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Germanicus
08-07-2013, 07:39 AM
The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_liner) most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which her captain, Gustav Schröder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Schr%C3%B6der), tried to find homes for 937 German Jewish refugees after they were denied entry to Cuba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba), the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) and Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

Can anyone explain this to me?

I like to learn about WW2 and I do consider myself to be somewhat of a critical thinker.

Why would the United States and Canada refuse to help a boat load of Jewish refugees?

Could it be that for propaganda purposes the Jewish people have been exploited in a similar way to how the USA pretends that their Civil War was about freeing African American slaves?


According to the authors Rabbi Ted Falcon & David Blatner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatner) in Judaism for Dummies, when the “St Louis was turned away from Cuba…, America not only refused their entry but even fired a warning shot to keep them away from Florida’s shores”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

Why would the USA feel the need to do something like fire a warning shot at a boat full of 1000 Jewish people seeking help and safety?

Wiki is the worst place to read about anything. Also a google search for Voyage of the Dammed now brings up a Doctor Who episode. This is only recent. The Voyage of the Dammed is known as The Voyage of the Dammed and a google search would find the topic straight up not that long ago.

It doesnt make any sense does it? It does not fit the western narrative for WW2 in any way shape or form.

The Voyage of the Dammed was one clear thing that I have come across that made me question the stories we have been told about WW2.

I think The Voyage of the Dammed is a very good topic to learn about. After you explore that I would recommend learning about what the allies did to Dresden.

I think The Voyage of the Dammed and what happened at Dresden were two of the most horrible things of the period and they do not fit the narrative at all. It makes me sick to think about a ship full of Jewish people asking for help and America not only refusing any help but also firing on the ship.

Why didnt America help these Jewish refugees?

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:17 AM
Its enough to make your head hurt right?

(:

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:25 AM
Were the pommies concerned about the Jewish people when they declared war on Germany? Or were they worried about pommy interests?

Did Hitler and the National Socialist Party make the German public so angry at the Jewish community? Or was it popular opinion within Germany at the time due to the fact that the Jewish Germans were really the only community within Germany that did well under the crushing terms of the Treaty of Versailles that was forced upon the German people by the victors of WW1?

Have we really been getting the truth in relation to WW2? Was it really so simple and black and white? Really so Disney-like.

We good, they bad...

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:30 AM
Why would 100000 to 150000 Jews fight for Germany in WW2? Did they consider themselves to be German first, Jewish second?

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:30 AM
Why did a famous Jewish woman nominate Hitler for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:32 AM
Why didnt the Jewish people that disliked the National Socialist Party leave Germany? Especially after they were told they were no longer citizens and had a big J stamped on their passports?

Was it because nobody would take them? America wouldnt help obviously. Didnt anyone want the Jewish people?

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:39 AM
Did Hitler really snub Owens at the 1936 Olympics? Or is this a myth pushed by hollywood?

Didnt the Olympic Committee ask Hitler to stop personally congratulating athletes after the first day because they felt he was hogging the attention? And did Hitler not agree to do as asked and didnt see any athletes when Owens won medals?

How did the US President treat the American hero?

Why did America send him to Germany with no shoes? The Germans gave him shoes. Owens said himself that he felt more comfortable in Germany than his own segregated nation during the Olympics. In Germany a black person could use the same toilets, restaurants and motels and stuff.

Of course Hitler was disappointed that his German didnt win and of course Hitler was a racist. It was a very racist world back then. Far more racist in America than Germany though.

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:40 AM
When you actually have a good look at WW2 it does not add up at all.

Its a real can of worms.

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:42 AM
When I saw a doco about what happened in Dresden it really did make me sick.

Maybe start with what was done to Dresden. I found it hard to believe. I thought we were good guys before I had seen that.

Take a good close look at evil Churchill too. And dont forget his tactics in WW1.

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:44 AM
Dont worry. You wont become a 'nazi'. That isnt even a real word.

Mister D
08-07-2013, 08:46 AM
:laugh:

strollingbonez
08-07-2013, 08:48 AM
perhaps a study of history as an intergration of social, economical and culture issues will explain much of what you are questioning

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:50 AM
And answer this.

