Is the 4th. of July a White Holiday?

[count markovalley]

This question is something few bother to ask. It dawned on me that years ago when I attended fireworks and hotdog celebrations at various public locations ,I never saw Blacks in attendance. With only a few exceptions ,the majority were Whites.

Then it occurred to me that Blacks never attended the Beatles performances ; nor did they think Elvis was worth watching.
While Frank Sinatra was pro black, blacks had little good to say about BLUE EYES and were not impressed by his singing.

It also seems that Blacks only enjoy their own celebrities and that's understandable.

But ,do we have two people enjoying their own separate cultures ? Or do we have two separate peoples having nothing in common?

The broader question is ;should we be surprised that blacks seem to be unable to conform to a culture they had nothing to do in its creation or formation.?

Could this be the reason why few blacks graduate?

[TheInternet]

We have multiple cultures trying to live amongst each other. Multiculturalism always fails.

Blacks graduate at rates lower than whites for many reasons. Worse home lives, parents that didn't graduate, culture, lower intelligence, shittier schools, etc.

[Chris]

No.

The roots of rock and roll like Beatles, Elvis, is black music.

[Ravi]

What an idiot.

[countryboy]

This has got to be one of the most retarded thread topics I have ever seen. And that's saying a lot.

[count markovalley]

No.

The roots of rock and roll like Beatles, Elvis, is black music.

That's an interesting point. Whites have no problem in conforming to a few African-American music styles.

White jazz performers , rappers and rock n rollers . but blacks resent whites horning in on something they believed they developed. but often ,they didn't.
But ,more importantly ,they pay little homage to gifted white singers and performers. Blacks would much rather some low budget grade b movie if the hero was black than watch an exceptional performance on the screen by a truly gifted white actor. They can't relate to white culture ,so why force them?

[count markovalley]

in all fairness ,africans celebrate juneteenth,[emancipation day] With watermellon and yes;the conspicuous KFC buckets by the truckload. Let's be fair now.. and give credit where credit is due.

[Chris]

We have multiple cultures trying to live amongst each other. Multiculturalism always fails.

Blacks graduate at rates lower than whites for many reasons. Worse home lives, parents that didn't graduate, culture, lower intelligence, shittier schools, etc.


We have multiple cultures trying to live amongst each other. Multiculturalism always fails.

I look at it a bit differently by distinguishing natural and designed integration and assimilation. Living side by side cultures tend to mix naturally, changing each other, perhaps forming a new culture. The emergence of rock and roll from folk and blues roots just one example. Designed, planned, forced integration tends to fail. Setting immigration policy to bring in cheap labor is likely to lead to culture clashes.

[Chris]

That's an interesting point. Whites have no problem in conforming to a few African-American music styles.

White jazz performers , rappers and rock n rollers . but blacks resent whites horning in on something they believed they developed. but often ,they didn't.
But ,more importantly ,they pay little homage to gifted white singers and performers. Blacks would much rather some low budget grade b movie if the hero was black than watch an exceptional performance on the screen by a truly gifted white actor. They can't relate to white culture ,so why force them?

It goes both ways, blacks and whites influencing each other. Bob Dylan combines old blues forms in songs covered by blacks. Eric Clapton brings BB King on stage to honor him. See it all over. A new culture emerges.

As I commented to Internet, forcing cultures together is likely to fail, just as much as forcing them apart.

[TheInternet]

I look at it a bit differently by distinguishing natural and designed integration and assimilation. Living side by side cultures tend to mix naturally, changing each other, perhaps forming a new culture. The emergence of rock and roll from folk and blues roots just one example. Designed, planned, forced integration tends to fail. Setting immigration policy to bring in cheap labor is likely to lead to culture clashes.

Youre probably correct. Similar cultures assimilate. I think we are almost seeing divergence btwn AA and Caucasians in the US.

[TheInternet]

This has got to be one of the most retarded thread topics I have ever seen. And that's saying a lot.

Whats retarded about it? Why, specifically, is the difference btwn cultures not worth discussing on a political forum?

[Chris]

Youre probably correct. Similar cultures assimilate. I think we are almost seeing divergence btwn AA and Caucasians in the US.

My examples are all blacks and whites converging in new blues, folk and rock. Eminem is a good rapper.

[KC]

What an idiot.

Please refrain from making comments like these about other members. Thanks.

[Chris]

This has got to be one of the most retarded thread topics I have ever seen. And that's saying a lot.

The topic could be made interesting.

[TheInternet]

My examples are all blacks and whites converging in new blues, folk and rock. Eminem is a good rapper.

I don't think ancedoctal evidence in the music industry is sufficient to claim assimilation is happening.

Look at the rift in politics. 90% of blacks support Ds. A large majority of whites support conservatives. We have different values.

[countryboy]

The topic could be made interesting.
How? You've never seen blacks celebrate the 4th?

[Chris]

I don't think ancedoctal evidence in the music industry is sufficient to claim assimilation is happening.

Look at the rift in politics. 90% of blacks support Ds. A large majority of whites support conservatives. We have different values.

What, for maybe the last 50 years? That's to culture as weather is to climate.

Liberal and conservative values exist in the same culture. Libertarian too, and authoritarian.

[TheInternet]

How? You've never seen blacks celebrate the 4th?

Fourth of July celebrates the whites in America declaring their independence from Britain. Blacks at the time were slaves. It's a little more complicated than you make it out to be.

If I were black, I'd have a tough time with it. It's celebrating the history of whites.

[Peter1469]

I don't think ancedoctal evidence in the music industry is sufficient to claim assimilation is happening.

Look at the rift in politics. 90% of blacks support Ds. A large majority of whites support conservatives. We have different values.

I am reading a book now that argues that jazz, the blues, etc, were "black" music resulting directly from blacks who did not assimilate into the plans that white America had for the new freemen.

[TheInternet]

What, for maybe the last 50 years? That's to culture as weather is to climate.

Liberal and conservative values exist in the same culture. Libertarian too, and authoritarian.

So, we agree that there's a political schism btwn the races. Do you believe it's growing or shrinking?

[TheInternet]

To ad to that, we have "white communities" and "black communities". People generally hang out with members of their own races, and so much so, that police look for different racial groups interacting.

[Chris]

So, we agree that there's a political schism btwn the races. Do you believe it's growing or shrinking?

