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TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 03:47 PM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-didnt-interfere-in-2020-election-us-intel-report-says-2021-3




Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.


37 Second Clip starting at 0:12

https://youtu.be/H6YVCHcOYuQ?list=TLPQMTkwMzIwMjFY_x4B1THPgw&t=12




Told ya. He always was a political operative.

RMNIXON
03-19-2021, 03:56 PM
But Mueller was not when he dragged out his Nothing Burger investigation in order to affect the midterm election?

When he knew all along he had NOTHING, and cost the tax payers a shitload......................

MMC
03-19-2021, 04:11 PM
:rollseyes:


US Intel Report: 'Russia interfered in election to hurt ... (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel-report-russia-interfered-in-election-to-hurt-biden-help-trump-china-didnt-interfere/)https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel...[/URL]
Mar 16, 2021 · The report also states China did not attempt interference or influence efforts to affect the outcome of the election, but did try to interfere in Trump’s reelection campaign. “We assess that China











The report also states China did not attempt interference or influence efforts to affect the outcome of the election, but did try to interfere in Trump’s reelection campaign.


“We assess that China did not deploy interference efforts and considered but did not deploy influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the US Presidential election,” the report reads. “The (National Intelligence Officer) for Cyber assesses, however, that China did take some steps to try to undermine former President Trump’s reelection.”


The new ODNI report reiterates [URL="https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/08/us-intelligence-china-working-against-trump-in-election-and-russia-working-against-biden/"]its August 2020 report (https://www.bing.com/search?q=There+is+proof+that+China+interfered+in+t he+Election&cvid=c404840a259e498699ac0dff18f44373&aqs=edge..69i57.18220j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531#) that determined Russia wanted to harm Biden’s candidacy, while China wanted to harm Trump’s candidacy.


The report said that, unlike in 2016, U.S. intelligence officials did not see Russian efforts to interfere with the election through cyber efforts.


The report said Iran also sought to interfere in the election to harm Trump’s campaign.....snip~


US Intel Report: 'Russia interfered in election to hurt Biden, help Trump; China didn't interfere' | American Military News (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel-report-russia-interfered-in-election-to-hurt-biden-help-trump-china-didnt-interfere/)

Cletus
03-19-2021, 04:11 PM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-didnt-interfere-in-2020-election-us-intel-report-says-2021-3




Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.


37 Second Clip starting at 0:12

https://youtu.be/H6YVCHcOYuQ?list=TLPQMTkwMzIwMjFY_x4B1THPgw&t=12




Told ya. He always was a political operative.

You really should pay more attention to the bullshit you try to feed everyone here.

That report was released how long ago?

Barr made the statement you posted... when?

carolina73
03-19-2021, 04:26 PM
Your telling me China did not try to interfere in the election? LOL

Everyone tries to interfere in our election.The UK, Israel, France...They all want a certain result that benefits them.
Anyone that says China did not without at least a qualifier is a liar in my book. The only question is where, how and to what degree.
In turn we saw Obama interfere in Brexit and with the Israeli election as examples of where we do the same.

We all spy on each other as well.

MMC
03-19-2021, 05:09 PM
Your telling me China did not try to interfere in the election? LOL

Everyone tries to interfere in our election.The UK, Israel, France...They all want a certain result that benefits them.
Anyone that says China did not without at least a qualifier is a liar in my book. The only question is where, how and to what degree.
In turn we saw Obama interfere in Brexit and with the Israeli election as examples of where we do the same.

We all spy on each other as well.

Taking steps to undermine Trumps campaign. But did Interfere with Trumps campaign. Looks like Barr had it Right all along. Oh well, as usual the Left has trouble discerning reality.

Peter1469
03-19-2021, 06:18 PM
I think the OP is b.s.

China did try to effect the US election, along with many other nations to include US allies.

Don't believe the Deep State.

Barr was never a political operative. In fact it is a shame he wasn't. Joe* would have lost in a landslide were Barr a political operative.

I posted an article on that prior to the election.

The Booman
03-19-2021, 08:39 PM
We need to impeach Trump again!

carolina73
03-19-2021, 09:39 PM
We need to impeach Trump again!
Yeah! Get him out of office! NOW!

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:11 PM
You really should pay more attention to the bullshit you try to feed everyone here.

That report was released how long ago?

Barr made the statement you posted... when?

Cletus, Cletus, Cletus. There you go again, letting that big mouth of yours embarrass you. You have it backwards, bro. Clearly, YOU are the one who should pay more attention:

The report was finished early January which means it covers the time period during which Barr lied about having seen intelligence showing aggressive Chinese interference. Barr said that China was the MOST AGGRESSIVE of any country.

Next time think before you shoot off your mouth, and maybe you won't keep making a fool of yourself all the time.

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:14 PM
Yeah! Get him out of office! NOW!

Ha Ha. You guys got fooled by Barr. Everyone was telling you he was dirty

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:28 PM
You do understand there is a difference between normal transparent international political pressure to influence an election and covert spy shit and disinformation, Right?

I am thinking, No.

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:28 PM
:rollseyes:
US Intel Report: 'Russia interfered in election to hurt ... (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel-report-russia-interfered-in-election-to-hurt-biden-help-trump-china-didnt-interfere/)

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel...
Mar 16, 2021 · The report also states China did not attempt interference or influence efforts to affect the outcome of the election, but did try to interfere in Trump’s reelection campaign. “We assess that China
The report also states China did not attempt interference or influence efforts to affect the outcome of the election, but did try to interfere in Trump’s reelection campaign.

“We assess that China did not deploy interference efforts and considered but did not deploy influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the US Presidential election,” the report reads. “The (National Intelligence Officer) for Cyber assesses, however, that China did take some steps to try to undermine former President Trump’s reelection.”
The new ODNI report reiterates its August 2020 report (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/08/us-intelligence-china-working-against-trump-in-election-and-russia-working-against-biden/) that determined Russia wanted to harm Biden’s candidacy, while China wanted to harm Trump’s candidacy.
The report said that, unlike in 2016, U.S. intelligence officials did not see Russian efforts to interfere with the election through cyber efforts.
The report said Iran also sought to interfere in the election to harm Trump’s campaign.....snip~
US Intel Report: 'Russia interfered in election to hurt Biden, help Trump; China didn't interfere' | American Military News (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-intel-report-russia-interfered-in-election-to-hurt-biden-help-trump-china-didnt-interfere/)


See post #12 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/138291-Proof-Bill-Barr-was-little-more-than-a-political-operative?p=3209638&viewfull=1#post3209638)

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:29 PM
I think the OP is b.s.

China did try to effect the US election, along with many other nations to include US allies.

Don't believe the Deep State.

Barr was never a political operative. In fact it is a shame he wasn't. Joe* would have lost in a landslide were Barr a political operative.

I posted an article on that prior to the election.
See post #12 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/138291-Proof-Bill-Barr-was-little-more-than-a-political-operative?p=3209638&viewfull=1#post3209638)

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 10:30 PM
Your telling me China did not try to interfere in the election? LOL

Everyone tries to interfere in our election.The UK, Israel, France...They all want a certain result that benefits them.
Anyone that says China did not without at least a qualifier is a liar in my book. The only question is where, how and to what degree.
In turn we saw Obama interfere in Brexit and with the Israeli election as examples of where we do the same.

We all spy on each other as well.

See post #12 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/138291-Proof-Bill-Barr-was-little-more-than-a-political-operative?p=3209638&viewfull=1#post3209638)

Tahuyaman
03-19-2021, 11:05 PM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-didnt-interfere-in-2020-election-us-intel-report-says-2021-3




Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.


37 Second Clip starting at 0:12

https://youtu.be/H6YVCHcOYuQ?list=TLPQMTkwMzIwMjFY_x4B1THPgw&t=12




Told ya. He always was a political operative.
Are you really this dumb? Yep, you are.

Cletus
03-19-2021, 11:06 PM
Cletus, Cletus, Cletus. There you go again, letting that big mouth of yours embarrass you. You have it backwards, bro. Clearly, YOU are the one who should pay more attention:

The report was finished early January which means it covers the time period during which Barr lied about having seen intelligence showing aggressive Chinese interference. Barr said that China was the MOST AGGRESSIVE of any country.

Next time think before you shoot off your mouth, and maybe you won't keep making a fool of yourself all the time.


It doesn't matter when it was finished. What matters is when Barr saw it.

Even that is not what really matters. What really matters is whether that was the consensus of the Justice Department Counter Intel guys. Barr did not work for the DNI. He had his own intel and counter intel apparatus.

Now, go ahead and publish the internal JUSTICE DEPARTMENT reports and let's see what you've got.

Get on it and get back to me.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2021, 11:06 PM
See post #12 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/138291-Proof-Bill-Barr-was-little-more-than-a-political-operative?p=3209638&viewfull=1#post3209638)
Post #12......
You do understand there is a difference between normal transparent international political pressure to influence an election and covert spy shit and disinformation, Right?

I am thinking, No.


Dumb.

Cletus
03-19-2021, 11:08 PM
I am thinking, No.
You forgot the "t" at the end of your sentence.

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 11:38 PM
It doesn't matter when it was finished. What matters is when Barr saw it.

Even that is not what really matters. What really matters is whether that was the consensus of the Justice Department Counter Intel guys. Barr did not work for the DNI. He had his own intel and counter intel apparatus.

Now, go ahead and publish the internal JUSTICE DEPARTMENT reports and let's see what you've got.

Get on it and get back to me.

Really impressive how you can invent bullshit on the fly like that. Seriously, that's good shit. Extra points for the word "apparatus."


Bummer that I happen to know their investigatory "apparatus" is the FBI. And as you probably know, the FBI does come under the purview of the DNI. Any intelligence Barr purportedly saw, would have made it's way into the DNI's report.

TheLiquidGuy
03-19-2021, 11:39 PM
You forgot the "t" at the end of your sentence.

nice catch

Tahuyaman
03-20-2021, 12:24 AM
Ha Ha. You guys got fooled by Barr. Everyone was telling you he was dirty
Lol. This coming from a guy who condones the activities of one of the most corrupt administration's in US history.