Why did Germany struggle so much while they had Jewish people holding the majority of the top positions of employment and in society?

Why did Germany turn from basketcase to envy of the world when the Jewish community were removed from all the top jobs and replaced with the former low socio economic Germans? In just four short years.

Did the Jewish community actually deserve the top jobs in Germany under the crushing Treaty of Versailles? Or was there a glass ceiling for German Germans in Germany at that time?

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:51 AM
Perhaps.

Germanicus
08-07-2013, 08:55 AM
If any of these questions border on being anti-semitic I apologize. ( and disagree ) I am not anti-semitic at all. I think Jewish girls are the second hottest chicks in the world behind Japanese chicks. Jewish girls are so hot.

I have no problem with Jewish people. I cant believe the world did so little to help the Jews in Germany under Hitler before the evil became boundless.

I really do hate being lied to though. How the west explains WW2 is full of lies to the point of being ridiculous.

roadmaster
08-07-2013, 09:14 PM
Why did a famous Jewish woman nominate Hitler for a Nobel Peace Prize? There are many questions unanswered. We were thrown into a war we should have stayed out of.

jillian
08-07-2013, 09:15 PM
There are many questions unanswered. We were thrown into a war we should have stayed out of.

you think we should have stayed out of WWII?

what a shock

jillian
08-07-2013, 09:18 PM
Why would 100000 to 150000 Jews fight for Germany in WW2? Did they consider themselves to be German first, Jewish second?

stories.... absolutely nothing to substantiate.

jillian
08-07-2013, 09:19 PM
There are many questions unanswered. We were thrown into a war we should have stayed out of.

except that's a lie told on storefront.

is that where you read it?

roadmaster
08-07-2013, 09:20 PM
except that's a lie told on storefront.

is that where you read it?

What storefront? In a mall or something.

jillian
08-07-2013, 09:33 PM
What storefront? In a mall or something.

autocorrect, genius. it was stormfront. but you know that,

roadmaster
08-07-2013, 09:34 PM
you think we should have stayed out of WWII?

what a shock Why is it a shock to you? Why should our men and woman fight for others? It wasn't our war.

jillian
08-07-2013, 09:39 PM
Why is it a shock to you? Why should our men and woman fight for others? It wasn't our war.

yeah, what's 11 million people... :rolleyes:

it's a shock to me when people are so vapid and so full of hate that they think hitler should have taken over europe.

and are so ignorant that they think we didn't have an interest in preventing it

roadmaster
08-07-2013, 09:46 PM
yeah, what's 11 million people... :rolleyes:

it's a shock to me when people are so vapid and so full of hate that they think hitler should have taken over europe.

and are so ignorant that they think we didn't have an interest in preventing it We did you fight in the war? Did your ancestors? Mine did.

Germanicus
08-08-2013, 03:18 AM
Hey mate. I agree.

I like America. Mostly. When I read that the American public were against forcing the crushing terms of Treaty of Versailles on the German people it made sense to me. Americans knew the punishing terms were cruel and unfair. Americans knew that the 'treaty' was a terrible idea.

This is why America did not enter WW2 straight away. Because the American public is much smarter and much better than the lost cause pommy public.

Americans were saying "I told you so" to the stupid pommies, stupid French and Australians.

Americans are alright. American were much better before WW2 though.

Germanicus
08-08-2013, 03:22 AM
Stormfront is a place of complete and utter morons.

Most of the people on stormfront seem to support racist anti-Muslim groups like the EDL/ADL . There are Tea Party people there too..

Its a joke. Those people on that site are racist idiots.

Dunderheads..

Germanicus
08-08-2013, 03:28 AM
Mate, sometimes it seems that the attention and importance placed on the holocaust is an ongoing insult to all the brave men and women that gave their lives for their nation.

Australia lost more lives per capita than any other peoples. WW2 was somewhat of an Australian holocaust.

