceful solution is for the UNITED states to no longer be UNITED. We are not now anyway.

Balkanization is the best and most peaceful solution.

******************************************

Now for my own personal input as to how.

The old Confederacy and the western states should form their own country.

California, Oregon, and Washington should form a republic of their own.

New York, NJ, PA, and a few others can decide who they want to unite with or make another country of their own.

New England might have a bust up too because Maine and VT, NH are nothing like MA, RI, and CT.

TEXAS of course will be its own independent republic again, but this time, stay that way.

************************************************

We are no longer UNITED states.

Our reps can never agree on anything and every decision is straight down party lines.

When a new Prez takes over, they wind up writing zillions of executive orders to cancel out the last set of EO's the last guy did.

Legislation is now done through Executive orders and Supreme Court decisions as the legislature is so embroiled in hatred for the other side, they are acting like children.

YES...it is time to break this country up and divide it along tribal lines. In reality it already is, so why not make it official.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2021, 12:23 AM
A useful idiot.
Useful to whom?

Chris
02-23-2021, 12:32 AM
A useful idiot.

Useless.

The Booman
02-23-2021, 12:33 AM
Useful to whom?

The state.

Chris
02-23-2021, 12:45 AM
In a way, politically, all conservatives need do is play the opposition to whatever Biden and the Democrats do if and when they figure out what that is.

The Booman
02-23-2021, 12:53 AM
In a way, politically, all conservatives need do is play the opposition to whatever Biden and the Democrats do if and when they figure out what that is.

That's kind of what both sides do. It's also why nothing changes....aside from tax rates.

Tahuyaman
02-23-2021, 12:58 AM
The state.
The state of confusion or chaos?

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 06:23 AM
@jet57 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2416)

I see the only peaceful solution is for the UNITED states to no longer be UNITED. We are not now anyway.

Balkanization is the best and most peaceful solution.

******************************************

Now for my own personal input as to how.

The old Confederacy and the western states should form their own country.

California, Oregon, and Washington should form a republic of their own.

New York, NJ, PA, and a few others can decide who they want to unite with or make another country of their own.

New England might have a bust up too because Maine and VT, NH are nothing like MA, RI, and CT.

TEXAS of course will be its own independent republic again, but this time, stay that way.

************************************************

We are no longer UNITED states.

Our reps can never agree on anything and every decision is straight down party lines.

When a new Prez takes over, they wind up writing zillions of executive orders to cancel out the last set of EO's the last guy did.

Legislation is now done through Executive orders and Supreme Court decisions as the legislature is so embroiled in hatred for the other side, they are acting like children.

YES...it is time to break this country up and divide it along tribal lines. In reality it already is, so why not make it official.

I agree

countryboy
02-23-2021, 06:35 AM
In a way, politically, all conservatives need do is play the opposition to whatever Biden and the Democrats do if and when they figure out what that is.

We need to turn their own tactics against them.

donttread
02-23-2021, 07:32 AM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -


I can only speak for myself but obviously we need to start with the BOR's. It's written quite plainly so we need to respect it. I fear it has become necessary to add ideaology to the non-discrimination clause.That is NOT to say we would have total free speech at work but colleges corporatiuons with government contracts etc need to be prevented from discrimination based upon political beliefs. I'd like to see government work within it's Constitutional Limitations and for example regulate true interstate commerce by breaking up big tech as they are a functional monopoly. While pulling back on envirnomental regualation via Constitutional review and cost benefits. and of course real science. Which shows that CC is nowhere near the monster we have been told it is.
Some things the feds need to get out of are drug policy within the states and the same with gun control also human service programs other than SS/Mediacre turning the majority of social programs/welfare back over to the states with limited rules on how they enact those programs. Off couse the feds would now require and collect less taxes so the states could have more. Efficieicy alone would save tens of billions plus.

Use the bathroom of your birth gender or use the one you look like and go in the stall, no one will know or care as long as you don't make a fuss about it. No more legislated racism in any direction that means abandoning the failed program of AA for example. There are tow genders but people have the right to live as either or some make believe ones but they can only BE the gender of their birth.
Term limits, limits on campaign spending, banning congressional insider trading, immediate return of power to state legislatures and real definitions of emergency powers to prevent more of the abuses we saw in 2020/2021.
A reaonable plan to 1) Achieve and maintain complete energy independence first and 2) Then encourage not legislate a gradual increase in alternate energy's share . Pull out of G-7 and other wasteful/useful organizations to include the UN. Strict limitations on EO's and a federal respect for the individual that we seem to have lost.

As for other regulations start with a Constitutional review and then evaluate the surviors based upon real science and cost benefits. That should eliminate much of the over the top envirnomental

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 08:26 AM
1. Follow the Constitution including its principle of federalism.

2. Regulations: review them and remove the overly onerous ones, the ones that favor big business over small business (or create separate regulations for each). Ensure regulations that remain make sense and achieve their stated goals.

jet57
02-23-2021, 06:12 PM
To answer your last question: Is there religion in government? Of course, as laid out in the First Amendment in which Congress shall make no laws regarding the establishment of religion. That does not mean freedom from religion where religion shall not be discussed in public. It means that the Federal Government does not attempt to establish any religion as the dominant religion. George Washington stated: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
I would simply restate the position taken by Sean Hannity stating Conservatism was a return to the principles of the Constitution, the Federal Government should always defer to the several states for anything other than specifically listed in the Constitution. As far as the "regulations" I would have to look at each of the 44 million regulations currently on the books. My first reaction to that question is ALL OF THEM and then re institute those that would truly help all Americans. I would certainly repeal the income tax and institute a national sales tax as outlined by Neal Boortz in his book "The Fair Tax"

Most federal regulations have been passed in order to help a specific industry or group.

I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written. That is truly your loss.


Okay, I ask if in your world there is religion in government? and mention the first amendment; vaguely and it looks like you're saying that religion should be discussed, meaning Christianity in public forums on public property: that's all I can get from a rather confused sentence on it.

You then try and refer to Washington's 1796 farewell address and insert this false facebook quote: It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Well Washington never said that. It's been shown to be false, so you pasted an amalgam that is disingenuous. Here's what Washington said in that address:


Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

The sense of obligation, nothing more. And, apparently you like regulations

And then you try and quote Hannity, which could have come from anywhere.

You really have no idea what kind of government would exist in a conservative United States. And then you add this gem :"I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written." NOBODY can understand a single word you've written; it doesn't make any sense at all.

jet57
02-23-2021, 06:21 PM
1. Follow the Constitution including its principle of federalism.

2. Regulations: review them and remove the overly onerous ones, the ones that favor big business over small business (or create separate regulations for each). Ensure regulations that remain make sense and achieve their stated goals.

So what IS federalism?

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 06:25 PM
So what IS federalism?
This question demonstrates how dumbed down school is in the US.

And it is part of the plan towards authoritarianism.

Can any intelligent person tell me that they hear the word federalism and go blank?

Any support for Jet?

jet57
02-23-2021, 06:27 PM
This question demonstrates how dumbed down school is in the US.

And it is part of the plan towards authoritarianism.

Can any intelligent person tell me that they hear the word federalism and go blank?

Any support for Jet?

So, you want federalism, but don't know what it is...

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 06:28 PM
So, you want federalism, but don't know what it is...
Can anyone believe this guy?

lol

The Booman
02-23-2021, 06:29 PM
Can anyone believe this guy?

lol

He thinks he's the smartest guy on the forum.

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 06:30 PM
He thinks he's the smartest guy on the forum.
And that gives me so much joy. Because, well, rocks.

jet57
02-23-2021, 06:33 PM
Can anyone believe this guy?

lol

No, people don’t believe you; you’re full of it.

Leanne778
02-23-2021, 06:42 PM
@jet57 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2416)

I see the only peaceful solution is for the UNITED states to no longer be UNITED. We are not now anyway.

Balkanization is the best and most peaceful solution.

******************************************

Now for my own personal input as to how.

The old Confederacy and the western states should form their own country.

California, Oregon, and Washington should form a republic of their own.

New York, NJ, PA, and a few others can decide who they want to unite with or make another country of their own.

New England might have a bust up too because Maine and VT, NH are nothing like MA, RI, and CT.

TEXAS of course will be its own independent republic again, but this time, stay that way.

************************************************

We are no longer UNITED states.

Our reps can never agree on anything and every decision is straight down party lines.

When a new Prez takes over, they wind up writing zillions of executive orders to cancel out the last set of EO's the last guy did.

Legislation is now done through Executive orders and Supreme Court decisions as the legislature is so embroiled in hatred for the other side, they are acting like children.

YES...it is time to break this country up and divide it along tribal lines. In reality it already is, so why not make it official.

This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!

Amy Klobuchar recently introduced (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/4880?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22chamberActionDateCo de%3A%5C%222020-10-26%7C116%7C10000%5C%22+AND+billIsReserved%3A%5C%22 N%5C%22%22%5D%7D&s=1&r=22) in the Senate a version of the “Protecting Our Democracy” Act (https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/house-democrats-introduce-landmark-reforms-package-the-protecting-our-democracy). Among other things, it addresses abuses of the pardon power, violations of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause and the Hatch Act, completely transgressed in August’s misuse of the White House for the Republican national convention. The bill also extends protections for whistleblowers and inspectors general and limits the abuse of Executive Orders to infringe on congressional authority.
At the same time, Vice President Joe Biden announced (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522209-biden-proposes-commission-to-study-supreme-court-if-elected) that if he is elected President he will create a bipartisan commission to study reforms of the judiciary, saying that the system is “getting out of whack.”
And with the current controversy, for example, over a Supreme Court potentially out of step with the country, proposals for correcting course are manifold (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/27/opinion/supreme-court-reform.html). They range from adding members, to term limits, to creating a special Court to consider constitutional issues, to transferring the Court’s power to select the cases it hears.
All of this suggests that the damage done by President Trump may have shaken us from our complacency about our political and legal institutions. Americans now know that they can no longer rest assured (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-americas-institutions-are-failing/613078/) of the resiliency of the political and legal institutions
This nation’s crises often result when leaders indulge expediency—short-cutting, ignoring, or undermining essential norms and institutions. President Trump alerted Americans to his hostility to those norms and institutions in his 2016 campaign when he said (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/trump-rnc-speech-alone-fix-it/492557/), referring to this nation’s problems that “I alone can fix it.” And his failure in handling the COVID-19 pandemic illustrates the danger (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21366624/trump-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-failure) of personalizing power and Trump’s “magical thinking.”
American history suggests that crisis often births an era of reform. This pattern vindicates what Rahm Emanuel, then-President Obama’s Chief of Staff said (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/magazine/02FOB-onlanguage-t.html) in the wake of the 2008 financial collapse: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”


These moments in our history illustrate that reform can come from any of government’s three branches. But reform and rebirth require not only vision and imagination but also mobilizing public sentiment and putting together broad coalitions.
Today it is essential that we think broadly and that we ready ourselves for the moment when paths for rebuilding democracy and the rule of law will re-open.
How to Repair the Damage Done by Donald Trump | Austin Sarat | Verdict | Legal Analysis and Commentary from Justia (https://verdict.justia.com/2020/11/02/how-to-repair-the-damage-done-by-donald-trump)

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 06:43 PM
No, people don’t believe you; you’re full of it.
I imagine not.

Jet you are viewed here as a [censored.]

Red Lily
02-23-2021, 06:43 PM
:loco:

Hoosier8
02-23-2021, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia]Amy Klobuchar recently

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 06:55 PM
This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!

Amy Klobuchar recently introduced (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/4880?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22chamberActionDateCo de%3A%5C%222020-10-26%7C116%7C10000%5C%22+AND+billIsReserved%3A%5C%22 N%5C%22%22%5D%7D&s=1&r=22) in the Senate a version of the “Protecting Our Democracy” Act (https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/house-democrats-introduce-landmark-reforms-package-the-protecting-our-democracy). Among other things, it addresses abuses of the pardon power, violations of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause and the Hatch Act, completely transgressed in August’s misuse of the White House for the Republican national convention. The bill also extends protections for whistleblowers and inspectors general and limits the abuse of Executive Orders to infringe on congressional authority.
At the same time, Vice President Joe Biden announced (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522209-biden-proposes-commission-to-study-supreme-court-if-elected) that if he is elected President he will create a bipartisan commission to study reforms of the judiciary, saying that the system is “getting out of whack.”
And with the current controversy, for example, over a Supreme Court potentially out of step with the country, proposals for correcting course are manifold (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/27/opinion/supreme-court-reform.html). They range from adding members, to term limits, to creating a special Court to consider constitutional issues, to transferring the Court’s power to select the cases it hears.
All of this suggests that the damage done by President Trump may have shaken us from our complacency about our political and legal institutions. Americans now know that they can no longer rest assured (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-americas-institutions-are-failing/613078/) of the resiliency of the political and legal institutions
This nation’s crises often result when leaders indulge expediency—short-cutting, ignoring, or undermining essential norms and institutions. President Trump alerted Americans to his hostility to those norms and institutions in his 2016 campaign when he said (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/trump-rnc-speech-alone-fix-it/492557/), referring to this nation’s problems that “I alone can fix it.” And his failure in handling the COVID-19 pandemic illustrates the danger (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21366624/trump-covid-coronavirus-pandemic-failure) of personalizing power and Trump’s “magical thinking.”
American history suggests that crisis often births an era of reform. This pattern vindicates what Rahm Emanuel, then-President Obama’s Chief of Staff said (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/magazine/02FOB-onlanguage-t.html) in the wake of the 2008 financial collapse: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”


These moments in our history illustrate that reform can come from any of government’s three branches. But reform and rebirth require not only vision and imagination but also mobilizing public sentiment and putting together broad coalitions.
Today it is essential that we think broadly and that we ready ourselves for the moment when paths for rebuilding democracy and the rule of law will re-open.
How to Repair the Damage Done by Donald Trump | Austin Sarat | Verdict | Legal Analysis and Commentary from Justia (https://verdict.justia.com/2020/11/02/how-to-repair-the-damage-done-by-donald-trump)

Leanne. With all due respect Trump didn't start it. Obama started it. Racism, division by any means possible was his entire platform.

