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MMC
01-12-2012, 07:08 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Wednesday that a new aircraft carrier strike group had arrived in the Arabian Sea and that another was on its way to the region, but denied any link to recent tensions with Iran and portrayed the movements as routine.

The shift in the powerful U.S. naval assets comes at a moment of heightened tensions with Iran, which has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz - the world's most important oil shipping lane - if U.S. and EU sanctions over its nuclear program cut off its oil exports.

Still, the Pentagon denied any direct link between recent tensions and the movement of aircraft carriers.

Military officials said the USS Carl Vinson arrived in the Arabian Sea on Monday to replace the outgoing USS John C. Stennis carrier strike group, which Iran last week warned not to return to the Gulf after departing in late December.

The Stennis was due to return to its home port in San Diego but the Pentagon did not say when that would happen.

Another carrier strike group, led by the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, concluded a port visit to Thailand on Tuesday and was now in the Indian Ocean. It is on track to join the Vinson in the Central Command area of operations, which begins in the neighboring Arabian Sea.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-moves-carriers-denies-iran-023925806.html
Reuters – 21 hrs ago.....<<<<<More Here!

It Appears as if we are getting prepared for something to take place.....Ahmedinajihad accused Israel and us today of killing their scientist. Moreover they now know Iran has moved things under their supposed hardened bunker, under a Mountain. That they are Enriching Uranium up to 20%. We already got word from the UN Watchdog. Plus didnt they say they had enough material to arm several warheads already.

Of course we are not going to come out and tell the World why we are doing anything. No plans for the Stennis to leave? Plus the Lincoln Strike Group is hooking up with the Vinson. Coming over from the Indian Ocean. Thats 3 carrier Strike Groups. Plus neither side's rhetoric is backing up. Things are escalating not ratcheting down. :undecided:

Conley
01-12-2012, 07:14 PM
Well, my first choice would be for Iran to STFU but if they won't then I am glad we have at least two carrier groups going there. The Iranians cannot be the ones to dictate where our carriers go and for now at least the Strait of Hormuz is of huge importance to us. I have less of a problem with this conflict as at least we know it is about our national interests and security. We'll see what Iran does next.

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTIoezhRS3g&amp;feature=related

It truly is a joke CL.....just take a look at Irans Military. I will throw up some of their stuff for ou to see. This is what they call their Stealth Flying Boats. (shakes head, chuckling)

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyiDylG87fw&amp;feature=related

In this one they say they put missiles on the Hovercraft FLEET. Another joke! Plus the loop the same tape over and over again. If this shit wasn't serious it would be darn right comical. BTW these are from what they have put out there. :laugh:

Conley
01-12-2012, 07:31 PM
Did you read about the missile launchers that they photoshopped? Hilarious

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/10/world/ledemissiles1.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/10/world/ledemissiles2.jpg

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDkkB9uhaDs&amp;feature=related

Their Speed Boats.....they have 3 types.

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8ZzZ0eh-E&amp;feature=related

Their torpedo boats.....plus they say they have some that can launch rockets now.

Yeah I knew about their propaganda. Wait until you see their stuff saying the Most Powerful in the World and what not. I cannot believe it myself.

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=205nyq--0iA&amp;feature=related

Their Missile Boats.....mixed in with their speed boats.

MMC
01-12-2012, 07:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhR5iR8mSFU&amp;feature=related

Truly unbelievable.....these guys other than their subs and miniboats have nothing that can stand up to us. Their Shit looks like it is fresh out of WWII. So they have to go with mines, robotic models, Air defense as they have no offensive punch.

Conley
01-12-2012, 08:12 PM
Any naval battles will be over before they begin but don't discount unconventional attacks.

XrazyHorse
01-12-2012, 10:54 PM
Hell, with all that firepower at their disposal, we should simply bow to the inevitable and close the straight for them. :grin:

It would hurt them more than it would hurt us.

Conley
01-12-2012, 10:58 PM
:laugh: At this point I'm inclined to say you're right. That would definitely make things interesting. Ahmadinejad should be careful what he wishes for...if he wants it closed, we'll close it!

wingrider
01-13-2012, 12:36 AM
I 100 percent agree .. lets just put and aircraft carrier in the strait and stop all traffic for about 60 days.. that would probably do it. by the way does oil taste good? cause those iranians are gonna be eating a lot of it if they can't move it.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 04:48 PM
Watch to see if a 3rd or 4th carrier strike group shows up. If so, it will be war.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 04:49 PM
And I think that the administration learned the wrong lesson from the Libyan war. If they think they can defeat Iran with air and naval power alone, they are delusional.

