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MMC
01-14-2012, 08:45 AM
The US government is concerned that Israel is preparing to take military action against Iran over US objections, and has stepped up contingency planning to safeguard US facilities in the region, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The newspaper said President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and other top officials have delivered a series of private messages to Israeli leaders, warning about the dire consequences of a strike.

To deter Iran, the United States is maintaining 15,000 troops in Kuwait, and has moved a second aircraft carrier strike group to the Persian Gulf area, the paper said.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/us-concerned-over-possible-israel-strike-iran-052749818.html
AFP – 7 hrs ago<<<<< More here.

Shit is about to hit the fan. :poopfan: Obama is sending over the Joint Chief of Staff to talk to Israeli Military next week. With that new AEIA report out and that Iran has enough Uranium to make 7 or 8 bombs already. I don't think the Israelis are going to wait. Especially knowing they can now enrich up to 20%. To have Obama call up and warn Israel don't do anything repeatedly. What does this tell us?

The French were the first to speak out against Israel taking any action. Then us and this is now the third time we are telling Israel to back-off. IMO the Israelis have already given Obama their answer. He wouldn't be making repeated phone calls. Sending others. He wouldnt be rushing over a Joint Chief of Staff for nothing. As Panetta also Warned the Israelis.

Why not send Clinton the S.O.S. to do her damn job? Why are we always paying for some special envoy to go or for all these repeated trips. There is a thing called video-conferencing. Not that I am saying all meetings should be this way with this type hot potato on the table. Now all are people on Alert. Wonder why we don't here about that DEFCOM status anymore? Right now the pinball machine is on it's way to Tilt!!!!! :clock:

MMC
01-14-2012, 09:26 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/us-says-iran-navy-harassed-us-ships-gulf-231627422.html
AFP – 14 hrs ago<<<<<More here.
The first incident occurred as the USS New Orleans, an amphibious transport ship, was sailing last week through the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf.

Three Iranian Navy speed boats rapidly approached within 500 yards of the US ship, according to US officials cited by CNN.

The second incident involved a US Coast Guard cutter off the Kuwaiti coast, similarly approached by an Iranian speedboat.

Sailors aboard the cutter USCGC Adak reported seeing Iranians aboard the speed boat brandishing AK-47 assault rifles and a heavy machine gun, CNN said.

"I can confirm there was some harassment," a senior official told AFP.....snip~

Iran knows we do not want to get into a War.....so they are probing us as well as taunting us. Experts agree that the US cannot come off as a paper-tiger. Plus now the Brits just got done Warning the Iranians not to close the Strait of Hormuz. That the world will not tolerate such. Russia warned the EU not to apply those sanctions that Obama wanted. Citing economies and markets were already bad.

Obama sent Giethner to China to get them to go along with the sanctions against Iran. I didnt hear any other word. Except that China warned the US not to mettle in their affairs.

Conley
01-14-2012, 09:39 AM
Looking at it from their perspective, I don't think Israel should wait. The rest of the world isn't doing jack squat and here you've got a country which promises to wipe you off the face of the earth about to get nukes. Israel is not going to wait to be attacked, and they know that any Iranian retaliation will lead to the US getting involved.

Israel wants war and knows once they start it we will not be able to avoid it.

I don't think there's anything Hillary, Obama, or Panetta can say to stop it. Crazy times.

MMC
01-14-2012, 10:17 AM
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Russia would regard any military intervention linked to Iran's nuclear program as a threat to its own security, Moscow's departing ambassador to NATO warned on Friday.

"Iran is our neighbor," Dmitry Rogozin told reporters in Brussels. "And if Iran is involved in any military action, it's a direct threat to our security."

"We are definitely interested in the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," Rogozin said on Friday. "But at the same time, we believe that any country has the right to have what it needs to feel comfortable, including Iran.".....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-threatened-iran-military-action-153640749.html
Reuters – 20 hrs ago

Mister D
01-14-2012, 10:20 AM
What exactly could Iran do to retaliate against Israel? They must have a few missiles that can reach Israel but invading Israel by land would be complicated.