It's changing...and there's many other cultural differences, ethnic, religous, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age



% Dem
% GOP


Immigrant Groups




Irish Catholics
80
20


All Catholics
70
30


Confessional German Lutherans
65
35


German Reformed
60
40


French Canadian Catholics
50
50


Less Confessional German Lutherans
45
55


English Canadians
40
60


British Stock
35
65


German Sectarians
30
70


Norwegian Lutherans
20
80


Swedish Lutherans
15
85


Haugean Norwegians
5
95


Natives: Northern Stock




Quakers
5
95


Free Will Baptists
20
80


Congregational
25
75


Methodists
25
75


Regular Baptists
35
65


Blacks
40
60


Presbyterians
40
60


Episcopalians
45
55


Natives: Southern Stock (living in North)




Disciples
50
50


Presbyterians
70
30


Baptists
75
25


Methodists
90
10


So did blacks changes or did the parties changes?

(BTW, there's little relation between Dem/Rep and lib/con.)

[Chris]

To ad to that, we have "white communities" and "black communities". People generally hang out with members of their own races, and so much so, that police look for different racial groups interacting.

And Chinese and Japanese and Irish and Russian and Hispanic and on and on. Why the focus only on black/white?

[Dr. Who]

That's an interesting point. Whites have no problem in conforming to a few African-American music styles.

White jazz performers , rappers and rock n rollers . but blacks resent whites horning in on something they believed they developed. but often ,they didn't.
But ,more importantly ,they pay little homage to gifted white singers and performers. Blacks would much rather some low budget grade b movie if the hero was black than watch an exceptional performance on the screen by a truly gifted white actor. They can't relate to white culture ,so why force them?

Really - I assume you have polled every African-American in the country and have a study to prove your point?

[Conley]

Whats retarded about it? Why, specifically, is the difference btwn cultures not worth discussing on a political forum?


Sure, discussing the differences between cultures is worth discussion.

This kind of garbage -- which the OP has been posting all over the forum -- is worthless .


in all fairness ,africans celebrate juneteenth,[emancipation day] With watermellon and yes;the conspicuous KFC buckets by the truckload. Let's be fair now.. and give credit where credit is due.

I think the expression is "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit".

[roadmaster]

Sure, discussing the differences between cultures is worth discussion.

This kind of garbage -- which the OP has been posting all over the forum -- is worthless .



I think the expression is "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit".
Fried Chicken and watermelon has a history in the south no matter what race.

[Chloe]

Fried Chicken and watermelon has a history in the south no matter what race.

The difference is that the Count guy completely meant it as a racist stereotype and not for historical context.

[TheInternet]

And Chinese and Japanese and Irish and Russian and Hispanic and on and on. Why the focus only on black/white?

Bc that is, if I understand correctly, the two groups the OP was talking about. Japanese and Chinese ppeople weren't part of our revolution.

[Chris]

Bc that is, if I understand correctly, the two groups the OP was talking about. Japanese and Chinese ppeople weren't part of our revolution.

But are part of our culture.

[roadmaster]

The difference is that the Count guy completely meant it as a racist stereotype and not for historical context.
You can tell by his typing? How is a watermelon and chicken racist?

[Chloe]

You can tell by his typing? How is a watermelon and chicken racist?

It's a commonly used food stereotype for black people. You know that. He mentioned how Africans eat it for the 4th of July.

[Conley]

Fried Chicken and watermelon has a history in the south no matter what race.

That's a great point, except it really isn't. He was talking about blacks and it had nothing to do with the South.

Delicious tho.

Carry on :icon_salut:

[Dr. Who]

Fried Chicken and watermelon has a history in the south no matter what race.Yes, but somehow it is not used to denigrate whites, only blacks. Why is that?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Yes, but somehow it is not used to denigrate whites, only blacks. Why is that?

Because there's more history with blacks. And since this is the history room, feel free to enjoy some history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken


A number of West African cuisines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_African_cuisine) featured dishes where chicken was fried, typically in palm oil, sometimes having been battered before. These would be served on special occasions in some areas, or sometimes sold in the streets as snacks in others.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-6)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-8) This provided some means of independent economy for enslaved and segregated African American women, who became noted sellers of poultry (live or cooked) as early as the 1730s. Because of this and the expensive nature of the ingredients, it was, despite popular perception, a rare and special dish in the African-American community.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-9)
After the development of larger and faster-growing hogs (due to crosses between European and Asian breeds) in the 18th and 19th century, in the United States, backyard and small-scale hog production provided an inexpensive means of converting waste food, crop waste, and garbage into calories (in a relatively small space and in a relatively short period of time). Many of those calories came in the form of fat and rendered lard. Lard was used for almost all cooking and was a fundamental component in many common homestead foods (many that today are still regarded as holiday and comfort foods) like biscuits and pies. The economic/caloric necessity of consuming lard and other saved fats may have led to the popularity of fried foods, not only in the US, but worldwide. In the 19th century cast iron became widely available for use in cooking. The combination of flour, lard, a chicken and a heavy pan placed over a relatively controllable flame became the beginning of today's fried chicken.
When it was introduced to the American South, fried chicken became a common staple. Later, as the slave trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade) led to Africans being brought to work on southern plantations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation), the slaves who became cooks incorporated seasonings and spices that were absent in traditional Scottish cuisine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_cuisine), enriching the flavor.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-southernfriedchickenrecipe.com-10) Since most slaves were unable to raise expensive meats, but generally allowed to keep chickens, frying chicken on special occasions continued in the African American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American) communities of the South. It endured the fall of slavery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antislavery_Movement_In_America) and gradually passed into common use as a general Southern dish. Since fried chicken traveled well in hot weather before refrigeration was commonplace, it gained further favor in the periods of American history when segregation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States)closed off most restaurants to the black population. Fried chicken continues to be among this region's top choices for "Sunday dinner" among both blacks and whites. Holidays such asIndependence Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States)) and other gatherings often feature this dish.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-11)
Since the American Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War), traditional slave foods like fried chicken, watermelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon), and chitterlings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitterlings) have suffered a strong association with African American stereotypes and blackface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface)minstrelsy.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-southernfriedchickenrecipe.com-10) This was commercialized for the first half of the 20th century by restaurants like Sambo's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo%27s) and Coon Chicken Inn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coon_Chicken_Inn), which selected exaggerated depictions of blacks as mascots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascot), implying quality by their association with the stereotype. Although also being acknowledged positively as "soul food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_food)" today, the affinity that African American culture has for fried chicken has been considered a delicate, often pejorative issue. While the perception of fried chicken as an ethnic dish has been fading for several decades, with the ubiquity of fried chicken dishes in the US, it persists as a racial stereotype.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-12)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-13)[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-14)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken#cite_note-15)

[roadmaster]

Yes, but somehow it is not used to denigrate whites, only blacks. Why is that?