Conley
01-13-2012, 04:57 PM
And I think that the administration learned the wrong lesson from the Libyan war. If they think they can defeat Iran with air and naval power alone, they are delusional.

It worked well in GW1 though, didn't it? Obviously the aims were different and I'm not advocating a full out offensive, but creating a coalition and a long term bombardment could definitely cause some damage. It depends what the goal is.

MMC
01-13-2012, 04:59 PM
Watch to see if a 3rd or 4th carrier strike group shows up. If so, it will be war.


The Stennis hasnt left nor are there plans to.....the Vinson and now the USS Lincoln coming over from the Indian Ocean. Battle Strike Group looks like to me. Thats 3 Carrier Stirke Groups. Plus the Bush I thought was in Club Med.....thats the largest of our Carrier Strike groups.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 05:00 PM
GW 1 was not won by the air. Infantry and armor had to seize terrain and kill people and break things. Air power made it easier. That is why they call it combined arms tactics.

In Libya we had rebels and al Qaeda to act as our light infantry. In Iran we won't have that; and if we try to introduce our own ground forces you will see the biggest loss of US life in war since WWII. We don't have the ability to invade Iran without suffering huge losses.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 05:01 PM
The Stennis hasnt left nor are there plans to.....the Vinson and now the USS Lincoln coming over from the Indian Ocean. Battle Strike Group looks like to me. Thats 3 Carrier Stirke Groups. Plus the Bush I thought was in Club Med.....thats the largest of our Carrier Strike groups.

Is not the GW at Japan? A one week float....

Conley
01-13-2012, 05:03 PM
GW1 was not won with air superiority alone but it certainly did make things much easier for the ground forces. If we and the nations of the world instituted a bombing campaign like that you really think our military would suffer greater casualties than Vietnam? I don't see it.

Conley
01-13-2012, 05:05 PM
I thought the Stennis had left but they are not saying publicly where it is now.

The quote says two carrier groups:


"I don't want to leave anybody with the impression that we're somehow [speeding] two carriers over there because we're concerned about what happened, you know, today in Iran. It's just not the case," said Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman.


http://www.military.com/news/article/us-moves-carriers-denies-iran-link.html


I think the Stennis is being swapped out on schedule.

In the Gulf of Oman recently, freeing the Iranians along with the Kidd

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/world/middleeast/for-iranians-held-by-pirates-us-to-the-rescue.html?_r=2

MMC
01-13-2012, 05:06 PM
Is not the GW at Japan? A one week float....

I am not certain.....the last I heard of it was during Libya. After that I havent heard anything. I thought the Reagan was in Japan as they had assisted with the Nuclear fallout there.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 05:15 PM
GW1 was not won with air superiority alone but it certainly did make things much easier for the ground forces. If we and the nations of the world instituted a bombing campaign like that you really think our military would suffer greater casualties than Vietnam? I don't see it.

Iran is surrounded by mountains that are easy to defend and easy for the defenders to avoid air power.

Believe me, the only way through those mountains without extremely heavy casualties to to use nukes.

Nobody is going to invade Iran.

MMC
01-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Military officials said the USS Carl Vinson arrived in the Arabian Sea on Monday to replace the outgoing USS John C. Stennis carrier strike group, which Iran last week warned not to return to the Gulf after departing in late December

"The Stennis was due to return to its home port in San Diego but the Pentagon did not say when that would happen.".....snip~

Another carrier strike group, led by the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, concluded a port visit to Thailand on Tuesday and was now in the Indian Ocean. It is on track to join the Vinson in the Central Command area of operations, which begins in the neighboring Arabian Sea.....snip~

I havent heard anything on the Bush tho.....not to mention we can send in drones from the Afghanistan side. Some were hinting at something thru Azberzidjhan(sp) Don't know if they meant us or sombody else.