TheLiquidGuy
03-20-2021, 12:41 AM
Lol. This coming from a guy who condones the activities of one of the most corrupt administration's in US history.

Thats bullshit. Just because I approved of a couple of Trump policies doesn't mean that I condoned the activities of his whole administration.

Tahuyaman
03-20-2021, 01:11 AM
Thats bullshit. Just because I approved of a couple of Trump policies doesn't mean that I condoned the activities of his whole administration.
You have always condoned the corruption which created the Trump / Russia collusion hoax and used fake evidence to justify a FISA warrant to spy on American citizens guilty of no crimes.

The Booman
03-20-2021, 04:26 AM
So, not most aggressive, just normal aggressive.

What we have here, folks is the biggest scandal in the history of scandals. The scandal to which all other scandals is to be judged. This is so big it prompted Fred Nertz the official judge of scandals to say "hey, this is a scandal".

Peter1469
03-20-2021, 04:32 AM
Ha Ha. You guys got fooled by Barr. Everyone was telling you he was dirty

Why do you assume Barr was lying? First, the DNI report could be inaccurate (for many reasons, such as the IC's investment in Russia as the biggest threat).

Second, intelligence that Barr saw could have been pointing towards Chinese interference and when the raw intelligence was analyzed the conclusions changed.

Cut and paste anything useful from the article. My ad blocker blocks it.

DGUtley
03-20-2021, 04:54 AM
Are you really this dumb? Yep, you are.

NOTICE @Tahuyaman (https://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1365) THREADBANNED by OP per tpf rules - trolling, insults and bad faith posting

carolina73
03-20-2021, 09:03 AM
I have to say that if I have to choose between Barr and Avril Haines for the truth then I am taking the word of Barr, not a Obama team player.

I'm not sure why anyone would believe what government has told us after living through the Obama era.

MMC
03-20-2021, 11:54 AM
See post #12 (https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/138291-Proof-Bill-Barr-was-little-more-than-a-political-operative?p=3209638&viewfull=1#post3209638)

See a shrink to help you with your problem.....reality.

MMC
03-20-2021, 12:49 PM
So, not most aggressive, just normal aggressive.

What we have here, folks is the biggest scandal in the history of scandals. The scandal to which all other scandals is to be judged. This is so big it prompted Fred Nertz the official judge of scandals to say "hey, this is a scandal".

Nah nothing so grand. Just the Norm. Liquids assuming stuff and looking to play off terminology. Then continue on with Russia tried to help Trump. But China didnt try to help Biden.



Herridge DNI Ratcliffe confirms China election interference

#BREAKING (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hashtag_click)CBS News Senior Correspondent @CBS_Herridge (https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweete mbed%7Ctwterm%5E1339336097189474306%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctw con%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fherridge-dni-ratcliffe-confirms-china-election-interference%2Far-BB1c0BE5) reports that @DNI_Ratcliffe has "told CBS News that there was foreign election interference by China, #Iran (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hashtag_click), and Russia in November of this year [2020].".....snip~

Herridge DNI Ratcliffe confirms China election interference (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/herridge-dni-ratcliffe-confirms-china-election-interference/ar-BB1c0BE5)



From the leftist AMAC.


Infographic: China’s 2020 Election Interference
The CCP made clear through its state-run media that it favored a presidency under Democratic Party candidate Joe Biden (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-joe-biden), because he would be “smoother” to deal with than President Donald Trump (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-donald-trump).

Beijing interfered in the 2020 election in multiple ways, and the regime was able to do this because it has, for decades, studied our society and form of government. It has systematically exploited all weaknesses in our system.

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/01/06/EET_INFOGRAPHIC_ChinaElectioninterference_RGB_S-1200x1043.jpg

Voter Registration DrivesThe Chinese Progressive Association has close ties to the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco. Many of its former executives, as well as other pro-Beijing leftists, are now involved with the “Seed the Vote” initiative. The goal of the group was to defeat Trump and win more Democratic seats in the U.S. Senate. Their activities specifically targeted seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.


Pro-Beijing Groups Involved in RiotsPro-CCP group Chinese Progressive Association funds the Black Futures Lab, which shares a principal organizer with the Black Lives Matter movement. Many of the protests and riots that swept across U.S. cities in 2020 had the involvement of pro-CCP groups, such as the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and Liberation Road, as well as Antifa and the BLM movement. One of the effects of the riots was a weakening of the president’s authority in the country as well as intimidation of his supporters. After the Nov. 3 election, amid challenges raised to the election results, the threat of similar riots resulted in the intimidation of state legislatures, lawmakers, and judges. After Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) announced that he would oppose the Electoral College vote in Congress, Antifa members threatened his family at their Washington home.


Chinese Influence Over US PoliticiansFor decades, the CCP has sought to subvert and control politicians, policymakers, and influencers in academia. One such case came to the surface when it was revealed that Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) had close ties to an alleged Chinese spy. The CCP uses a wide variety of incentives and disincentives to persuade U.S. policymakers to do its bidding, and it ranks all U.S. governors according to how friendly or hostile they are to the CCP. In Georgia, a key battleground state, the governor has maintained friendly ties with Chinese dignitaries. In April last year, Li Qiangmin, then Chinese consul general in Houston, was invited to an event hosted by the governor, where Li praised him for “proactively pushing for cooperation with China,” according to a press release by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. China has been Georgia’s largest trading partner for the past five years.



CCP Virus Propaganda CampaignIn February 2020, as the CCP virus spread around the world, Beijing started a large-scale propaganda campaign that sought to portray the CCP as a global leader in fighting the pandemic. Authorities simultaneously bought up protective equipment from the United States and other countries, and halted exports of Chinese-manufactured medical goods. As COVID-19 cases increased in the United States, the CCP actively portrayed the United States as a disaster zone with large numbers of deaths, while simultaneously covering up China’s own death toll. Beijing’s propaganda sought to portray the CCP as a savior of humanity, while casting doubt on Americans’ confidence in Trump’s leadership. This narrative was amplified by Chinese state media, as well as paid articles in U.S. media.



Fake IDsDuring the first six months of 2020, Customs and Border Protection agents seized nearly 20,000 fake driver’s licenses, most of them from China. It is unclear how many fake IDs may have been sent to the United States from China and gone undetected. Fake IDs can be used for a wide variety of purposes, including voter fraud.


Influence Over US MediaThe CCP has worked for years to increase its influence over U.S. media organizations. Each year, Chinese state-owned media spend millions of dollars to insert their propaganda into publications such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post. A recent list published by the National Pulse based on FARA filings shows most major U.S. media organizations received “familiarization trips” and “private dinners” from a group that is part of the CCP’s United Work Front.....snip~

Infographic: China’s 2020 Election Interference - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens (https://amac.us/infographic-chinas-2020-election-interference/)



DNI Ratcliffe Releases Report Showing China Interfered with the 2020 Election and CIA Management Pressured Analysts Not to Report It –
January 18, 2021 (http://storenewss.com/dni-ratcliffe-releases-report-showing-china-interfered-with-the-2020-election-and-cia-management-pressured-analysts-not-to-report-it/)

Director of National Intelligence (DNI) John Ratcliffe issued a report stating China interfered in the 2020 election while CIA management pressured lower level analysts to discount this assessment.....snip~

DNI Ratcliffe Releases Report Showing China Interfered with the 2020 Election and CIA Management Pressured Analysts Not to Report It – – News Wire (storenewss.com) (http://storenewss.com/dni-ratcliffe-releases-report-showing-china-interfered-with-the-2020-election-and-cia-management-pressured-analysts-not-to-report-it/)


The statement released by National Counterintelligence and Security Center Director Bill Evanina in early August (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-prefers-trump-lose-while-russia-seeks-to-undermine-biden-us-intelligence-community-says), which mentioned Beijing's preference for Trump to lose the 2020 election, discussed what considerations are being taken by China as the U.S. ratchets up the pressure.


“Although China will continue to weigh the risks and benefits of aggressive action, its public rhetoric over the past few months has grown increasingly critical of the current administration’s COVID-19 response, closure of China’s Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues. For example, it has harshly criticized the administration’s statements and actions on Hong Kong, TikTok, the legal status of the South China Sea, and China’s efforts to dominate the 5G market," Evanina said.


The Chinese Communist Party “recognizes that all of these efforts” could affect the presidential election, Evanina added.


Evanina's early August statement also stressed that, like in 2016, Moscow is making moves to interfere in the 2020 presidential contest.


Evanina also said Iran “seeks to undermine U.S. democratic institutions, President Trump, and to divide the country in advance of the 2020 elections.” He said Tehran’s efforts “probably will focus on online influence such as spreading disinformation on social media and recirculating anti-U.S. content.”


Gen. Paul Nakasone, head of U.S. Cyber Command and the NSA, said (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nsa-disrupting-russian-cyber-interference-in-2018-midterm-elections-helped-us-prepare-for-2020) Tuesday that U.S. efforts disrupting Russian meddling attempts in the 2018 midterms helped prepare the U.S. to defend against a range of cyberinterference efforts even more effectively during 2020......snip~


John Ratcliffe: Unmatched 'national security threat' posed by China includes election interference (washingtonexaminer.com) (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-ratcliffe-unmatched-national-security-threat-posed-by-china-includes-election-interference)



DoD and the CIA…Foreign Interference…in Our Election.....

Situation Update, Dec. 11th – DoD de-fangs the CIA, 305th intel proves foreign interference, SCOTUS maneuvers.....

“Spider” is the expert cyber security witness trained by the 305th military intelligence battalion.....

I was an electronic intelligence analyst under 305th Military Intelligence with experience gathering SAM missile system electronic intelligence. I have extensive experience as a white hat hacker used by some of the top election specialists in the world. The methodologies I have employed represent industry standard cyber operation toolkits for digital forensics and OSINT, which are commonly used to certify connections between servers, network nodes and other digital properties and probe to network system vulnerabilities.
The document lays out the fact that Dominion voting systems had open, unencrypted passwords and remote access capabilities which were exploited by both China and Iran during the election. Through analysis of IP addresses, subdomain resolutions and other tracing techniques, the “white hat” cyber warfare expert testifying in this document was able to determine that foreign aggressors interfered in the 2020 election by remotely accessing Dominion voting machines and altering election outcomes. Some of the remote access infrastructure was also hosted out of Canada and the Netherlands, and financial support for the effort was also tied to Pakistan.