By who, the people in the North? Southern people don't think this way. And yes they also like to call us rednecks and put watermelons around us. Maybe I should be asking you this question.

[Private Pickle]

I think I am now more stupid for having read this thread. I will never get that 2 minutes of my life back...

[roadmaster]

I think I am now more stupid for having read this thread. I will never get that 2 minutes of my life back... No but I would like for the OP to come back and let us know if he or she is from the North or South.

[Dr. Who]

By who, the people in the North? Southern people don't think this way. And yes they also like to call us rednecks and put watermelons around us. Maybe I should be asking you this question.Perhaps some do if you say so. I've only seen the association in a mocking way, to blacks. I watch the Food Network, so I know fried chicken and watermelon is very popular in the south, but it isn't generally used to mock the people of the south that I have seen. I'll admit I haven't seen everything.

[roadmaster]

Perhaps some do if you say so. I've only seen the association in a mocking way, to blacks. I watch the Food Network, so I know fried chicken and watermelon is very popular in the south, but it isn't generally used to mock the people of the south that I have seen. I'll admit I haven't seen everything. They use it to mock the south but you know we just don't care. Watermelon taste great here in the hot summers.:laugh:

[Dr. Who]

They use it to mock the south but you know we just don't care. Watermelon taste great here in the hot summers.:laugh:There are piles of watermelon in my grocery store in the north. Does anybody hate watermelon? I love it. I also love fried chicken, even if it is bad for you :undecided: - but not KFC, only because they grow chickens with extra legs and cut off their beaks. That's just cruelty.

[Peter1469]

This question is something few bother to ask. It dawned on me that years ago when I attended fireworks and hotdog celebrations at various public locations ,I never saw Blacks in attendance. With only a few exceptions ,the majority were Whites.

Then it occurred to me that Blacks never attended the Beatles performances ; nor did they think Elvis was worth watching.
While Frank Sinatra was pro black, blacks had little good to say about BLUE EYES and were not impressed by his singing.

It also seems that Blacks only enjoy their own celebrities and that's understandable.

But ,do we have two people enjoying their own separate cultures ? Or do we have two separate peoples having nothing in common?

The broader question is ;should we be surprised that blacks seem to be unable to conform to a culture they had nothing to do in its creation or formation.?

Could this be the reason why few blacks graduate?

Independence Day is an American holiday, sport. :wink:

[roadmaster]

Independence Day is an American holiday, sport. :wink: Most celebrate it in the south of all races.

[Peter1469]

I just met a guy from Somalia who because a US citizen today- he was very happy.

[BB-35]

Fourth of July celebrates the whites in America declaring their independence from Britain. Blacks at the time were slaves. It's a little more complicated than you make it out to be.

If I were black, I'd have a tough time with it. It's celebrating the history of whites.

plenty of freedmen died defending the colonies...

[BB-35]

The difference is that the Count guy completely meant it as a racist stereotype and not for historical context.

No doubt about it...

[Chris]

plenty of freedmen died defending the colonies...

They were called Black Patriots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Patriot_(American_Revolution).

[BB-35]

You can tell by his typing? How is a watermelon and chicken racist?

Are you serious?...

[BB-35]

Mario van peebles did a movie in 1970 about a racist white man that turned black one night while he was asleep,called 'the watermelon man'

[Mister D]

plenty of freedmen died defending the colonies...

Really? A dozen? Twenty?

[TheInternet]

But are part of our culture.

Do you really believe that Caucasians in the US share the same culture as Japanese Americans?

[Dr. Who]

Do you really believe that Caucasians in the US share the same culture as Japanese Americans?Do you believe that all Caucasians in the US share the same culture? How much do you have in common with the Amish or the Mennonites or the Russians or any number of disparate Caucasian ethnic groups?

[TheInternet]

Do you believe that all Caucasians in the US share the same culture? How much do you have in common with the Amish or the Mennonites or the Russians or any number of disparate Caucasian ethnic groups?

Eh, I might be fighting a losing battle with the Japanese Americans. Some brief research seems to contradict my claims on that group in particular.

I still contend there are certain groups that are not assimilating.

[Dr. Who]

Eh, I might be fighting a losing battle with the Japanese Americans. Some brief research seems to contradict my claims on that group in particular.

I still contend there are certain groups that are not assimilating.Sometimes it takes a couple of generations.

[TheInternet]

Sometimes it takes a couple of generations.

I realize that, and that seems to be the case with Asians. However, I don't think progress is being made with blacks. I think its actually going the other way, based on the data I just posted in the other thread.

[zelmo1234]

in all fairness ,africans celebrate juneteenth,[emancipation day] With watermellon and yes;the conspicuous KFC buckets by the truckload. Let's be fair now.. and give credit where credit is due.

I think I see the problem here, It appears that you would never take the time to celebrate where there would be any black people, I am not sure if you are scared of them or if they make you feel inferior, but you apparently have separated yourself from them! On this 4th of July weekend we will be celebrating our independence from the oppression of King George, and the birth of a new nation! In our celebration their will be Whites, Blacks Hispanics, and even people from several Asian countries. Some first generation American! We will gather as one family on my deck and participate as one people. You see when you strip the color away? you just have people, and we will all be proud of what America is, the good, the bad and the ugly, but still the greatest nation on earth! But there will be those that have fear and insecurity, such as yourself that will hide among people that look like them, and then ask absolutely stupid questions designed to make themselves feel important, when in fact the have yet to experience the fullness of life?

[zelmo1234]

I don't think ancedoctal evidence in the music industry is sufficient to claim assimilation is happening.