The nation needs to divide based on race and ideology.

In that manner they can take care of each other and we can go about the business of doing business.

Leanne778
02-23-2021, 06:57 PM
Leanne. With all due respect Trump didn't start it. Obama started it. Racism, division by any means possible was his entire platform.

The nation needs to divide based on race and ideology.

In that manner they can take care of each other and we can go about the business of doing business.

Well Cotton, we will have to agree to disagree....sadly.

Chris
02-23-2021, 06:58 PM
We need to turn their own tactics against them.

Taking care not to become them.

Chris
02-23-2021, 06:59 PM
So what IS federalism?

That's a dumb question.

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 07:00 PM
That's a dumb question.

Considering we talk about it all the time. Is he a troll or is he a [censored?]

Chris
02-23-2021, 07:01 PM
Okay, I ask if in your world there is religion in government? and mention the first amendment; vaguely and it looks like you're saying that religion should be discussed, meaning Christianity in public forums on public property: that's all I can get from a rather confused sentence on it.

You then try and refer to Washington's 1796 farewell address and insert this false facebook quote: It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Well Washington never said that. It's been shown to be false, so you pasted an amalgam that is disingenuous. Here's what Washington said in that address:



The sense of obligation, nothing more. And, apparently you like regulations

And then you try and quote Hannity, which could have come from anywhere.

You really have no idea what kind of government would exist in a conservative United States. And then you add this gem :"I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written." NOBODY can understand a single word you've written; it doesn't make any sense at all.


The first amendment doesn't separate religion and government.

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 07:02 PM
The first amendment doesn't separate religion and government.
Many people are too stupid to get that.

Chris
02-23-2021, 07:03 PM
Many people are too stupid to get that.

Like those who ask what federalism is?

jet57
02-23-2021, 07:04 PM
Considering we talk about it all the time. Is he a troll or is he a [censored?]
I'm the guy who makes monkeys out of you righties.

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 07:04 PM
Like those who ask what federalism is?
Yes, the dummy should be mocked. Discussion with him is not possible.

It is like talking to a 3 year old with autism.

jet57
02-23-2021, 07:05 PM
The first amendment doesn't separate religion and government.

Where did I say that?

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 07:07 PM
Well Cotton, we will have to agree to disagree....sadly.

Why would we disagree? I thought liberals were unhappy? I thought minorities were unhappy?

If not what were the BLM riots and screaming at the sky about ?

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 07:09 PM
I'm the guy who makes monkeys out of you righties.

Odd. I've never seen that occur. Your pattern is you get into a thread and when it gets beyond replies you can parrot from CNN it other biased media you run away

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 07:11 PM
Well Cotton, we will have to agree to disagree....sadly.

Ok. Let's go a different route. Why would we not want to divide this country? It's already divided so why not make it official ?

jet57
02-23-2021, 07:18 PM
That's a dumb question.

(chuckle)

So you don't know either. Funny how you guys want something you're ignorant about. No wonder you believe Alex Jones!

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 07:19 PM
(chuckle)

So you don't know either. Funny how you guys want something you're ignorant about. No wonder you believe Alex Jones!
Is this the definition of stupid?

Yes or no.

Captdon
02-23-2021, 07:19 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -
Follow the Constitution. If something needs to be done let the states do it as the founders meant. Various states can form compacts that involve them. What doesn't involve SC eliminates our involvement.

One example of regulation unneeded are mines. The states that have mine can safeguard them. The mines in W. Va. are not the business of California.

One example of regulation needed is the Civil Rights Act. It gave the federal government the mens to enforce the Constitution.

jet57
02-23-2021, 07:19 PM
Many people are too stupid to get that.

I suppose you righties are, I mean look at nathonbforrest for cryin out loud. Not a clue.

Peter1469
02-23-2021, 07:20 PM
I suppose you righties are, I mean look at nathonbforrest for cryin out loud. Not a clue.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-nmqDAazElCE%2FUu7D1yCp5oI%2FAAAAAAAAE74%2Fg0lpofF-96c%2Fs1600%2Fsm%2BClown%2B11%2BGrimaldi%2Balike.j pg&f=1&nofb=1

Captdon
02-23-2021, 07:24 PM
Okay, I ask if in your world there is religion in government? and mention the first amendment; vaguely and it looks like you're saying that religion should be discussed, meaning Christianity in public forums on public property: that's all I can get from a rather confused sentence on it.

You then try and refer to Washington's 1796 farewell address and insert this false facebook quote: It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Well Washington never said that. It's been shown to be false, so you pasted an amalgam that is disingenuous. Here's what Washington said in that address:



The sense of obligation, nothing more. And, apparently you like regulations

And then you try and quote Hannity, which could have come from anywhere.

You really have no idea what kind of government would exist in a conservative United States. And then you add this gem :"I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written." NOBODY can understand a single word you've written; it doesn't make any sense at all.

The only religion in government is the values it has. I cannot separate my values from my beliefs.

Captdon
02-23-2021, 07:27 PM
So, you want federalism, but don't know what it is...
You are the one who doesn't know what federalism is.

Chris
02-23-2021, 07:44 PM
Where did I say that?

In the post I quoted--but thanks for backing down.

jet57
02-23-2021, 08:16 PM
In the post I quoted--but thanks for backing down.

Oh you mean the one where I show that nathanbforrest is lying again and BSing people.

Sorry, but nope: never said it.

So why do you lie?

jet57
02-23-2021, 08:18 PM
Is this the definition of stupid?

Yes or no.

I dunno, so far you don't know the definition of anything; least of all federalism.

jet57
02-23-2021, 08:19 PM
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-nmqDAazElCE%2FUu7D1yCp5oI%2FAAAAAAAAE74%2Fg0lpofF-96c%2Fs1600%2Fsm%2BClown%2B11%2BGrimaldi%2Balike.j pg&f=1&nofb=1

Is that your graduation from clown college? You go into court with a diploma from clown college?

Chris
02-23-2021, 08:52 PM
Oh you mean the one where I show that nathanbforrest is lying again and BSing people.

Sorry, but nope: never said it.

So why do you lie?

It one thing to back down but then to defend it with ad home, you're incorrigible.

jet57
02-23-2021, 09:48 PM
It one thing to back down but then to defend it with ad home, you're incorrigible.

Your best at backing down, like now. You can't back up your lie.

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 09:52 PM
Is that your graduation from clown college? You go into court with a diploma from clown college?

I think you need to show a bit of respect to those who are your superior.

jet57
02-23-2021, 09:54 PM
I think you need to show a bit of respect to those who are your superior.

You not besmirching Ringo would be a start.

Leanne778
02-23-2021, 09:54 PM
Ok. Let's go a different route. Why would we not want to divide this country? It's already divided so why not make it official ?
Cotton, whether you believe Obama divided this country or not, the fact remains Trump broke it apart. You wouldn't want us to be united once again?

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 09:55 PM
Cotton, whether you believe Obama divided this country or not, the fact remains Trump broke it apart. You wouldn't want us to be united once again?

Why would I? What good would it do for me and mine ?

Let the mfers pay their own way

Cotton1
02-23-2021, 09:56 PM
You not besmirching Ringo would be a start.

You shutting your cock sucker would be a better start

Chris
02-23-2021, 10:11 PM
Your best at backing down, like now. You can't back up your lie.

That's a lie, I haven't backed down, you have.

carolina73
02-23-2021, 10:16 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -
A group of states that are independent:
Federal Government:
1) Common Defense
2) Serves as the arbiter between the states.
3) Coordinates the states so that people can move between states
4) The Federal Government would only tax for those reasons and nothing more. Not a dime would go to the states.
5) Interstate railroads, pipelines shared waterways would become the responsibility of the Federal Government in coordination with the states. No state or reservation can block required interstate transfer needs. We can make sure there is no exit or use of those services in their state if they wish.

That means no SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Education, FEMA....

Certainly those would need to exist as they were unwound and people were allowed to privatize their retirements under their states guidelines.

The Federal Government should never engage in any activities that were not 100% and equally for everyone. That means 0% redistribution.

The State:
1) The state would need to take up all issues as requested by its voters and finance the programs.
2) Religion would be a state issue.
The state would decide all of these issues base on their needs. States have different needs.

Your Federal taxes would drop significantly and your state taxes would increase. NY and CA would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts. MS and AL would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts.

Boris The Animal
02-23-2021, 10:21 PM
Well Cotton, we will have to agree to disagree....sadly.Only difference is, Obama DID start the divide. He, like you, hates whites, especially conservatives. sorry, but we do need to split the country up. then you can move to your favorite Communist sh!thole.

carolina73
02-23-2021, 10:37 PM
Only difference is, Obama DID start the divide. He, like you, hates whites, especially conservatives. sorry, but we do need to split the country up. then you can move to your favorite Communist sh!thole.
I'm sure she lives in one already. They devlop these views because they are easily manipulated and grow up in a certain areas.
I grew up in Boston and the obsessed become diehard Kennedy lovers and see some of the worst people on earth as their savior. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Franks, Gerry Studds, Pocahontas, Ed Markey...even Mitt Romney.

I always said that if George Bush was born in Iran with his obsessive personality then he would have been at minimum a devote Muslim.

Omar
02-24-2021, 12:00 AM
I see the only peaceful solution is for the UNITED states to no longer be UNITED. We are not now anyway.
This is a good point. The red states don't want to live like the blue states, and the blue states hate the red states. The only fair solution is to increase state rights and decrease federal interference, which was the constitutional intent anyway. That way all the states could live the way they want, and people could move wherever they want. It would be a bit like the secession everybody talks about without real secession.

However, the leftists would never go for this, because they want to control everybody's life, not just their own. Right now they smell blood and want to stamp out opposition.

jet57
02-24-2021, 06:57 AM
This is a good point. The red states don't want to live like the blue states, and the blue states hate the red states. The only fair solution is to increase state rights and decrease federal interference, which was the constitutional intent anyway. That way all the states could live the way they want, and people could move wherever they want. It would be a bit like the secession everybody talks about without real secession.

However, the leftists would never go for this, because they want to control everybody's life, not just their own. Right now they smell blood and want to stamp out opposition.

So you are an anti-federalist.

jet57
02-24-2021, 06:58 AM
Only difference is, Obama DID start the divide. He, like you, hates whites, especially conservatives. sorry, but we do need to split the country up. then you can move to your favorite Communist sh!thole.

You mean to say that the Obama presidency brought out the white racists.

jet57
02-24-2021, 06:59 AM
A group of states that are independent:
Federal Government:
1) Common Defense
2) Serves as the arbiter between the states.
3) Coordinates the states so that people can move between states
4) The Federal Government would only tax for those reasons and nothing more. Not a dime would go to the states.
5) Interstate railroads, pipelines shared waterways would become the responsibility of the Federal Government in coordination with the states. No state or reservation can block required interstate transfer needs. We can make sure there is no exit or use of those services in their state if they wish.

That means no SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Education, FEMA....

Certainly those would need to exist as they were unwound and people were allowed to privatize their retirements under their states guidelines.

The Federal Government should never engage in any activities that were not 100% and equally for everyone. That means 0% redistribution.

The State:
1) The state would need to take up all issues as requested by its voters and finance the programs.
2) Religion would be a state issue.
The state would decide all of these issues base on their needs. States have different needs.

Your Federal taxes would drop significantly and your state taxes would increase. NY and CA would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts. MS and AL would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts.

So you consider yourself an anti federalist?

jet57
02-24-2021, 07:00 AM
That's a lie, I haven't backed down, you have.

How about posting on topic instead of trolling.

You have no idea what a conservative US would look like?

stjames1_53
02-24-2021, 07:18 AM
A troll, trolling, then complaining about someone else and accuse them of trolling..
My oh my. You're the perfect alt-left Alinsky Fool

Leanne778
02-24-2021, 07:42 AM
I'm sure she lives in one already. They devlop these views because they are easily manipulated and grow up in a certain areas.
I grew up in Boston and the obsessed become diehard Kennedy lovers and see some of the worst people on earth as their savior. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Franks, Gerry Studds, Pocahontas, Ed Markey...even Mitt Romney.

I always said that if George Bush was born in Iran with his obsessive personality then he would have been at minimum a devote Muslim.
If anyone can be manipulated it's the Trump zombies.

stjames1_53
02-24-2021, 07:50 AM
This is a good point. The red states don't want to live like the blue states, and the blue states hate the red states. The only fair solution is to increase state rights and decrease federal interference, which was the constitutional intent anyway. That way all the states could live the way they want, and people could move wherever they want. It would be a bit like the secession everybody talks about without real secession.