In addition, Dominion Voting Systems is shown to have sold intellectual property patents to communist China via the HSBC Bank in Canada. Importantly, one of the properties of at least one patent deals with ballot “authentication and verification.”.....snip~


DoD and the CIA…Foreign Interference…in Our Election – Brutal Proof (https://brutalproof.net/2020/12/dod-and-the-cia-foreign-interference-in-our-election/)


"China has been involved in election interference this cycle, both the presidential race and all the way down the ballot," Christopher Whyte, an assistant professor in the homeland security and emergency preparedness program at Virginia Commonwealth University, told Fox News. "There are direct 'election hacking' efforts that attempt to either directly or indirectly target the vote, by hacking into polling locations, registration databases, etc. Then, there are broader influence efforts that are intended to shape the context of the election itself – the issues, the mindset of voters."....snip~

How does China 'interfere' in the US presidential election? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-does-china-interfere-in-the-u-s-presidential-election)
Aug 17, 2020 · Gen. Jack Keane: Other countries undermining the American people’s confidence in election process U.S. counterintelligence chief warns that Russia, China and Iran are trying to interfere …


Leftists like Liquids always is about pushing the Demo Narrative. Like Democrats.....forgetting proof that was out there even before the Election began.

MMC
03-20-2021, 12:52 PM
Why do you assume Barr was lying? First, the DNI report could be inaccurate (for many reasons, such as the IC's investment in Russia as the biggest threat).

Second, intelligence that Barr saw could have been pointing towards Chinese interference and when the raw intelligence was analyzed the conclusions changed.

Cut and paste anything useful from the article. My ad blocker blocks it.

The Narrative that must be pushed. Russia helped Trump. But China didnt help Biden. As usual the Deviates are still going with Russia tried to help Trump. Trump Russian Collusion that Democrats have not dropped.

TheLiquidGuy
03-20-2021, 02:55 PM
So, not most aggressive, just normal aggressive.

What we have here, folks is the biggest scandal in the history of scandals. The scandal to which all other scandals is to be judged. This is so big it prompted Fred Nertz the official judge of scandals to say "hey, this is a scandal".

normal means legal, transparent, permissible political pressure. Thats fine. Thats normal.



Things that are covert or illegal or disinformation and deception, or laundering such things through local actors is where the line must be drawn. China didn't cross it. Russia did. And they did it to help their boy, Trump.

TheLiquidGuy
03-20-2021, 03:01 PM
The Narrative that must be pushed. Russia helped Trump. But China didnt help Biden. As usual the Deviates are still going with Russia tried to help Trump. Trump Russian Collusion that Democrats have not dropped.

Russia took aggressive, illegal/covert/deceptive action to help Trump, just like they also did in 2016.


China did not.


This is not a "narrative." This is the conclusion of the IC under Trump. This is simply reality. I know you have to tell yourselves it couldn't be true. This is how denial works. When the truth is too much to take, you relieve the stress by fooling your self that truth isn't truth.

Republicans have had a lot of cognitive dissonance, thanks to Trump. Trump ruined you guys. You need some recovery from him, before you get back on the saddle.

TheLiquidGuy
03-20-2021, 03:25 PM
Nah nothing so grand. Just the Norm. Liquids assuming stuff and looking to play off terminology. Then continue on with Russia tried to help Trump. But China didnt try to help Biden.

Herridge DNI Ratcliffe confirms China election interference

#BREAKING (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hashtag_click)CBS News Senior Correspondent @CBS_Herridge (https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|t wterm^1339336097189474306|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fherridge-dni-ratcliffe-confirms-china-election-interference%2Far-BB1c0BE5) reports that @DNI_Ratcliffe has "told CBS News that there was foreign election interference by China, #Iran (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hashtag_click), and Russia in November of this year [2020].".....snip~

Herridge DNI Ratcliffe confirms China election interference (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/herridge-dni-ratcliffe-confirms-china-election-interference/ar-BB1c0BE5)

From the leftist AMAC.
Infographic: China’s 2020 Election Interference
The CCP made clear through its state-run media that it favored a presidency under Democratic Party candidate Joe Biden (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-joe-biden), because he would be “smoother” to deal with than President Donald Trump (https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-donald-trump).
Beijing interfered in the 2020 election in multiple ways, and the regime was able to do this because it has, for decades, studied our society and form of government. It has systematically exploited all weaknesses in our system.
https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/01/06/EET_INFOGRAPHIC_ChinaElectioninterference_RGB_S-1200x1043.jpg
Voter Registration Drives
The Chinese Progressive Association has close ties to the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco. Many of its former executives, as well as other pro-Beijing leftists, are now involved with the “Seed the Vote” initiative. The goal of the group was to defeat Trump and win more Democratic seats in the U.S. Senate. Their activities specifically targeted seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
Pro-Beijing Groups Involved in Riots
Pro-CCP group Chinese Progressive Association funds the Black Futures Lab, which shares a principal organizer with the Black Lives Matter movement. Many of the protests and riots that swept across U.S. cities in 2020 had the involvement of pro-CCP groups, such as the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and Liberation Road, as well as Antifa and the BLM movement. One of the effects of the riots was a weakening of the president’s authority in the country as well as intimidation of his supporters. After the Nov. 3 election, amid challenges raised to the election results, the threat of similar riots resulted in the intimidation of state legislatures, lawmakers, and judges. After Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) announced that he would oppose the Electoral College vote in Congress, Antifa members threatened his family at their Washington home.
Chinese Influence Over US Politicians
For decades, the CCP has sought to subvert and control politicians, policymakers, and influencers in academia. One such case came to the surface when it was revealed that Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) had close ties to an alleged Chinese spy. The CCP uses a wide variety of incentives and disincentives to persuade U.S. policymakers to do its bidding, and it ranks all U.S. governors according to how friendly or hostile they are to the CCP. In Georgia, a key battleground state, the governor has maintained friendly ties with Chinese dignitaries. In April last year, Li Qiangmin, then Chinese consul general in Houston, was invited to an event hosted by the governor, where Li praised him for “proactively pushing for cooperation with China,” according to a press release by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. China has been Georgia’s largest trading partner for the past five years.

CCP Virus Propaganda Campaign
In February 2020, as the CCP virus spread around the world, Beijing started a large-scale propaganda campaign that sought to portray the CCP as a global leader in fighting the pandemic. Authorities simultaneously bought up protective equipment from the United States and other countries, and halted exports of Chinese-manufactured medical goods. As COVID-19 cases increased in the United States, the CCP actively portrayed the United States as a disaster zone with large numbers of deaths, while simultaneously covering up China’s own death toll. Beijing’s propaganda sought to portray the CCP as a savior of humanity, while casting doubt on Americans’ confidence in Trump’s leadership. This narrative was amplified by Chinese state media, as well as paid articles in U.S. media.
Fake IDs
During the first six months of 2020, Customs and Border Protection agents seized nearly 20,000 fake driver’s licenses, most of them from China. It is unclear how many fake IDs may have been sent to the United States from China and gone undetected. Fake IDs can be used for a wide variety of purposes, including voter fraud.
Influence Over US Media
The CCP has worked for years to increase its influence over U.S. media organizations. Each year, Chinese state-owned media spend millions of dollars to insert their propaganda into publications such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post. A recent list published by the National Pulse based on FARA filings shows most major U.S. media organizations received “familiarization trips” and “private dinners” from a group that is part of the CCP’s United Work Front.....snip~

Infographic: China’s 2020 Election Interference - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens (https://amac.us/infographic-chinas-2020-election-interference/)
DNI Ratcliffe Releases Report Showing China Interfered with the 2020 Election and CIA Management Pressured Analysts Not to Report It –
January 18, 2021 (http://storenewss.com/dni-ratcliffe-releases-report-showing-china-interfered-with-the-2020-election-and-cia-management-pressured-analysts-not-to-report-it/)
Director of National Intelligence (DNI) John Ratcliffe issued a report stating China interfered in the 2020 election while CIA management pressured lower level analysts to discount this assessment.....snip~
DNI Ratcliffe Releases Report Showing China Interfered with the 2020 Election and CIA Management Pressured Analysts Not to Report It – – News Wire (storenewss.com) (http://storenewss.com/dni-ratcliffe-releases-report-showing-china-interfered-with-the-2020-election-and-cia-management-pressured-analysts-not-to-report-it/)
The statement released by National Counterintelligence and Security Center Director Bill Evanina in early August (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-prefers-trump-lose-while-russia-seeks-to-undermine-biden-us-intelligence-community-says), which mentioned Beijing's preference for Trump to lose the 2020 election, discussed what considerations are being taken by China as the U.S. ratchets up the pressure.
"Although China will continue to weigh the risks and benefits of aggressive action, its public rhetoric over the past few months has grown increasingly critical of the current administration’s COVID-19 response, closure of China’s Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues. For example, it has harshly criticized the administration’s statements and actions on Hong Kong, TikTok, the legal status of the South China Sea, and China’s efforts to dominate the 5G market," Evanina said.
The Chinese Communist Party “recognizes that all of these efforts” could affect the presidential election, Evanina added.
Evanina's early August statement also stressed that, like in 2016, Moscow is making moves to interfere in the 2020 presidential contest.
Evanina also said Iran “seeks to undermine U.S. democratic institutions, President Trump, and to divide the country in advance of the 2020 elections.” He said Tehran’s efforts “probably will focus on online influence such as spreading disinformation on social media and recirculating anti-U.S. content.”
Gen. Paul Nakasone, head of U.S. Cyber Command and the NSA, said (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nsa-disrupting-russian-cyber-interference-in-2018-midterm-elections-helped-us-prepare-for-2020) Tuesday that U.S. efforts disrupting Russian meddling attempts in the 2018 midterms helped prepare the U.S. to defend against a range of cyberinterference efforts even more effectively during 2020......snip~
John Ratcliffe: Unmatched 'national security threat' posed by China includes election interference (washingtonexaminer.com) (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-ratcliffe-unmatched-national-security-threat-posed-by-china-includes-election-interference)