Conley
01-14-2012, 10:24 AM
They have missile capabilities but their land forces would remain in Iran for defense. I believe the greater offensive will be against Saudi Arabia and any foreign oil infrastructure they can destroy.

MMC
01-14-2012, 10:25 AM
Looks Like the Russians spoke for them. Whatever Israel will do will have to be undercover. They can't just waltz thru Iraq, Jordan, or Syria. Nor do I see them attempting to fly over thoses Air-Spaces. At least not in plain sight.

Mister D
01-14-2012, 10:27 AM
They have missile capabilities but their land forces would remain in Iran for defense. I believe the greater offensive will be against Saudi Arabia and any foreign oil infrastructure they can destroy.

That would only serve to isolate them. What a weird scenario. Saudi Arabia and other Arab states de facto allies of Israel?

Mister D
01-14-2012, 10:27 AM
Looks Like the Russians spoke for them. Whatever Israel will do will have to be undercover. They can't just waltz thru Iraq, Jordan, or Syria. Nor do I see them attempting to fly over thoses Air-Spaces. At least not in plain sight.

Some more car bombs. Good stuff.

Conley
01-14-2012, 10:29 AM
That would only serve to isolate them. What a weird scenario. Saudi Arabia and other Arab states de facto allies of Israel?

Info was leaked that Saudi Arabia wanted the US to attack Iran - that was months ago. Iran is already isolated, and as we've discussed their being in a corner may lead to some illogical actions out of desperation. They ultimately blame the US for all of it and the best way to hurt the US is to take out the oil.

Conley
01-14-2012, 10:30 AM
Looks Like the Russians spoke for them. Whatever Israel will do will have to be undercover. They can't just waltz thru Iraq, Jordan, or Syria. Nor do I see them attempting to fly over thoses Air-Spaces. At least not in plain sight.

What Air Force do you think will stop them?

Mister D
01-14-2012, 10:31 AM
Syria and Iraq are in turmoil. They can do nothing. The time is actually ripe for Israel.

MMC
01-14-2012, 10:40 AM
What Air Force do you think will stop them?

Not just Air Force.....Air Defense. Can the Israelis afford to take losses before the reach Iran? Be hard pressed to take losses and then get to Iran to now deal with Iranian Air Defense and then whatever Air-power they have.

Also all our people are already being warned in Iraq. Think the Iraqis won't know something is up?

Conley
01-14-2012, 10:46 AM
What's the Israeli's alternative? Wait to be nuked? They have top of the line US aircraft, I think you are underestimating their air strength. Besides, they need only start the war, the US will be the ones to finish it.

Mister D
01-14-2012, 10:46 AM
Not just Air Force.....Air Defense. Can the Israelis afford to take losses before the reach Iran? Be hard pressed to take losses and then get to Iran to now deal with Iranian Air Defense and then whatever Air-power they have.

Also all our people are already being warned in Iraq. Think the Iraqis won't know something is up?

And so what if Iraqis know something is up?

Anyway, a quick strike by Israel would be hard for Iran to deal with.

Conley
01-14-2012, 10:58 AM
And so what if Iraqis know something is up?

Anyway, a quick strike by Israel would be hard for Iran to deal with.

Exactly. What will Iraq do? Slingshots?

Mister D
01-14-2012, 11:11 AM
What's the Israeli's alternative? Wait to be nuked? They have top of the line US aircraft, I think you are underestimating their air strength. Besides, they need only start the war, the US will be the ones to finish it.

I can agree that a long term air campaign would be very difficult for Israel but I'd imagine that they know a lot more than they let on in terms of exactly where the installations are. They are also considering different means by which they can frustrate or stop Iran's program. Look at the assassination that just happened. Kudos to the Mossad.