However, the leftists would never go for this, because they want to control everybody's life, not just their own. Right now they smell blood and want to stamp out opposition.

It would be a reset from when this country was first formed.
You can thank Lincoln for this federal intrusion. Before him, we were a constitutional republic. Now we exist under the thumb of a central government

stjames1_53
02-24-2021, 07:51 AM
If anyone can be manipulated it's the Trump zombies.
ok. let's look at that for one word: GUN!!!!!
See how you've been manipulated?

DGUtley
02-24-2021, 07:54 AM
If anyone can be manipulated it's the Trump zombies.

LOL... as the left minions and pols respond predictably on cue to anything the MSM spews.

stjames1_53
02-24-2021, 07:58 AM
LOL... as the left minions and pols respond predictably on cue to anything the MSM spews.

A month or so back, the NYT came up with the idea of two masks. The CDC was stumbling around with the fact that masks aren't working.
Joe is seen in public with two masks, then offers up the NYT suggestion.
Just who is running this country?
the NYT?
The socialists?
The democrats?
or the fucking news sources?
Joe* sure as hell isn't..............

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:44 AM
If anyone can be manipulated it's the Trump zombies.


Who's being manipulated? It isn't we, "Trump zombies"......are you still being manipulated into obeying the covid "rules" and wearing your mask? How many are you now wearing?

No, we, " Trump zombies", laugh at the way you obey your democrat leaders and, are manipulated into obeying.

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:48 AM
ok. let's look at that for one word: GUN!!!!!
See how you've been manipulated?


They cheated and committed voter fraud to put a demented, stuttering, bumbling man into the White House and, now can't even talk about him, they deflect to Trump and, calling Trump supporters, zombies......stupid, all the way around.

Omar
02-24-2021, 03:35 PM
A month or so back, the NYT came up with the idea of two masks. The CDC was stumbling around with the fact that masks aren't working.
Joe is seen in public with two masks, then offers up the NYT suggestion.
Just who is running this country?
the NYT?
The socialists?
The democrats?
or the $#@!ing news sources?
Joe* sure as hell isn't..............
The left.

carolina73
02-24-2021, 04:09 PM
If anyone can be manipulated it's the Trump zombies.

I think you here Trump voters here disagree quite often on everything from religion to foreign policy.

I see the leftists here almost entirely acting in unison. Almost as if they were communicating outside the forum to get their stories straight.

If the left stopped the nonsense of orange man bad then you would hear more criticism from the right about some of Trump's policy. But the Democrat question here are usually emotional instead of policy.

Look where the arguments from the left have been here:
Fake Russian narrative
Fake Ukraine phone call narrative
Fake claim of Trump' speech causing an insurrection with his speech. Now they claim it was a months long Trump master plan.

Meanwhile we learned that Trump put kids in Obama's cages, which were really fenced off areas used to keep the kids safe from predatory men and woman.

Trump is a racist because when he condemned the right wing groups he failed to condemn the history teachers protesting the statues being taken down.

Trump tariffs on Chinese goods were an economic disaster despite that fact that inflation did not rise. China devalued their currency and lower prices to offset the tariffs. Yes, I import materials from China because the US government policies shut down the facilities in the US.

If you have something other than emotion then you should bring it up.

RMNIXON
02-24-2021, 05:00 PM
Cotton, whether you believe Obama divided this country or not, the fact remains Trump broke it apart. You wouldn't want us to be united once again?

Trump never claimed the right of "Fundamental Transformation."

He was about defending our Nation and our Greatness that already existed, not some leftist fantasyland!

Sybil Ludington
02-24-2021, 05:47 PM
Oh give it a rest! They've been talking about this for at least a couple of decades now.

https://i.imgflip.com/2d7wt3.jpg

Leanne778
02-24-2021, 05:58 PM
Who's being manipulated? It isn't we, "Trump zombies"......are you still being manipulated into obeying the covid "rules" and wearing your mask? How many are you now wearing?

No, we, " Trump zombies", laugh at the way you obey your democrat leaders and, are manipulated into obeying.
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.

Sybil Ludington
02-24-2021, 06:04 PM
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.
If fauci told you to put a plastic bag over your head, would you do that too?

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 06:08 PM
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.

One problem with the "Great Orange One". I'm not orange. :grin:

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 06:28 PM
If fauci told you to put a plastic bag over your head, would you do that too?

After a few years into the Biden presidency Fauci wouldn't even have to ask me to put a plastic bag over my head :)

Abby08
02-24-2021, 06:31 PM
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.


How, have I been manipulated?

No, nothing you've said has ever been funny.

Abby08
02-24-2021, 06:34 PM
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.


I'm able to think for myself and, make my own decisions, because no one knows me, like me.

You listen to your leaders and do as they say.

You're the manipulated, brainwashed one.

Abby08
02-24-2021, 06:35 PM
After a few years into the Biden presidency Fauci wouldn't even have to ask me to put a plastic bag over my head :)


It'll soon be the Harris presidency......Residency, that is.

Sybil Ludington
02-24-2021, 06:47 PM
It's easy to see who on this thread are in lock-step with Biden and his anti-God terrorism...


Soul-less Joe and his voters, now in control of the White House, who reject that God is the 'all powerful,' 'perfect and just' Creator, seem to forget that without God nothing—including them—existsJoe Biden’s Trending ‘Anti-God Squad
https://canadafreepress.com/article/joe-bidens-trending-anti-god-squad

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 06:50 PM
Biden hates God for making him ignorant and ugly.

Sybil Ludington
02-24-2021, 06:51 PM
Biden hates God for making him ignorant and ugly.

God didn't do that.

Peter1469
02-24-2021, 06:52 PM
https://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Leanne778 https://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=3191876#post3191876)
I wear one mask and yes you have been manipulated and brainwashed by the great orange one. HAHAHAH great orange one....now that's funny.


How, have I been manipulated?

No, nothing you've said has ever been funny.
What they mean is, if you reject the Establishment you are on the list for destruction.

It has nothing to do with Trump outside the fact he was anti-Establishment.

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 06:57 PM
God didn't do that.

Oh. Now I get it :)

Captdon
02-24-2021, 07:31 PM
Biden hates God for making him ignorant and ugly.Jopedo is a fake.

The Booman
02-24-2021, 07:36 PM
Biden hates God for making him ignorant and ugly.

Biden invented God,

The Booman
02-24-2021, 07:42 PM
You guys should be more respectful to the man who gave Nelson Mandela both kidneys while saving the Pope from a horde of viking berserkers during an earthquake. He then had a sandwich and cured cancer.

Leanne778
02-24-2021, 09:22 PM
How, have I been manipulated?

No, nothing you've said has ever been funny.

By listening to Trump...that's how. Ah, I disagree I think I have said some pretty funny sh it. HAHAHAHAHA

Leanne778
02-24-2021, 09:26 PM
It's easy to see who on this thread are in lock-step with Biden and his anti-God terrorism...


Soul-less Joe and his voters, now in control of the White House, who reject that God is the 'all powerful,' 'perfect and just' Creator, seem to forget that without God nothing—including them—exists

Joe Biden’s Trending ‘Anti-God Squad


https://canadafreepress.com/article/joe-bidens-trending-anti-god-squad

Thanks to Christian Post, a new post-election survey exposes what should be called ‘Joe Biden’s anti-God squad’.
“A new post-election survey reveals that a majority of those who voted for President Joe Biden don’t believe “God is the all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect and just creator” who rules over everything in Heaven and Earth today. (Christian Post (https://www.christianpost.com/news/63-of-biden-voters-reject-that-god-is-perfect-and-just-creator-survey.html), Feb. 23, 2021)


A survey? WTF? Joe has got more religion and faith in God than you have in your little pinky. OMG

carolina73
02-24-2021, 09:53 PM
Candidate Trump became popular because he represented what half of America was thinking. President Trump did not change the thoughts of the people that supported him.
Most of us supported the Tea Party and are tired of leftists leeches on society.

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 09:54 PM
You guys should be more respectful to the man who gave Nelson Mandela both kidneys while saving the Pope from a horde of viking berserkers during an earthquake. He then had a sandwich and cured cancer.

That's nothing. I emptied my dishwasher tonight , ole sport !

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:08 PM
By listening to Trump...that's how. Ah, I disagree I think I have said some pretty funny sh it. HAHAHAHAHA


In what way, am I listening to Trump? About what, exactly?

If it's the voter fraud thing, I don't need anyone to tell me it occurred, all I have to do is look at/listen to joe and, its quite obvious that no one in their right mind, would vote for that.

No. You've never said anything even resembling funny.

Leanne778
02-24-2021, 10:11 PM
In what way, am I listening to Trump? About what, exactly?

If it's the voter fraud thing, I don't need anyone to tell me it occurred, all I have to do is look at/listen to joe and, its quite obvious that no one in their right mind, would vote for that.

No. You've never said anything even resembling funny.
Well hate to burst your bubble but 80M people voted for Joe. So are you saying 80M people are not in their right mind?

Retirednsmilin308
02-24-2021, 10:12 PM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created! [QUOTE]



It is sad to see the person i used to know as @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) devolve into the creature I am seeing today.
Your anger turned into an obsession. That obsession then turned into something dark where no light shines.
Now it seems to guide your every thought and action.

This will be my last communication to you. I have no idea who you are now and what you have become, but I do know I do not want to be around it in any way.

Concentrated dark hatred has swallowed you alive and consumed you completely. It is all you are now.

I am sad you allowed this to happen to you. I want no part of it.

After this post I will have to perform some spiritual healing to ensure what you carry around with you never touches me again.

Sybil Ludington
02-24-2021, 10:15 PM
Thanks to Christian Post, a new post-election survey exposes what should be called ‘Joe Biden’s anti-God squad’.
“A new post-election survey reveals that a majority of those who voted for President Joe Biden don’t believe “God is the all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect and just creator” who rules over everything in Heaven and Earth today. (Christian Post (https://www.christianpost.com/news/63-of-biden-voters-reject-that-god-is-perfect-and-just-creator-survey.html), Feb. 23, 2021)


A survey? WTF? Joe has got more religion and faith in God than you have in your little pinky. OMG


Blow it out your butt! Besides being a pedophile, all kinds of priests and bishops deny him as a good/devout Catholic.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-coast-priest-called-biden-an-embarrassment-to-catholicism-did-he-break-irs-rules/ar-BB1afuzq

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/17/leading-archbishop-pro-abortion-joe-biden-should-stop-calling-himself-a-devout-catholic/

https://www.lifenews.com/2020/11/24/catholic-priest-joe-biden-is-not-a-good-catholic-at-all-because-hes-a-radical-pro-abortionist/

https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2020/10/29/priest-you-cannot-be-catholic-and-vote-for-biden-period

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/10/06/cardinal-says-biden-not-a-catholic-in-good-standing-should-not-receive-communion/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/29/joe-biden-denied-communion/2494025001/

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/hedgerow/2020/10/priest-denounces-biden-and-harris-offers-5-things-every-roman-catholic-should-know-about-catholic-biden-video/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bishops-go-to-war-over-biden-as-second-catholic-president-splits-the-church

https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article236768093.html

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-priests-denounce-catholics-for-biden-as-scam-no-catholic-can-vote-for-biden

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/catholic-priest-biden-has-not-repented-his-pro-abortion-policies-he-cannot

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-faith-ads-cardinal-not-a-catholic-in-good-standing

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/catholic-priest-says-joe-biden-not-receive-communion-supports-abortion

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-08-27-the-very-long-list-of-the-many-times-joe-bidens-been-caught-in-major-lies/

https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager/2020/10/24/to-help-the-factcheckers-here-is-a-list-of-lies-from-joe-bidens-debate-performance-n2578684

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-damned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden

https://shaunking.substack.com/p/2-truths-and-31-lies-joe-biden-has

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/15/the-worst-lying-bully-in-the-2020-presidential-race-is-joe-biden/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/30/joe-biden-is-a-pathological-liar/

https://conservativedailypost.com/six-major-life-events-joe-biden-lied-about/

https://www.darkdox.com/ashley-biden-journal-proves-joe-biden-is-a-pedophile/
https://defconnews.com/2021/02/18/cnn-suggests-that-joe-biden-is-a-pedophile/

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103734/Contents/Epstein-victim-says-she-was-sex-trafficked-to-Joe-Biden-John-Mc-135669625/

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:18 PM
Well hate to burst your bubble but 80M people voted for Joe. So are you saying 80M people are not in their right mind?


80 million people did not vote for joe, and yes, the few that actually did, must have some kind of mental disorder.

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:20 PM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created! [QUOTE]



It is sad to see the creature i used to know as Leanne778 devolve into what I am seeing today.


This is all I've ever seen.....Trump did it to her.

Retirednsmilin308
02-24-2021, 10:32 PM
[QUOTE=Retirednsmilin308;3192068][QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!


This is all I've ever seen.....Trump did it to her.


I took a vow after today to not speak of her or to her again. She is in a very dark place.

...besides that, it is also against the rules.

Can I say I lost her, but gained a new friend in you ?

I would be so honored if you said yes..

Dave

Abby08
02-24-2021, 10:35 PM
[QUOTE=Abby08;3192085][QUOTE=Retirednsmilin308;3192068]


I took a vow after today to not speak of her or to her again. She is in a very dark place.