DoD and the CIA…Foreign Interference…in Our Election.....
Situation Update, Dec. 11th – DoD de-fangs the CIA, 305th intel proves foreign interference, SCOTUS maneuvers.....
“Spider” is the expert cyber security witness trained by the 305th military intelligence battalion.....
I was an electronic intelligence analyst under 305th Military Intelligence with experience gathering SAM missile system electronic intelligence. I have extensive experience as a white hat hacker used by some of the top election specialists in the world. The methodologies I have employed represent industry standard cyber operation toolkits for digital forensics and OSINT, which are commonly used to certify connections between servers, network nodes and other digital properties and probe to network system vulnerabilities.
The document lays out the fact that Dominion voting systems had open, unencrypted passwords and remote access capabilities which were exploited by both China and Iran during the election. Through analysis of IP addresses, subdomain resolutions and other tracing techniques, the “white hat” cyber warfare expert testifying in this document was able to determine that foreign aggressors interfered in the 2020 election by remotely accessing Dominion voting machines and altering election outcomes. Some of the remote access infrastructure was also hosted out of Canada and the Netherlands, and financial support for the effort was also tied to Pakistan.
In addition, Dominion Voting Systems is shown to have sold intellectual property patents to communist China via the HSBC Bank in Canada. Importantly, one of the properties of at least one patent deals with ballot “authentication and verification.”.....snip~
DoD and the CIA…Foreign Interference…in Our Election – Brutal Proof (https://brutalproof.net/2020/12/dod-and-the-cia-foreign-interference-in-our-election/)
"China has been involved in election interference this cycle, both the presidential race and all the way down the ballot," Christopher Whyte, an assistant professor in the homeland security and emergency preparedness program at Virginia Commonwealth University, told Fox News. "There are direct 'election hacking' efforts that attempt to either directly or indirectly target the vote, by hacking into polling locations, registration databases, etc. Then, there are broader influence efforts that are intended to shape the context of the election itself – the issues, the mindset of voters."....snip~
How does China 'interfere' in the US presidential election? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-does-china-interfere-in-the-u-s-presidential-election)
Aug 17, 2020 · Gen. Jack Keane: Other countries undermining the American people’s confidence in election process U.S. counterintelligence chief warns that Russia, China and Iran are trying to interfere …
Leftists like Liquids always is about pushing the Demo Narrative. Like Democrats.....forgetting proof that was out there even before the Election began.

This is not Demo narrative. This is Trump's IC narrative.

The "interferences" you have listed in your article are either above board, unrelated to the election, speculative, or a combination thereof.

Again, The Trump IC made it's conclusions. Read it and weep.

MMC
03-20-2021, 03:46 PM
Russia took aggressive, illegal/covert/deceptive action to help Trump, just like they also did in 2016.


China did not.


This is not a "narrative." This is the conclusion of the IC under Trump. This is simply reality. I know you have to tell yourselves it couldn't be true. This is how denial works. When the truth is too much to take, you relieve the stress by fooling your self that truth isn't truth.

Republicans have had a lot of cognitive dissonance, thanks to Trump. Trump ruined you guys. You need some recovery from him, before you get back on the saddle.

It is a narrative. As your Democrats set themselves out with still talking about Trump Russian Collusion after they won the election.


You follow it blindy like a Borg drone. Unable to use intelligence and common sense. Hense your assuming stuff you do.

MMC
03-20-2021, 03:50 PM
This is not Demo narrative. This is Trump's IC narrative.

The "interferences" you have listed in your article are either above board, unrelated to the election, speculative, or a combination thereof.

Again, The Trump IC made it's conclusions. Read it and weep.



:rollseyes:


A declassified report (https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ICA-declass-16MAR21.pdf) released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Monday concluded that China did not end up interfering in the 2020 presidential election.....snip~



Senate confirms Biden's first Cabinet nominee - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/avril-haines-director-national-intelligence-senate-confirms-biden-cabinet/)https://www.cbsnews.com/news/avril-haines-director.
Jan 21, 2021 · January 21, 2021 / 6:53 AM / CBS News The Senate voted to confirm Avril Haines to be Director of National Intelligence on Wednesday evening, making her the first of President Biden's Cabinet...




The links I put up already debunked your bullshit on Barr. One day dont worry it will filter down.


Oh and So much for Biden's DNI. LMAO.

TheLiquidGuy
03-20-2021, 05:37 PM
:rollseyes:

A declassified report (https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ICA-declass-16MAR21.pdf) released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Monday concluded that China did not end up interfering in the 2020 presidential election.....snip~

Senate confirms Biden's first Cabinet nominee - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/avril-haines-director-national-intelligence-senate-confirms-biden-cabinet/)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/avril-haines-director.
Jan 21, 2021 · January 21, 2021 / 6:53 AM / CBS News The Senate voted to confirm Avril Haines to be Director of National Intelligence on Wednesday evening, making her the first of President Biden's Cabinet...


What is the relevance of these quotes?
Now you just put up any unrelated article in order to make it look like you found proof of something?

The DNI report was concluded under Trumps admin. Avril simply declassified it.


The links I put up already debunked your bullshit on Barr. One day dont worry it will filter down.
Oh and So much for Biden's DNI. LMAO.

Your links were trash. They described actions that were unrelated, speculative, or totally legal.

For example:

Pro-Beijing Groups Involved in Riots
Pro-CCP group Chinese Progressive Association funds the Black Futures Lab, which shares a principal organizer with the Black Lives Matter movement. Many of the protests and riots that swept across U.S. cities in 2020 had the involvement of pro-CCP groups, such as the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and Liberation Road, as well as Antifa and the BLM movement. One of the effects of the riots was a weakening of the president’s authority in the country as well as intimidation of his supporters. After the Nov. 3 election, amid challenges raised to the election results, the threat of similar riots resulted in the intimidation of state legislatures, lawmakers, and judges. After Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) announced that he would oppose the Electoral College vote in Congress, Antifa members threatened his family at their Washington home.

This is attempting to twist the rioting into effort to directly affect the election. At best this is a stretch. The riots are supposed to intimidate republican candidates? Give me a break. This article is a bunch of crap. An effort to interfere with the election would be advertising the wrong election date or mailing deadline for ballots. Not this crap.

Peter1469
03-20-2021, 05:40 PM
lol


Russia took aggressive, illegal/covert/deceptive action to help Trump, just like they also did in 2016.


China did not.


This is not a "narrative." This is the conclusion of the IC under Trump. This is simply reality. I know you have to tell yourselves it couldn't be true. This is how denial works. When the truth is too much to take, you relieve the stress by fooling your self that truth isn't truth.

Republicans have had a lot of cognitive dissonance, thanks to Trump. Trump ruined you guys. You need some recovery from him, before you get back on the saddle.

TheLiquidGuy
03-21-2021, 03:00 AM
lol
The “lol” just means you’re out of ideas.

Peter1469
03-21-2021, 03:02 AM
The “lol” just means you’re out of ideas.
No it doesn't. I means I don't beat a dead horse. The topic has been covered.

MMC
03-21-2021, 08:37 AM
No it doesn't. I means I don't beat a dead horse. The topic has been covered.

Yes and Liquids assuming was the shining light. Still one does have to laugh at him not knowing which DNI(Biden's Newly Confirmed DNI) has released this garbage. :laugh:

TheLiquidGuy
03-21-2021, 10:18 AM
No it doesn't. I means I don't beat a dead horse. The topic has been covered.
Uh Peter,
How is that different from being out of ideas?

TheLiquidGuy
03-21-2021, 10:20 AM
Yes and Liquids assuming was the shining light. Still one does have to laugh at him not knowing which DNI(Biden's Newly Confirmed DNI) has released this garbage. :laugh:

What makes you think i don’t know? I do. Are you assuming again?

Also, its not garbage. The report was developped under the Trumpian DNI.

Peter1469
03-21-2021, 10:34 AM
Uh Peter,
How is that different from being out of ideas?
The topic has been covered. I can invest time to discuss more, but I don't see the need.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. O_CykjlQ6FKWvAYyh2OR0AHaE_%26pid%3DApi&f=1

I started some interesting threads in the Military room. Check those out.

MMC
03-21-2021, 12:04 PM
What makes you think i don’t know? I do. Are you assuming again?

Also, its not garbage. The report was developped under the Trumpian DNI.



Which Trumps DNI dealt with, then later it was discovered that the CIA was being coerced. Go back and read the links you were given.


If you knew this Report came from Biden's DNI. Then you should have did some research rather than assuming like you always do. Your Report is garbage. As all Biden's DNI tried to do was go around Trump's DNI and Barr.


Like Pete said.....this topic has been covered and Bidens team forgot all of the reports that came out even before the election started.


So its nothing more than the usual to try and smear Barr.

TheLiquidGuy
03-21-2021, 01:38 PM
Ratcliffe is a hyper partisan. It turns out he twisted the ombudsman's report to use it as justification for his allegation...

https://www.wionews.com/world/trump-administration-politicized-some-intelligence-on-foreign-election-influence-report-finds-355591

"Barry A. Zulauf, [...] found there was a “a loss of objectivity” and politicization of intelligence in the election threat reporting last year."

"“Analysis on foreign election interference was delayed, distorted or obstructed out of concern over policymaker reactions [Trump's reaction] or for political reasons,” said the report, which was submitted to Congress on Thursday."

"The March talking points, an unclassified version of which was made public, stated that the Kremlin was not aiding “any candidate’s reelection” — a stance at odds with what intelligence officers had told Congress previously: that Russia favored President Donald Trump"

"The [ombudsman's] report also said that Grenell held up a memo in May from the National Intelligence Council about election security threats. His office revised a draft that emphasized intelligence gaps over what was known about those threats. Zulauf’s report said the revised version “buried the lead.”

(In other words the DNI buried the fact that Russia was interfering again.)


"Analysts believed that the final published version of the August assessment — after interventions by John Ratcliffe, the current director of national intelligence, to add the warning about China — was an “outrageous misrepresentation of their analysis,” he reported."