MMC
01-14-2012, 11:12 AM
That Russian ship they stopped reached Syria with their Cargo Intact.....

US, Russian French and British air and naval forces streamed to the Syrian and Iranian coasts over the weekend on guard (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) for fresh developments at the two Middle East flashpoints.
The Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov anchored earlier than planned at Syria’s Tartus port on the Mediterranean Sunday, Jan. 8, arriving together with the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko and frigate Yaroslav Mudry. To counter this movement, France consigned an air defense destroyer Forbin to the waters off Tartus.

Debkafile’s military sources report a buildup in the last 48 hours of western naval forces opposite Iran in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea in readiness for Tehran to carry out its threat to close the Strait of Hormuz (http://www.debka.com/article/21629).

Britain has dispatched the HMS Daring, a Type 45 destroyer armed with new technology for shooting down missiles, to the Sea of Oman, due to arrive at the same time as the French Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier.

Our sources report too that Saturday, the giant RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV, took off from the USS Stenning aircraft carrier for surveillance over the coasts of Iran. The Stennis and its strike group are cruising in the Sea of Oman at the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz after Tehran announced it would not be allowed to cross (http://www.debka.com/article/21615)through.
This was the first time the US has deployed unmanned aerial vehicles over Iran since its RQ-170 stealth drone was shot down by Iran on Dec. 4. It was also the first time the huge drone was ordered to take off from an aircraft carrier for a Broad Aerial Maritime Surveillance Mission (BAMS).

After the Admiral Kuznetsov docked in Tartus Sunday with much fanfare, the Syrian Navy commander Dawoud Rajha was received on the deck by a guard of honor of marines under a flyover of Russian Su-33 and Su-25 fighter-bombers. This was taken as a signal of Moscow’s willingness to back the Assad regime up against any Western military intervention as well as a gesture of support for cooperation between Syria and Iran in their operational plans.....

Sunday, the Iranian media issued divergent statements about the situation at Iran’s underground uranium enrichment plant at Fordo, (http://www.debka.com/article/21629) near Qom: In English, the site as described as going on stream soon, while the Farsi media reported it was already operational.....snip~

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7865

:shocked:Looks like the Stennis isn't going anywheres. Where there is a Russian Aircraft Carrier..... there are Russian Firgates and Destroyers. There are Russian Subs. Both types. Not only is Putin talkin. He already has made the move. There will be no intervention in Syria and they Will Back the Iranians as they have stated.

All within 48 hrs and Catfish are jumpin, Ole Black Water, Ole Black Water, Mississippi Moon keep on shining on me! Whats that next line.....Cuz I aint got no worries, at all?!

Peter1469
01-14-2012, 11:15 AM
Iran could not possibly invade Israel.

Israel cannot possibly end Iran's nuke threat AND eliminate the Iranian forces that would attempt to shut down the Straight of Hormuz. I doubt that they can eliminate the nuke threat alone. So if Israel bombs the nuke sites other powers better be prepared to keep the Straight open or the globe will enter into a deep depression once 40% of the world's oil stops flowing.

Mister D
01-14-2012, 11:17 AM
Iran could not possibly invade Israel.

Israel cannot possibly end Iran's nuke threat AND eliminate the Iranian forces that would attempt to shut down the Straight of Hormuz. I doubt that they can eliminate the nuke threat alone. So if Israel bombs the nuke sites other powers better be prepared to keep the Straight open or the globe will enter into a deep depression once 40% of the world's oil stops flowing.

End it entirely? Perhaps not but frustrate it a great deal? I think so.

Conley
01-14-2012, 11:24 AM
That Russian ship they stopped reached Syria with their Cargo Intact.....

US, Russian French and British air and naval forces streamed to the Syrian and Iranian coasts over the weekend on guard (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) for fresh developments at the two Middle East flashpoints.
The Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov anchored earlier than planned at Syria’s Tartus port on the Mediterranean Sunday, Jan. 8, arriving together with the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko and frigate Yaroslav Mudry. To counter this movement, France consigned an air defense destroyer Forbin to the waters off Tartus.