...besides that, it is also against the rules.

Can I say I lost her, but gained a new friend in you ?

I would be so honored if you said yes..

Dave


Well sure, Dave!

Retirednsmilin308
02-24-2021, 10:40 PM
[QUOTE=Retirednsmilin308;3192093][QUOTE=Abby08;3192085]


Well sure, Dave!


I thank you very much. You will find I hold friendship highly and it does not matter if it is on-line or off. A friend is still a friend. Computer or no computer.
That is how I roll.

The Booman
02-24-2021, 10:54 PM
That's nothing. I emptied my dishwasher tonight , ole sport !
You domesticated thrill seeker!

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 10:56 PM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created! [QUOTE]



It is sad to see the person i used to know as @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) devolve into the creature I am seeing today.
Your anger turned into an obsession. That obsession then turned into something dark where no light shines.
Now it seems to guide your every thought and action.

This will be my last communication to you. I have no idea who you are now and what you have become, but I do know I do not want to be around it in any way.

Concentrated dark hatred has swallowed you alive and consumed you completely. It is all you are now.

I am sad you allowed this to happen to you. I want no part of it.

After this post I will have to perform some spiritual healing to ensure what you carry around with you never touches me again.

I didn't know you wrote country music :)

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 10:58 PM
You domesticated thrill seeker!

Yes indeed. On weekends I go all in on my housekeeping.

Sometimes I even sweep up the broken glass :)

The Booman
02-24-2021, 11:07 PM
Yes indeed. On weekends I go all in on my housekeeping. Sometimes I even sweep up the broken glass :) Martha Stewart meets Larry, Darryl and Darryl

Abby08
02-24-2021, 11:11 PM
Martha Stewart meets Darryl, Darryl and the other brother Darryl.


It's, Larry, Darryl and Darryl.

The Booman
02-24-2021, 11:13 PM
It's, Larry, Darryl and Darryl.

I knew that!

The Booman
02-24-2021, 11:15 PM
Fine. I fixed it!

carolina73
02-24-2021, 11:16 PM
Biden invented God,
Biden invented Obama?

carolina73
02-24-2021, 11:18 PM
That's nothing. I emptied my dishwasher tonight , ole sport !
What was her name?

Abby08
02-24-2021, 11:20 PM
Fine. I fixed it!


Yeah.....that's more like it! LOL

Omar
02-24-2021, 11:25 PM
I think you here Trump voters here disagree quite often on everything from religion to foreign policy.
I see the leftists here almost entirely acting in unison. Almost as if they were communicating outside the forum to get their stories straight.
If the left stopped the nonsense of orange man bad then you would hear more criticism from the right about some of Trump's policy. But the Democrat question here are usually emotional instead of policy.
Conservatives have been around far longer than Trump, if you even want to consider Trump a conservative. Most Republicans are aware of Trump's flaws, but he was still preferable to the left's authoritarian drive to remove our rights and turn the country over to the elites. Conservatives value individuality and people as individuals, which is why we don't blindly follow leaders. I at least do not blindly follow him, although I recognize he did a lot of good, not the least of which was bringing the populist message to the Republican party.

Well hate to burst your bubble but 80M people voted for Joe. So are you saying 80M people are not in their right mind?
74 million voted for Trump, but the left seems to have no problem dismissing them all as traitors, hillbillies, and white supremacists.

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 11:39 PM
What was her name?

Lol. ::grin:

Cotton1
02-24-2021, 11:41 PM
Biden invented Obama?

No. Obama is the love child of Maxine Waters and David Duke

stjames1_53
02-25-2021, 06:28 AM
This question demonstrates how dumbed down school is in the US.

And it is part of the plan towards authoritarianism.

Can any intelligent person tell me that they hear the word federalism and go blank?

Any support for Jet?
His liberal educators has his back.................

stjames1_53
02-25-2021, 06:30 AM
No, people don’t believe you; you’re full of it.

Why not run a poll in here and see which of you is more believable?
or are you to afraid of the way it would turn out..........

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 07:39 AM
80 million people did not vote for joe, and yes, the few that actually did, must have some kind of mental disorder.
:rofl: Yeah okay Abby - Joe Biden voters have some kind of mental disorder. Pffft. Yes 80 million people did vote for Joe. Wonder what they would say if you said they had a mental disorder because they voted for Joe. LOL

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 07:40 AM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created! [QUOTE]



It is sad to see the person i used to know as @Leanne778 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3475) devolve into the creature I am seeing today.
Your anger turned into an obsession. That obsession then turned into something dark where no light shines.
Now it seems to guide your every thought and action.

This will be my last communication to you. I have no idea who you are now and what you have become, but I do know I do not want to be around it in any way.

Concentrated dark hatred has swallowed you alive and consumed you completely. It is all you are now.

I am sad you allowed this to happen to you. I want no part of it.

After this post I will have to perform some spiritual healing to ensure what you carry around with you never touches me again.

That is fine.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 07:45 AM
:rofl: Yeah okay Abby - Joe Biden voters have some kind of mental disorder. Pffft. Yes 80 million people did vote for Joe. Wonder what they would say if you said they had a mental disorder because they voted for Joe. LOL


So explain to us......if Trump got 74 million votes, and there were 59 million left, how did Biden get 81 million votes?

stjames1_53
02-25-2021, 07:46 AM
So explain to us......if Trump got 74 million votes, and there were 59 million left, how did Biden get 81 million votes?

such things as simple math is beyond her ability.
for her, 2+2 equals anything but 4

FindersKeepers
02-25-2021, 08:38 AM
:rofl: Yeah okay Abby - Joe Biden voters have some kind of mental disorder. Pffft. Yes 80 million people did vote for Joe. Wonder what they would say if you said they had a mental disorder because they voted for Joe. LOL


I kind of doubt that many voted for him, but for argument's sake, let's just say you're correct.

I don't think they have a mental disorder, but I do think they're easily swayed by conspiracies and I also think they're the type of people who are suspect to caving under peer-pressure.

It doesn't mean they're bad folks--not by a long shot--but they're just not the most analytical folks around.

donttread
02-25-2021, 09:00 AM
So, you want federalism, but don't know what it is...



google it as it is something you should know.

donttread
02-25-2021, 09:04 AM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia]Amy Klobuchar recently


It wasn't Trump it's been going on for a long time. Especially in states where 1% of the geographic areas rules the state. Megacities are so different from rural areas that the expectations form government are very, very different as is the amount of liberty the residents are willing to trade for faux security. Couple that with the cesspool some of these cities are "Divide NY" has been born.
For example we hillbillies are supposed to be the racist who don't care about the poor but the largest concentrations of toxic poverty and poor blacks exist on the watch of the WOKE super urban areas.

Abby08
02-25-2021, 09:48 AM
So explain to us......if Trump got 74 million votes, and there were 59 million left, how did Biden get 81 million votes?


Don't confuse her, the biased medias and, the people who helped commit voter fraud, say it's 81 million, so it has to be!

Don't try to apply logic!

Abby08
02-25-2021, 09:50 AM
I kind of doubt that many voted for him, but for argument's sake, let's just say you're correct.

I don't think they have a mental disorder, but I do think they're easily swayed by conspiracies and I also think they're the type of people who are suspect to caving under peer-pressure.

It doesn't mean they're bad folks--not by a long shot--but they're just not the most analytical folks around.


You're much too kind, to a person who does nothing but hurl insults at those who don't agree with her.

jet57
02-25-2021, 10:09 AM
google it as it is something you should know.

(chuckle)

I know exactly what it is, but I’m trying to get Peter et al who are pushing it to explain themselves.

DGUtley
02-25-2021, 10:13 AM
(chuckle) I know exactly what it is, but I’m trying to get Peter er al who are pushing it to explain themselves.

Hey chuckles -- it is "et al." Et al. comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and others.” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see et al as well. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/et%20al.

If you are going to be snarky, at least have the common decency to be accurate about it.

Chris
02-25-2021, 10:15 AM
(chuckle)

I know exactly what it is, but I’m trying to get Peter er al who are pushing it to explain themselves.

No, you do not understand it.

Cotton1
02-25-2021, 10:39 AM
Hey chuckles -- it is "et al." Et al. comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and others.” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see et al as well. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/et%20al.

If you are going to be snarky, at least have the common decency to be accurate about it.

"Chuckles" :rofl:

DGUtley
02-25-2021, 10:40 AM
"Chuckles" :rofl:

Maybe it was a treatise?

Chris
02-25-2021, 10:44 AM
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Calypso Jones
02-25-2021, 12:40 PM
It wasn't President Trump that divided this nation...it was the left. What the President did was to show the left that we all knew they were anti-america. He stood in the way of their power hungry money grubbing activities...both sides. Now he's out of office and the left has the rest of us to deal with...and we were the target all along.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 12:55 PM
It wasn't President Trump that divided this nation...it was the left. What the President did was to show the left that we all knew they were anti-america. He stood in the way of their power hungry money grubbing activities...both sides. Now he's out of office and the left has the rest of us to deal with...and we were the target all along.
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donttread
02-25-2021, 01:02 PM
:rofl: Yeah okay Abby - Joe Biden voters have some kind of mental disorder. Pffft. Yes 80 million people did vote for Joe. Wonder what they would say if you said they had a mental disorder because they voted for Joe. LOL



No they didn't check out the math and stats on it. Joe Biden getting 48 or so percent of in person votes in purple sates and then 76-78 % of the mail in votes in a purple state where 40% of the mail in votes were seniors. That defies logic, although right after the election I attempted to compare Biden's mail in percentage in NYS and other blue states to that unbelievable number. that info oddly wasn't available. I also wonder how his record shattering mail in vote preformance among ballots mailed to old addresses compared with how he did in states where the only logical choice was made and Absentee ballots were utilized.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 01:07 PM
No they didn't check out the math and stats on it. Joe Biden getting 48 or so percent of in person votes in purple sates and then 76-78 % of the mail in votes in a purple state where 40% of the mail in votes were seniors. That defies logic, although right after the election I attempted to compare Biden's mail in percentage in NYS and other blue states to that unbelievable number. that info oddly wasn't available. I also wonder how his record shattering mail in vote preformance among ballots mailed to old addresses compared with how he did in states where the only logical choice was made and Absentee ballots were utilized.


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Peter1469
02-25-2021, 01:27 PM
It wasn't President Trump that divided this nation...it was the left. What the President did was to show the left that we all knew they were anti-america. He stood in the way of their power hungry money grubbing activities...both sides. Now he's out of office and the left has the rest of us to deal with...and we were the target all along.
More so he was attacking the Establishment (the left is firmly entrenched in the Establishment.)

jet57
02-25-2021, 01:27 PM
1. Follow the Constitution including its principle of federalism.

2. Regulations: review them and remove the overly onerous ones, the ones that favor big business over small business (or create separate regulations for each). Ensure regulations that remain make sense and achieve their stated goals.

Well, the principles of federalism are followed as expressed in the 10th Amendment. I would suggest that red states that don't want to be on the federal hook just stop taking federal money. Southern red states for instance have higher poverty rates than anywhere in the country and take more federal money than any other states, so how can they, like you, advocate for more state powers? What more powers do states need?

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 01:28 PM
Well, the principles of federalism are followed as expressed in the 10th Amendment. I would suggest that red states that don't want to be on the federal hook just stop taking federal money. Southern red states for instance have higher poverty rates than anywhere in the country and take more federal money than any other states, so how can they, like you, advocate for more state powers? What more powers do states need?
Look at Art. 1, sec. 8, and see the handy list of Federal powers. States do everything else.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 01:32 PM
Look at Art. 1, sec. 8, and see the handy list of Federal powers. States do everything else.

OH Peter, Peter, Peter.....you're actually expecting him to read AND comprehend?????

jet57
02-25-2021, 01:32 PM
Look at Art. 1, sec. 8, and see the handy list of Federal powers. States do everything else.

I've seen all that. What powers are the states missing?

DGUtley
02-25-2021, 01:35 PM
Well, the principles of federalism are followed as expressed in the 10th Amendment. I would suggest that red states that don't want to be on the federal hook just stop taking federal money. Southern red states for instance have higher poverty rates than anywhere in the country and take more federal money than any other states, so how can they, like you, advocate for more state powers? What more powers do states need?


What more powers do states need?

Off hand - for one - the power to prevent the federal government from dumping refugees or immigrants on them.
For two - how about the power to restrict information gathering on a state's citizens?

Chris
02-25-2021, 01:54 PM
I take an older view of federalism. Today it has to do with states and their powers or rights as states. In earlier times it meant the states's power to stand as intermediaries between the federal government and defend the rights of their respective citizens.

jet57
02-25-2021, 02:01 PM
Look at Art. 1, sec. 8, and see the handy list of Federal powers. States do everything else.

So you don;t know. As usual you've not idea what the hell you're talking about.

jet57
02-25-2021, 02:07 PM
I take an older view of federalism. Today it has to do with states and their powers or rights as states. In earlier times it meant the states's power to stand as intermediaries between the federal government and defend the rights of their respective citizens.
It wasn't about protecting citizens as much as it was trying to avoid what the anti federalists saw as an Anglicization of a central government. EVERYTHING was compared to the English crown. The states, for all intents and purposes, inherited the powers of the earls in Magna Carta.
The difference was that the federal government help powers of absolutism and the citizens / interests of each state were represented in congress which held the ultimate power. So I still don't know what the problem is. If you don't want federal influence, stop taking federal money.