Which Trumps DNI dealt with, then later it was discovered that the CIA was being coerced. Go back and read the links you were given.

I guess it depends on who you believe: A hyper partisan career politician who was newly installed as DNI in May of an election year, and who twisted a report in order make his fake point. Or career civil servants who have no stake in the outcome of an election.

I know who you will always believe. You'll believe whatever helps you maintain your cognitive dissonance.


If you knew this Report came from Biden's DNI.

The report in question DID NOT come from Biden's DNI. The Report was DECLASSIFIED by Biden's DNI.


...Then you should have did some research rather than assuming like you always do. Your Report is garbage. As all Biden's DNI tried to do was go around Trump's DNI and Barr.
Since your *assumption* about who created the report is wrong this statement is null and void.


Like Pete said.....this topic has been covered and Bidens team forgot all of the reports that came out even before the election started.
As I quoted above, the ombudsman assessed that the Trump era reports were politically motivated.

So its nothing more than the usual to try and smear Barr.
Those reports were not aimed at Barr. I am the one that made the connection.

MMC
03-21-2021, 04:14 PM
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.O44kMW30wqwprmj6NoS2ogHaEv?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Calypso Jones
03-21-2021, 04:21 PM
The left has been caught in everything the Trump administration says they were doing and still doing. In order to save face, the left doubles down. Unfortunately for the left, America knows they are liars and cheats. they can't help themselves.

Peter1469
03-21-2021, 05:48 PM
The hard left are invested in lies. Stop responding to their crap.

The Booman
03-21-2021, 05:54 PM
This is a rather disingenuous thread as the cheerleader who started it is inferring that the evil right wing Nazi racist types here were fans of Barr even though he was often criticized by republicans here. A concept completely alien to the lefties, criticizing the democrats.

hanger4
03-21-2021, 06:00 PM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.





Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.







Told ya. He always was a political operative.

You're right, if only Barr hadn't released the some of the Durham investigation information for an October surprise. Oh wait ......... he didn't.

Captdon
03-21-2021, 09:16 PM
normal means legal, transparent, permissible political pressure. Thats fine. Thats normal.



Things that are covert or illegal or disinformation and deception, or laundering such things through local actors is where the line must be drawn. China didn't cross it. Russia did. And they did it to help their boy, Trump.

Except for the billion dollars they gave his kid. A lot of influence to me.

TheLiquidGuy
03-21-2021, 11:56 PM
You're right, if only Barr hadn't released the some of the Durham investigation information for an October surprise. Oh wait ......... he didn't.
Barr is no dummy. he knew that would have been too obvious, especially since the policy of the DOJ has been not to release politically dammaging info in the run up to an election. Besides, as I recall, Durham or his staff were not co-operating. And although there was pressure to release an interim report, nothing was ready (as I recall).

TheLiquidGuy
03-22-2021, 12:07 AM
This is a rather disingenuous thread as the cheerleader who started it is inferring that the evil right wing Nazi racist types here were fans of Barr even though he was often criticized by republicans here. A concept completely alien to the lefties, criticizing the democrats.

1) AFAIK there is no large concentration of evil Nazis here.
2) I have never seen any of you criticizing Barr's for his lack of neutrality. Or for anything at all.
3) I can tell you that whenever I've criticized Barr in the past, there was no shortage of members here willing to rush to his defense. Just like now.

The Booman
03-22-2021, 12:11 AM
1) AFAIK there is no large concentration of evil Nazis here.

There must be, based how often the word gets bandied bandied about. Almost as much as dictator.

2) I have never seen any of you criticizing Barr's for his lack of neutrality. Or for anything at all.

Well you should have spent less time justifying a years worth of leftist rioting. You may have noticed more.

3) I can tell you that whenever I've criticized Barr in the past, there was no shortage of members here willing to rush to his defense. Just like now.

So people defending Barr means those people never criticized him? That's new.

TheLiquidGuy
03-22-2021, 12:12 AM
The hard left are invested in lies. Stop responding to their crap.

The hard right is invested in lies. Stop responding to their crap.


(I win)

TheLiquidGuy
03-22-2021, 12:14 AM
So people defending Barr means those people never criticized him? That's new.

Fans of barr are more likely to defend him.

hanger4
03-22-2021, 05:12 AM
Barr is no dummy. he knew that would have been too obvious, especially since the policy of the DOJ has been not to release politically dammaging info in the run up to an election. Besides, as I recall, Durham or his staff were not co-operating. And although there was pressure to release an interim report, nothing was ready (as I recall).

Except a "political operative" would have done so.

*And although there was pressure to release an interim report, nothing was ready*

As far back as late Oct. 2019 we knew Durham's investigation had become a criminal investigation, so yes, there were certain details that could have been released, but weren't.

TheLiquidGuy
03-22-2021, 06:58 AM
Except a "political operative" would have done so.
not a good one.
(I cant believe you are about to pick another losing fight. Do you do it in purpose? :) )


*And although there was pressure to release an interim report, nothing was ready*As far back as late Oct. 2019 we knew Durham's investigation had become a criminal investigation, so yes, there were certain details that could have been released, but weren't.
How do you know the leak about it becoming a criminal investigation was not Barr’s attempted surprise? October, you say? Late October, even? How do we know that Durham et al did not refuse to co operate in politicizing the investigation?


(p.s. the Durham report is going to be disappointing.)

hanger4
03-22-2021, 07:26 AM
not a good one.
(I cant believe you are about to pick another losing fight. Do you do it in purpose? :) )


How do you know the leak about it becoming a criminal investigation was not Barr’s attempted surprise? October, you say? Late October, even? How do we know that Durham et al did not refuse to co operate in politicizing the investigation?


(p.s. the Durham report is going to be disappointing.)

*How do you know the leak about it becoming a criminal investigation was not Barr’s attempted surprise*

A year before the 2020 elections ?? Seriously TLG ??

MMC
03-22-2021, 08:02 AM
*How do you know the leak about it becoming a criminal investigation was not Barr’s attempted surprise*

A year before the 2020 elections ?? Seriously TLG ??

Cmon now......you knew he would deflect to other issues concerning Barr. Liquids assumes because there is a perceived dispute about the Chinese, that he can play on that. To bad an Inspector General Weighed in.


But he really can't.



From The Washington Examiner: (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/intelligence-analysts-downplayed-election-interference-trump-inspector)

Politicization problems exist in U.S. spy agency assessments on foreign influence in the 2020 U.S. election, including analysts who appeared to hold back information on Chinese meddling efforts because they disagreed with the Trump administration’s policies, according to an intelligence community inspector.


Barry Zulauf, an analytic ombudsman and longtime intelligence official, issued a 14-page report obtained by the Washington Examiner to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday, revealing his investigation was “conducted in response to IC complaints regarding the election threat issue.” In addition, he lamented the “polarized atmosphere has threatened to undermine the foundations of our Republic, penetrating even into the Intelligence Community.”


The intelligence community’s classified assessment on foreign influence in the 2020 election, which will not focus on claims of mail-in fraud or unfounded allegations of voting machines flipping millions of votes, was also submitted to Congress on Thursday. Expected in December, the assessment was delayed as senior intelligence officials clashed over the role played by China, and as director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe sought to include more viewpoints in the final analysis.


“Given analytic differences in the way Russia and China analysts examined their targets, China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence or interference. The analysts appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward because they tend to disagree with the administration’s policies, saying in effect, I don’t want our intelligence used to support those policies,” Zulauf concluded, saying this behavior violated analytic standards requiring independence from political considerations.....snip~



Inspector: Intel Analysts Downplayed China's Election ... (https://thepalmierireport.com/inspector-intel-analysts-downplayed-chinas-election-meddling-efforts/)
https://thepalmierireport.com/inspector-intel...
Jan 08, 2021 · According to a new report from The Washington Examiner, Intel Analysts downplayed China’s influence in the 2020 election. Exclusive: IC report concluded “China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence” in 2020 election & “appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward” b/c they disagreed w/ Trump admin policies.


Its a Dead issue.....China interfered. Russia Interfered and even Iran Interfered. Its a reality that Liquids refuses to believe.

donttread
03-23-2021, 05:43 AM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-didnt-interfere-in-2020-election-us-intel-report-says-2021-3




Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.


37 Second Clip starting at 0:12

https://youtu.be/H6YVCHcOYuQ?list=TLPQMTkwMzIwMjFY_x4B1THPgw&t=12




Told ya. He always was a political operative.


At first he sounded good about getting after the dictator governors and anti trust against the media giants hijacking America.

Then when he didn't move on what he said he'd do I thought naw he's all talk

Finally I realized he was a swamp plant who's job it was to delay these necessary actions

donttread
04-09-2021, 07:13 AM
You really should pay more attention to the bullshit you try to feed everyone here.

That report was released how long ago?

Barr made the statement you posted... when?


The jury is in now and Barr was a swamp plant, he delayed action on media anti-trust and the abuse of power of the dictator governors knowing that if Biden was awarded the whiter house those things would be much more difficult to challenge.

donttread
04-09-2021, 07:17 AM
Your telling me China did not try to interfere in the election? LOL

Everyone tries to interfere in our election.The UK, Israel, France...They all want a certain result that benefits them.
Anyone that says China did not without at least a qualifier is a liar in my book. The only question is where, how and to what degree.
In turn we saw Obama interfere in Brexit and with the Israeli election as examples of where we do the same.

We all spy on each other as well.


I'm guessing we have done far more to influence foreign elections than the world combined has done to us. The real threat to our elections was always tyrfanny from within which I will point out happened even as we fought about external influences.

donttread
05-03-2021, 11:39 AM
A newly declassified intelligence report reveals that there was no attempt by China to interfere in 2020 election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-didnt-interfere-in-2020-election-us-intel-report-says-2021-3




Now listen to Barr outright lie to the public about it in September 2020.


37 Second Clip starting at 0:12

https://youtu.be/H6YVCHcOYuQ?list=TLPQMTkwMzIwMjFY_x4B1THPgw&t=12




Told ya. He always was a political operative.