Debkafile’s military sources report a buildup in the last 48 hours of western naval forces opposite Iran in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea in readiness for Tehran to carry out its threat to close the Strait of Hormuz (http://www.debka.com/article/21629).

Britain has dispatched the HMS Daring, a Type 45 destroyer armed with new technology for shooting down missiles, to the Sea of Oman, due to arrive at the same time as the French Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier.

Our sources report too that Saturday, the giant RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV, took off from the USS Stenning aircraft carrier for surveillance over the coasts of Iran. The Stennis and its strike group are cruising in the Sea of Oman at the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz after Tehran announced it would not be allowed to cross (http://www.debka.com/article/21615)through.
This was the first time the US has deployed unmanned aerial vehicles over Iran since its RQ-170 stealth drone was shot down by Iran on Dec. 4. It was also the first time the huge drone was ordered to take off from an aircraft carrier for a Broad Aerial Maritime Surveillance Mission (BAMS).

After the Admiral Kuznetsov docked in Tartus Sunday with much fanfare, the Syrian Navy commander Dawoud Rajha was received on the deck by a guard of honor of marines under a flyover of Russian Su-33 and Su-25 fighter-bombers. This was taken as a signal of Moscow’s willingness to back the Assad regime up against any Western military intervention as well as a gesture of support for cooperation between Syria and Iran in their operational plans.....

Sunday, the Iranian media issued divergent statements about the situation at Iran’s underground uranium enrichment plant at Fordo, (http://www.debka.com/article/21629) near Qom: In English, the site as described as going on stream soon, while the Farsi media reported it was already operational.....snip~

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7865

:shocked:Looks like the Stennis isn't going anywheres. Where there is a Russian Aircraft Carrier..... there are Russian Firgates and Destroyers. There are Russian Subs. Both types. Not only is Putin talkin. He already has made the move. There will be no intervention in Syria and they Will Back the Iranians as they have stated.

All within 48 hrs and Catfish are jumpin, Ole Black Water, Ole Black Water, Mississippi Moon keep on shining on me! Whats that next line.....Cuz I aint got no worries, at all?!

Seems like the Russians want us to leave Syria alone. I'm not convinced that Syria will enter the war on Iran's side, especially if Mother Russia tells them to cool it. I think Russia has a lot more control over Syria than the US does over Israel.

As far as Iraq doing anything to the Israeli AF, we just sold Iraq a lot of air power. I don't think Iraq is going to jeopardize that by attacking our strongest ally in the region. It would be suicide for them.

MMC
01-14-2012, 11:28 AM
4 Carrier Fleets.....lets not forget Iraqi Air Defense is our Tech. Think I trust any Shia and or Sunni. Also there RPGs all over the place in Iraq. I doubt the Israelis will want to take on the Russian Su35 same thing with Brits or French Euro-fighters. The French Mirage don't stand a chance. So we would have to take on the Russians. This is not looking good.

MMC
01-14-2012, 11:35 AM
I cant get any info on any Russian subs. This is now about.....not, whether If the Iranians have anything anymore. I can't believe the Russians told All that it is a threat to their National Security. How so with Rosneft and their big Oil Companies and that share swapping thing with Exxon and BP.

MMC
01-14-2012, 11:48 AM
Russian warships are due to call, at the Bahrain port of Manama, seat of the US Fifth Fleet in the Persian Gulf, DEBKAfiles military (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#) sources reveal. They will be following in the wake of the Russian vessels already docked at the Omani port of Salalah, the first to avail themselves of facilities at Gulf ports.