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 02:09 PM
lol

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 02:11 PM
I take an older view of federalism. Today it has to do with states and their powers or rights as states. In earlier times it meant the states's power to stand as intermediaries between the federal government and defend the rights of their respective citizens.
Essentially the States gave power to the federal government. Specific power which is enumerated in Art.1 sec. 8. The states keep the rest.

Chris
02-25-2021, 02:11 PM
It wasn't about protecting citizens as much as it was trying to avoid what the anti federalists saw as an Anglicization of a central government. EVERYTHING was compared to the English crown. The states, for all intents and purposes, inherited the powers of the earls in Magna Carta.
The difference was that the federal government help powers of absolutism and the citizens / interests of each state were represented in congress which held the ultimate power. So I still don't know what the problem is. If you don't want federal influence, stop taking federal money.

Read the southern orders of succession for that is exactly what they claim their place was, intermediaries to protect the rights of their citizens from violations by the federal government.

The states took the place of the nobility in Medeival Europe who stood as intermediaries between the monarch and the people as argued by Montesquieu.

You're just offering your personal opinion about federalism, and as I said early, you don't really understand it the way the founders did.

Calypso Jones
02-25-2021, 02:13 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -

A moral, ethical congress and senate. Term limited. Reduction in pay. It should not be a career. Serving this country is a privilege. Keep your day job. No other privileges associated with the office. NO insider information for personal gain.

Calypso Jones
02-25-2021, 02:15 PM
Defunding government schools. I don't think our founding fathers ever considered the government to be the educators of our children. Schooling is the responsibility of parents. Let them choose the school and the type of schooling they want for their children. Our early congress paid for bibles to be given out to the public and especially school children. Look it up. See Monumental, the film.

Calypso Jones
02-25-2021, 02:16 PM
A respect for life. The unborn and the elderly. The unborn ARE the future and they need moral ethical education. The elderly because our young can learn from their experience and knowledge.

Chris
02-25-2021, 02:19 PM
Essentially the States gave power to the federal government. Specific power which is enumerated in Art.1 sec. 8. The states keep the rest.

True, but, I believe, the states ratified as representatives of the people.

To the states or the people as Amendment 10 clarifies. And it was we the people who granted those powers as stated in the Preamble.

I think in time it has come to mean the rights and powers of the states as such.

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 02:27 PM
True, but, I believe, the states ratified as representatives of the people.

To the states or the people as Amendment 10 clarifies. And it was we the people who granted those powers as stated in the Preamble.

I think in time it has come to mean the rights and powers of the states as such.
Yes.

Calypso Jones
02-25-2021, 02:53 PM
NO open borders. It is a privilege to be a citizen of this country. Every other nation, and ancient nations in the bible and in secular history, protected their borders. Why can't we?

America for Americans...and I include those immigrant peoples of all colors who do it legally and WANT to be American because they love this country, freedom and opportunity.

donttread
02-25-2021, 04:31 PM
More so he was attacking the Establishment (the left is firmly entrenched in the Establishment.)


He became president without owing his soul to the beltway insider club. For that he AND his supporters must be punished.

donttread
02-25-2021, 04:34 PM
NO open borders. It is a privilege to be a citizen of this country. Every other nation, and ancient nations in the bible and in secular history, protected their borders. Why can't we?

America for Americans...and I include those immigrant peoples of all colors who do it legally and WANT to be American because they love this country, freedom and opportunity.


But, but , but the donkephant likes immigration just as it is, distraction, votes, polarization, depressed labor markets. What's not to love?

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 04:35 PM
He became president without owing his soul to the beltway insider club. For that he AND his supporters must be punished.

During his time in office, his net worth went down by almost half. Partially, because he donated every month's salary to a cause instead of putting it in his pocket.

jet57
02-25-2021, 04:56 PM
Read the southern orders of succession for that is exactly what they claim their place was, intermediaries to protect the rights of their citizens from violations by the federal government.

The states took the place of the nobility in Medeival Europe who stood as intermediaries between the monarch and the people as argued by Montesquieu.

You're just offering your personal opinion about federalism, and as I said early, you don't really understand it the way the founders did.

What Montesquie advocated was found in Magna Carta. Parliament, like congress became the intermediary for the estates, and I will stand on my opinion of federalism as a good interpretation; you nor anyone else have offered anything at all.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 05:01 PM
What Montesquie advocated was found in Magna Carta. Parliament, like congress became the intermediary for the estates, and I will stand on my opinion of federalism as a good interpretation; you nor anyone else have offered anything at all.
You mean they haven't offered anything YOU like.

Chris
02-25-2021, 05:16 PM
What Montesquie advocated was found in Magna Carta. Parliament, like congress became the intermediary for the estates, and I will stand on my opinion of federalism as a good interpretation; you nor anyone else have offered anything at all.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

jet57
02-25-2021, 05:20 PM
Thanks for agreeing with me.

I already told you that Magna Carta paved the way. You still haven't said what there is in federalism today that is missing. We ARE operating on that theory through the 10th Amendment. So what's missing?

Chris
02-25-2021, 05:28 PM
I already told you tat Magna Carta paved the way. You still haven't said what there is in federalism today that is missing. We ARE operating on that theory through the 10th Amendment. So what's missing?

I'd already made the point about federalism that states once stood as intermediaries the way nobility did in monarchies during the Middle Ages.

You will note the use of past tense, and how in discussion with Peter, it was clarified that that older meaning of federalism has been lost over time.

Federalism lost heavily with the Civil War. It lost out again with the 17th amendment. There is movement afoot to weaken it further by eliminating the electoral college. And, generally, the federal government has assumed powers not specifically delegated to it by the people.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 05:53 PM
[QUOTE=Leanne778;3191224]This is not what our country is about. Breaking it up into different countries? What? This all started with Trump. He divided this nation and now we must try to get along as we have always done during any type of situation. We need to fix the damage HE created!

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia]Amy Klobuchar recently


It wasn't Trump it's been going on for a long time. Especially in states where 1% of the geographic areas rules the state. Megacities are so different from rural areas that the expectations form government are very, very different as is the amount of liberty the residents are willing to trade for faux security. Couple that with the cesspool some of these cities are "Divide NY" has been born.
For example we hillbillies are supposed to be the racist who don't care about the poor but the largest concentrations of toxic poverty and poor blacks exist on the watch of the WOKE super urban areas.
If it was started a long time ago, and that is your opinion, it only took Trump 4 years to destroy it.

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 05:54 PM
He became president without owing his soul to the beltway insider club. For that he AND his supporters must be punished.
Fact.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 05:56 PM
It wasn't President Trump that divided this nation...it was the left. What the President did was to show the left that we all knew they were anti-america. He stood in the way of their power hungry money grubbing activities...both sides. Now he's out of office and the left has the rest of us to deal with...and we were the target all along.
Are you freaking kidding me? If anything, it's the republicans that are anti-american. What he showed us was what a sneaky, corrupt liar he is. That is what he showed us. Ahem, he was part of the power hungry money grubbing activities of what you speak of.

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 05:57 PM
Delusional.


Are you freaking kidding me? If anything, it's the republicans that are anti-american. What he showed us was what a sneaky, corrupt liar he is. That is what he showed us. Ahem, he was part of the power hungry money grubbing activities of what you speak of.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 06:00 PM
No they didn't check out the math and stats on it. Joe Biden getting 48 or so percent of in person votes in purple sates and then 76-78 % of the mail in votes in a purple state where 40% of the mail in votes were seniors. That defies logic, although right after the election I attempted to compare Biden's mail in percentage in NYS and other blue states to that unbelievable number. that info oddly wasn't available. I also wonder how his record shattering mail in vote preformance among ballots mailed to old addresses compared with how he did in states where the only logical choice was made and Absentee ballots were utilized.

Biden has not only won, he’s done so in historic fashion, now reaching a record 80 million votes (https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker?), with still more to count. That is more than 10 million more votes than the previous popular-vote record-setting winner, Barack Obama, who secured 69 million votes in his victory over John McCain in 2008. Donald Trump (https://www.rollingstone.com/t/donald-trump/), we can recognize, also sparked record-setting turnout for a loser, with nearly 74 million votes. But lose he did — now by more than 6 million votes — or greater than the popular vote deficit suffered by Mitt Romney, who conceded to the victorious Barack Obama on election night in 2012. At 51 percent, Biden’s share of the vote is the highest of any presidential challenger since FDR ousted Herbert Hoover in 1932 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/daily-202-biden-won-with-weakest-coattails-60-years-that-could-make-him-dependent-gop-senators/).
Joe Biden Has 80 Million Votes -- Amounting to a Landslide Victory - Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/landslide-80-million-votes-biden-trump-1092217/)

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 06:00 PM
OH Peter, Peter, Peter.....you're actually expecting him to read AND comprehend?????

Eh, trying to twist it around are we?

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 06:01 PM
Stupid people amuse me.

Sometimes.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 06:09 PM
During his time in office, his net worth went down by almost half. Partially, because he donated every month's salary to a cause instead of putting it in his pocket.
Oh bullsh it. His businesses earned him plenty of money. Even his hotels are under investigation because of the foreign and domestic emoluments clause. Sure, stay at my hotel! It's perfect! Yeah right. You make it sound like poor Trump, he donated his salary and isn't making a penny. God, you are unreal man.

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 06:11 PM
Oh bullsh it. His businesses earned him plenty of money. Even his hotels are under investigation because of the foreign and domestic emoluments clause. Sure, stay at my hotel! It's perfect! Yeah right. You make it sound like poor Trump, he donated his salary and isn't making a penny. God, you are unreal man.
Those cases have been dismissed.

Keep up.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 06:20 PM
Those cases have been dismissed.

Keep up.
Doesn't matter - he still earned money.

CREW’s executive director. Noah Bookbinder, said in a statement on Monday that “this important litigation made the American people aware for four years of the pervasive corruption that came from a president maintaining a global business and taking benefits and payments from foreign and domestic governments.”

Peter1469
02-25-2021, 06:22 PM
So?


Doesn't matter - he still earned money.

CREW’s executive director. Noah Bookbinder, said in a statement on Monday that “this important litigation made the American people aware for four years of the pervasive corruption that came from a president maintaining a global business and taking benefits and payments from foreign and domestic governments.”

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 06:29 PM
Oh bullsh it. His businesses earned him plenty of money. Even his hotels are under investigation because of the foreign and domestic emoluments clause. Sure, stay at my hotel! It's perfect! Yeah right. You make it sound like poor Trump, he donated his salary and isn't making a penny. God, you are unreal man.

Provide the links that dispute what I said... AND the ones that CONFIRM your statements. You should know better than that by now.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 06:30 PM
Eh, trying to twist it around are we?

NOTHING was twisted.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 06:31 PM
Biden has not only won, he’s done so in historic fashion, now reaching a record 80 million votes (https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker?), with still more to count. That is more than 10 million more votes than the previous popular-vote record-setting winner, Barack Obama, who secured 69 million votes in his victory over John McCain in 2008. Donald Trump (https://www.rollingstone.com/t/donald-trump/), we can recognize, also sparked record-setting turnout for a loser, with nearly 74 million votes. But lose he did — now by more than 6 million votes — or greater than the popular vote deficit suffered by Mitt Romney, who conceded to the victorious Barack Obama on election night in 2012. At 51 percent, Biden’s share of the vote is the highest of any presidential challenger since FDR ousted Herbert Hoover in 1932 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/daily-202-biden-won-with-weakest-coattails-60-years-that-could-make-him-dependent-gop-senators/).
Joe Biden Has 80 Million Votes -- Amounting to a Landslide Victory - Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/landslide-80-million-votes-biden-trump-1092217/)

Rolling Stone?!?!
https://content.presentermedia.com/files/animsp/00022000/22397/monster_hysterically_laughing_md_wm_v2.gif

jet57
02-25-2021, 07:07 PM
I'd already made the point about federalism that states once stood as intermediaries the way nobility did in monarchies during the Middle Ages.

You will note the use of past tense, and how in discussion with Peter, it was clarified that that older meaning of federalism has been lost over time.

Federalism lost heavily with the Civil War. It lost out again with the 17th amendment. There is movement afoot to weaken it further by eliminating the electoral college. And, generally, the federal government has assumed powers not specifically delegated to it by the people.

There is only one meaning of federalism that has not changed. The Civil War was lost because federalism was taken over the top and certain states created their own version of federalism which was never at work in the US, nor will it ever be. States consistently rely on the federal government for all kinds of support, particularly in Red States and particularly money. The constitution never engineered federalism under it's true meaning but carried the 10th Amendment. The federal government was always seen as the executive power in the country, not as a sovereign but as a bond under which the states operated. Federal powers were only as limited as society saw fit. Both people and states over time have made more demands upon the federal government and as such the government has had to grow to meed those demands. Ronald Reagan grew the federal government and spending, mostly on the military.

This country is a fluid thing. Federalism is active, but not under a confederate guideline.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 07:09 PM
There is only one meaning of federalism that has not changed. The Civil War was lost because federalism was taken over the top and certain states created their own version of federalism which was never at work in the US, nor will it ever be. States consistently rely on the federal government for all kinds of support, particularly in Red States and particularly money. The constitution never engineered federalism under it's true meaning but carried the 10th Amendment. The federal government was always seen as the executive power in the country, not as a sovereign but as a bond under which the states operated. Federal powers were only as limited as society saw fit. Both people and states over time have made more demands upon the federal government and as such the government has had to grow to meed those demands. Ronald Reagan grew the federal government and spending, mostly on the military.