Trying to increase racial tension? We did not need China for that. The DNC has done a much better job than they could have.
I have long said that Barr was all talk then I realized that he was worse than that. A bi-partisan swamp plant who's place was to talk tough and stall. He was going to get after the dictator governors but never tried to, he was going to address media and SM obvious anti-trust violations. But he had no real inbtent to. and by the time the snake in grass's motives were apaprent it was too late.

TheLiquidGuy
05-03-2021, 12:08 PM
Your telling me China did not try to interfere in the election? LOL

No. The intelligence community consensus is telling you.

carolina73
05-03-2021, 12:25 PM
No. The intelligence community consensus is telling you.
I could care less what the Deep State says.

I don't trust liars and they qualify as the worst of the worst.


I can remember the last time they sold the term consensus of the Intelligence agencies. All 17 of the 16 that included the Coast Guard and the DEA about Russia Russia Russia. Later Brennan said it was 3 and they turned out to be the ones behind the fraud.

TheLiquidGuy
05-03-2021, 01:32 PM
I could care less what the Deep State says.

I don't trust liars and they qualify as the worst of the worst.


I can remember the last time they sold the term consensus of the Intelligence agencies. All 17 of the 16 that included the Coast Guard and the DEA about Russia Russia Russia. Later Brennan said it was 3 and they turned out to be the ones behind the fraud.

Yep, line seven of the creed kicks in.


Republican Creed

News is fake
Polls are fake
Statistics are fake
Science is fake
Judges are rigged
Elections are rigged
Career civil servants are deep state
What you're seeing and hearing is not really happening
Believe us. Only us.

donttread
05-08-2021, 08:17 AM
Cmon now......you knew he would deflect to other issues concerning Barr. Liquids assumes because there is a perceived dispute about the Chinese, that he can play on that. To bad an Inspector General Weighed in.


But he really can't.



From The Washington Examiner: (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/intelligence-analysts-downplayed-election-interference-trump-inspector)



Politicization problems exist in U.S. spy agency assessments on foreign influence in the 2020 U.S. election, including analysts who appeared to hold back information on Chinese meddling efforts because they disagreed with the Trump administration’s policies, according to an intelligence community inspector.


Barry Zulauf, an analytic ombudsman and longtime intelligence official, issued a 14-page report obtained by the Washington Examiner to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday, revealing his investigation was “conducted in response to IC complaints regarding the election threat issue.” In addition, he lamented the “polarized atmosphere has threatened to undermine the foundations of our Republic, penetrating even into the Intelligence Community.”


The intelligence community’s classified assessment on foreign influence in the 2020 election, which will not focus on claims of mail-in fraud or unfounded allegations of voting machines flipping millions of votes, was also submitted to Congress on Thursday. Expected in December, the assessment was delayed as senior intelligence officials clashed over the role played by China, and as director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe sought to include more viewpoints in the final analysis.


“Given analytic differences in the way Russia and China analysts examined their targets, China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence or interference. The analysts appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward because they tend to disagree with the administration’s policies, saying in effect, I don’t want our intelligence used to support those policies,” Zulauf concluded, saying this behavior violated analytic standards requiring independence from political considerations.....snip~



Inspector: Intel Analysts Downplayed China's Election ... (https://thepalmierireport.com/inspector-intel-analysts-downplayed-chinas-election-meddling-efforts/)


https://thepalmierireport.com/inspector-intel...
Jan 08, 2021 · According to a new report from The Washington Examiner, Intel Analysts downplayed China’s influence in the 2020 election. Exclusive: IC report concluded “China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence” in 2020 election & “appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward” b/c they disagreed w/ Trump admin policies.


Its a Dead issue.....China interfered. Russia Interfered and even Iran Interfered. Its a reality that Liquids refuses to believe.


We all interfere in each other's elections. That's the least of the intrusive things the CIA does for example. We can fix that by pardon the term "defunding political spending" Limit it, stop any tax advantages associated with it. Give the top 5 or more parties an equal chance to get their message out by setting campaign spending limits low enough where they can compete with each other with no need for or use for shady investments foreign or domestic. This would however damage the lucrative influence for sale industry in Washington as well as the Donkephant stranglehold.
I used to think AG Barr was just all talk until I realized he was just a swamp plant.

MMC
05-08-2021, 08:27 AM
We all interfere in each other's elections. That's the least of the intrusive things the CIA does for example. We can fix that by pardon the term "defunding political spending" Limit it, stop any tax advantages associated with it. Give the top 5 or more parties an equal chance to get their message out by setting campaign spending limits low enough where they can compete with each other with no need for or use for shady investments foreign or domestic. This would however damage the lucrative influence for sale industry in Washington as well as the Donkephant stranglehold.
I used to think AG Barr was just all talk until I realized he was just a swamp plant.

It would be better if outside state spending could be ended. Let the people of whatever state be the ones to spend the money for their own State's Election. Start there.

DGUtley
05-08-2021, 08:29 AM
We all interfere in each other's elections. That's the least of the intrusive things the CIA does for example. We can fix that by pardon the term "defunding political spending" Limit it, stop any tax advantages associated with it. Give the top 5 or more parties an equal chance to get their message out by setting campaign spending limits low enough where they can compete with each other with no need for or use for shady investments foreign or domestic. This would however damage the lucrative influence for sale industry in Washington as well as the Donkephant stranglehold. I used to think AG Barr was just all talk until I realized he was just a swamp plant.

It would also violate the First Amendment.

jet57
06-03-2021, 06:01 AM
But Mueller was not when he dragged out his Nothing Burger investigation in order to affect the midterm election?

When he knew all along he had NOTHING, and cost the tax payers a $#@!load......................

Why do you think it’s necessary to lie like that? Do you think people are going to believe it? That it makes you sound smart?

donttread
06-03-2021, 07:49 AM
Why do you think it’s necessary to lie like that? Do you think people are going to believe it? That it makes you sound smart?



Congressional hearings, government investigating government , Impeachment procedings. Is all theather. Distract the public while bipartisian corruption continues.

jet57
06-03-2021, 09:06 AM
Congressional hearings, government investigating government , Impeachment procedings. Is all theather. Distract the public while bipartisian corruption continues.

“Muller” didn’t trot out anything. He was ordered to do a job. So to say anything else about it is flat out lying.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 09:41 AM
“Muller” didn’t trot out anything. He was ordered to do a job. So to say anything else about it is flat out lying.

Team Mueller knew early on there was no conspiracy or coordination and spent the majority of their time attempting to prove OoJ concerning a crime that didn't happen.

TheLiquidGuy
06-03-2021, 10:10 AM
Team Mueller knew early on there was no conspiracy or coordination and spent the majority of their time attempting to prove OoJ concerning a crime that didn't happen.

Campaign chairman Paul Manafort gave valuable internal polling data to Russian spies. If he knew that they were gonna use that to interfere in the election, he would have been indicted. Manafort's behavior alone can justify the full investigation.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 10:16 AM
Campaign chairman Paul Manafort gave valuable internal polling data to Russian spies. If he knew that they were gonna use that to interfere in the election, he would have been indicted. Manafort's behavior alone can justify the full investigation.

So you say, yet Team Mueller knew Kilimnik was connected to Russian intelligence, yet .........

TheLiquidGuy
06-03-2021, 10:57 AM
So you say, yet Team Mueller knew Kilimnik was connected to Russian intelligence, yet .........
Proving Manafort knew that was what was needed. Proving someone's mental state is a high bar.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 11:12 AM
Proving Manafort knew that was what was needed. Proving someone's mental state is a high bar.

Then whether or not Manafort gave non classified easily procured data to anyone is irrelevant.

TheLiquidGuy
06-03-2021, 11:14 AM
Then whether or not Manafort gave non classified easily procured data to anyone is irrelevant.

His mental state was needed for a conviction, not for justifying the investigation.

carolina73
06-03-2021, 12:07 PM
Why do you think it’s necessary to lie like that? Do you think people are going to believe it? That it makes you sound smart?
He was being honest. What special prosecutor does not do that. It is a deep well of money that rarely produces anything but harassment.

jet57
06-03-2021, 05:58 PM
He was being honest. What special prosecutor does not do that. It is a deep well of money that rarely produces anything but harassment.

Not always, but when the chief investigator's hands are tied, not much of an investigation is going to happen.

jet57
06-03-2021, 06:05 PM
Team Mueller knew early on there was no conspiracy or coordination and spent the majority of their time attempting to prove OoJ concerning a crime that didn't happen.

There was criminal behavior from Trump's people and Mueller knew it. Guilty please were made, people ratted each other out and prison terms were handed out. Trump is as dirty as any garbage can be. Now his website is down, he lives in shame and now New York is after him. So good luck defending him.

MisterVeritis
06-03-2021, 06:07 PM
There was criminal behavior from Trump's people and Mueller knew it. Guilty please were made, people ratted each other out and prison terms were handed out. Trump is as dirty as any garbage can be. Now his website is down, he lives in shame and now New York is after him. So good luck defending him.
None of this is true.

Mueller knew there was no Trump-Russia collusion from the beginning. Mueller was a dirty cop by choice, from the beginning.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 06:51 PM
There was criminal behavior from Trump's people and Mueller knew it. Guilty please were made, people ratted each other out and prison terms were handed out. Trump is as dirty as any garbage can be. Now his website is down, he lives in shame and now New York is after him. So good luck defending him.

Absolutely none of those pleas had anything to do with conspiracy collusion or coordination with Russian actors in an attempt to win 2016's presidential election.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 07:30 PM
Not always, but when the chief investigator's hands are tied, not much of an investigation is going to happen.

I missed this post jet57, how were Team Mueller's hands tied ??

carolina73
06-03-2021, 07:39 PM
Not always, but when the chief investigator's hands are tied, not much of an investigation is going to happen.

Same thing with the case of Scooter Libby.
Fitzgerald knew he was putting a innocent person in jail but didn't care. The cost was millions.
David M. Barrett spent 21 million going after Cisneros.
Ken Starr spent over 16 million.

Nobody got anything except for Fitzgerald getting the wrong guy.

