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MMC
01-03-2012, 09:09 AM
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran threatened Tuesday to take action if the U.S. Navy moves an aircraft carrier into the Gulf, Tehran's most aggressive statement yet after weeks of saber-rattling as new U.S. and EU financial sanctions take a toll on its economy.

Queues formed at banks and some currency exchange offices shut their doors as Iranians scrambled to buy dollars to protect their savings from the currency's fall.

"Iran will not repeat its warning ... the enemy's carrier has been moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill. I recommend and emphasize to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," army chief Salehi said.

The EU is expected to impose new sanctions by the end of this month, possibly including a ban on oil imports.
Even Iran's top trading partner China - which has refused to back new global sanctions against Iran - is demanding discounts to buy Iranian oil as Tehran's options narrow. Beijing has cut its imports of Iranian crude by more than half for January and, paying premiums for crude from Russia and Vietnam to replace it.

The European Union is expected to consider new measures by the end of this month, possibly including a blockade. EU members such as such as crisis-hit Greece are still buyers of Iranian oil, which trades at a discount.

Some exchange offices in Tehran, when contacted by Reuters, said there was no trading taking place until further notice.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-threatens-action-u-carrier-returns-irna-082124042.html
Reuters – 59 mins ago.....More Here!

Things just got very real for us in the Persian Gulf. This threat came as Irans Market are being hit. I think China with having some of our debt is backing our play. Even tho they did not ride with us on these New Rounds of Sanctions.

Now the French have upped the ante. As Czarkosy has stated he is going for the oil Embargo. But to let the Iranians know they plan to request a blockade of Iran. Was a Pig-headed move by the French. Should have kept their mouths shut. Don't tell them anything until it is in progress. Now all the French have done is tipped everyone's hands. So now the Iranians will start mobilizing for war. IMO right now they are moving round some Sams.

Does any believe now that the Iranian threats are hollow? Their currency exchanges have been closed. Their markets are now Closed. Which means any they trade with has been put on hold, for the moment. Wonder what Putin will say about this?

Also there have been several Analysts that state to offset the Oil the Saudis were going to compensate for such. But all say Saudia Arabia is unable to do so. Now with Iran threatening our Navy, Oil Markets have begun to rise again. :undecided:

Conley
01-03-2012, 10:43 AM
I believe their threats are hollow for now. They cannot dictate where our carriers go. We will return our carrier to the Gulf and if they are foolish enough to attack I'm not convinced that would be a bad thing at all. It would likely mean the end of Ahmadinejad and their entire nuclear program.

MMC
01-03-2012, 11:00 AM
I am not so worried about Ahmed. Its the Clerics! As I do not think their population will rise up against them. Now Ahmed I could see the Clerics bailing on him. Which then he is a mute point. As I doubt he has the Army and their Guard backing him over those Clerics.

Oh already we have that carrier headed back there.....so it looks like we are going to give them their choice!

Conley
01-03-2012, 11:05 AM
I just don't see them attacking our carrier. I don't know about the clerics staying in power, it is hard to tell what the attitude of the people is in Iran. There have been protests as you know...when is the carrier scheduled to arrive?

MMC
01-03-2012, 11:24 AM
I just don't see them attacking our carrier. I don't know about the clerics staying in power, it is hard to tell what the attitude of the people is in Iran. There have been protests as you know...when is the carrier scheduled to arrive?

The aircraft carrier USS John C Stennis leads a U.S. Navy task force in the region. It is now in the Arabian Sea providing air support for the war in Afghanistan, said Lieutenant Rebecca Rebarich, spokeswoman for the U.S. 5th Fleet.

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Brent crude futures were up more than $4 Tuesday afternoon in London, pushing above $111 a barrel on the news of potential threats to supply in the Gulf, as well as strong Chinese economic data.

"I think we should be very worried because the diplomacy that should accompany this rise in tension seems to be lacking on both sides," said Richard Dalton, former British ambassador to Iran and now an associate fellow at Chatham House think tank.
"I don't believe either side wants a war to start. I think the Iranians will be aware that if they block the Strait or attack a U.S. ship, they will be the losers. Nor do I think that the U.S. wants to use its military might other than as a means of pressure. However, in a state of heightened emotion on both sides, we are in a dangerous situation."

Henry Wilkinson at Janusian Risk Advisory consultants said the threats might be a bid by Iran to remind countries contemplating sanctions of the cost of havoc on oil markets.
"Such threats can cause market confidence in the global oil supply to wobble and can push up oil prices and shipping insurance prices. For the EU powers debating new sanctions, this could be quite a pinch in the current economic climate."

We wont give the time when it will arrive. Plus now since the threat. No one is allowed to comment on where the fleet is.

Conley
01-03-2012, 11:32 AM
Well it can't be hard to track a carrier fleet...this won't be the first time the Iranians have run their mouths and not followed up on it. Last week they said they would shut things down for their war games and it didn't happen.

Captain Obvious
01-03-2012, 06:08 PM
So this is an opportunity to corner the Iranians into making a hostile move. Is BO ready to trot down this path?

I doubt it.

Conley
01-03-2012, 06:39 PM
So this is an opportunity to corner the Iranians into making a hostile move. Is BO ready to trot down this path?

I doubt it.

I don't think he wants war with Iran but there's no way that the carrier group won't return to the Gulf. Can you imagine the fallout? The ball is really in Iran's court.

Peter1469
01-03-2012, 06:59 PM
So this is an opportunity to corner the Iranians into making a hostile move. Is BO ready to trot down this path?

I doubt it.

I imagine that the commander of the 5th Fleet will leave Obama little options. If needed he will commit his entire force and Obama would not dare abandon it. Should he do that, impeachment would be the best thing that would happen to him.

Captain Obvious
01-03-2012, 07:07 PM
I imagine that the commander of the 5th Fleet will leave Obama little options. If needed he will commit his entire force and Obama would not dare abandon it. Should he do that, impeachment would be the best thing that would happen to him.

Interesting. What premise would the commander be acting on, I'm curious?

Mister D
01-03-2012, 07:14 PM
I can't imagine that happening. Obama would never abandon the fleet.

Conley
01-03-2012, 07:36 PM
Agreed, I can't see that happening. Considering how many military actions he's approved of I'm not sure he's as against action in Iran as some might think. If push came to shove he would probably prefer to do it after the elections though.

Mister D
01-03-2012, 08:02 PM
Agreed, I can't see that happening. Considering how many military actions he's approved of I'm not sure he's as against action in Iran as some might think. If push came to shove he would probably prefer to do it after the elections though.

True. I don't think he'd be quick to back down from Iran.

Peter1469
01-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Interesting. What premise would the commander be acting on, I'm curious?

I expect that the Commander of the 5th Fleet has standing orders to protect his fleet. He likely has broad latitude to defend his fleet if it is attacked. Mind you, their rules of engagement are classified and I certainly wouldn't post classified info. There is no way the Commander does not have the authority to use the tools at his disposal to protect that extremely large American investment in war-machines.

Sure Obama could tell the Commander not to re-enter the Persian Gulf. That would avoid conflict. But that would make Obama look like a huge "P" word. But if the Commander gets the OK to re-enter the Gulf, he has full authority to act if attacked.

Captain Obvious
01-03-2012, 09:23 PM
I expect that the Commander of the 5th Fleet has standing orders to protect his fleet. He likely has broad latitude to defend his fleet if it is attacked. Mind you, their rules of engagement are classified and I certainly wouldn't post classified info. There is no way the Commander does not have the authority to use the tools at his disposal to protect that extremely large American investment in war-machines.

Sure Obama could tell the Commander not to re-enter the Persian Gulf. That would avoid conflict. But that would make Obama look like a huge "P" word. But if the Commander gets the OK to re-enter the Gulf, he has full authority to act if attacked.

Ok - I misinterpreted your comment to suggest that the commander might be, under some circumstance able to act unilaterally other than defensive.

Peter1469
01-03-2012, 09:40 PM
Ok - I misinterpreted your comment to suggest that the commander might be, under some circumstance able to act unilaterally other than defensive.

Oh no, not at all.

MMC
01-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I agree I don't see Obama backing down.....The only thing I don't care for with the sanctions is that Obama can waive dealing with such if it affects markets that affects economies. My thought is there is nothing to waive. Either you want sanctions that work. Or you willing to keep putting up with the same BS from the Iranians.