Look at the rift in politics. 90% of blacks support Ds. A large majority of whites support conservatives. We have different values.
While one could break this down along racial lines I suppose, To me it is better explained by the liberalization of our educations system. The system is designed to build a dependency on government, through the disguise of compassion! A great example would be to look at poor whites, and affluent city dwelling white, both of which tend to be more Democratic party voters. They also have been conformed by the same system one needed the government program that doom them to the same lot in life, and the others needing to feel that they are compassionate good people without getting their hands dirty with direct charity work! this system of dependency is more what drive voting patterns One group feeling that personal responsibility is too unfair and another that want to bang their chest and say we provide for the poor though our taxes! This would have a much greater effect than color in my opinion!

[zelmo1234]

The difference is that the Count guy completely meant it as a racist stereotype and not for historical context.

Well if loving Watermelon and Fried Chicken makes one black, then I must be the darkest man on the planet because I will stand in a very long line for good fried Chicken and if there is a better snack in the summer than Watermelon, I have yet to fine it!

[BB-35]

Really? A dozen? Twenty?

You tell me

[Kabuki Joe]

This question is something few bother to ask. It dawned on me that years ago when I attended fireworks and hotdog celebrations at various public locations ,I never saw Blacks in attendance. With only a few exceptions ,the majority were Whites.

Then it occurred to me that Blacks never attended the Beatles performances ; nor did they think Elvis was worth watching.
While Frank Sinatra was pro black, blacks had little good to say about BLUE EYES and were not impressed by his singing.

It also seems that Blacks only enjoy their own celebrities and that's understandable.

But ,do we have two people enjoying their own separate cultures ? Or do we have two separate peoples having nothing in common?

The broader question is ;should we be surprised that blacks seem to be unable to conform to a culture they had nothing to do in its creation or formation.?

Could this be the reason why few blacks graduate?


...it shouldn't be...

[Chris]

You tell me


In 1776 Congress allowed the recruitment of free blacks and within a year shortages of soldiers encouraged the Patriots to accept blacks in large numbers into the military. The majority of black Patriot troops came from Northern states. But even states such as South Carolina and Georgia that prohibited the enlistment of blacks, used them as auxiliaries. Possibly 5,000 of the 30,000 Patriot troops were black.

The British also recruited blacks. More @ Blacks during the American Revolution (http://fas-history.rutgers.edu/clemens/AfricanAmericansRevolution.html)

[Chris]

The Daughters of the American Revolution released a document on Forgotten Patriots (http://www.dar.org/library/fp.cfm):


...General Alexander
Scammell compiled an assessment of the number of African Americans in the Continental Army as of the
24th of August 1778: 755 men. The listing is almost certainly incomplete....

Writing in the 1880s, Joseph T. Wilson made the following observation:


Of the three hundred thousand troops in the Revolutionary war, it has been
estimated that five thousand were colored....

...Another proponent of the figure of 5,000 comes from Brigadier General Andrew S. Burt, who made the
following statement in 1911:


“Baron von Clausen, a German army officer, who visited this country during the
Revolutionary War, said, among other things, in describing his visit to Gen. Washington’s
camp that of the 20,000 soldiers there, 5,000 were Negroes, and that the best drilled and
disciplined regiment was Col. Greene’s Rhode Island regiment, three‐fours of which was
composed of Negroes.”4

...The only reference to
the subject of von Closen’s observation of the numbers of African American troops in Washington’s army
near White Plains in early July 1781 (which is where he visited Washington’s army prior to the combined
American and French armies’ departure for the Siege of Yorktown) is as follows:


“[July 1781] On the 4th, M. de Rochambeau sent me with Colonel Cobb to find General
Washington, whom we joined in White Plains, where his army was resting, while he was
selecting a camp site there …. I had a chance to see the American army, man for man. ….
A quarter of them were negroes, merry, confident, and sturdy.5

<snip snip snip>

A tally of the number of names listed in this publication is over 6,600 for all groups, and provides the
following totals for the various groups found in the original sources:

African American: 3,906
Probably African American: 149
Possibly African American or American Indian based on name,
occupation, rank, etc., but for whom an historical color
descriptor in eighteenth‐century records is absent. 1,066

Interesting reading, very detailed, well documented.

[Kabuki Joe]

I don't think ancedoctal evidence in the music industry is sufficient to claim assimilation is happening.

Look at the rift in politics. 90% of blacks support Ds. A large majority of whites support conservatives. We have different values.


...black Christian males and females are conservative but that doesn't mean they vote that way and most "white" males/men are too concerned with image so they vote Democrat, "white" females/women are the most liberal of all groups and they vote Democrat...I don't see a conservative white male/man or female/woman winning a major election ever again...unless they completely disassociate themselves from religion..."white" males/men are the root of all evil in the world...

[countryboy]

Fourth of July celebrates the whites in America declaring their independence from Britain. Blacks at the time were slaves. It's a little more complicated than you make it out to be.

If I were black, I'd have a tough time with it. It's celebrating the history of whites.

WTF? Shirley you cannot be serious.

[Mister D]

WTF? Shirley you cannot be serious.

He is serious. And don't call him Shirley. :angry:

[Mister D]

So, we agree that there's a political schism btwn the races. Do you believe it's growing or shrinking?

Like the IQ gap it will persist indefinitely.

[Chris]

Like the IQ gap it will persist indefinitely.

Disputed as we just saw in another thread. Some say the gap's not closing in over 100 years, some say it did until the 70s, and some say it is closing.

I also showed above the shifting demographics of voting, how initially freed blacks voted more Rep than now.

Things change.

[Mister D]

Disputed as we just saw in another thread. Some say the gap's not closing in over 100 years, some say it did until the 70s, and some say it is closing.

I also showed above the shifting demographics of voting, how initially freed blacks voted more Rep than now.

Things change.

You obviously knew where I stand on IQ.

As for groups interests, I just don't see them ever being compatible.

[Common]

I read this thread but didnt add anything until now. I dont have to add more than Chloe, Dr Who and some others have stated already.

[Kabuki Joe]

I read this thread but didnt add anything until now. I dont have to add more than Chloe, Dr Who and some others have stated already.


...just because something is "stated", by anyone, doesn't make it true...

[Common]

...just because something is "stated", by anyone, doesn't make it true...

Youre correct but it can be my shared opinon

[count markovalley]

WTF? Shirley you cannot be serious.

Black or african -American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south.

Stars and bars as well as all monuments dedicated to white civil war heroes are their main targets.
But whites do not demand the removal of statues and monuments dedicated to Civil rights heroes who were in reality nothing but marxist stooges. Rosa [luxemberg] parks ;and,YES, she was named after a commie babe during weimar who attempted to take over bavaria in the late 20.s. in a boshevik style revolution.