These are huge spread the wealth games for government officials.

countryboy
06-03-2021, 07:41 PM
He was being honest. What special prosecutor does not do that. It is a deep well of money that rarely produces anything but harassment.

This is Jet's new schtick, no matter what you say, or what evidence you provide, he is now proclaiming it is a "lie".

hanger4
06-03-2021, 07:51 PM
Same thing with the case of Scooter Libby.
Fitzgerald knew he was putting a innocent person in jail but didn't care. The cost was millions.
David M. Barrett spent 21 million going after Cisneros.
Ken Starr spent over 16 million.

Nobody got anything except for Fitzgerald getting the wrong guy.

These are huge spread the wealth games for government officials.

And Fitzgerald knew it was Armitage that leaked to Novak within a few days if not hours after being appointed Special Prosecutor.

donttread
06-03-2021, 07:53 PM
“Muller” didn’t trot out anything. He was ordered to do a job. So to say anything else about it is flat out lying.

He's just another actor in that theater is he not?

jet57
06-03-2021, 08:16 PM
I missed this post jet57, how were Team Mueller's hands tied ??

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-mueller-announces-resignation-from-justice-department

jet57
06-03-2021, 08:18 PM
He's just another actor in that theater is he not?

No, he's a soldier.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 08:20 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-mueller-announces-resignation-from-justice-department

*Mueller: My Hands Were Tied on Charging Trump*

^^ Had nothing to do with the investigation, also Team Mueller could have made a referral concerning OoJ, instead they played politics.

jet57
06-03-2021, 08:22 PM
Absolutely none of those pleas had anything to do with conspiracy collusion or coordination with Russian actors in an attempt to win 2016's presidential election.

Yeah, the GOP saw to that didn't they. The verdict is in; Trump is dirty and that's that.

jet57
06-03-2021, 08:23 PM
*mueller: My hands were tied on charging trump*

^^ had nothing to do with the investigation, also team mueller could have made a referral concerning ooj, instead they played politics.


mueller said it was because his hands were tied by justice department policy that forbids indictment of a sitting president—a statement already being interpreted as an invitation for congress to impeach trump.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 08:28 PM
Yeah, the GOP saw to that didn't they. The verdict is in; Trump is dirty and that's that.

No, Team Mueller saw to that, remember, "did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination. Do try and keep up.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 08:33 PM
Whether or not he could indict a sitting President had nothing to do with completing a through investigation. You're flailing about now jet57.

carolina73
06-03-2021, 09:23 PM
*Mueller: My Hands Were Tied on Charging Trump*

^^ Had nothing to do with the investigation, also Team Mueller could have made a referral concerning OoJ, instead they played politics.
Mueller could not even remember who Fusion GPS was but 2 years later he is having revelations?

Someone probably wrote this for him.

hanger4
06-03-2021, 09:34 PM
Mueller could not even remember who Fusion GPS was but 2 years later he is having revelations?

Someone probably wrote this for him.

When Mueller indicated he didn't know of Fusion GPS that pretty much told all the Mueller investigation was in name only. Tis why I refer it as Team Mueller. As far as honesty by Team Mueller, that went out the window when revelations appeared that they withheld exculpatory evidence in the Flynn case. One wonders what else they withheld or lied about throughout the investigation.

carolina73
06-03-2021, 09:46 PM
When Mueller indicated he didn't know of Fusion GPS that pretty much told all the Mueller investigation was in name only. Tis why I refer it as Team Mueller. As far as honesty by Team Mueller, that went out the window when revelations appeared that they withheld exculpatory evidence in the Flynn case. One wonders what else they withheld or lied about throughout the investigation.
I missed the date on Jet's article was already 2 years old but the conclusion still stands that someone that does not know the major source of his own case is not involved in the case or his mind is not functioning.

jet57
06-04-2021, 11:10 AM
Absolutely none of those pleas had anything to do with conspiracy collusion or coordination with Russian actors in an attempt to win 2016's presidential election.

Mueller cleaned out Trump's baggage of crooked people. Trump bracing the Ukrainian president to cheat for him in the 2020 election came out loud and clear.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 11:44 AM
Mueller cleaned out Trump's baggage of crooked people. Trump bracing the Ukrainian president to cheat for him in the 2020 election came out loud and clear.

Cohen and Manafort were already dirty and got caught yet still no conspiracy or coordination. Does all that spinning make you dizzy jet57 or are you use to now ??

jet57
06-04-2021, 02:42 PM
Cohen and Manafort were already dirty and got caught yet still no conspiracy or coordination. Does all that spinning make you dizzy jet57 or are you use to now ??

They were Trump people.

jet57
06-04-2021, 02:50 PM
*Mueller: My Hands Were Tied on Charging Trump*

^^ Had nothing to do with the investigation, also Team Mueller could have made a referral concerning OoJ, instead they played politics.

Had everything to do with it dude. Barr crippled the investigation to save Trump. Trump and Barr are gone and Trump's people went to jail.

Enough said.

jet57
06-04-2021, 02:52 PM
Whether or not he could indict a sitting President had nothing to do with completing a through investigation. You're flailing about now jet57.

You're willfully being untruthful and you know it.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 04:10 PM
They were Trump people.

Woop

hanger4
06-04-2021, 04:13 PM
Had everything to do with it dude. Barr crippled the investigation to save Trump. Trump and Barr are gone and Trump's people went to jail.

Enough said.

It had absolutely nothing to do with the investigation.

How did Barr cripple the investigation, why didn't Team Mueller complain ??

No, not enough said.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 04:19 PM
You're willfully being untruthful and you know it.

Apparently you believe that because the DoJ won't indict a sitting President, (the House Majority responsibility) Team Mueller was incompetent in preforming their duties. Do tell jet57 ??

BTW, your lack of basic civics doesn't make me untruthful, it makes you uninformed.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 05:28 PM
This is Jet's new schtick, no matter what you say, or what evidence you provide, he is now proclaiming it is a "lie".
I have found this tactic (if you want to call it that) most prevalent among Republicans. The Republican creed in my signature is just a set of different ways to deny the truth.

both sides claim to own the truth. But only one side is regularly rejecting the longstanding arbiters of it. This is why the country is in danger.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 05:37 PM
*Mueller: My Hands Were Tied on Charging Trump*

^^ Had nothing to do with the investigation, also Team Mueller could have made a referral concerning OoJ, instead they played politics.
IIRC, Mueller was forbiden to investigate Trumps finances, which is usually the easiest was to catch criminals.

Also, Mueller did not do a counter-intelligence investigation, he only looked for illegal behavior (while not being allowed to look into finances).

hands tied.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 05:42 PM
No, Team Mueller saw to that, remember, "did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination. Do try and keep up.

Why don’t you ever quote that full sentence? Are you being vague intentionally?

Mueller only “did not establish” conspiracy. He did not make this statement for obstruction.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 05:48 PM
When Mueller indicated he didn't know of Fusion GPS that pretty much told all the Mueller investigation was in name only. Tis why I refer it as Team Mueller. As far as honesty by Team Mueller, that went out the window when revelations appeared that they withheld exculpatory evidence in the Flynn case. One wonders what else they withheld or lied about throughout the investigation.
Lies.

Team Mueller withheld no evidence in the Flynn case. To this day there have never been any sanctions, or even rebukes. There have only been filings by the defense. No action.

Say its been sunny outside for weeks. If today it is also not raining outside and i fail to tell you it’s not raining outside, that doesn’t mean i am withholding information from you about the weather. You ought to know its sunny.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 06:05 PM
IIRC, Mueller was forbiden to investigate Trumps finances, which is usually the easiest was to catch criminals.

Also, Mueller did not do a counter-intelligence investigation, he only looked for illegal behavior (while not being allowed to look into finances).

hands tied.

*IIRC, Mueller was forbiden to investigate Trumps finances, which is usually the easiest was to catch criminals.*

The House Financial Services and Intelligence committees were investigating that, they even subpoenaed Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup, about Trumps business dealings, finances and potential Russian money laundering. I guess nothing came of it.

countryboy
06-04-2021, 06:06 PM
I have found this tactic (if you want to call it that) most prevalent among Republicans. .

No you haven't.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 06:07 PM
Why don’t you ever quote that full sentence? Are you being vague intentionally?

Mueller only “did not establish” conspiracy. He did not make this statement for obstruction.

Why don't you post the entire sentence and tell me how that independent clause changes ??

hanger4
06-04-2021, 06:11 PM
Lies.

Team Mueller withheld no evidence in the Flynn case. To this day there have never been any sanctions, or even rebukes. There have only been filings by the defense. No action.

Say its been sunny outside for weeks. If today it is also not raining outside and i fail to tell you it’s not raining outside, that doesn’t mean i am withholding information from you about the weather. You ought to know its sunny.

The DOJ submitted the exculpatory evidence to Judge Sullivan when they drop all charges against Flynn.

We've been over this countless times TLG.

I don't lie.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 07:49 PM
Why don't you post the entire sentence and tell me how that independent clause changes ??
Here is the entire sentence.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."


Highlighting my favorite parts


Didn't realize that you were specific this time. I guess i got used to you just quoting those three words all the time without context.


Good job.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 07:57 PM
The DOJ submitted the exculpatory evidence to Judge Sullivan when they drop all charges against Flynn.

We've been over this countless times TLG.

I don't lie.

No rebuke. no sanctions. no biggie.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 08:10 PM
Here is the entire sentence.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."


Highlighting my favorite parts


Didn't realize that you were specific this time. I guess i got used to you just quoting those three words all the time without context.


Good job.

Nothing you highlighted changes the last part of the sentence which is an independent clause;

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Get use to it, "did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 08:12 PM
No rebuke. no sanctions. no biggie.

Withholding exculpatory evidence is prosecutorial malfeasance, the evidence of malfeasance is irrefutable.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 08:52 PM
Withholding exculpatory evidence is prosecutorial malfeasance, the evidence of malfeasance is irrefutable.
No one withheld evidence that it was NOT raining.


And no one cared.

TheLiquidGuy
06-04-2021, 09:05 PM
Nothing you highlighted changes the last part of the sentence which is an independent clause;

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Get use to it, "did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination.