The flotilla consists of four vessels from Russia’s Pacific Fleet: The submarine fighter Admiral Panteleyev is due at Manama Wednesday, escorted by the refueling-supply ship Izhorai, The supply-battleship Irkut and the rescue craft BM-37 are already docked in Salalah.....snip~

Peter1469
01-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Syria would never enter the war openly on Iran's side. Syria is not surrounded by mountains to protect it from a conventional offensive operation. 3 US heavy brigade combat teams with logistical and air support could destroy the Syrian army within two weeks. And of course SoF support to do dirty stuff all over the place.

Mister D
01-14-2012, 04:48 PM
Plus, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt are in political turmoil.

MMC
01-14-2012, 05:38 PM
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To give us an Idea as to where things are.....also I would note that China sent what it calls a fleet. 3 ships to the Gulf of Aden. Where they already have 3 ships. that would make 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, and two supply ships. Not that I am saying they are going to get involved. But just the doubling up the ships has to make one think. Now that there is the Russian Pacific Fleet pulling up into the Persian Gulf and thats not counting whatever subs are with that fleet.

Peter1469
01-15-2012, 08:14 AM
Great maps. I would ask people to look at the first topographical map- see how mountainous Iran it is. Those mountains ring Iran an will preclude a conventional force invasion of Iraq. There is a narrow strip along the coast of the Persian Gulf that is not mountainous, but it is swamp.

MMC
01-15-2012, 08:34 AM
Great maps. I would ask people to look at the first topographical map- see how mountainous Iran it is. Those mountains ring Iran an will preclude a conventional force invasion of Iraq. There is a narrow strip along the coast of the Persian Gulf that is not mountainous, but it is swamp.

Thanks Pete.....I can put up some others if you like that shows even more of Iran. You are Ex military Pete. What's your take on this.

Think it matters that these countries are in turmoil? I don't care how much rioting and demonstrations they are throwing up. Has nothing to do with the Military Complex of their nations. We set up Iraq's Air Defense. The Shia have no luv for the Israelis. I don't bring them up to much as we know where they stand and the rest of the World. Now the Sunni are a bit different. But they still want the same type of life but now with their definition of Democracy.

This is escalating faster than I thought. What do you think about the 6 Chinese ships in the Gulf of Aden? I think the Russians just grabbed everybody's attention. Not to mention I don't think they are even Concerned about anything the French has sent over. I was looking up some things to see if any of the BRIC NATIONS decided to send something over.

Did you say you were an Officer Pete?

MMC
01-15-2012, 09:25 AM
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — An Iranian pro-reform newspaper says the country's OPEC governor has warned the country's Arab neighbors that Tehran will view any increase in crude production to counterbalance a potential embargo on Iranian oil as an unfriendly act.
A Sunday report by Shargh daily quotes Mohammad Ali Khatibi as saying that Arab nations will be an "accomplice in the consequences," if they raise output to offset any potential loss of Iranian crude exports due to an embargo.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-warns-arabs-not-replace-embargoed-oil-093934335.html

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-warns-gulf-countries-not-replace-oil-065903983.html
Reuters – 2 hrs 37 mins ago

MMC
01-15-2012, 09:35 AM
The US sanctions came shortly after US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner met Chinese leaders in Beijing to ask for help in squeezing Iran's key oil revenues and pushing Tehran to halt its nuclear ambitions.

Washington on Thursday slapped sanctions on China's Zhuhai Zhenrong Co., barring it from doing business in the United States, saying it brokered delivery of more than $500 million worth of gasoline to Iran from July 2010-January 2011.

The sanctions, also placed on companies from Singapore and the United Arab Emirates, bar the three firms from receiving US export licenses, trade support from the US Export Import Bank, and loans over $10 million from US financial institutions.

"This is without reason, and against the content and spirit of resolutions by the United Nations Security Council on the Iran nuclear issue."

Chinese officials have warned against making links between China's trade relations with Iran and the issue of Tehran's nuclear program.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/china-knocks-us-sanctions-state-run-firm-over-032452866.html

MMC
01-15-2012, 10:26 AM
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Israel will have to go thru Saudi Arabia.....and the Iranians already know this.