[Chris]

American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south

Yea, right...

http://i.snag.gy/IVlQU.jpg

[Ravi]

Black or african -American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south.

Stars and bars as well as all monuments dedicated to white civil war heroes are their main targets.
But whites do not demand the removal of statues and monuments dedicated to Civil rights heroes who were in reality nothing but marxist stooges. Rosa [luxemberg] parks ;and,YES, she was named after a commie babe during weimar who attempted to take over bavaria in the late 20.s. in a boshevik style revolution.

How can traitors be heros?

[Mister D]

How can traitors be heros?

The same way our founding fathers were, right? You must be exhausted. Get some rest.

[roadmaster]

Black or african -American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south.

Stars and bars as well as all monuments dedicated to white civil war heroes are their main targets.
But whites do not demand the removal of statues and monuments dedicated to Civil rights heroes who were in reality nothing but marxist stooges. Rosa [luxemberg] parks ;and,YES, she was named after a commie babe during weimar who attempted to take over bavaria in the late 20.s. in a boshevik style revolution.

As a daughter of the Confederate and proud to be one, blacks and whites from the true south fought with the confederate. They have no right asking us to take down History. I disagree with the Rosa Parks comment.

[roadmaster]

http://youtu.be/o8hPo6mYnks

[countryboy]

Black or african -American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south.

Stars and bars as well as all monuments dedicated to white civil war heroes are their main targets.
But whites do not demand the removal of statues and monuments dedicated to Civil rights heroes who were in reality nothing but marxist stooges. Rosa [luxemberg] parks ;and,YES, she was named after a commie babe during weimar who attempted to take over bavaria in the late 20.s. in a boshevik style revolution.
Okay, we get it, you don't like blacks. Congratulations.

[Dr. Who]

Black or african -American organizations demand the removal of all civil war icons as they pertain to the south.

Stars and bars as well as all monuments dedicated to white civil war heroes are their main targets.
But whites do not demand the removal of statues and monuments dedicated to Civil rights heroes who were in reality nothing but marxist stooges. Rosa [luxemberg] parks ;and,YES, she was named after a commie babe during weimar who attempted to take over bavaria in the late 20.s. in a boshevik style revolution.
How is this stuff working for you? I notice that you have been banned from a number of forums. I wonder why? Could it possibly be that most people have no appetite for what you are selling? From what I've read from you and about you on the other forums, you really haven't got a good word to say about most people who don't fit your specific Caucasian profile and hold the USA in general in the lowest possible regard. People on this forum may quibble about the details, but they love their country. I can't say that I get that impression about you from your posts on this and other forums. Just what is your agenda?

[zelmo1234]

How can traitors be heros?

Not defending his racist rants. But look at the 55 traitors that signed the declaration of independence

[roadmaster]

How can traitors be heros?
Are you calling Southerners traitors?

[TheInternet]

...black Christian males and females are conservative but that doesn't mean they vote that way and most "white" males/men are too concerned with image so they vote Democrat, "white" females/women are the most liberal of all groups and they vote Democrat...I don't see a conservative white male/man or female/woman winning a major election ever again...unless they completely disassociate themselves from religion..."white" males/men are the root of all evil in the world...

LOL.



WTF? Shirley you cannot be serious.

Would you be happy celebrating the birth of the nation who bought you ancestors, brought them to the new nation against their will, then enslaved them? If you cared to look on google, you'd find several articles discussing whether blacks should celebrate Independence Day. Agree or disagree, but it's a legitimate point.

[Trinnity]

We get our Liberty from the C/BOR.
They seem to think theirs comes from the Civil Rights Act.

They've been taught to consider themselves victims. You can't overcome that self-defeating mindset; only they can. Some do, some don't.

[Trinnity]

in all fairness ,africans celebrate juneteenth,[emancipation day] And there ya go.

[Trinnity]

Fourth of July celebrates the whites in America declaring their independence from Britain. Blacks at the time were slaves. It's a little more complicated than you make it out to be.

Yes, it's complicated. Some blacks were freemen, some were slaves, some were indentured servents, and some owned slaves.

[Ravi]

Are you calling Southerners traitors?
The ones he's talking about, yes.

[Chris]

Okay, we get it, you don't like blacks. Congratulations.

He doesn't seem to like Jews, Christians, Americans, America.

He seems to post hot-button topics then let others argue them. That's trolling, at least by the old definition.

[Chris]

LOL.




Would you be happy celebrating the birth of the nation who bought you ancestors, brought them to the new nation against their will, then enslaved them? If you cared to look on google, you'd find several articles discussing whether blacks should celebrate Independence Day. Agree or disagree, but it's a legitimate point.

Anyone else notice, besides zelmo, the guy doesn't argue anything. He want's us to argue for him while he sits backs and watches.

[Chris]

We get our Liberty from the C/BOR.
They seem to think theirs comes from the Civil Rights Act.

They've been taught to consider themselves victims. You can't overcome that self-defeating mindset; only they can. Some do, some don't.

Minor point but we don't get our rights from the C/BOR, those represent protections of inherent, inalienable rights by the self-evident truths of Laws of Nature or Nature's God.

Otherwise agree, especially about playing victim.

[TheInternet]

Anyone else notice, besides zelmo, the guy doesn't argue anything. He want's us to argue for him while he sits backs and watches.

Why was that in response to my post?

[Chris]

Why was that in response to my post?

Might've hit wrong button, forget.

[TheInternet]

Might've hit wrong button, forget.

Its cool man. I do agree with what you said about OP starting controversial threads, then bouncing. However, I think they are interesting topics to discuss, so I'm ok with it.

[Ravi]

And there ya go.

Why is it wrong to celebrate emancipation?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Why is it wrong to celebrate emancipation?

What part of her post or her post combined with the one she is responding to implies that there is anything wrong with it?

[Mister D]

Why is it wrong to celebrate emancipation?

nothing wrong with it per se. It just seems like someone always gets shot when black people gather together.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0617/Juneteenth-shooting-in-Ohio-injures-11-year-old-video

[count markovalley]

The federal government has never done anything to help black race people. All it has ever done is to throw money at them ,hoping they will not burn down their neighborhoods. The only other thing is to throw them at the white race who are simply trying to provide themselves with enough security so as to see their children educated and enjoying the fruits of their labor.

when the germans administered the african colonies that were subsequently deprived of after the first ww ,they did a great deal to help the natives. They educated them ,taught them skills that they stuill use and have allowed them to rise up in status above their neighbors in s.africa.