This country is a fluid thing. Federalism is active, but not under a confederate guideline.

Is that what your professor told you to say?

Captdon
02-25-2021, 07:18 PM
Well, the principles of federalism are followed as expressed in the 10th Amendment. I would suggest that red states that don't want to be on the federal hook just stop taking federal money. Southern red states for instance have higher poverty rates than anywhere in the country and take more federal money than any other states, so how can they, like you, advocate for more state powers? What more powers do states need?

The "red" states get money for federal programs. We didn't ask for them and don't want them. Repeal them all and we won't get any money from anyone else.

Captdon
02-25-2021, 07:21 PM
What Montesquie advocated was found in Magna Carta. Parliament, like congress became the intermediary for the estates, and I will stand on my opinion of federalism as a good interpretation; you nor anyone else have offered anything at all.

Estates? Your opinion of federalism is wrong.

Captdon
02-25-2021, 07:27 PM
Are you freaking kidding me? If anything, it's the republicans that are anti-american. What he showed us was what a sneaky, corrupt liar he is. That is what he showed us. Ahem, he was part of the power hungry money grubbing activities of what you speak of.

Democrats are traitors. They want to make America another Third World economy run by the elites for aliens.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 07:31 PM
Are you freaking kidding me? If anything, it's the republicans that are anti-american. What he showed us was what a sneaky, corrupt liar he is. That is what he showed us. Ahem, he was part of the power hungry money grubbing activities of what you speak of.
Show us a list of 20 lies he told, AND provide the link with them.

Captdon
02-25-2021, 07:31 PM
There is only one meaning of federalism that has not changed. The Civil War was lost because federalism was taken over the top and certain states created their own version of federalism which was never at work in the US, nor will it ever be. States consistently rely on the federal government for all kinds of support, particularly in Red States and particularly money. The constitution never engineered federalism under it's true meaning but carried the 10th Amendment. The federal government was always seen as the executive power in the country, not as a sovereign but as a bond under which the states operated. Federal powers were only as limited as society saw fit. Both people and states over time have made more demands upon the federal government and as such the government has had to grow to meed those demands. Ronald Reagan grew the federal government and spending, mostly on the military.

This country is a fluid thing. Federalism is active, but not under a confederate guideline.

Oh, God. The confederate thing again.

Chris
02-25-2021, 07:37 PM
There is only one meaning of federalism that has not changed. The Civil War was lost because federalism was taken over the top and certain states created their own version of federalism which was never at work in the US, nor will it ever be. States consistently rely on the federal government for all kinds of support, particularly in Red States and particularly money. The constitution never engineered federalism under it's true meaning but carried the 10th Amendment. The federal government was always seen as the executive power in the country, not as a sovereign but as a bond under which the states operated. Federal powers were only as limited as society saw fit. Both people and states over time have made more demands upon the federal government and as such the government has had to grow to meed those demands. Ronald Reagan grew the federal government and spending, mostly on the military.

This country is a fluid thing. Federalism is active, but not under a confederate guideline.



The Civil War was lost because federalism was taken over the top and certain states created their own version of federalism which was never at work in the US, nor will it ever be.

Completely false and fabricated. Read the southern orders/ordinances of secession. In them, they appeal to the original sense of federalism, one that had been argued in Congress from the revolution on.


States consistently rely on the federal government for all kinds of support, particularly in Red States and particularly money.

This is what I meant when I said you do not understand federalism. Reliance on the federal government is not against federalism. This demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about. Makes sense given your progressivism.


The constitution never engineered federalism under it's true meaning but carried the 10th Amendment.

That there's a self-contradictory statement. Even on your misunderstanding of federalism, you say the Constitution did not implement federalism but it did. Rather the enumerated powers and the 10th together preserve already existing federalism.
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Moving from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution, with its giving up to the federal government certain powers, was the first loss of federalism.


The federal government was always seen as the executive power in the country, not as a sovereign but as a bond under which the states operated.

Here you reveal deep misunderstanding even of the Constitution and the balance of powers it framed, only one of which was the executive branch.


Both people and states over time have made more demands upon the federal government and as such the government has had to grow to meed those demands.

No, the three branches of government have overstepped their bounds.


This country is a fluid thing.

This pegs you as a Living Constitutionalist.


Federalism is active, but not under a confederate guideline.

No one claim the COnfederacy initiated federalism. The Articles of Confederation did that.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 09:04 PM
Provide the links that dispute what I said... AND the ones that CONFIRM your statements. You should know better than that by now.

Would it make a difference? hmmm? No it would'nt but here you go.
Trump still profits off property he owns (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/17/us/politics/trump-emoluments-money.html), including the Trump International Hotel in Washington and Trump Tower in New York. He also earns money from the rights to a U.K. television spinoff of "The Apprentice" and various properties in the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Scotland and the Philippines. So imprecise claims that Trump works for “no money” are not totally accurate.
Fact check: Donald Trump donates salary, but he still makes money (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/11/fact-check-donald-trump-donates-salary-but-he-still-makes-money/5410134002/)

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 09:07 PM
Would it make a difference? hmmm? No it would'nt but here you go.
Trump still profits off property he owns (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/17/us/politics/trump-emoluments-money.html), including the Trump International Hotel in Washington and Trump Tower in New York. He also earns money from the rights to a U.K. television spinoff of "The Apprentice" and various properties in the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Scotland and the Philippines. So imprecise claims that Trump works for “no money” are not totally accurate.
Fact check: Donald Trump donates salary, but he still makes money (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/11/fact-check-donald-trump-donates-salary-but-he-still-makes-money/5410134002/)


I knew you couldn't do it. I said 20, and these don't really attest to my request... I also notice you altered my comment.....that's against the rules. See?? The left always cheats and lies.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 09:21 PM
Rolling Stone?!?!
https://content.presentermedia.com/files/animsp/00022000/22397/monster_hysterically_laughing_md_wm_v2.gif

You really are a hypocrite man. The links you provide? Blogs, opinions and you call me out? You are really unbelievable.

Biden ended up with nearly 81.3 million votes.
PolitiFact | How Biden managed to win far more votes in 2020 than Obama did in 2008 — but far fewer counties (https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/15/how-biden-managed-win-far-more-votes-2020-obama-di/)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (CBS) — President-elect Joe Biden has now surpassed 80 million votes, the most in history, with the final ballots still being counted.
More votes were cast in the 2020 presidential election than in any other in U.S. history. While Mr. Biden and running mate Kamala Harris garnered a record-breaking total of at least 80,026,721 votes, President Donald Trump received the second-most votes of all time, with 73,890,295 as of Wednesday morning, November 25.
Biden’s votes amounted to 51 percent of the total, while Trump received 47.1 percent. In the all-important Electoral College, Biden secured 306 electoral votes to win the election, while Trump got 232.
Biden becomes first presidential candidate in U.S. history to surpass 80 million votes (abc27.com) (https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/election/biden-becomes-first-presidential-candidate-in-u-s-history-to-surpass-80-million-votes/)

President-elect Joe Biden’s winning tally is approaching a record 80 million votes as Democratic bastions continue to count ballots and the 2020 election cracks turnout records.
Biden approaches 80 million votes in historic victory (apnews.com) (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-elections-372af3b89bc1f5f0f6d7f8c80025a9b0)

There you go.....jeez.

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 09:27 PM
You really are a hypocrite man. The links you provide? Blogs, opinions and you call me out? You are really unbelievable.

Biden ended up with nearly 81.3 million votes.
PolitiFact | How Biden managed to win far more votes in 2020 than Obama did in 2008 — but far fewer counties (https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/15/how-biden-managed-win-far-more-votes-2020-obama-di/)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (CBS) — President-elect Joe Biden has now surpassed 80 million votes, the most in history, with the final ballots still being counted.
More votes were cast in the 2020 presidential election than in any other in U.S. history. While Mr. Biden and running mate Kamala Harris garnered a record-breaking total of at least 80,026,721 votes, President Donald Trump received the second-most votes of all time, with 73,890,295 as of Wednesday morning, November 25.
Biden’s votes amounted to 51 percent of the total, while Trump received 47.1 percent. In the all-important Electoral College, Biden secured 306 electoral votes to win the election, while Trump got 232.
Biden becomes first presidential candidate in U.S. history to surpass 80 million votes (abc27.com) (https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/election/biden-becomes-first-presidential-candidate-in-u-s-history-to-surpass-80-million-votes/)

President-elect Joe Biden’s winning tally is approaching a record 80 million votes as Democratic bastions continue to count ballots and the 2020 election cracks turnout records.
Biden approaches 80 million votes in historic victory (apnews.com) (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-elections-372af3b89bc1f5f0f6d7f8c80025a9b0)

There you go.....jeez.


Another lie? I don't do blogs.
Once again, proof by your hand.......you can't even count to 20

Sybil Ludington
02-25-2021, 09:29 PM
Another lie? I don't do blogs.
Once again, proof by your hand.......you can't even count to 20

PS: You can't even keep on point. These are supposed to be about Trump's lies you keep talking about, could it be you can't find anything that backs up your own lies?

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 09:44 PM
I knew you couldn't do it. I said 20, and these don't really attest to my request... I also notice you altered my comment.....that's against the rules. See?? The left always cheats and lies.

I didn't alter your comment. My link was in answer to your pitiful comment about widdle ole Twump donated his pay and doesn't receive a dime. My post and link was in answer to that to prove that he does make money off his businesses, alot of money and it was while he was president.

Leanne778
02-25-2021, 09:46 PM
PS: You can't even keep on point. These are supposed to be about Trump's lies you keep talking about, could it be you can't find anything that backs up your own lies?
I have posted it many times....I'm not doing it again. Even if I did, it wouldn't phase your denial mode or your ignorance.

Abby08
02-25-2021, 10:39 PM
I have posted it many times....I'm not doing it again. Even if I did, it wouldn't phase your denial mode or your ignorance.


For how many hours do you think biden was lucid today?

Did he use the word ni**er?

How long do you think, before they're announcing he's stepping down, "for health reasons"?

Leanne778
02-26-2021, 07:32 AM
How long? About as long as your messiah was in office.:rollseyes:

DGUtley
02-26-2021, 07:35 AM
I didn't alter your comment. My link was in answer to your pitiful comment about widdle ole Twump donated his pay and doesn't receive a dime. My post and link was in answer to that to prove that he does make money off his businesses, alot of money and it was while he was president.

Did he make a salary as President - or did he donate that? Asking for a friend.

Leanne778
02-26-2021, 07:42 AM
Did he make a salary as President - or did he donate that? Asking for a friend.

No he didn't. However, he made plenty off his businesses.

Peter1469
02-26-2021, 07:42 AM
Did he make a salary as President - or did he donate that? Asking for a friend.
They still can't wrap their heads around a businessman as president. They are butt hurt that people patronized his businesses.

midcan5
02-26-2021, 07:48 AM
Diversity makes us great, can one really imagine a country filled with M. T. Greenes? Or economics run by the likes of Trump? Come off it so called conservatives, you'd have a Russia or China or North Korea like America. Not a place you'd want to live. Freedom and diversity don't suit the narrow minded. Tough. Grow up and learn.

PS Texas is an example. A failure.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware

https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/97157-For-the-Readers-and-Thinkers


"The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman


This is an old quote not sure link will work, but you get the picture.

http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2011/05/27/why-the-gop-hates-the-national-science-foundation/

DGUtley
02-26-2021, 07:49 AM
No he didn't. However, he made plenty off his businesses.

He earned passive income off of his businesses, which he had put in a blind trust. You don't think he deserves an 'atta boy' for donating his salary? I mean - I get it, orange man bad and all that - but he did donate his salary.

donttread
02-26-2021, 08:30 AM
[QUOTE=donttread;3192320]
If it was started a long time ago, and that is your opinion, it only took Trump 4 years to destroy it.



He didn't destroy the move to divorce rural parts of states from mega cities , this movement is alive and well. Politicians in states like NY, Michigan, Illinosis can control the state by catering to a city. The results are obvious, massive poverty, people virtually trapped in inner cities high murder rates. The people who run our states are running us into the ground.
The real racist are clearly NOT trump supporters and hillbillies ( folks who actually believe blacks can make it on their own) The real racist are obviously the politicians that continuiously pretend to help the inner city with more of what has led to it's current state. The LBJ's who chased men out of black families for example. The condecending followers who by their action consistently show that they think blacks can only do it with their help! How many blacks out there are saying "screw you people we can get an ID and vote without your help!"
Another irony is that most of the libs who decry us live in the cities with so many blacks trapped in a perpetual criminality factory in THEIR cities! Again who's worse off country blacks? Suburban blacks? Or those in the inner sections of liberal run cities?
I've lived in a trailer park have you ever lived in the hood?

donttread
02-26-2021, 08:31 AM
During his time in office, his net worth went down by almost half. Partially, because he donated every month's salary to a cause instead of putting it in his pocket.



Meanwhile the Clinton's stole the china!