WW2 was wrong from every angle.

edit- And if anyone has ever read about the Japanese POW camps they would see that the focus on Jewish prisoners is very insulting. Changi was no holiday camp for the captured allies. Death rates were astounding in Japanese POW camps.

And the Japanese thought nothing of a man that allowed himself to be taken prisoner by the enemy and avoided a warriors death.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEBzDJnsrUk

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 09:57 AM
Stormfront is a place of complete and utter morons.

Most of the people on stormfront seem to support racist anti-Muslim groups like the EDL/ADL . There are Tea Party people there too..

Its a joke. Those people on that site are racist idiots.

Dunderheads..

Stormfront and the black Nationalist have more members than most sites put together including the NRA.

Adelaide
08-08-2013, 01:27 PM
The refusal of the US, Canada and Britain to take in Jewish immigrants coming on ships is one of those little facts our history books (at high school level - meaning everyone should have read/have access to) leave out because our "win" would be tainted if the complete truth were to be told. We write our ow history, and we don't want to write bad things about ourselves unless we absolutely must.

Adelaide
08-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Why would 100000 to 150000 Jews fight for Germany in WW2? Did they consider themselves to be German first, Jewish second?

Can you substantiate this?

Assuming this is true, they would have had to have hidden their backgrounds. The German army only accepted Aryan applicants; this is very well established. If the options were:

1) be worked to death in a labour camp,
2) live in a ghetto where conditions were abhorrent,
3) be killed in gas chambers,
4) be experimented on with cruel and inhumane human testing, or
5) pretend to be a Nazi enthusiast...

... You're going to pick #5 if they'll believe you aren't of Jewish descent. If Jews fought for Germany then they had to have hidden their identities and had to make the hard choice of dying with their communities and friends, or choosing to lie and fight for a group that would turn around and kill them on the spot if they were discovered to be Jewish.

Mister D
08-08-2013, 01:40 PM
Can you substantiate this?

Assuming this is true, they would have had to have hidden their backgrounds. The German army only accepted Aryan applicants; this is very well established. If the options were:

1) be worked to death in a labour camp,
2) live in a ghetto where conditions were abhorrent,
3) be killed in gas chambers,
4) be experimented on with cruel and inhumane human testing, or
5) pretend to be a Nazi enthusiast...

... You're going to pick #5 if they'll believe you aren't of Jewish descent. If Jews fought for Germany then they had to have hidden their identities and had to make the hard choice of dying with their communities and friends, or choosing to lie and fight for a group that would turn around and kill them on the spot if they were discovered to be Jewish.

That (bold) is not exactly true. The Waffen SS in particular but also the regular army accepted millions of men from all over Europe including Bosnian Muslims. It has been argued that some Jews did in fact flee into the German military,

Mister D
08-08-2013, 01:41 PM
The refusal of the US, Canada and Britain to take in Jewish immigrants coming on ships is one of those little facts our history books (at high school level - meaning everyone should have read/have access to) leave out because our "win" would be tainted if the complete truth were to be told. We write our ow history, and we don't want to write bad things about ourselves unless we absolutely must.

Strategic bombing was far more horrific.

jillian
08-08-2013, 01:54 PM
That (bold) is not exactly true. The Waffen SS in particular but also the regular army accepted millions of men from all over Europe including Bosnian Muslims. It has been argued that some Jews did in fact flee into the German military,

it has been 'argued' on stormfront. it is a lie.

Mister D
08-08-2013, 01:57 PM
it has been 'argued' on stormfront. it is a lie.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375988187&sr=8-1&keywords=Hitler%27s+Jewish+Soldiers

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Adelaide
08-08-2013, 02:16 PM
That (bold) is not exactly true. The Waffen SS in particular but also the regular army accepted millions of men from all over Europe including Bosnian Muslims. It has been argued that some Jews did in fact flee into the German military,

If you look at war documents, soldiers had to sign a declaration that they were of the "white Aryan" race. It's possible that they would have recruited out of absolute necessity, particularly once they were becoming more and more in trouble, but they definitely would not take on known Jews.