[Chris]

The federal government has never done anything to help black race people. All it has ever done is to throw money at them ,hoping they will not burn down their neighborhoods. The only other thing is to throw them at the white race who are simply trying to provide themselves with enough security so as to see their children educated and enjoying the fruits of their labor.

when the germans administered the african colonies that were subsequently deprived of after the first ww ,they did a great deal to help the natives. They educated them ,taught them skills that they stuill use and have allowed them to rise up in status above their neighbors in s.africa.

Define race, count.

[count markovalley]

as it applies to human beings. After all, we mightargue that races are among the largest and mostinclusive of such human groups, and many peopleseem to base expectations of other people’sbehavior on their racial identities.The study of human races has been animportant part of anthropology since its origin as aprofessional discipline in the nineteenth century(see Chapter 2). Physical anthropologists have inthe past studied the physical characteristics of members of different races; archaeologists andpaleoanthropologists have studied human evolu-tion with the goal of identifying the origins of these races; and cultural anthropologists have stud-ied the ways that people use racial identificationsto control social interactions around the world.Anthropologists have certainly had a lot to sayabout human races, and the results of our researchsometimes reflect—and sometimes challenge—the various meanings given to this word “race” bynonanthropologists in the United States.
This chapter will summarize some of theconclusions of anthropological research onhuman races—on their origins, on the ways inwhich people have been identified with differentraces, and on the ways in which race can affectinteractions between individuals and groups.Anthropologists working within the differentsubfields of our discipline have differentconceptions of race and the meaning of racialidentifications, and like nonanthropologists theysometimes use the term without specifyingexactly what they mean. Among the questionsthat this chapter seeks to answer then, are: Whatare anthropologists talking about when they talk about race, and are they always talking about thesame thing? Are there common elements in allanthropological usages of the term
race
, or arethese usages sometimes contradictory? Perhapsmost important, what are human races, and howdo they originate and function? This chapter willfocus on the biological concepts associatedwithrace, and especially on the relationshipbetween biological and cultural definitions of human races.
BIOLOGY AND CULTURE
Anthropologists consider the meaning of theword “race” in two different ways. First, physicalanthropologists look at the
biological
characteris-tics of human populations in different areas of theworld. They compare these populations to oneanother, with the goal of understanding the pat-terning of human biological variation. In the-nineteenth century, anthropologists studied theexternal features of people: their skin color,the color and configuration of their hair, theproportions of their limbs, the features of theirfaces and bodies. In the twentieth century, studiesof more subtle variation—of blood groups andantibody types, and most recently and more fun-damentally, of genetic material—has added newlevels of detail and complexity to that research.Physical anthropologists talk about the scales atwhich this human physical variation exists, fromtiny, local communities to groups found acrosswhole continents. Race for these anthropologistsimplies the existence of a number of fundamentalbiological populations into which all humans canbe sorted. This concept was a central part of stud-ies of humanity from their beginning almost twocenturies ago. The question before anthropolo-gists in this case is: do human races exist as
biological
groupings,

[count markovalley]

human biological groupings, by way of application.

[Chris]

Define race, count.


human biological groupings, by way of application.

Please cite some science on that.


First used to denote national affiliations, the term began to be used to relate to physical traits in the 17th century and promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2][3]

While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[4] or simplistic way,[5] i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[6][7]

Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [8] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[9] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[4][10][11][12][13]

@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)


Good luck.

[Dr. Who]

as it applies to human beings. After all, we mightargue that races are among the largest and mostinclusive of such human groups, and many peopleseem to base expectations of other people’sbehavior on their racial identities.The study of human races has been animportant part of anthropology since its origin as aprofessional discipline in the nineteenth century(see Chapter 2). Physical anthropologists have inthe past studied the physical characteristics of members of different races; archaeologists andpaleoanthropologists have studied human evolu-tion with the goal of identifying the origins of these races; and cultural anthropologists have stud-ied the ways that people use racial identificationsto control social interactions around the world.Anthropologists have certainly had a lot to sayabout human races, and the results of our researchsometimes reflect—and sometimes challenge—the various meanings given to this word “race” bynonanthropologists in the United States.
This chapter will summarize some of theconclusions of anthropological research onhuman races—on their origins, on the ways inwhich people have been identified with differentraces, and on the ways in which race can affectinteractions between individuals and groups.Anthropologists working within the differentsubfields of our discipline have differentconceptions of race and the meaning of racialidentifications, and like nonanthropologists theysometimes use the term without specifyingexactly what they mean. Among the questionsthat this chapter seeks to answer then, are: Whatare anthropologists talking about when they talk about race, and are they always talking about thesame thing? Are there common elements in allanthropological usages of the term
race
, or arethese usages sometimes contradictory? Perhapsmost important, what are human races, and howdo they originate and function? This chapter willfocus on the biological concepts associatedwithrace, and especially on the relationshipbetween biological and cultural definitions of human races.
BIOLOGY AND CULTURE
Anthropologists consider the meaning of theword “race” in two different ways. First, physicalanthropologists look at the
biological
characteris-tics of human populations in different areas of theworld. They compare these populations to oneanother, with the goal of understanding the pat-terning of human biological variation. In the-nineteenth century, anthropologists studied theexternal features of people: their skin color,the color and configuration of their hair, theproportions of their limbs, the features of theirfaces and bodies. In the twentieth century, studiesof more subtle variation—of blood groups andantibody types, and most recently and more fun-damentally, of genetic material—has added newlevels of detail and complexity to that research.Physical anthropologists talk about the scales atwhich this human physical variation exists, fromtiny, local communities to groups found acrosswhole continents. Race for these anthropologistsimplies the existence of a number of fundamentalbiological populations into which all humans canbe sorted. This concept was a central part of stud-ies of humanity from their beginning almost twocenturies ago. The question before anthropolo-gists in this case is: do human races exist as
biological
groupings,

If you're going to cut and paste from a published document, provide a link.

[count markovalley]

the question to define race is specious at best. an attempt at an undisguised provocation.