Chris
02-26-2021, 09:22 AM
Diversity makes us great, can one really imagine a country filled with M. T. Greenes? Or economics run by the likes of Trump? Come off it so called conservatives, you'd have a Russia or China or North Korea like America. Not a place you'd want to live. Freedom and diversity don't suit the narrow minded. Tough. Grow up and learn.

PS Texas is an example. A failure.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware

https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/97157-For-the-Readers-and-Thinkers


"The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman


This is an old quote not sure link will work, but you get the picture.

http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2011/05/27/why-the-gop-hates-the-national-science-foundation/


Diversity can be good when natural, or two cultures can clash, especially when forced together.

Texas is doing fine.

stjames1_53
02-26-2021, 10:15 AM
I'm still looking for the word "division" that has the same meaning as "unity" in the dictionary......
both are polar opposites.
doesn't exist.

Abby08
02-26-2021, 10:22 AM
How long? About as long as your messiah was in office.:rollseyes:


He was lucid for 4 years yesterday?

I know you think you're witty, but, you're not.

Abby08
02-26-2021, 10:25 AM
No he didn't. However, he made plenty off his businesses.


Why does that bother you?

Abby08
02-26-2021, 10:26 AM
He earned passive income off of his businesses, which he had put in a blind trust. You don't think he deserves an 'atta boy' for donating his salary? I mean - I get it, orange man bad and all that - but he did donate his salary.


They know that's a good thing, they just can never say the words.

DGUtley
02-26-2021, 10:34 AM
They know that's a good thing, they just can never say the words.

https://i.postimg.cc/v81z4sjK/2uql.gif

jet57
02-26-2021, 11:23 AM
Completely false and fabricated. Read the southern orders/ordinances of secession. In them, they appeal to the original sense of federalism, one that had been argued in Congress from the revolution on.

Wrong again. The confederacy was federalism taken to the inth degree. States rights were always an issue to avoid a completely centralized government. You that the confederacy appealed to the "original sense of federalism"; that's an assertion. So what IS the original sense of federalism? You're going to have to define that if you want your argument to appeal to credibility.


This is what I meant when I said you do not understand federalism. Reliance on the federal government is not against federalism. This demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about. Makes sense given your progressivism.

Reliance on the federal government for money is only paying homage to a centralized government. If red states were truly netter managed, they would be self reliant and leaders efficiency. But they're not are they? They take more money than blue states and repay less.

And there you go again with "you don't understand federalism"; define it! You obviously think you know what you're talking about there, but of course nobody else does. Stop alluding top it and define your term. And you can never prove me a progressive, so you can stop lying there and using it as an insult.




That there's a self-contradictory statement. Even on your misunderstanding of federalism, you say the Constitution did not implement federalism but it did. Rather the enumerated powers and the 10th together preserve already existing federalism.
\
Moving from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution, with its giving up to the federal government certain powers, was the first loss of federalism.
Federalism was instituted through the 10th amendment. The Articles of Confederation failed as they left national trade out and national commerce as well as national defense, etc etc.





Here you reveal deep misunderstanding even of the Constitution and the balance of powers it framed, only one of which was the executive branch.



No, the three branches of government have overstepped their bounds.



This pegs you as a Living Constitutionalist.



No one claim the COnfederacy initiated federalism. The Articles of Confederation did that.

The rest of your points are spurious at best.

1: The federal government STARTS with the executive branch, then the legislative and judiciary. Each branch carries the same weight.

2: Overstepped what bounds? Where are your examples? Assertions don't cut it.

3: The country (it's society)... is a fluid thing. I said nothing about the Constitution.

4: The confederacy took federalism to the inth degree: prove that wrong.

Sybil Ludington
02-26-2021, 11:40 AM
i didn't alter your comment. My link was in answer to your pitiful comment about widdle ole twump donated his pay and doesn't receive a dime. My post and link was in answer to that to prove that he does make money off his businesses, alot of money and it was while he was president.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Sybil Ludington
02-26-2021, 11:45 AM
How long? About as long as your messiah was in office.:rollseyes:
The only people who named him "messiah" was the hateful left, you know, people like YOU. WE did not do that.

Abby08
02-26-2021, 11:50 AM
The only people who named him "messiah" was the hateful left, you know, people like YOU. WE did not do that.


They're hypocrites. They had a messiah, Obama.

WE, had a damned good President, whom they cheated and, tried to ruin.

They'll all burn in hell for it, too.

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 11:52 AM
Okay, I ask if in your world there is religion in government? and mention the first amendment; vaguely and it looks like you're saying that religion should be discussed, meaning Christianity in public forums on public property: that's all I can get from a rather confused sentence on it.

You then try and refer to Washington's 1796 farewell address and insert this false facebook quote: It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Well Washington never said that. It's been shown to be false, so you pasted an amalgam that is disingenuous. Here's what Washington said in that address:



The sense of obligation, nothing more. And, apparently you like regulations

And then you try and quote Hannity, which could have come from anywhere.

You really have no idea what kind of government would exist in a conservative United States. And then you add this gem :"I realize a socialist dictator such as yourself would not understand a single word I have written." NOBODY can understand a single word you've written; it doesn't make any sense at all.
Only an idiot would say I said "Christianity" in my saying religion would be allowed. Are you an idiot? My Washington quote was a cut and paste. If it is fundamentally wrong blame those that claimed it was actually his words. However, I don't see that your restating his address says religion has no place in government.

Finally, my stand by my statement that you would not understand a single word of what I said.

What a frigging clown you are.

Sybil Ludington
02-26-2021, 12:09 PM
They're hypocrites. They had a messiah, Obama.

WE, had a damned good President, whom they cheated and, tried to ruin.

They'll all burn in hell for it, too.
I wish we didn't have to wait that long...

Chris
02-26-2021, 12:10 PM
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

You can't exclude.

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 12:14 PM
I'm the guy who makes monkeys out of you righties.
Now that is funny no matter who you are!!!

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 12:22 PM
Where did I say that?
The standard left wing response: "I never said that, you can't prove I said that, it was somebody else who said that"

I debated with myself about answering your question because I knew you weren't really interested in true discussion but rather in pretending you are the Wizard of Political Putdowns. I wish I had lost that argument with myself because it has been an unmitigated waste of time. You are too arrogant and have an undeserved belief of your intellectual prowess which is totally non existent

Mister D
02-26-2021, 12:30 PM
The standard left wing response: "I never said that, you can't prove I said that, it was somebody else who said that"

I debated with myself about answering your question because I knew you weren't really interested in true discussion but rather in pretending you are the Wizard of Political Putdowns. I wish I had lost that argument with myself because it has been an unmitigated waste of time. You are too arrogant and have an undeserved belief of your intellectual prowess which is totally non existent
Yep. He will never take responsibility for what he says. He's a waste of time. I just make fun of him at this point.

donttread
02-26-2021, 12:34 PM
Diversity makes us great, can one really imagine a country filled with M. T. Greenes? Or economics run by the likes of Trump? Come off it so called conservatives, you'd have a Russia or China or North Korea like America. Not a place you'd want to live. Freedom and diversity don't suit the narrow minded. Tough. Grow up and learn.

PS Texas is an example. A failure.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware

https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/97157-For-the-Readers-and-Thinkers


"The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman


This is an old quote not sure link will work, but you get the picture.

http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2011/05/27/why-the-gop-hates-the-national-science-foundation/


You do realize that most of what is broadcast about CC,systemic racism even transgenders is either disproven or unproven.? For example the concept of systemic racism in terms of death by cop has been disproven several times. The polar bears are just fine and crops love higher CO 2 levels. And most children ( according to some studies 80-90%) of children with gender identity issues revert to birth gender on their own and many don't even remember the phase.
None of that means that these topics don't present real issues, just that MSM lies and disorts and are the masters of half truths. That is why cancelling is necessary, because FACTS. Normally people actually WANT to make their case, nit pretend there is no other case.
I get what you are saying about research as I put it :"Studies show that studies show pretty much what the people funding the study want them to." But not all studies are created equal and a little review usually sorts them out. However to blast the other side's research you should actually have some of your own.

carolina73
02-26-2021, 12:36 PM
Jet, thinks he won an argument when others simply give up on his nonsense.

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 12:37 PM
A group of states that are independent:
Federal Government:
1) Common Defense
2) Serves as the arbiter between the states.
3) Coordinates the states so that people can move between states
4) The Federal Government would only tax for those reasons and nothing more. Not a dime would go to the states.
5) Interstate railroads, pipelines shared waterways would become the responsibility of the Federal Government in coordination with the states. No state or reservation can block required interstate transfer needs. We can make sure there is no exit or use of those services in their state if they wish.

That means no SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Education, FEMA....

Certainly those would need to exist as they were unwound and people were allowed to privatize their retirements under their states guidelines.

The Federal Government should never engage in any activities that were not 100% and equally for everyone. That means 0% redistribution.

The State:
1) The state would need to take up all issues as requested by its voters and finance the programs.
2) Religion would be a state issue.
The state would decide all of these issues base on their needs. States have different needs.

Your Federal taxes would drop significantly and your state taxes would increase. NY and CA would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts. MS and AL would have to balance their budgets and pay their debts.

For the record the Interstate Highway System (Originally National Defense Highway) was started by Eisenhower after seeing the highways in Germany. He couldn't build interstate highways as a Federal Project (only post roads are allowed by the Constitution) so he decided to get around that by claiming they were necessary for rapid deployment of troops in the event we were ever attacked, ergo a National Defense Highway.

Contrary to popular belief the Federal Government did not finance the construction of interstate railroads. The several states allowed charters for construction. The Federal government had millions of acres of land that they wanted to sell but had no viable transportation sources. So, they sold parcels of land at highly discounted rates to the railroad companies with the stipulation they would allow government freight to be moved at substantially reduced rates, so called Section 22 rates. The railroads paid by the government many times over with the government using Section 22 rates for troop movements, supplies, etc over the years. The government has no real constitutional authority to build highways or railroads or airports for that matter.

Cotton1
02-26-2021, 12:38 PM
The standard left wing response: "I never said that, you can't prove I said that, it was somebody else who said that"

I debated with myself about answering your question because I knew you weren't really interested in true discussion but rather in pretending you are the Wizard of Political Putdowns. I wish I had lost that argument with myself because it has been an unmitigated waste of time. You are too arrogant and have an undeserved belief of your intellectual prowess which is totally non existent


He has always been convinced everything and anything from the liberal media that he later parrots Is the truth , whole truth and nothing but the truth .

That's comical , indeed.

However, since Biden has been in office he acts like a guy who was backing down from a fight but got brave when his big brother showed up to save his ass, hence the posturing aka "arrogance" in his case

That's beyond comical , that's hilarious

carolina73
02-26-2021, 12:53 PM
For the record the Interstate Highway System (Originally National Defense Highway) was started by Eisenhower after seeing the highways in Germany. He couldn't build interstate highways as a Federal Project (only post roads are allowed by the Constitution) so he decided to get around that by claiming they were necessary for rapid deployment of troops in the event we were ever attacked, ergo a National Defense Highway.

Contrary to popular belief the Federal Government did not finance the construction of interstate railroads. The several states allowed charters for construction. The Federal government had millions of acres of land that they wanted to sell but had no viable transportation sources. So, they sold parcels of land at highly discounted rates to the railroad companies with the stipulation they would allow government freight to be moved at substantially reduced rates, so called Section 22 rates. The railroads paid by the government many times over with the government using Section 22 rates for troop movements, supplies, etc over the years. The government has no real constitutional authority to build highways or railroads or airports for that matter.
I get that but it interstate transportation really requires the Federal Government. Railroads, roads, pipelines... need to connect. You cannot have one state blocking projects that are for the good of the country. Governors will act politically and also to blackmail whoever is paying for the projects and essentially stop everything.

Chris
02-26-2021, 01:07 PM
Wrong again. The confederacy was federalism taken to the inth degree. States rights were always an issue to avoid a completely centralized government. You that the confederacy appealed to the "original sense of federalism"; that's an assertion. So what IS the original sense of federalism? You're going to have to define that if you want your argument to appeal to credibility.



Reliance on the federal government for money is only paying homage to a centralized government. If red states were truly netter managed, they would be self reliant and leaders efficiency. But they're not are they? They take more money than blue states and repay less.

And there you go again with "you don't understand federalism"; define it! You obviously think you know what you're talking about there, but of course nobody else does. Stop alluding top it and define your term. And you can never prove me a progressive, so you can stop lying there and using it as an insult.




Federalism was instituted through the 10th amendment. The Articles of Confederation failed as they left national trade out and national commerce as well as national defense, etc etc.






The rest of your points are spurious at best.

1: The federal government STARTS with the executive branch, then the legislative and judiciary. Each branch carries the same weight.

2: Overstepped what bounds? Where are your examples? Assertions don't cut it.

3: The country (it's society)... is a fluid thing. I said nothing about the Constitution.

4: The confederacy took federalism to the inth degree: prove that wrong.


Your arguments depend on vagaries of expression.


Wrong again. The confederacy was federalism taken to the inth degree.

Huh? I argued the Confederacy was an example of federalism. Context is not your strong suit.


States rights were always an issue to avoid a completely centralized government.

To incoherent to make sense of.


You that the confederacy appealed to the "original sense of federalism"; that's an assertion.

Incoherent but all you need do is read the ordinances of seccession. Hell, the very name Confederacy implies federalism as a form of government.