Conley
01-15-2012, 10:31 AM
If Iraq and Saudi Arabia want to collect all those airplanes they just bought from the US they will not be shooting down Israeli aircraft.

Conley
01-15-2012, 10:32 AM
http://www.worldofmaps.net/uploads/pics/topographische_karte_iran.jpg

Mountains upon mountains!

MMC
01-15-2012, 11:19 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151739

Russia: Attack on Tehran is Attack on MoscowRussia has given Iran its bear hug and warns Israel and the West that an attack on Tehran would be considered an attack on Moscow.
Rogozin warned on Friday that more attacks on Iran could cause "a scorching Arab Summer."

Japan also is drifting towards Iran, backtracking from its promise last week to back American sanctions aimed at persuading Iran to halt its unsupervised nuclear development.....snip~

Mister D
01-15-2012, 11:38 AM
Well the rhetoric is sure heating up. Might just be hot air though.

Conley
01-15-2012, 11:44 AM
:laugh: They have ads for "Internet Addiction"on that Israeli site MMC linked to. I guess I am sick!

Mister D
01-15-2012, 12:03 PM
:laugh: They have ads for "Internet Addiction"on that Israeli site MMC linked to. I guess I am sick!

:laugh: We are propping up the forum. We are heroes dammit!

Mister D
01-15-2012, 12:04 PM
BTW, I've always liked Israeli news.

Alias
01-15-2012, 12:11 PM
Is there any way of knowing how many mines Iran can put in the Gulf?

Mister D
01-15-2012, 12:13 PM
I have no idea but I would think mine detection and disposal isn't difficult at this point.

BOOMSTICK
01-15-2012, 12:35 PM
It might also depends on if the mines are homemade or bought from Russia -- crude or sophisticated

Peter1469
01-15-2012, 12:40 PM
Thanks Pete.....I can put up some others if you like that shows even more of Iran. You are Ex military Pete. What's your take on this.

Think it matters that these countries are in turmoil? I don't care how much rioting and demonstrations they are throwing up. Has nothing to do with the Military Complex of their nations. We set up Iraq's Air Defense. The Shia have no luv for the Israelis. I don't bring them up to much as we know where they stand and the rest of the World. Now the Sunni are a bit different. But they still want the same type of life but now with their definition of Democracy.

This is escalating faster than I thought. What do you think about the 6 Chinese ships in the Gulf of Aden? I think the Russians just grabbed everybody's attention. Not to mention I don't think they are even Concerned about anything the French has sent over. I was looking up some things to see if any of the BRIC NATIONS decided to send something over.

Did you say you were an Officer Pete?


I am currently a MAJ in the Army reserve JAG Corps. I have 9 years as enlisted infantry. My LTC board is in August and it looks good despite low %.

I don't know what to make of the Chinese "fleet" in the AO; I suspect they are just trying to get operational experience.

I think that it is in our national security interest that the Muslim world remains in turmoil- otherwise they will unite and do what they have done three other times in history- invade the West.

Yes the Shia really hate the Israelis, the Sunnis claim to, yet the governments are actual close to Israel, probably as a check against Persian power.

Mister D
01-15-2012, 12:42 PM
It might also depends on if the mines are homemade or bought from Russia -- crude or sophisticated

I'd expect a mixture of both in the case of Iran.

Conley
01-15-2012, 12:47 PM
I am currently a MAJ in the Army reserve JAG Corps. I have 9 years as enlisted infantry. My LTC board is in August and it looks good despite low %.

I don't know what to make of the Chinese "fleet" in the AO; I suspect they are just trying to get operational experience.

I think that it is in our national security interest that the Muslim world remains in turmoil- otherwise they will unite and do what they have done three other times in history- invade the West.

Yes the Shia really hate the Israelis, the Sunnis claim to, yet the governments are actual close to Israel, probably as a check against Persian power.