[Dr. Who]

as it applies to human beings. After all, we mightargue that races are among the largest and mostinclusive of such human groups, and many peopleseem to base expectations of other people’sbehavior on their racial identities.The study of human races has been animportant part of anthropology since its origin as aprofessional discipline in the nineteenth century(see Chapter 2). Physical anthropologists have inthe past studied the physical characteristics of members of different races; archaeologists andpaleoanthropologists have studied human evolu-tion with the goal of identifying the origins of these races; and cultural anthropologists have stud-ied the ways that people use racial identificationsto control social interactions around the world.Anthropologists have certainly had a lot to sayabout human races, and the results of our researchsometimes reflect—and sometimes challenge—the various meanings given to this word “race” bynonanthropologists in the United States.
This chapter will summarize some of theconclusions of anthropological research onhuman races—on their origins, on the ways inwhich people have been identified with differentraces, and on the ways in which race can affectinteractions between individuals and groups.Anthropologists working within the differentsubfields of our discipline have differentconceptions of race and the meaning of racialidentifications, and like nonanthropologists theysometimes use the term without specifyingexactly what they mean. Among the questionsthat this chapter seeks to answer then, are: Whatare anthropologists talking about when they talk about race, and are they always talking about thesame thing? Are there common elements in allanthropological usages of the term
race
, or arethese usages sometimes contradictory? Perhapsmost important, what are human races, and howdo they originate and function? This chapter willfocus on the biological concepts associatedwithrace, and especially on the relationshipbetween biological and cultural definitions of human races.
BIOLOGY AND CULTURE
Anthropologists consider the meaning of theword “race” in two different ways. First, physicalanthropologists look at the
biological
characteris-tics of human populations in different areas of theworld. They compare these populations to oneanother, with the goal of understanding the pat-terning of human biological variation. In the-nineteenth century, anthropologists studied theexternal features of people: their skin color,the color and configuration of their hair, theproportions of their limbs, the features of theirfaces and bodies. In the twentieth century, studiesof more subtle variation—of blood groups andantibody types, and most recently and more fun-damentally, of genetic material—has added newlevels of detail and complexity to that research.Physical anthropologists talk about the scales atwhich this human physical variation exists, fromtiny, local communities to groups found acrosswhole continents. Race for these anthropologistsimplies the existence of a number of fundamentalbiological populations into which all humans canbe sorted. This concept was a central part of stud-ies of humanity from their beginning almost twocenturies ago. The question before anthropolo-gists in this case is: do human races exist as
biological
groupings, Trying to make people believe you wrote this? Here's the link you *forgot* to provide: http://academia.edu/831938/The_conce...n_anthropology (http://academia.edu/831938/The_concept_of_race_in_anthropology)

[Chris]

the question to define race is specious at best. an attempt at an undisguised provocation.

OK, so you cannot. Just asking.

Odd, you're saying asking you a question is trolling?

[Chris]

Trying to make people believe you wrote this? Here's the link you *forgot* to provide: http://academia.edu/831938/The_conce...n_anthropology (http://academia.edu/831938/The_concept_of_race_in_anthropology)

But useful:


The meanings attached to this word “race” are different inall of these contexts, sometimes very different, but in everyday use we continually blur thedifferences between these meanings. This would be a recipe for confusion in any case but, giventhe history of this term “race” in the United States, the potentials for uncertainty and discord areespecially great in this country. “Race” is a loaded word in part because people use that word invery different ways but assume that they are talking about the same thing.

[Adelaide]

Please cite some science on that.



@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29)


Good luck.

Physical anthropology 101 (literally): human variation is based on geographic clines and not racial categories. Race is a social concept that is biologically invalid. I can go more in-depth if needed, but this is among one of the first lessons taught to physical anthropology students today.

The field has struggled to distance itself from scientific racism because it is so poorly understood and has previously entertained the idea of racial classification, which is now no longer accepted.

[Mister D]

Physical anthropology 101 (literally): human variation is based on geographic clines and not racial categories. Race is a social concept that is biologically invalid. I can go more in-depth if needed, but this is among one of the first lessons taught to physical anthropology students today.

The field has struggled to distance itself from scientific racism because it is so poorly understood and has previously entertained the idea of racial classification, which is now no longer accepted.

Which suggests it has zero to do with science and everything to do with politics. You are also misinformed. Many scientists/researchers accept the validity of race.

A primer you all seem to need.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html

[Adelaide]

Which suggests it has zero to do with science and everything to do with politics. You are also misinformed. Many scientists/researchers accept the validity of race.

A primer you all seem to need.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html

Physical anthropologists fundamentally should and do not accept racial classification.

And supported by the American Anthropological Association:
http://www.aaanet.org/resources/a-public-education-program.cfm
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm
http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102 (spring 01)/articles/aaa_race.html (http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20%28spring%2001%29/articles/aaa_race.html)

So don't tell me what I need to read. I was speaking specifically to the discussion on anthropology and race.

[Mister D]

Physical anthropologists fundamentally should and do not accept racial classification.

And supported by the American Anthropological Association:
http://www.aaanet.org/resources/a-public-education-program.cfm
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm
http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102 (spring 01)/articles/aaa_race.html

So don't tell me what I need to read. I was speaking specifically to the discussion on anthropology and race.

Again, many scientists accept the validity of race as I've shown you including athropologists. If that upsets you that's just too bad. I'm not going to lie when you declare categorically that race doesn't exist. Sorry, but the scientific community does not agree on this. The consensus you implied existed does not exist.


You're wrong about anthropologists. Read the first sentence. Then read the last paragraph. Gotta pay for the rest. Fuck that.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/682043?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102438643261

[Mister D]

Adelaide

You get the last word. not going to fight about it with people I like.

[Chris]

Which suggests it has zero to do with science and everything to do with politics. You are also misinformed. Many scientists/researchers accept the validity of race.

A primer you all seem to need.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html


Which suggests it has zero to do with science and everything to do with politics.

Race, yes, indeed.




You are also misinformed. Many scientists/researchers accept the validity of race.

A primer you all seem to need.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evoluti...ace-exist.html

Your source is a debate.

[Dr. Who]

Physical anthropologists fundamentally should and do not accept racial classification.

And supported by the American Anthropological Association:
http://www.aaanet.org/resources/a-public-education-program.cfm
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm
http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102 (spring 01)/articles/aaa_race.html

So don't tell me what I need to read. I was speaking specifically to the discussion on anthropology and race.