Ya, ya. Like I already said, good job for not generalizing, this time.


Funny that Mueller did not say such a thing for obstruction. :)

hanger4
06-04-2021, 09:07 PM
No one withheld evidence that it was NOT raining.


And no one cared.

You run with that TLG, I'll stick to the facts.

hanger4
06-04-2021, 09:12 PM
Ya, ya. Like I already said, good job for not generalizing, this time.


Funny that Mueller did not say such a thing for obstruction. :)

Yup, he punted and played politics with OoJ. Oh, BTW, so did the House Majority.

TheLiquidGuy
06-05-2021, 04:09 AM
You run with that TLG, I'll stick to the facts.
Everything I said was a fact. If someone withheld evidence there would have been action. There wasn't.

We can argue all day about if there was misconduct. We don't get to make the call. Not me. Not you. The judge does. It's been decided. But like most Republicans, you are gonna stick to the creed and reject results. Results from polls, elections, stats, and judges.



No rebuke.
No sanctions.
No one cared.
No there there.

donttread
06-05-2021, 06:54 AM
All of the congressional led hearings and investigations of the past few years were pure theather, distractions from the miserable job most politicians do and to whip up the bases. Lots of money, lots of congressional and federal time even during a crisis and for what? A couple of mid levels convicted ? One pardoned and the other on probation? None of this was EVER going anywhere. and I've said that right along.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 07:28 AM
Everything I said was a fact. If someone withheld evidence there would have been action. There wasn't.

We can argue all day about if there was misconduct. We don't get to make the call. Not me. Not you. The judge does. It's been decided. But like most Republicans, you are gonna stick to the creed and reject results. Results from polls, elections, stats, and judges.



No rebuke.
No sanctions.
No one cared.
No there there.

It may behove you to wait till The Durham investigation releases it's report before passing judgment.

I have no doubt we'll both be disappointed.

TheLiquidGuy
06-05-2021, 11:32 AM
It may behove you to wait till The Durham investigation releases it's report before passing judgment.

I have no doubt we'll both be disappointed.
Whatever mole hill Durham comes out with, Republicans will make mountains of it. The rehashing of an FBI lawyer misconduct will kick it off and probably move on to all the other already discussed complaints. It will be nothing new.

jet57
06-05-2021, 11:33 AM
Woop
Yeah, Trump people were crooks who went to jail.

jet57
06-05-2021, 11:35 AM
It had absolutely nothing to do with the investigation.

How did Barr cripple the investigation, why didn't Team Mueller complain ??

No, not enough said.

Barr crippled the investigation.

jet57
06-05-2021, 11:37 AM
Apparently you believe that because the DoJ won't indict a sitting President, (the House Majority responsibility) Team Mueller was incompetent in preforming their duties. Do tell jet57 ??

BTW, your lack of basic civics doesn't make me untruthful, it makes you uninformed.

A sitting president could have been indicted. That's what would have happened to Nixon.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 11:37 AM
yeah, trump people were crooks who went to jail.

2 ??? Omg omg

jet57
06-05-2021, 11:38 AM
2 ??? Omg omg

Stupid thing to say.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 11:38 AM
Barr crippled the investigation.

Why are you avoiding the question ?? How ??

jet57
06-05-2021, 11:52 AM
Why are you avoiding the question ?? How ??

Now What cleared that con fusion up for you. Mueller's abilities to investigate Trump's financials were crippled when Barr narrowed the scope of the investigation. The same way that Mcconnell is narrowing the scope of the investigation of the Jan 6th insurrection. It's obstruction to keep all the facts from being revealed. If Trump, his thugs and Republicans were indeed innocent then they would not obstruct.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 12:01 PM
A sitting president could have been indicted. That's what would have happened to Nixon.

More bullshit from jet57. The grand jury indicted the Watergate 7 and the Special Prosecutor convinced the same that a sitting President could not be indicted until they left office. That's a responsibility of the House of Representatives.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 12:01 PM
Stupid thing to say.

Right back atcha

hanger4
06-05-2021, 12:12 PM
Now What cleared that con fusion up for you. Mueller's abilities to investigate Trump's financials were crippled when Barr narrowed the scope of the investigation. The same way that Mcconnell is narrowing the scope of the investigation of the Jan 6th insurrection. It's obstruction to keep all the facts from being revealed. If Trump, his thugs and Republicans were indeed innocent then they would not obstruct.

Alright refuted;


The House Financial Services and Intelligence committees were investigating that, they even subpoenaed Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup, about Trumps business dealings, finances and potential Russian money laundering. I guess nothing came of it.

McConnell and the Repubs are trying to broaden the scope not narrow. :facepalm: Probably best not to put to much weight on what Now_What says.

jet57
06-05-2021, 09:25 PM
Alright refuted;



McConnell and the Repubs are trying to broaden the scope not narrow. :facepalm: Probably best not to put to much weight on what Now_What says.

Uh, congressional investigation, special prosecutor investigation: two different investigations. So, not refuted.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 09:36 PM
Uh, congressional investigation, special prosecutor investigation: two different investigations. So, not refuted.

Trump's financials were investigated jet57, so yes, refuted.

jet57
06-05-2021, 09:44 PM
Trump's financials were investigated jet57, so yes, refuted.

Uh, they never got the financials dude.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 09:57 PM
Uh, they never got the financials dude.

So, the various subpoenas issued to the list of financial institutions were all denied ?? How do you know this ??

jet57
06-05-2021, 10:09 PM
So, the various subpoenas issued to the list of financial institutions were all denied ?? How do you know this ??
Trump's paperwork was denied.

hanger4
06-05-2021, 10:19 PM
Trump's paperwork was denied.

I've already asked you how do know this, answer the question ??

jet57
06-05-2021, 10:22 PM
I've already asked you how do know this, answer the question ??
Start here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-blocking-congress/

The Booman
06-05-2021, 10:23 PM
I've already asked you how do know this, answer the question ??

Asking Jet to answer a question is like asking Clinton to keep his pants zipped.

hanger4
06-06-2021, 05:13 AM
Start here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-blocking-congress/

Try no paywalls

TheLiquidGuy
06-06-2021, 06:58 AM
Trump's financials were investigated jet57, so yes, refuted.
Congress did subpoena Trumps finances, yes. But SCOTUS never held up the subpoena. Trump’s finances were NOT investigated.

TheLiquidGuy
06-06-2021, 07:11 AM
Try no paywalls
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/09/supreme-court-trump-tax-records.html

stjames1_53
06-06-2021, 07:39 AM
Congress did subpoena Trumps finances, yes. But SCOTUS never held up the subpoena. Trump’s finances were NOT investigated.

Yes they have been. And quite thoroughly by some of the meanest mother fuckers on the planet.
They prowl through his records with a fine-toothed comb, twice hourly. And you're claiming to be better at their job than they are. If that's the case, why aren't you working from them? Their efforts require a team, and there might be a spot for you.
Fishing for a crime is illegal. You seek to take something legal and make it illegal for someone other than yourself.
"Point out any man, and I'll find a crime!" Pappa Joe Stalin
How Stalinesque of you..........

hanger4
06-06-2021, 08:04 AM
Congress did subpoena Trumps finances, yes. But SCOTUS never held up the subpoena. Trump’s finances were NOT investigated.

But were the subpoenas issued by the House Majority to the various financial institutions refused or rejected ??

TheLiquidGuy
06-06-2021, 11:35 AM
But were the subpoenas issued by the House Majority to the various financial institutions refused or rejected ??
i dont know what your question is. And i don’t know what it matters.

The point is that Trumps financial ties to Russia were not investigated.

hanger4
06-06-2021, 12:23 PM
i dont know what your question is. And i don’t know what it matters.

The point is that Trumps financial ties to Russia were not investigated.


*IIRC, Mueller was forbiden to investigate Trumps finances, which is usually the easiest was to catch criminals.*

The House Financial Services and Intelligence committees were investigating that, they even subpoenaed Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup, about Trumps business dealings, finances and potential Russian money laundering. I guess nothing came of it.

That quote was in response to you LTG several pages back.

TheLiquidGuy
06-06-2021, 02:43 PM
That quote was in response to you LTG several pages back.
And as we now know, their investigation was road blocked. No one investigated Trumps financial connections

stjames1_53
06-06-2021, 02:53 PM
And as we now know, their investigation was road blocked. No one investigated Trumps financial connections
There was, and is, no reason to.
Fishing expedition is unlawful. You need solid proof of wrongdoing.
And even if they could get their hands on them, to release them to the public would be disastrous for any prosecutor.
but why are you so fixated on Trump? Why aren't you banging your drum about Joe*?
It's guys like you that claims to know certain truths about Trump's business, that can't prove shit.

BenjaminO
06-06-2021, 04:00 PM
There was, and is, no reason to.
Fishing expedition is unlawful. You need solid proof of wrongdoing.
And even if they could get their hands on them, to release them to the public would be disastrous for any prosecutor.
but why are you so fixated on Trump? Why aren't you banging your drum about Joe*?
It's guys like you that claims to know certain truths about Trump's business, that can't prove shit.
Proof of wrongdoing.
What a concept.
And yet, with no proof of wrongdoing, you want these crazy "audits" to continue.
60+ courts threw out your claims of "wrongdoing".
Sheesh
And you can't prove shit about Joe.
You people are hypocrites.

TheLiquidGuy
06-06-2021, 10:12 PM
Proof of wrongdoing.
What a concept.
And yet, with no proof of wrongdoing, you want these crazy "audits" to continue.
60+ courts threw out your claims of "wrongdoing".
Sheesh
And you can't prove shit about Joe.
You people are hypocrites.
This is not a fishing expedition.
Michael Cohen gave them enough reason to believe Trump's org was doing bad things. But even before Cohen, there was enough reason believe.

stjames1_53
06-07-2021, 06:10 AM
This is not a fishing expedition.
Michael Cohen gave them enough reason to believe Trump's org was doing bad things. But even before Cohen, there was enough reason believe.
Cohen? The disgraced lawyer who went to prison for fraud?
Right. He's a reliable witness. Where's his proof?
He's as reliable as Avenatti