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Germanicus
08-23-2013, 09:37 AM
Thus in his poem “Feelings,” dedicated to his childhood sweetheart and later wife Jenny von Westphalen, Marx expressed both his megalomania and his enormous thirst for destruction:


Heaven I would comprehend
I would draw the world to me;
Living, hating, I intend
That my star shine brilliantly …

and


… Worlds I would destroy forever,
Since I can create no world;
Since my call they notice never …

Here is a classical expression of Satan’s supposed reason for hating, and rebelling against, God.


In another poem, Marx writes of his triumph after he shall have destroyed God’s created world:


Then I will be able to walk triumphantly,
Like a god, through the ruins of their kingdom.
Every word of mine is fire and action.
My breast is equal to that of the Creator.

And in his poem “Invocation of One in Despair” Marx writes,
I shall build my throne high overhead
Cold, tremendous shall its summit be.
For its bulwark – superstitious dread
For its marshal – blackest agony.[2]
The Satan theme is most explicitly set forth in Marx’s “The Fiddler,” dedicated to his father:
See this sword?
the prince of darkness
Sold it to me.
And
With Satan I have struck my deal,
He chalks the signs, beats time for me
I play the death march fast and free.

Particularly instructive is Marx’s lengthy, unfinished poetic drama of this youthful period, Oulanem, A Tragedy. In the course of this drama his hero, Oulanem, delivers a remarkable soliloquy, pouring out sustained invective, a hatred of the world and of mankind, a hatred of creation and a threat and vision of total world destruction.


Thus Oulanem pours out his vials of wrath:

… I shall howl gigantic curses on mankind:
Ha! Eternity! She is an eternal grief …
Ourselves being clockwork, blindly mechanical,
Made to be the foul-calendars of Time and Space,
Having no purpose save to happen, to be ruined,
So that there shall be something to ruin …
If there is a something which devours,
I’ll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins-
The world which bulks between me and the Abyss
I will smash to pieces with my enduring curses.
I’ll throw my arms around its harsh reality:
Embracing me, the world will dumbly pass away,
And then sink down to utter nothingness,
Perished, with no existence – that would be really living!

And


… the leaden world holds us fast,
And we are chained, shattered, empty, frightened,
Eternally chained to this marble block of Being …
and we –
We are the apes of a cold God.



http://occidentaltraditionalist.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/karl-marxs-poems-to-satan/

Im not so sure that Karl Marx was satanic. These verses from Marx's poems seem more overman than satanic.

When I read these poems by Marx they reminded me of a poem I wrote a while ago called Beyond. (:


Beyond

Brain matter beneath my nails
Fragments of smashed skull
Ripping out entrails
Of victim to the cull

This is no vivisection
I bite into your heart
Beyond disaffection
I'll tear soul apart

I want to taste your pain
Savour it a while
Feel my terror reign
See my evil smile

I'll give you decimation
Erase you from existence
Hear my proclamation
Futile is resistance

I killed Tyler Durden
Killed him really slow
He became a burden
So Tyler had to go

I have become a God
I have gained ascension
Scorched earth where I trod
Im in a new dimension

Charged through the Ninth Gate
Satan bowed before me
Riding on my hate
I came with no mercy

I put Satan to the sword
Burnt out the flames of hell
I now control his hoard
Beyond where mortals dwell

What? (: See mines cooler because I murder Satan. God has been dead for a while now. I am all about murdering Satan.


"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/friedrich_nietzsche_quotes.html

Marx was an overman not a satanist. I was thinking about The Whore of Babylon(:when I wrote my poem not Satan. I doubt the above verses are 'poems to Satan' like some seem to think or say.

Marx was overman.We kill gods. God is dead. Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6RUg-NkjY4

Chris
08-23-2013, 09:46 AM
What Nietzsche meant when he said God is dead was criticism of Christians who had strayed from their faith as if God were dead.

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM01t2cqQ4M

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 08:38 PM
This struggle between master and slave moralities recurs historically. According to Nietzsche, ancient Greek and Roman societies were grounded in master morality. The Homeric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer) hero is the strong-willed man, and the classical roots of the Iliad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliad) and Odyssey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey) exemplified Nietzsche's master morality. He calls the heroes "men of a noble culture",[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master–slave_morality#cite_note-8) giving a substantive example of master morality. Historically, master morality was defeated as the slave morality of Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master–slave_morality

An overman must kill god to become an overman.

You must kill god to achieve master morality.