Funny, but what is the difference between the word race and the word breed. When we describe humans, we use the word race. When we describe animals, we use the word breed. The word breed does seem more contrived, but it wasn't originally. Any mammal left in a specific area long enough will develop specific characteristics that improve the ability to survive in that particular location. Can you breed for specific characteristics. Yes. When you do it with people deliberately, it is called Eugenics. When you do that with dogs, as breeders do, you can breed for intelligence or docility or some other desirable trait. Guess what though, when you do that something else gets left out, so those same animals who are particularly smart, or particularly friendly, also tend to have a host of recessive genetic problems that manifest in hip dysplasia or blindness or ear problems etc. You see the same thing in static human populations. The best way to develop intelligence, good health and an absence of genetic defects is to cross breed and thereby eliminate genetic defects.

[Mister D]

Race, yes, indeed.





Your source is a debate.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/newsmilies/facepalm.gif Right, genius. Among anthropologists.

[Chris]

Again, many scientists accept the validity of race as I've shown you. If that upsets you that's just too bad. I'm not going to lie when you declare categorically that race doesn't exist. Sorry, but the scientific community does not agree on this. The consensus you implied existed does not exist.


Secondly, no, you're still wrong about anthropologists. Read the first sentence. Then read the last paragraph. Gotta pay for the rest. Fuck that.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/682043?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102438643261


Again, many scientists accept the validity of race as I've shown you.

You showed a debate between two scientists. Not many. One held "race" was PC and the other its denial PC.


If that upsets you that's just too bad.

Why do you always do this, attribute emotions to others when they are simply not there.


Sorry, but the scientific community does not agree on this.

That's all you've shown, based on a debate between two.

[Mister D]

Funny, but what is the difference between the word race and the word breed. When we describe humans, we use the word race. When we describe animals, we use the word breed. The word breed does seem more contrived, but it wasn't originally. Any mammal left in a specific area long enough will develop specific characteristics that improve the ability to survive in that particular location. Can you breed for specific characteristics. Yes. When you do it with people deliberately, it is called Eugenics. When you do that with dogs, as breeders do, you can breed for intelligence or docility or some other desirable trait. Guess what though, when you do that something else gets left out, so those same animals who are particularly smart, or particularly friendly, also tend to have a host of recessive genetic problems that manifest in hip dysplasia or blindness or ear problems etc. You see the same thing in static human populations. The best way to develop intelligence, good health and an absence of genetic defects is to cross breed and thereby eliminate genetic defects.

I've started to use breed.

[Mister D]

You showed a debate between two scientists. Not many. One held "race" was PC and the other its denial PC.



Why do you always do this, attribute emotions to others when they are simply not there.



That's all you've shown, based on a debate between two.

You didn't address the link in that comment, Chris. Why? :wink: :laugh:

[Mister D]

I will say that at least Ade is sincere. Chris just scours the Internet to support his preconceived notions on topics he knows nothing aout.

[Adelaide]

Again, many scientists accept the validity of race as I've shown you including athropologists. If that upsets you that's just too bad. I'm not going to lie when you declare categorically that race doesn't exist. Sorry, but the scientific community does not agree on this. The consensus you implied existed does not exist.

You're wrong about anthropologists. Read the first sentence. Then read the last paragraph. Gotta pay for the rest. Fuck that.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/682043?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102438643261

There is plenty of agreement on this, Mister D. Some still wish to discuss racial classification but in academia the accepted theory is clinal variation. I can find innumerous links to back me up, (in fact I did but then deferred to the AAA). Racial classification has been dismissed. It is no longer taught as a valid theory but as a decrepit old social concept that is irrelevant to the biological study of evolution.

[Ravi]

nothing wrong with it per se. It just seems like someone always gets shot when black people gather together.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0617/Juneteenth-shooting-in-Ohio-injures-11-year-old-video

Always? Really, do you have a link for that.

[Chris]

I will say that at least Ade is sincere. Chris just scours the Internet to support his preconceived notions on topics he knows nothing aout.

Again, D manages to make messengers the topic.

Perhaps you should have scoured more instead of linking a source and claiming it said things it did not and supported you when it did not.

[Mister D]

Again, D manages to make messengers the topic.

Perhaps you should have scoured more instead of linking a source and claiming it said things it did not and supported you when it did not.

You did not yet address my source.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/682043?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102438643261

It demonstrates that 1) there is nothing approaching a consensus and 2) the committee that produces the statements speak for themselves not "anthropologists". :smiley:

I actually registered to read more. That's what I do. You know, stay informed. Try it sometime

[Chris]

You didn't address the link in that comment, Chris. Why? :wink: :laugh:

Because like your first link it doesn't support your claim. I was addressing it.

Your claim: "many scientists accept the validity of race"

Your source says almost the direct opposite:

http://i.snag.gy/SOPKZ.jpg

[Chris]

You did not yet address my source.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/682043?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102438643261

It demonstrates that 1) there is nothing approaching a consensus and 2) the committee that produces the statements speak for themselves not "anthropologists". :smiley:

I actually registered to read more. That's what I do. You know, stay informed. Try it sometime

But you pointed to that source to support your claim that "many scientists accept the validity of race". That's malarkey and you even say so this morning: "there is nothing approaching a consensus".

[Mister D]

Because like your first link it doesn't support your claim. I was addressing it.

Your claim: "many scientists accept the validity of race"

Your source says almost the direct opposite:

http://i.snag.gy/SOPKZ.jpg

:smiley_ROFLMAO: You're at your most inept when you try to help people

"The issue of race is a divisive and emotionally charged topic among physical anthropologists."

Issue 1 resolved. There is no consensus among anthropologists. Thanks Chris!

"Although these objections to the Statement on the biological Aspects of Race had nothing to do with race as such, the rejection of the statement at the 1993 AAPA business meeting also reflected substantive disagreements among biological anthropologists"

Reconfirms my contention on issue 1 and demonstrates that the committee in question is hardly representative of anyone. Thanks, Chris!

I didn't know how to do that. I really appreciate the screen shot!

[Mister D]

But you pointed to that source to support your claim that "many scientists accept the validity of race". That's malarkey and you even say so this morning: "there is nothing approaching a consensus".

Feeling silly!? You should be! Thanks for proving me right all counts. I appreciate it. :laugh:

Right! There is nothing approaching a consensus. If there was a consensus that race didn't exist my claim would e false. Thanks again for the screen shot!