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Conley
12-24-2011, 10:20 AM
BAQUBA, Iraq — The governor has fled this uneasy city. Half the members of the provincial council are camped out in northern Iraq, afraid to return to their offices. Peaceful protesters fill the dusty streets, though just days ago angrier crowds blockaded the highways with burning tires and shattered glass.

All of this because the local government here in northeastern Diyala Province recently dared to raise a simple but explosive question, one that is central to the unrest now surging through Iraq’s shaky democracy: Should a post-American Iraq exist as one unified nation, or will it split into a loose confederation of islands unto themselves?

A dire political crisis exploded in Baghdad this week, after an arrest warrant was issued against the Sunni Arab vice president, Tariq al-Hashimi, accusing him of running a death squad. But years of accumulated anger and disenfranchisement are now driving some of the country’s largely Sunni Arab provinces to seek greater control over their security and finances by distancing themselves from Iraq’s Shiite leaders.

Many Sunni leaders have rallied to the cause while top Shiites in Baghdad have fought the efforts, aggravating the sectarian divisions among the country’s political elite.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/world/middleeast/iraqi-sunnis-and-shiites-clash-over-regional-power.html

We'll be seeing more of this...the violence can't be far behind. If war begins anew would we send troops back in? I hope not but to some degree we were responsible. I would be against such actions.

Mister D
12-24-2011, 10:25 AM
The UN may be forced to. In any case, partitioning Iraq may be best. It's not a real nation anyway.

Conley
12-24-2011, 10:29 AM
Yes, it seems letting them divide would be the way to go. The only way to keep it together in the past was by ruling over it with an iron fist, right? Democracy doesn't seem to work in instances like this. Let them carve up the pieces and do what they will.

Mister D
12-24-2011, 10:31 AM
Kind of like Yugoslavia. It won't be easy dividing the regions resources but ultimately it will be easier than getting people to live together.

Conley
12-24-2011, 10:47 AM
Yes, it seems very similar. Good analogy.

Mister D
12-24-2011, 11:04 AM
Yes, it seems very similar. Good analogy.

People have disagreed with me me before on this and they had good reasons but I can't remember them offhand. It may have had something to do with the geography and where the resources our actually located.

roadmaster
12-25-2011, 03:42 AM
If we go every-time they have an uprising, we might as well build houses. We are not going to be able to prevent them from fighting each other. It's not worth our men and women being killed. They need to settle their own affairs.

MMC
12-25-2011, 06:27 AM
People have disagreed with me me before on this and they had good reasons but I can't remember them offhand. It may have had something to do with the geography and where the resources our actually located.

Good call on Yugoslavia reference D.....and I believe you are correct as to the allocation of resources.

Mister D
12-25-2011, 11:38 AM
If we go every-time they have an uprising, we might as well build houses. We are not going to be able to prevent them from fighting each other. It's not worth our men and women being killed. They need to settle their own affairs.

I agreed with those who said we had a moral obligation to stay and get things running smoothly but in no way did I think our stay would be indefinite. At some point they must take responsibility for their own affairs.

Mister D
12-25-2011, 11:40 AM
Good call on Yugoslavia reference D.....and I believe you are correct as to the allocation of resources.

I wonder if anything like this was considered either before or right after going in? I don't remember. The neos were over confident about their prospects for success in nation building so that was likely not the case.

MMC
12-25-2011, 12:21 PM
Arent they always.....what amazed me was the Demos taking part in it. As Kerry was the one writing the up the legislation on it.

Conley
12-25-2011, 12:25 PM
Kerry like so many of them is a two faced snake.

MMC
12-25-2011, 01:34 PM
Kerry like so many of them is a two faced snake.

Cmon now brutha did you see Kerry point out how he had to take a flight over to Egypt to see Democracy in Action. I mean really.....all the Spending Socialist had to do was walk thru the Doors of the Senate to see what stagnation erm I mean Demo-Crazy is all about!

MMC
12-26-2011, 09:11 AM
Today In Iraq a suicide bomber got thru 6 check points detonating his bomb killing 5 and injuring 26 around the Minisrty of the the Interior. It has begun! AGAIN!!!!!