Exactly. Look at the history of Iran. No neighboring country should be excited about Iran gaining nuclear weapons. Even enemies of the US like Pakistan don't want to let the nuclear club expand or they lose both strategic advantage and their status in an elite group.

Alias
01-15-2012, 12:53 PM
This is where Ron Paul and some of his supporters lose me. Seems to me that their attitude is live and let live towards Iran and it's only fair to allow Iran to have nukes since Israel and the USA have them also. Kinda nuts if you ask me.

Peter1469
01-15-2012, 12:56 PM
Great maps- see the difficulty and futility of attempting a ground invasion?

Conley
01-15-2012, 12:58 PM
This is where Ron Paul and some of his supporters lose me. Seems to me that their attitude is live and let live towards Iran and it's only fair to allow Iran to have nukes since Israel and the USA have them also. Kinda nuts if you ask me.

Right - his position might make sense if the last 100 years of history hadn't happened, but you can't ignore the fact the Iran wants our way of life destroyed and Israel wiped off the face of the Earth.

Conley
01-15-2012, 12:58 PM
Great maps- see the difficulty and futility of attempting a ground invasion?

:laugh: Yes, I see what you were driving at!

wingrider
01-15-2012, 06:44 PM
any body here ever read Psalms 83 or Ezekeil 38.. Man I love it when I see things like this building , lts me know that
god is still in charge and man just moves right along implementing Gods will . bring that sucker on and get this over with.

check this out if you dare

http://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/does-the-war-of-psalms-83-come-before-the-war-of-ezekiel-chapters-38-and-39.html

MMC
01-15-2012, 11:52 PM
Great maps- see the difficulty and futility of attempting a ground invasion?

Yeah they cannot consider going in on the ground. Plus this bunker enriching to 20% is under a mountain near QOM. Thats also around one of their Holy Sites. So you know there is a ton of SAMS around there. I do not see how Israel can make the move.

They cannot fly from Suadi Arabia and be succesful. Moreover if they make the move this will definately lead to a World War. Those not involved will be forced to Choose!

Peter1469
01-16-2012, 01:52 AM
true

Conley
01-16-2012, 09:54 AM
Yeah they cannot consider going in on the ground. Plus this bunker enriching to 20% is under a mountain near QOM. Thats also around one of their Holy Sites. So you know there is a ton of SAMS around there. I do not see how Israel can make the move.

They cannot fly from Suadi Arabia and be succesful. Moreover if they make the move this will definately lead to a World War. Those not involved will be forced to Choose!

I just am not seeing WW3 here. Not if you mean China, Russia, and Iran versus the rest of the world.

wingrider
01-16-2012, 10:30 AM
I just am not seeing WW3 here. Not if you mean China, Russia, and Iran versus the rest of the world.

nope it won't be WWIII it will be russia, iran and China against Isreal.. all the other nations will stay out of it, America won't interfere with Isreal and should remain nuetral for the time being,

jgreer
01-16-2012, 10:31 AM
Huh? No offense but you are crazy crazy if you think that is how it will go down

wingrider
01-16-2012, 11:16 AM
Huh? No offense but you are crazy crazy if you think that is how it will go down

time will tell , but what you gonna say if I am right?? hmmmmmm.. go read prophecy once in a while and get back to me.. everything that is happening in the middle east right now was prophecied 2500 years ago.. it is only with the advent of modern society that all the pieces are starting to fit.. call me crazy if you wish no offense is taken,, I only hope I am wrong, but something tells me I am not and this is just the beginning to an all out woorld war that will kill off about 4 billion people.

MMC
01-16-2012, 12:22 PM
Any word or new developments? :undecided: I believe our Wing-Commander brings up a very good point. :wink:

wingrider
01-16-2012, 12:34 PM
Any word or new developments? :undecided: I believe our Wing-Commander brings up a very good point. :wink:

your wing commander is on the job.