MMC
01-13-2012, 05:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3A849MOm9I

Iranian Army.....:wink:

MMC
01-13-2012, 05:29 PM
“The (Iranian) Khatam al-Anbiya Air Defense Base is capable of detecting, identifying, intercepting and countering different types of radar-evading planes and enemy's cruise missiles... in the country's skies,” said Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili.....snip~

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/06/iran-develops-technology-to-spot.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHiBsq_gUY

Conley
01-13-2012, 05:35 PM
Iran is surrounded by mountains that are easy to defend and easy for the defenders to avoid air power.

Believe me, the only way through those mountains without extremely heavy casualties to to use nukes.

Nobody is going to invade Iran.

Right, they can go hide in the mountains like the Taliban. On the other hand though they can't take their equipment and infrastructure with them which our air forces can bombard. What is the alternative, sit back until they have fully realized nuclear capabilities?

MMC
01-13-2012, 05:38 PM
Check that.....the Flagship of the Fleet was last seen in Norfolk Va Dec 23rd 2011.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 06:22 PM
Right, they can go hide in the mountains like the Taliban. On the other hand though they can't take their equipment and infrastructure with them which our air forces can bombard. What is the alternative, sit back until they have fully realized nuclear capabilities?

Yes, I don't believe that Iran can project conventional military power beyond its boarders if nations with advanced air power seek to deny them this.

Conley
01-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Well hopefully the assassinations are setting them back. I can't imagine a lot of physicists are lining up for that work considering the number that have been offed.

Alias
01-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Well hopefully the assassinations are setting them back. I can't imagine a lot of physicists are lining up for that work considering the number that have been offed.

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/assets_c/2012/01/Iranian job center-thumb-700xauto-765.jpg

Conley
01-13-2012, 07:20 PM
:laugh: ...and I said Oranges :lipsrsealed:

MMC
01-13-2012, 07:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51Tds0_B2c

Tension between the U.S. and Iran is being ratcheted up on what seems like a daily basis. Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan from the Natanz uranium enrichment plant was killed in a car bomb on Wednesday. Tehran has accused Israel of what they've called a "heinous act". Washington denied any role in the death. This incident is the latest in a series of mysterious incidents involving Iran's nuclear industry. Columnist and veteran war correspondent Eric Margolis believes Tehran is willing to retaliate, but is being cautious at the moment.....snip~

MMC
01-13-2012, 07:45 PM
The United States has used a secret communications channel to dispatch a diplomatic communication to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warning against any threat to close the Strait of Hormuz, the New York Times reports.
The Obama administration employed the back channel "to warn Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that closing the Strait of Hormuz is a 'red line' that would provoke an American response, according to United States government officials," the Times' Pentagon correspondents Elizabeth Bumiller, Thom Shanker and Eric Schmitt wrote (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=1654mi1rv/EXP=1327711358/**http%3A//www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/world/middleeast/us-warns-top-iran-leader-not-to-shut-strait-of-hormuz.html%3F_r=1%26%2338;partner=rss%26%2338;emc =rss%26%2338;pagewanted=print) Thursday.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/obama-used-secret-channel-warn-khamenei-153314823.html

Alias
01-13-2012, 08:04 PM
If something happens, I bet there will be a zillion mines in the strait. It will be like nothing we've ever seen.

Conley
01-13-2012, 08:08 PM
If something happens, I bet there will be a zillion mines in the strait. It will be like nothing we've ever seen.

No doubt. I wonder how it would be dealt with.

Peter1469
01-13-2012, 09:43 PM
mine sweepers

Peter1469
01-14-2012, 08:35 AM
Check this out: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/01/militarys-weapon-against-iranian-mines-high-tech-dolphins/47384/

Dolphins will find the mine!

MMC
01-14-2012, 09:11 AM
Check this out: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/01/militarys-weapon-against-iranian-mines-high-tech-dolphins/47384/

Dolphins will find the mine!


Yep I saw that.....think the activists will get mad at Obama for using Dolphins? What would really trip them out is to see a chopper drop off Captain America, Iron Man, Bat-Man, Spiderman, and the Terminator. Right there on their shores. The Iranians would flip....."what" USA sends only 5 guys? :smiley_ROFLMAO: :flag:

Conley
01-14-2012, 09:36 AM
As I understand it, it takes a lot of time and money to train those dolphins, so they're not going to use them to sweep the mines, just detect them. Sure, accidents will happen but they're not going to be blown up constantly. I guess the Iranians might try to shoot them.