Edit: I also just did a check, and it would appear that Germans would consider Serbians part of the Aryan race on the Ethnographische Karte (I found it on wikipedia, might not be the best source, admittedly).

Mister D
08-08-2013, 02:23 PM
If you look at war documents, soldiers had to sign a declaration that they were of the "white Aryan" race. It's possible that they would have recruited out of absolute necessity, particularly once they were becoming more and more in trouble, but they definitely would not take on known Jews.

I agree. Nazi officialdom certainly would have frowned on that to put it mildly. Whether any of their comrades knew their origin is another matter.

The Germans began recruiting ethnic Germans and Scandinavians into the SS and the army from early on. There were French volunteers as well including Catholics, adventurers, and assorted right wingers. Manpower problems by late 1942 led to the gradual loosening of racial codes. Millions of non-Germans served in the Waffen SS which was in some sense the first pan-European army of the modern era.

Peter1469
08-08-2013, 02:41 PM
If you look at war documents, soldiers had to sign a declaration that they were of the "white Aryan" race. It's possible that they would have recruited out of absolute necessity, particularly once they were becoming more and more in trouble, but they definitely would not take on known Jews.

Edit: I also just did a check, and it would appear that Germans would consider Serbians part of the Aryan race on the Ethnographische Karte (I found it on wikipedia, might not be the best source, admittedly).

There was a group of Jews in the Baltics that Hitler left alone after they proved their ethnic origins- they came from the Crimea. I don't remember the story enough to relate it here. Their current synagogue is about the size of my apartment.

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 04:09 PM
it has been 'argued' on stormfront. it is a lie. Do you visit stormfront a lot?

jillian
08-08-2013, 05:54 PM
Do you visit stormfront a lot?

No. But it seems you do. Because when I googled, all the lies....oops.... "Unanswered questions" linked back to stormfront

Mister D
08-08-2013, 06:09 PM
No. But it seems you do. Because when I googled, all the lies....oops.... "Unanswered questions" linked back to stormfront

I already proved you wrong. So it looks like stormfront is right and you look foolish...again. :grin:

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 09:45 PM
No. But it seems you do. Because when I googled, all the lies....oops.... "Unanswered questions" linked back to stormfront You said it was there not me. None of my links came from there.

jillian
08-08-2013, 10:20 PM
You said it was there not me. None of my links came from there.

no. and unless your comprehension skills are sub literate stop making up things just to suit some lunatic agenda of yours. i said when i googled the "questions" that you "believe" are "unanswered" the sources for those "questions" were all linked to stormfront.

now run along

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 10:22 PM
no. and unless your comprehension skills are sub literate stop making up things just to suit some lunatic agenda of yours. i said when i googled the "questions" that you "believe" are "unanswered" the sources for those "questions" were all linked to stormfront.

now run along Well I am sure some of them don't like Jews not all. Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 10:33 PM
Khalid Mohammed is the one you need to watch out for. Leader of the Black Nationalist. Stormfront and David Duke doesn't come close to this organization.

Mr Happy
08-08-2013, 10:41 PM
Khalid Mohammed is the one you need to watch out for. Leader of the Black Nationalist. Stormfront and David Duke doesn't come close to this organization.

Dunno about David Duke these days, but Stormfront is nasty no matter which way you put it..

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 10:45 PM
Dunno about David Duke these days, but Stormfront is nasty no matter which way you put it.. Some of his members are but Duke doesn't call for all blacks and Jews to be murdered. Khalid Mohammed does.

jillian
08-08-2013, 10:46 PM
Some of his members are but Duke doesn't call for all blacks and Jews to be murdered. Khalid Mohammed does.

which has nothing to do with this topic and the fact that you like defending hatred.

well, as long as it's white christian hatred.

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 10:50 PM
which has nothing to do with this topic and the fact that you like defending hatred.

well, as long as it's white christian hatred. Are you asking me if I hate Duke, no. Don't even hate the other but am aware of what they stand for. If you hate them that's your problem not mine.

roadmaster
08-08-2013, 10:53 PM
Khalid Mohammed . Just hates whites and especially Jews.