So what IS the original sense of federalism?

Already answered, the Articles of Confederation.

Once you get that, we can go on to the rest of your blathering nonsense.

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 01:29 PM
So you are an anti-federalist.

What?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????

It is quite obvious that you don't have a clue to the true meaning of Federalism. Just as you have changed the meanings of fascist, nazi and socialist you are attempting to change the meaning of federalism. This is the only way you win any argument, change the meaning of the words.

You need to be one of the first to go.

jet57
02-26-2021, 01:29 PM
Your arguments depend on vagaries of expression.



Huh? I argued the Confederacy was an example of federalism. Context is not your strong suit.



To incoherent to make sense of.



Incoherent but all you need do is read the ordinances of seccession. Hell, the very name Confederacy implies federalism as a form of government.



Already answered, the Articles of Confederation.

Once you get that, we can go on to the rest of your blathering nonsense.

Okay; you have no idea what you're talking about. You and D are two peas in a pod: you use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

You've earned a place on the mantle! along the bottom where i keep Sybil, Forrest and a couple of others: I will continue to debunk your BS and then just ignore you as you don't have the capacity for intelligent discussion.

Congratulations; you've earned it!

jet57
02-26-2021, 01:32 PM
Yep. He will never take responsibility for what he says. He's a waste of time. I just make fun of him at this point.

Alright wise guy, YOU go and find where I said that. Nobody else seems to be able to find it...

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 01:35 PM
If fauci told you to put a plastic bag over your head, would you do that too?

We can only hope!

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 01:47 PM
So explain to us......if Trump got 74 million votes, and there were 59 million left, how did Biden get 81 million votes?



Now you are acting like a white supremacist, demanding that 1 and 1 equals 2. It is racist, sexist, homophobic and whatthenewistphobic may be to demand that correct answer matter. Numbers mean what I want them to mean, neither more nor less.

Calypso Jones
02-26-2021, 01:52 PM
It seems to me that the OP whoever that was is not interested in knowing the politics of conservatives but rather of trolling.

Amiright?

Chris
02-26-2021, 01:59 PM
Okay; you have no idea what you're talking about. You and D are two peas in a pod: you use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

You've earned a place on the mantle! along the bottom where i keep Sybil, Forrest and a couple of others: I will continue to debunk your BS and then just ignore you as you don't have the capacity for intelligent discussion.

Congratulations; you've earned it!


Once again chuckles bows out.

Calypso Jones
02-26-2021, 02:22 PM
this is where modern liberalism errs… and partners with tyrants.


To accomplish its high and lofty goals, modern liberalism must use the government as its instrument of social change.


Lets look at healthcare as an example. If people don’t have access to healthcare, modern liberalism uses the government to make it so.


But in order to do that, it must tax some people to pay for the healthcare of others.


We are in essence, forcing someone to pay for another person’s medical bills. It is no different in principle than going door to door and holding people at gunpoint to make them pay for another person’s doctors visit.


We may like the idea of universal healthcare, but when we use the government to achieve it, we have violated the inherent rights of all people to do so.


We have legislated theft.


This is true for most of the political agenda for modern liberalism. To achieve its noble goals, it must become tyrannical in nature. It must decide that it has the right to people’s money and their lives… as long as it is for a good purpose.


In this type of government there are no safeguards.


The majority decides what rights the government can violate and to what end.


As long as enough people believe it is right, anything can become law.


What happens when a new majority takes power? One that believes you have no rights whatsoever? What if they decide where you work, when you work, and what happens with your money?


This may seem extreme, but this is the ideological foundation modern liberalism lays.


It opens the door to this kind of state control.


Surprisingly More Intolerant Than Tolerant…


And even though modern liberalism touts itself as the most tolerant worldview, by nature it is the least.


To illustrate my point, consider this…


Modern liberalism cannot tolerate the existence of a Libertarian community.


Whereas a libertarianism can tolerate the existence of a modern liberal community.


Remember, libertarianism believes that every person as the right to live their lives however they see fit. And the only moral grounds for government is the protection of those rights. Anything beyond that would be a violation of people’s divine rights as individuals.


In a libertarian world, if a group of modern liberals wanted to build a community that socialized healthcare and education, they could – so long as they didn’t force people to be a part of their system.


They could tax themselves heavily to build a robust and strong medical system. They could equalize education by funding it through tax dollars. They could do all the things modern liberals want to do.


And the greater libertarian community wouldn’t care. We would say, “Good for you! I hope it works well. Who knows, maybe I’ll want to join that system!”


But, a modern liberal community could not do the same.


The modern liberal worldview requires that everyone pay into the system. It needs everyone to participate for it to even function.


It doesn’t just want everyone to participate. It needs it.


If everyone isn’t a part of the system, the system can’t work (at least in theory). This is because wealthier people must pay more into the system so that the needier people have equal access.


If it was an “opt in system,” it wouldn’t work because there would be more need than supply. That is the nature of the system.


So, modern liberalism can’t have a group of people “opt out.” If some libertarians said, “No thanks, I want to be responsible for my own healthcare, education, retirement, etc…,” the liberal state couldn’t allow it.


Do you see how liberalism is secretly a very intolerant system? And similar to fascism? Fascism forces the people to obey the government, and the people cannot disagree with it.


In modern liberalism, people are forced to participate in the system – even if you disagree. Where as real liberalism (libertarianism) has no such requirements. As long as you don’t violate another person’s life, you can do whatever you want.


Noble Goals Achieved At Gunpoint Are Not Noble, They Are Wrong


In modern liberalism, good and noble social reforms are achieved at gunpoint.


Some people do not like that language. They think it is too strong. They say, “No, it isn’t by gun point. It is through taxes.”


But let me ask you this…


If I said, “No thank you, I want to pay for my own services. I want to take care of my own retirement (Social Security). I want to handle my own healthcare (ACA, Medicare, Medicaid). And I want to handle my own savings and job security (Unemployment, etc…), so I’m not going to pay those taxes,” what do you think would happen?


At some point the feds would come to collect my taxes.


If I refused to pay ( because I saw it as theft), they would throw me in jail.


If I tried to defend myself (because I saw it as assault), they would draw guns.


And there you have it. Cooperation at gunpoint.



Modern liberalism can’t tolerate true individual freedom.


It is sad because it is a forward looking, hopeful worldview. It believes we can change the world for the better. But it has partnered with the devil to do so.


It forces me to fund charity services with which I may or may not agree.


It forces me to invest in my retirement in a way I may not approve.


It makes me pay into savings and job security in a way that I may not like.


It makes me pay for someone else’s medical expenses.


It assumes it knows best and forces me to play along.


That is not freedom.


That is barbarism wrapped in modern ideals.


That is fascism.


Here’s the definition of fascism once again:


“A way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government”


We may not have a single dictator, but a government built on modern liberalism is dictated by the masses.



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But it refuses to recognize the smallest minority of all: the individual.


Modern liberalism has ambitious and noble aims.


But I believe that if most people truly understood how modern liberalism achieved these goals… and saw where it could end up… they would be appalled.


There are better ways to achieve social change than through legislated thugary.

Modern liberalism says that it is an advocate for minorities. Racial minorities. Gender minorities. Income minorities.

I believe democrats and liberals want good things for this country.
I would just ask them to look at the system they have adopted. Really look at it. Study its philosophical roots.


And ask themselves: Is this what I really want? Is this how I want to affect change in the world?


So, I ask you… how do you want to change the world? Through freedom and respect for the inherent rights of all? Or through cloaked intolerance that forces people at gunpoint to live by your rules?

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2021, 02:45 PM
This is a lot to digest but yeah, what you said!!

jet57
02-26-2021, 02:50 PM
It seems to me that the OP whoever that was is not interested in knowing the politics of conservatives but rather of trolling.

Amiright?

Uh, no; you're not right. The intention was to hear what conservatives saw as their perfect country under the conditions that they want to see and of course only one or two actually put some stuff down, but it was so convoluted it couldn't be untangled. Some yelled about "federalism" but of course not one could define it and work it in to their sort of "ideal" in any way that could be followed, so the whole thing went to sh#!.

Nobody could define the "perfect conservative US" and engage the subject.

Calypso Jones
02-26-2021, 02:54 PM
This is a lot to digest but yeah, what you said!!


trying to make it simple for fascists.

Chris
02-26-2021, 03:51 PM
Uh, no; you're not right. The intention was to hear what conservatives saw as their perfect country under the conditions that they want to see and of course only one or two actually put some stuff down, but it was so convoluted it couldn't be untangled. Some yelled about "federalism" but of course not one could define it and work it in to their sort of "ideal" in any way that could be followed, do the whole thing went to sh#!.

Nobody could define the "perfect conservative US" and engage the subject.



hear what conservatives saw as their perfect country

That there is liberal talk, progressivism, the notion of perfection. Not many conservatives abide by it. Something you'll never understand.

Federalzism was defined. But again you seek ideals. You can't understand federalism.

donttread
02-26-2021, 05:09 PM
I kind of doubt that many voted for him, but for argument's sake, let's just say you're correct.

I don't think they have a mental disorder, but I do think they're easily swayed by conspiracies and I also think they're the type of people who are suspect to caving under peer-pressure.

It doesn't mean they're bad folks--not by a long shot--but they're just not the most analytical folks around.


My son has a theory that it is about feeling superior to others like rednecks, Trumpers conservatives who aren't as good a person as those who flock to the ultra lib message. Specifically he is talking about those who sign on to the party line and love to talk about it until a con ask them to discuss based upon research , empirical data,etc. More feeling based folks. On the surface it's easy to see that because they think the whole thing is about helping people. The problem is doubling down on failed policy to try to help them. We have thrown money at poverty for 60 years and now have more poverty! We have lost the war on drugs but refuse to surrender. We have gone so far to dismantle racism as to fight it with legislated racism! Hint that does not help. They tend to be younger and don't get that this has all cycled through before. racism, LBJ style, did contribute to the break down of the black family. But not so much in 2020 other solutions are needed. For one if the ghettos are the problem and we are paying most of the rent there break up the ghettos duh.
But that feeling of superiority also extends to the people who "can't really do it without our help" They would be the folks who can't figure out how to get an ID or request an Absentee Ballot? Think about that a minute. Who the hell would hire people that cannot get those things done?

jet57
02-26-2021, 05:20 PM
I kind of doubt that many voted for him, but for argument's sake, let's just say you're correct.

I don't think they have a mental disorder, but I do think they're easily swayed by conspiracies and I also think they're the type of people who are suspect to caving under peer-pressure.

It doesn't mean they're bad folks--not by a long shot--but they're just not the most analytical folks around.

(cough)

Biden voters are swayed by conspiracies... and you believe the election was stolen?

Abby08
02-26-2021, 05:27 PM
(cough)

Biden voters are swayed by conspiracies... and you believe the election was stolen?


Believe? KNOW!

RMNIXON
02-26-2021, 05:33 PM
(cough)

Biden voters are swayed by conspiracies... and you believe the election was stolen?





Never before in the history of National Elections did we send out valid ballots by Mail to every registered voter in the country. Never before did we allow States to unconstitutionally change voting rules through the courts last minute. Never before did we use social distancing as an excuse to not allow poll observers to do their job observing how votes are counted.

These are Facts not Conspiracies.



I can't say what the election outcome would be if done in the fairest possible manner, but I know a shitstorm of potential fraud when I see it!

Casey Jones
02-26-2021, 05:48 PM
I want you all to tell me what your ideal for our country is. Constitutionalism? How so? Which regulations should be ended: don; say all of them., Say which ones and why. Is their religion in government?

Those are just some things off the top of my head, but I want you to tell me what it is that you want to see this country be. Incorporate your values into it.

Go -
Read the Constitution.

Take note of the ENUMERATED POWERS given to the Federal government.

Those that are not enumerated...belong with the Sovereign States, which have plenary, not enumerated, powers.

Right there you have established no authority for virtually all consumer-product regulations. And many industrial regulations. And most one-sided pro-union labor diktats.

You know what? We were a great nation when industry was free, and what oversight there was, was handled by States. It was the age where the United States was where a laboring man could have a home, feed his kids, and move across the country if he chose; change employers or work if he chose, and retire at 50 if he chose and had the ability to.

Since the Raw Deal, we have gone into a slow death spiral - which now is speeding up.

Chris
02-26-2021, 05:48 PM
(cough)

Biden voters are swayed by conspiracies... and you believe the election was stolen?


Chuckles has a cough!

carolina73
02-26-2021, 05:53 PM
Chuckles has a cough!

Choking on his own lies.

Peter1469
02-26-2021, 06:14 PM
Uh, no; you're not right. The intention was to hear what conservatives saw as their perfect country under the conditions that they want to see and of course only one or two actually put some stuff down, but it was so convoluted it couldn't be untangled. Some yelled about "federalism" but of course not one could define it and work it in to their sort of "ideal" in any way that could be followed, so the whole thing went to sh#!.

Nobody could define the "perfect conservative US" and engage the subject.

They got to have proofs!

lol

Peter1469
02-26-2021, 06:16 PM
That there is liberal talk, progressivism, the notion of perfection. Not many conservatives abide by it. Something you'll never understand.

Federalzism was defined. But again you seek ideals. You can't understand federalism.
We covered it in a series of perhaps 6 posts.

Jet is still clueless as we near 270 posts.