The essence of master morality is nobility. Other qualities that are often valued in master moralities are open-mindedness, courage, truthfulness, trust and an accurate sense of self-worth. Master morality begins in the 'noble man' with a spontaneous idea of the good, then the idea of bad develops as what is not good. "The noble type of man experiences itself as determining values; it does not need approval; it judges, 'what is harmful to me is harmful in itself'; it knows itself to be that which first accords honour to things; it is value-creating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master–slave_morality

When you kill a God then you become a god.

The overmen are Gods. We are creating a new world based on new morality. A noble morality.

Marx was raising an army of God Killers. The socialist is a God Killer. Popes are terrified of socialists.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTbashsKic

Away with all your superstition.
We'll spurn the dust to win the prize.

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 08:44 PM
PIUS IX (1846-1878):
“Overthrow [of] the entire order of human affairs”
“You are aware indeed, that the goal of this most iniquitous plot is to drive people to overthrow the entire order of human affairs and to draw them over to the wicked theories of this Socialism and Communism, by confusing them with perverted teachings.” (Encyclical Nostis et Nobiscum, December 8, 1849)

LEO XIII (1878-1903):
Hideous monster
“...communism, socialism, nihilism, hideous deformities of the civil society of men and almost its ruin.” (Encyclical Diuturnum, June 29, 1881)

Ruin of all institutions
“... For, the fear of God and reverence for divine laws being taken away, the authority of rulers despised, sedition permitted and approved, and the popular passions urged on to lawlessness, with no restraint save that of punishment, a change and overthrow of all things will necessarily follow. Yea, this change and overthrow is deliberately planned and put forward by many associations of communists and socialists” (Encyclical Humanum Genus, April 20, 1884, n. 27).
http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/catholic-perspective/what-the-popes-have-to-say-about-socialism.html
Terrified


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUrqaJZH-04

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 09:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIqv4dxfl0

HA!

When I think of the overman I think how similar Generation Y is. Confident Generation Y. They are like mini-overmen. A potential overman generation.

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 09:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education

Maria Montessori stuff has influenced Gen Y in their formative years. And they have been raised by empathetic, free thinking Gen X.


First plane The first plane extends from birth to around six years of age. During this period, Montessori observed that the child undergoes striking physical and psychological development. The first plane child is seen as a concrete, sensorial explorer and learner engaged in the developmental work of psychological self-construction and building functional independence. Montessori introduced several concepts to explain this work, including the absorbent mind, sensitive periods, and normalization.
Absorbent mind: Montessori described the young child's behavior of effortlessly assimilating the sensorial stimuli of his or her environment, including information from the senses, language, culture, and the development of concepts with the term "absorbent mind". She believed that this is a power unique to the first plane, and that it fades as the child approached age six.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-10)
Sensitive periods: Montessori also observed periods of special sensitivity to particular stimuli during this time which she called the "sensitive periods". In Montessori education, the classroom environment responds to these periods by making appropriate materials and activities available while the periods are active in the young child. She identified the following periods and their durations:[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-11)


Acquisition of language—from birth to around six years old
Order—from around one to three years old
Sensory refinement—from birth to around four years old
Interest in small objects—from around 18 months to three years old
Social behavior—from around two and a half to four years old

Normalization: Finally, Montessori observed in children from three to six years old a psychological state she termed "normalization". Normalization arises from concentration and focus on activity which serves the child’s developmental needs, and is characterized by the ability to concentrate as well as "spontaneous discipline, continuous and happy work, social sentiments of help and sympathy for others."[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-12)
Second plane The second plane of development extends from around six to twelve years old. During this period, Montessori observed physical and psychological changes in children, and developed a classroom environment, lessons, and materials, to respond to these new characteristics. Physically, she observed the loss of baby teeth and the lengthening of the legs and torso at the beginning of the plane, and a period of uniform growth following. Psychologically, she observed the "herd instinct", or the tendency to work and socialize in groups, as well as the powers of reason and imagination. Developmentally, she believed the work of the second plane child is the formation of intellectual independence, of moral sense, and of social organization.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-13)
Third plane The third plane of development extends from around twelve to around eighteen years of age, encompassing the period of adolescence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolescence). Montessori characterized the third plane by the physical changes of puberty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty) and adolescence, but also psychological changes. She emphasized the psychological instability and difficulties in concentration of this age, as well as the creative tendencies and the development of "a sense of justice and a sense of personal dignity." She used the term "valorization" to describe the adolescents' drive for an externally derived evaluation of their worth. Developmentally, Montessori believed that the work of the third plane child is the construction of the adult self in society.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-14)
Fourth plane The fourth plane of development extends from around eighteen years to around twenty-four years old. Montessori wrote comparatively little about this period and did not develop an educational program for the age. She envisioned young adults prepared by their experiences in Montessori education at the lower levels ready to fully embrace the study of culture and the sciences in order to influence and lead civilization. She believed that economic independence in the form of work for money was critical for this age, and felt that an arbitrary limit to the number of years in university level study was unnecessary, as the study of culture could go on throughout a person's life.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-15)
Education and peace As Montessori developed her theory and practice, she came to believe that education had a role to play in the development of world peace.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education#cite_note-16) She felt that children allowed to develop according to their inner laws of development would give rise to a more peaceful and enduring civilization. From the 1930s to the end of her life, she gave a number of lectures and addresses on the subject, saying in 1936,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education

The Overman will decide the Fifth Plane.

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 09:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InAcBrN29TE

You need to love yourself to be overman. The overman has no original sin. The overman loves himself so the overman can love others. The overman trusts himself so the overman can trust others.

"The essence of master morality is nobility. Other qualities that are often valued in master moralities are open-mindedness, courage, truthfulness, trust and an accurate sense of self-worth." - Wiki (:

Wiki is correct on this. What should jump out at you is "accurate sense of self worth".

The overman needs an accurate sense of self worth so the overman can avoid destructive envy/jealousy. These things are not good.

The overman is not in a constant state of cognitive dissonance. The overman has accurate sense of self worth.The overman has modesty that stems from not requiring the approval of others.

You can still be confident and have an accurate sense of self worth. You can still know you are awesome and have an accurate sense of self worth. You can still love yourself and have an accurate sense of self worth.

The overman has nothing to do with being SS material.

Gen Y is the generation where every player gets a trophy. They are socialist. They dont like pass the parcel or musical chairs. They like games that have no winners or losers.They want a Jack London style survival of the fittest but everyone survives type socialism. A socialism where all comrades are awesome and all comrades want to and enjoy playing.

The overmancan appreciate the accomplishments and value of others. They are not petty or selfish. They have no reason to be wretched.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShiShrR_nh8

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 10:02 PM
3699
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
3700
http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/the-seven-virtues/RAE07M59BboKdA?hl=en

Not everything will have to go. The master morality is not selfish or petty. Master morality is good.

A good deed is its own reward to the overman.

People are confused about the overman. First the SS stuff and now many associate the overman with Brad Pits character from Fight Club.

"I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I'm free in all the ways that you are not."- Tyler Durden

Tyler Durden is an anarchist that believes in violent rebellion. He is also kinda petty. The character is not overman.

The overman believes in transition. The watchwords of the overman should be transition and combination.

The overman offers true liberty and true freedom. The overman has come to liberate you. Not to enslave you.

(:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc89WTEh-jE

The overman is an antichrist not an anarchist. We believe in transition. The transition to true freedom and true liberty will be smooth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0TSfNlU4u8

No good combination will be destroyed. The overman will be very careful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRGDqA6g6Zo

Boris The Animal
08-23-2013, 10:08 PM
What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 11:35 PM
The only one of the late 1st/early 2nd Century Apostolic Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Fathers) to use the term is Polycarp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp) (ca. 69 – ca. 155) who warned the Philippians that everyone who preached false doctrine was an antichrist.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist#cite_note-8) His use of the term Antichrist follows that of the New Testament in not identifying a single personal Antichrist, but a class of people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

Germanicus
08-23-2013, 11:48 PM
The New Wave Socialist will be an overman.

The New Wave Socialism will be a coalition of coalitions.

The Overman class is the antichrist class.

Germanicus
08-24-2013, 12:09 AM
Confucius was an overman. He created a new morality. The Chinese certainly do not have 'original sin'. The nation of China and its millions have a noble culture that is not rooted in religion. Confucianism is all about the best combinations. The Chinese culture is the closestthing there is to an overman culture.

North Korea have no religion(officially)but the morality and culture they have created is backward, uninspired and unprogressive. The CPC is quite progressive. The CPC are an overman party.

The closest the west has to an overman party is the SYRIZA coalition in Greece. They make me yawn.

The overman gets to create a new morality just like Confucius did. Free of original sin and fear of god.

Boris The Animal
08-24-2013, 07:51 AM
You do know of course, that Satan was defeated at the Cross and that his ultimate fate, as well as the fate of all who reject G-d and His free gift of Salvation through Christ is eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire.