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Cigar
10-22-2013, 08:21 AM
Residents of Jacksonville, Fla., are trying to get school officials to strike the name of Nathan B. Forrest—a former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard—from the title of their high school.

Administrators attached Forrest’s name to the school in 1959 in an act of defiance to integration laws enforced by the case of Brown v. Board of Education. Jacksonville resident Omotayo Richmond launched a Change.org petition asking the Duval County School Board to change the name. He has collected 150,000 signatures so far.

An effort to change the name back in 2008 failed by a vote of 5 to 2. Board members are the only people empowered to make the change.

“I don’t want my daughter, or any student, going to a school named under those circumstances,” Richmond writes on the petition’s Web page. “This is a bad look for Florida—with so much racial division in our state, renaming Forrest High would be a step toward healing.” .......................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/kkk_battles_town_over_school_bearing_klansmans_nam e_20131021?ln


Here's an idea ... name a couple Schools after Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton and watch Fox News spring into action. :laugh:

Ravi
10-22-2013, 08:27 AM
Only in Floriduh.

jillian
10-22-2013, 08:36 AM
Only in Floriduh.

amazing

Libhater
10-22-2013, 10:12 AM
[QUOTE]Here's an idea ... name a couple Schools after Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton and watch Fox News spring into action. :laugh:

Yeah, integration via bussing worked wonders for the black/Irish peoples up in Boston 1973-74. Those people in the black communities and the WHITE South Boston community are still feuding over the liberal judge's order to integrate the busses and the school system.

Instead of renaming that school 'Jessie Jackson', perhaps we could rename it 'Ho...Ho...Ho..Western Civilization has got to go' after one of Jessie's more famous quotes. Or perhaps we could name it the 'Tawana Brawley School' in remembrance of her teamwork sham with al sharpless in their attempt to convict innocent WHITE police officers.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 10:16 AM
And the Bronx has Christopher Columbus high school... I wonder how the Native American kids feel about that?

http://srxa.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/wanted-christopher-columbus2.jpg

Only in New York...

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 10:20 AM
Actually, its not most of the residents of Jacksonville Florida who want the name changed. Its the minority black population that wants it changed. Secondly, the name wasn't changed in 1959, the school was built in 1959. J E B Stuart (another Southern Civil War general) was the name of the Junior High school that was originally on that site. Forrest was not named in defiance of Brown vs Board of Education but in keeping with the then practice of honoring Confederate generals. I guess next to go will be Robert E. Lee High School in Jacksonville.

I understand African Americans have problems with anything that does not directly kowtow to them but at the very least get the history and the back ground correct before you really sound as stupid as you do.

By the way, the population of Jacksonville is around 1 million so the 150,000 on the petition, if correct, is a small minority of the total.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 10:32 AM
Custer High School is a public high school located on 5075 North Sherman Boulevard in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.offthemall.com/Military/civilwar/thm_George Armstrong Custer led U.S. troops against Native Americans in western Kansas.jpg


Are we sure this shit only happens in "Floriduh"?

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:33 AM
What stuff? Schools etc. named after American icons and heroes?

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Actually, its not most of the residents of Jacksonville Florida who want the name changed. Its the minority black population that wants it changed. Secondly, the name wasn't changed in 1959, the school was built in 1959. J E B Stuart (another Southern Civil War general) was the name of the Junior High school that was originally on that site. Forrest was not named in defiance of Brown vs Board of Education but in keeping with the then practice of honoring Confederate generals. I guess next to go will be Robert E. Lee High School in Jacksonville.

I understand African Americans have problems with anything that does not directly kowtow to them but at the very least get the history and the back ground correct before you really sound as stupid as you do.

By the way, the population of Jacksonville is around 1 million so the 150,000 on the petition, if correct, is a small minority of the total.

Blacks really need to stop worrying about what the school is called or what flag is flying. They need to focus on their education.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 10:42 AM
By the way only 23% of black males graduate from high school in Jacksonville. Does anyone really think changing the name of this high school will change that?

nic34
10-22-2013, 10:42 AM
On April 12, 1864, General Forrest led his forces in the attack and capture of Fort Pillow on the Mississippi River in Henning, Tennessee. Many African-American Union soldiers were killed in the battle. A controversy arose about whether Forrest conducted or condoned a massacre of African Americans and white Tennessee Unionists and Confederate deserters who had surrendered there. The surrender never occurred according to reports filed by Federal Captain Goodman, stated that upon the surrender of the fort both white and "negroes" would be treated as prisoners of war. General Forrest sent additional communiques to Major Lionel F Booth demanding total surrender. Unbeknownst to General Forrest, Major Booth had been fatally shot in the battle and the command of Fort Pillow had already been assumed by Major William F Bradford. The delayed reply to Forrest's demands still bore the name of Major Booth asking for more time to decide about surrendering the fort and the gunboat Olive Branch. General Forrest replied that the gunboat wasn't expected to be surrendered but the fort alone. Hours later during the truce, after many communiques the federals sent their answer--"a brief but positive refusal to capitulate".

Forrest's men insisted that the Federals, although fleeing, kept their weapons and frequently turned to shoot, forcing the Confederates to keep firing in self-defense. Confederates said the Union flag was still flying over the fort, which indicated that the force had not formally surrendered. A contemporary newspaper account from Jackson, Tennessee, stated that "General Forrest begged them to surrender," but "not the first sign of surrender was ever given." Similar accounts were reported in many Southern newspapers at the time.

These statements, however, were contradicted by Union survivors, as well as the letter of a Confederate soldier who recounted a massacre. Achilles Clark, a soldier with the 20th Tennessee cavalry, wrote to his sister immediately after the battle: "The slaughter was awful. Words cannot describe the scene. The poor, deluded, negroes would run up to our men, fall upon their knees, and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. I, with several others, tried to stop the butchery, and at one time had partially succeeded, but General Forrest ordered them shot down like dogs and the carnage continued. Finally our men became sick of blood and the firing ceased."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Maybe some day we will stop celebrating war. There are better names for schools.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:43 AM
By the way only 23% of black males graduate from high school in Jacksonville. Does anyone really think changing the name of this high school will change that?

That's my point. This is what black community "leaders" spend their time doing.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:43 AM
On April 12, 1864, General Forrest led his forces in the attack and capture of Fort Pillow on the Mississippi River in Henning, Tennessee. Many African-American Union soldiers were killed in the battle. A controversy arose about whether Forrest conducted or condoned a massacre of African Americans and white Tennessee Unionists and Confederate deserters who had surrendered there. The surrender never occurred according to reports filed by Federal Captain Goodman, stated that upon the surrender of the fort both white and "negroes" would be treated as prisoners of war. General Forrest sent additional communiques to Major Lionel F Booth demanding total surrender. Unbeknownst to General Forrest, Major Booth had been fatally shot in the battle and the command of Fort Pillow had already been assumed by Major William F Bradford. The delayed reply to Forrest's demands still bore the name of Major Booth asking for more time to decide about surrendering the fort and the gunboat Olive Branch. General Forrest replied that the gunboat wasn't expected to be surrendered but the fort alone. Hours later during the truce, after many communiques the federals sent their answer--"a brief but positive refusal to capitulate".

Forrest's men insisted that the Federals, although fleeing, kept their weapons and frequently turned to shoot, forcing the Confederates to keep firing in self-defense. Confederates said the Union flag was still flying over the fort, which indicated that the force had not formally surrendered. A contemporary newspaper account from Jackson, Tennessee, stated that "General Forrest begged them to surrender," but "not the first sign of surrender was ever given." Similar accounts were reported in many Southern newspapers at the time.

These statements, however, were contradicted by Union survivors, as well as the letter of a Confederate soldier who recounted a massacre. Achilles Clark, a soldier with the 20th Tennessee cavalry, wrote to his sister immediately after the battle: "The slaughter was awful. Words cannot describe the scene. The poor, deluded, negroes would run up to our men, fall upon their knees, and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. I, with several others, tried to stop the butchery, and at one time had partially succeeded, but General Forrest ordered them shot down like dogs and the carnage continued. Finally our men became sick of blood and the firing ceased."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Maybe some day we will stop celebrating war. There are better names for schools.

Mind your business, Geronimo.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:45 AM
BTW, nic34 I wonder how many schools are named after the butcher Truman? Or how about the butcher FDR? Or the butcher LBJ?

Cigar
10-22-2013, 10:45 AM
It Ain't "Your" America anymore ... :grin:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F70bIkWams4/UJtped_toGI/AAAAAAAAA8w/xY2-5vKZ7rA/s1600/0209+Tiled+Flag+of+American+diversity.jpg

nic34
10-22-2013, 10:46 AM
Mind your business, Geronimo.

Once again you must have me confused with someone who gives a sh*t what you say.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:47 AM
It Ain't "Your" America anymore ... :grin:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F70bIkWams4/UJtped_toGI/AAAAAAAAA8w/xY2-5vKZ7rA/s1600/0209+Tiled+Flag+of+American+diversity.jpg

Right! Can't wait for it to break apart. :grin:

Cigar
10-22-2013, 10:47 AM
BTW, @nic34 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=572) I wonder how many schools are named after the butcher Truman? Or how about the butcher FDR? Or the butcher LBJ?

I wonder what are the number of MLK Schools are :grin:

Cigar
10-22-2013, 10:48 AM
Right! Can't wait for it to break apart. :grin:

By By .... :wave:

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:49 AM
I wonder what are the number of MLK Schools are :grin:

Are you high? Your grasp of English has been getting worse daily for the last couple of weeks.

Anyway, there must be hundreds. I'm surprised you don't bring a MLK lunchbox to work. :laugh:

nic34
10-22-2013, 10:49 AM
BTW, @nic34 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=572) I wonder how many schools are named after the butcher Truman? Or how about the butcher FDR? Or the butcher LBJ?

Sure, the "they do it too" routine....

again.... You Are irrelavent.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:50 AM
By By .... :wave:

CYA! :grin:

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 10:55 AM
Snoop Dog High?

... gotta ring to it actually.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 10:57 AM
Awww Baby isn't feeling special anymore ... :laugh:

Mister D
10-22-2013, 10:59 AM
Snoop Dog High?

... gotta ring to it actually.

I can see it now! Rap music playing in the halls, grape soda flowing from the water coolers, every month is Black History Month...
Cigar , drop the french fry basket. Get back to school!

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:02 AM
I Love it ... they're losing it ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:03 AM
It Ain't "Your" America anymore ... :grin:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F70bIkWams4/UJtped_toGI/AAAAAAAAA8w/xY2-5vKZ7rA/s1600/0209+Tiled+Flag+of+American+diversity.jpg


Maybe not, but it appears its still our country when it comes to paying the bills.

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 11:05 AM
Maybe not, but it appears its still our country when it comes to paying the bills.

Ain't that the truth.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:08 AM
Tell me Cigar
If Nathan B Forrest High School was named Martin Luther King Jr. High School or Sojourner Truth High School would that 77 percent drop out rate increase? Would that 70% born out of wedlock rate decrease? It seems to me rather than worry about the name of a school or a road African Americans would be better served getting an education and stop relying on the white man paying his child support through welfare.

If you only live in the past you will never have a future.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:09 AM
I Love it ... they're losing it ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:

You're an unwitting foil. The funny part (and the reason you're kept around) is that you don't realize it. :grin:

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:09 AM
Maybe not, but it appears its still our country when it comes to paying the bills.

You mean those Bills I have been paying all these years were yours ... WTF, I could have saved a lot of money if I knew only "you" pay bills.

Who would have known ... ?

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:10 AM
Tell me Cigar
If Nathan B Forrest High School was named Martin Luther King Jr. High School or Sojourner Truth High School would that 77 percent drop out rate increase? Would that 70% born out of wedlock rate decrease? It seems to me rather than worry about the name of a school or a road African Americans would be better served getting an education and stop relying on the white man paying his child support through welfare.

If you only live in the past you will never have a future.

Of course not. Black leaders are actually exploiting their own people so they can swagger around in suits while not actually doing a damn thing for anybody.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:12 AM
You're an unwitting foil. The funny part (and the reason you're kept around) is that you don't realize it. :grin:

I understand your disappointment ... maybe you should try Therapy ... because they're a lot more political ass kicking coming son.

Get Ready ... because the Pain is Coming. :grin:

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:12 AM
Of course not. Black leaders are actually exploiting their own people so they can swagger around in suits while not actually doing a damn thing for anybody.

Awwwwwwww I'm sooooooooooooo hurt ..... :laugh:

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:13 AM
Awwwwwwww I'm sooooooooooooo hurt ..... :laugh:

And your comebacks are so lame. Dude, if you can't think of something funny just don't respond.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:14 AM
I understand your disappointment ... maybe you should try Therapy ... because they're a lot more political ass kicking coming son.

Get Ready ... because the Pain is Coming. :grin:


You made bro? :wink:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:15 AM
You mean those Bills I have been paying all these years were yours ... WTF, I could have saved a lot of money if I knew only "you" pay bills.

Who would have known ... ?


If you pay taxes you too are responsible for the bills. However, most of the taxes in this country are not paid by minorities but by the still majority white folks. If I were you and were paying taxes so some 21 year old didn't have to pay for his own children I would be pissed.

The educational opportunities are there. Shit, there are more opportunities for African Americans today than for whites considering all the grants available. Why don't more of them take advantage of that? I can guarantee Nathan B Forrest high in Jax is no better or no worse than any other public school in that city (I lived there for over 35 years and graduated from Terry Parker High, as did my youngest daughter). Why is NBF failing?

Its because too many African Americans have bought into the myth "The Man" is still holding them down. The only man holding them down is the one they see when they look in the mirror.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:16 AM
If you pay taxes you too are responsible for the bills. However, most of the taxes in this country are not paid by minorities but by the still majority white folks. If I were you and were paying taxes so some 21 year old didn't have to pay for his own children I would be pissed.

The educational opportunities are there. Shit, there are more opportunities for African Americans today than for whites considering all the grants available. Why don't more of them take advantage of that? I can guarantee Nathan B Forrest high in Jax is no better or no worse than any other public school in that city (I lived there for over 35 years and graduated from Terry Parker High, as did my youngest daughter). Why is NBF failing?

Its because too many African Americans have bought into the myth "The Man" is still holding them down. The only man holding them down is the one they see when they look in the mirror.

They don't quite get that but they will...

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:19 AM
Get Ready ... because the Pain is Coming. :grin:


I believe that fully. I believe that when the government finally collapses from overspending and the Gibsmedat crowd can't get it for free anymore they will riot and destroy what is left. I do see an uprising and that will spell the end of America.

Perhaps we can all be like Zimbabwe, which is such a beacon of socialist values

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:21 AM
@oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)

The stupids have infected yet another thread with their incessant garbage flinging.

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:23 AM
Residents of Jacksonville, Fla., are trying to get school officials to strike the name of Nathan B. Forrest—a former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard—from the title of their high school.

Administrators attached Forrest’s name to the school in 1959 in an act of defiance to integration laws enforced by the case of Brown v. Board of Education. Jacksonville resident Omotayo Richmond launched a Change.org petition asking the Duval County School Board to change the name. He has collected 150,000 signatures so far.

An effort to change the name back in 2008 failed by a vote of 5 to 2. Board members are the only people empowered to make the change.

“I don’t want my daughter, or any student, going to a school named under those circumstances,” Richmond writes on the petition’s Web page. “This is a bad look for Florida—with so much racial division in our state, renaming Forrest High would be a step toward healing.” .......................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/kkk_battles_town_over_school_bearing_klansmans_nam e_20131021?ln


Here's an idea ... name a couple Schools after Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton and watch Fox News spring into action. :laugh:

So instead of bringing actual racial injustice to light, you have brought us imaginary slights over the naming of a building? Are you guys on the progressive side just trying to invent racism and malcontent where there is none?

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:23 AM
@oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)

The stupids have infected yet another thread with their incessant garbage flinging.

Really??

How strange of you to say that

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:24 AM
@oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)

The stupids have infected yet another thread with their incessant garbage flinging.
@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) there is only one member responsible. It's the usual suspect.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:24 AM
If you pay taxes you too are responsible for the bills. However, most of the taxes in this country are not paid by minorities but by the still majority white folks. If I were you and were paying taxes so some 21 year old didn't have to pay for his own children I would be pissed.

The educational opportunities are there. Shit, there are more opportunities for African Americans today than for whites considering all the grants available. Why don't more of them take advantage of that? I can guarantee Nathan B Forrest high in Jax is no better or no worse than any other public school in that city (I lived there for over 35 years and graduated from Terry Parker High, as did my youngest daughter). Why is NBF failing?

Its because too many African Americans have bought into the myth "The Man" is still holding them down. The only man holding them down is the one they see when they look in the mirror.

Then why not take your racist Big Balls down to the hood get your fucking money and education at the same time .. sport.

But of course, you may have to leave the safety and security of the internet. :laugh:

Let's all see what happens first ... you go get paid or continue talking shit?

I'm betting you hang out and talk to the talk ... now why don't you go put a bed-sheet on your head and at least look the part like a good little boy?

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:26 AM
So instead of bringing actual racial injustice to light, you have brought us imaginary slights over the naming of a building? Are you guys on the progressive side just trying to invent racism and malcontent where there is none?

Oh, there is a great deal of racial animosity and malcontent. What else can we expect from a population that has been raised on resentment?

countryboy
10-22-2013, 11:27 AM
amazing
Can I assume you are also in favor of anything named after Democrat icon, Robert C. Byrd, be renamed? The list is rather extensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:28 AM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6253526784/h935026D8/

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:29 AM
Really??

How strange of you to say that

Truth hurts. But somebody has to say it.


@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) there is only one member responsible. It's the usual suspect.

Eh...sort of. Continuing to indulge it does nobody any favors.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:29 AM
So instead of bringing actual racial injustice to light, you have brought us imaginary slights over the naming of a building? Are you guys on the progressive side just trying to invent racism and malcontent where there is none?


Because the incidents of true racial injustice become fewer and fewer every year. Without perceived injustice the race baiters will have nothing to sell. This is why the latest sign of "racism" is recommending a white friend for a job over anyone else.

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 11:29 AM
Can I assume you are also in favor of anything named after Democrat icon, Robert C. Byrd, be renamed? The list is rather extensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd

You're not shitting me either, everything down here is named after Byrd.

The old saying now is "Not much money left now that Byrd's gone".

Hell - ask Mister D - I invited him down here to a ramp fest earlier in the spring, it was being held at the "Robert Byrd Center" in one of the towns.

... of course D snubbed me, but that's another story. :grin:

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:31 AM
Shit, there are more opportunities for African Americans today than for whites considering all the grants available. Why don't more of them take advantage of that?

As a parent of a college age kid, I know that to be complete BS.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:31 AM
Truth hurts. But somebody has to say it.



Eh...sort of. Continuing to indulge it does nobody any favors.

Then ask the mods to kindly stop indulging it. oceanloverOH

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:32 AM
You're not shitting me either, everything down here is named after Byrd.

The old saying now is "Not much money left now that Byrd's gone".

Hell - ask @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) - I invited him down here to a ramp fest earlier in the spring, it was being held at the "Robert Byrd Center" in one of the towns.

... of course D snubbed me, but that's another story. :grin:

It's a 8 hour drive! :grin: I was all gung ho until I visisted Mapquest.

And where are my ramps? :angry:

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:33 AM
Because the incidents of true racial injustice become fewer and fewer every year. Without perceived injustice the race baiters will have nothing to sell. This is why the latest sign of "racism" is recommending a white friend for a job over anyone else.

May the best man win. I am an Darwinian when it comes to employment. But I also believe people should be able to choose their associations, in either business or pleasure without compulsion to favor any side.

But as usual, the government gets in the way of progress.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:34 AM
Because the incidents of true racial injustice become fewer and fewer every year. Without perceived injustice the race baiters will have nothing to sell. This is why the latest sign of "racism" is recommending a white friend for a job over anyone else.

Yes, it must be very frustrating to have that excuse evaporate.

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 11:34 AM
It's a 8 hour drive! :grin: I was all gung ho until I visisted Mapquest.

And where are my ramps? :angry:

Oh yeah, I was supposed to send you some. :tongue:

We never got back out. Made plans but things came up, sorry.

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:35 AM
So instead of bringing actual racial injustice to light, you have brought us imaginary slights over the naming of a building? Are you guys on the progressive side just trying to invent racism and malcontent where there is none?

So you're absolutely sure the choice of name for the school wasn't a provocation in itself......

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:36 AM
As a parent of a college age kid, I know that to be complete BS.

Really?????

I don't think so.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:38 AM
So you're absolutely sure the choice of name for the school wasn't a provocation in itself......

A provocation to who? The feds?

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:38 AM
Then why not take your racist Big Balls down to the hood get your fucking money and education at the same time .. sport.

But of course, you may have to leave the safety and security of the internet. :laugh:

Let's all see what happens first ... you go get paid or continue talking shit?

I'm betting you hang out and talk to the talk ... now why don't you go put a bed-sheet on your head and at least look the part like a good little boy?


There are white racist and there are black racist. You, I am afraid fall squarely into the second category. I can't help it if you are so ashamed of yourself that you need to continually blame others for your own failures.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 11:40 AM
As a parent of a college age kid, I know that to be complete BS.

There are a lot of minority scholarships. Wish you knew me when filling out the forms. I volunteer to help minority students get into colleges. I can find money where people thought no money existed.

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:40 AM
Really?????

I don't think so.

I know so.

Do you know how many applicants there are per grant or scholarship? Do you think if you're lucky enough to get one it pays for EVERYTHING?

Quit with the generalizations.........

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:41 AM
I know so.

Do you know how many applicants there are per grant or scholarship? Do you think if you're lucky enough to get one it pays for EVERYTHING?

Quit with the generalizations.........

That's not what he said, nic. He said it's easier for non-whites and there are more grants etc. available.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:42 AM
As a parent of a college age kid, I know that to be complete BS.

These Racist Cry babies always begin their whining when they aren't getting their special treatment.

These idiots don't realize, we're all getting Fucked by the same people, but some of us don't have shit in our eyes.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zyv2wESSdmQ/UX82eAnovrI/AAAAAAAAWm8/qj4U-eieLDI/s1600/republican1.jpg

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:42 AM
There are a lot of minority scholarships. Wish you knew me when filling out the forms. I volunteer to help minority students get into colleges. I can find money where people thought no money existed.


....been there, done that.... see my last post.... thx anyway :smiley:

Cigar
10-22-2013, 11:43 AM
I know so.

Do you know how many applicants there are per grant or scholarship? Do you think if you're lucky enough to get one it pays for EVERYTHING?

Quit with the generalizations.........

First of all ... this ain't the 80's or 90's; what Grants are they talking about?

The Grants Republicans cut a decades ago?

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:43 AM
That's not what he said, nic. He said it's easier for non-whites and there are more grants etc. available.

Still wrong, we know first hand it is not easy.... esp. after the republican recession of 2007-8

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:43 AM
....been there, done that.... see my last post.... thx anyway :smiley:

Then you fucked up and let your kid down. Then again, what are you claiming? That he's 1/64 Hopi? :laugh:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:43 AM
May the best man win. I am an Darwinian when it comes to employment. But I also believe people should be able to choose their associations, in either business or pleasure with compulsion to favor any side.

But as usual, the government gets in the way of progress.

While I normally think the government should stay out of everything related to business I actually must support the Civil Rights act of 1964 (A Republican Initiative by the way). My father in law owned a restaurant in Jacksonville and wanted as much business as possible. However, community standards at the time were that blacks could not eat there. When the Civil Rights Act was passed he was finally able to serve them as well and put the blame on "that god damn bunch in Washington". Many other businesses were the same. It did help change the attitudes in the South.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:44 AM
Still wrong, we know first hand it is not easy.... esp. after the republican recession of 2007-8

No one said it was easy, nic. They said it's easier for non-whites and it is.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 11:47 AM
No one is calling New Yorkers racists for having a Christopher Columbus school. Italian Americans like Columbus and wanted a school named after an Italian. Is it insensitive to native Americans? Hell yeh, but no one cares because a) not that many of them left, and b) they aren't a voting block that "matters".


It's only southern racists that we make a big hypocritical deal about and until we care across the board, I don't care. I hate this whole "Goose can do anything it wants with impunity" while the gander is turned into dinner shit.

Call me when New York gets smacked around.

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:47 AM
Oh, there is a great deal of racial animosity and malcontent. What else can we expect from a population that has been raised on resentment?

There was animosity where I was in Minnesota. But I am not asking too get the Martin Luther King schools changed. I could really care less.

Sure, I like a homogenous society like anybody else. But I am not going to demand people rename their schools and other buildings to suit my every mad whim.

I have plenty of reason to dislike people of all races - even whites. But I choose not to. It only takes a conscious choice not to be a jackass.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:50 AM
So you're absolutely sure the choice of name for the school wasn't a provocation in itself......

No, the name of the school was chosen in the mid 50's, way before any of this started. There were a lot of places named after Confederate War hero's in the South until the 70's. One of the main roads from Northern Virginia into DC is Jefferson Davis Highway.

By the way, before the issue comes up, there is absolutely no evidence that NBF was a "Grand Dragon" of the KKK or was actually ever involved in the Klan at all. He was a very popular figure after the end of the war and the press wanted to squash all of that. He was investigated by Congress for his alleged role and no evidence was found to incriminate him. Remember the Klan at that time wasn't just an anti black group but would have been considered a terrorist organization against Federal troops under Reconstruction.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:52 AM
There was animosity where I was in Minnesota. But I am not asking too get the Martin Luther King schools changed. I could really care less.

Sure, I like a homogenous society like anybody else. But I am not going to demand people rename their schools and other buildings to suit my every mad whim.

I have plenty of reason to dislike people of all races - even whites. But I choose not to. It only takes a conscious choice not to be a jackass.

Why would white people complain? No white person in their right mind would send their children to a black majority school.

I agree. Sam Francis was right. This assault on Confederate heroes is only the beginning of a general assault on our western heritage.

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 11:52 AM
So you're absolutely sure the choice of name for the school wasn't a provocation in itself......

To those with small minds? I am sure it is devastating. To everybody else? Nobody will care.

People who look to be offended, will always find something to offend them. That is Victimology 101.

For the rest of us who just want to go along to get along? Unless something is named "Eat black babies, and rape white women" we're probably not going to care much.

Even then, I'd probably just ignore said establishment, and see to it that none of my commerce dollars assisted them directly or indirectly.

nic34
10-22-2013, 11:52 AM
No one said it was easy, nic. They said it's easier for non-whites and it is.

You think my son has only WHITE friends? Please.....

Back to the subject. You'd think folks would consider neutral names, like Moss Valley HS, or Sandy Beach HS instead of always riling everyone up.... just a thought.

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 11:54 AM
You think my son has only WHITE friends? Please.....

Back to the subject. You'd think folks would consider neutral names, like Moss Valley HS, or Sandy Beach HS instead of always riling everyone up.... just a thought.

Kabuki Joe once had a talk with a black dood...

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 11:55 AM
I think Mister D is mistaking Affirmative Action programs for scholarships.

Affirmative Action allows a black student with a "B" average to get into a school where a white student would require an "A". It doesn't mean that there is $$ there. Academic based scholarships require a particular GPA.

There are, however, college funds set up if you know where to look, as well as, letter writing and other fund raising mechanisms. I am always willing to help people find money for college and help pay for it when they sign "contracts" in regards to their grades. I am not the only one and it takes looking for people like me.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:56 AM
You think my son has only WHITE friends? Please.....

Back to the subject. You'd think folks would consider neutral names, like Moss Valley HS, or Sandy Beach HS instead of always riling everyone up.... just a thought.

I don't care about your son's friends. Why are you bringing them up?

Who is riled up? Oh, that's right. Some black people because their "leaders" have nothing better to do than stoke the fires of racial resentment. Great. How is the graduation rate? I guess Forrest strikes from the grave! Idiots.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:57 AM
There are many alternatives to getting an education beyond Harvard or a football scholarship. I went my first two years to St Johns River Junior College in Palatka Fl. Then I went into the Navy and when I got out I went to the University of Maryland College Park. Junior Colleges (now Community College) is a viable alternative on a budget. Furthermore, many businesses will give scholarships to minorities. Besides, I am not convinced everyone should have a college education. If everyone has a degree in electrical engineering who is going to wire my house? Or at what cost?

However, the first thing you need to do before you worry about what college that you can't afford are you going to is to graduate from high school. With a 77% drop out rate that doesn't seem like its being addressed very well.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 11:57 AM
I think Mister D is mistaking Affirmative Action programs for scholarships.

Affirmative Action allows a black student with a "B" average to get into a school where a white student would require an "A". It doesn't mean that there is $$ there. Academic based scholarships require a particular GPA.

There are, however, college funds set up if you know where to look, as well as, letter writing and other fund raising mechanisms. I am always willing to help people find money for college and help pay for it when they sign "contracts" in regards to their grades. I am not the only one and it takes looking for people like me.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

I'm not but thanks for bringing up AA. That makes it that much easier for non-whites.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 11:59 AM
You think my son has only WHITE friends? Please.....

Back to the subject. You'd think folks would consider neutral names, like Moss Valley HS, or Sandy Beach HS instead of always riling everyone up.... just a thought.


That is the case today but NBF was named about 60 years ago. That's a lot of history to destroy because someone is offended by nothing.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 12:00 PM
I'm not but thanks for bringing up AA. That makes it that much easier for non-whites.

It does make it easier for non-whites than whites to get into college, but it doesn't put the money there.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:00 PM
Notice how quickly people divert your attention from the Fact that is School was named after a former ...
Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard

Please tell me were you find the comparison of a KKK Grand Wizard and anyone else mentioned in this Thread.

Really Folks ... :laugh:

Mister D
10-22-2013, 12:00 PM
It does make it easier for non-whites than whites to get into college, but it doesn't put the money there.

There are many programs poor students can take advantage of and it helps to have dark skin.

Ravi
10-22-2013, 12:03 PM
According to wiki the guy eventually came to understand that being a member of the klan was wrong. I think, since that is so, that there's really no reason to change the name of the school.

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 12:05 PM
There are many programs poor students can take advantage of and it helps to have dark skin.

Uhhhh...no.

I was extremely poor and so were all of my friends. If I didn't want to join the military my only options for a good college education was to have straight "As" and a great SAT score.

I had a 4.0 and a 1590 and I still only got a full ride from one of the schools I applied to.

Financial aid is county based and you have to be one of 2 full rides for government assistance and that means if you are in a poor county like Wayne was or an Appalachian county you are literally fighting with everyone you know for that money.

It really truly isn't that easy. I played a sport, joined chorus and drama, joined the debate team, and had great grades and a great SAT and I still was limited. I got a few partial scholarships here and there but in general I went to the school that paid for me to go to it.

If you were a B+ student in my county or even an A- you were fucked.

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 12:07 PM
Why would white people complain? No white person in their right mind would send their children to a black majority school.

I agree. Sam Francis was right. This assault on Confederate heroes is only the beginning of a general assault on our western heritage.

It doesn't even take a majority to ruin a good school. A loud and obnoxious sliver of a minority will do just fine if the purpose is ruining a school.

Seen it first hand. I can tell you that Crips and Bloods recruit at a very young age.

They won't expel them because of diversity mandates, and for fear of being branded racist. So they just let them overtly ruin the school. Administration in some/most public schools is outright horrendous. I had an older black kid chase me to my home with the intent to 'kill me' - while the bus driver watched the whole thing happen.

Fortunately, we had a monster dog at the time which saved my bacon.

But this nonsense shouldn't have happened because the school should have had some measures of discipline over the students who pull crap like this - and they do if your the right color of skin. If there are physical altercations between them? They suspend them both without even trying to figure out who the aggressor was out of 'fairness'.

What a joke. I grew up in this circus. It's why I plan to home school my kids.

nic34
10-22-2013, 12:10 PM
If you were a B+ student in my county or even an A- you were fucked.

Yep.

Thankfully he played baseball.... his minority friends weren't so lucky....

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:13 PM
According to wiki the guy eventually came to understand that being a member of the klan was wrong. I think, since that is so, that there's really no reason to change the name of the school.

Harvey LeRoy "Lee" Atwater

In a February 1991 article for Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Magazine) magazine, Atwater wrote:

My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring — acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul.

This article was notable for an apology to Michael Dukakis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dukakis) for the "naked cruelty" of the 1988 presidential election campaign.

Ed Rollins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rollins), however, stated in the 2008 documentary Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogie_Man:_The_Lee_Atwater_Story), that "[Atwater] was telling this story about how a Living Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Bible) was what was giving him faith and I said to Mary (Matalin) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Matalin), 'I really, sincerely hope that he found peace.' She said, 'Ed, when we were cleaning up his things afterwards, the Bible was still wrapped in the cellophane and had never been taken out of the package,' which just told you everything there was.

He was spinning right to the end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:13 PM
Notice how quickly people divert your attention from the Fact that is School was named after a former ...
Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard

Please tell me were you find the comparison of a KKK Grand Wizard and anyone else mentioned in this Thread.

Really Folks ... :laugh:


I knew it. I knew it. Its truly astonishing how ill informed the left really is. I pointed out several post back that there was no proof Forrest was ever even in the Klan much less its founder or Grand Wizard. Furthermore, even if he was, which he was not, the school was not named after him because of the Klan, it was named after him because of his prowess as a horse soldier. See Post 73

"By the way, before the issue comes up, there is absolutely no evidence that NBF was a "Grand Dragon" of the KKK or was actually ever involved in the Klan at all. He was a very popular figure after the end of the war and the press wanted to squash all of that. He was investigated by Congress for his alleged role and no evidence was found to incriminate him. Remember the Klan at that time wasn't just an anti black group but would have been considered a terrorist organization against Federal troops under Reconstruction."

Damn some people just are stooooopid

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:16 PM
Notice how quickly people divert your attention from the Fact that is School was named after a former ...
Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard

Please tell me were you find the comparison of a KKK Grand Wizard and anyone else mentioned in this Thread.

Really Folks ... :laugh:


Isn't it strange that you would concentrate on the issue of a name while ignoring the issue of the utter failure of black students to even finish high school?

Ravi
10-22-2013, 12:18 PM
I knew it. I knew it. Its truly astonishing how ill informed the left really is. I pointed out several post back that there was no proof Forrest was ever even in the Klan much less its founder or Grand Wizard. Furthermore, even if he was, which he was not, the school was not named after him because of the Klan, it was named after him because of his prowess as a horse soldier. See Post 73

"By the way, before the issue comes up, there is absolutely no evidence that NBF was a "Grand Dragon" of the KKK or was actually ever involved in the Klan at all. He was a very popular figure after the end of the war and the press wanted to squash all of that. He was investigated by Congress for his alleged role and no evidence was found to incriminate him. Remember the Klan at that time wasn't just an anti black group but would have been considered a terrorist organization against Federal troops under Reconstruction."

Damn some people just are stooooopid
He admitted to being in the klan. And the congressional committee that interviewed him said it wasn't in their scope to prove if he had been a member or not.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:19 PM
I knew it. I knew it. Its truly astonishing how ill informed the left really is. I pointed out several post back that there was no proof Forrest was ever even in the Klan much less its founder or Grand Wizard. Furthermore, even if he was, which he was not, the school was not named after him because of the Klan, it was named after him because of his prowess as a horse soldier. See Post 73

"By the way, before the issue comes up, there is absolutely no evidence that NBF was a "Grand Dragon" of the KKK or was actually ever involved in the Klan at all. He was a very popular figure after the end of the war and the press wanted to squash all of that. He was investigated by Congress for his alleged role and no evidence was found to incriminate him. Remember the Klan at that time wasn't just an anti black group but would have been considered a terrorist organization against Federal troops under Reconstruction."

Damn some people just are stooooopid

Hey .. try digging a little deeper than Google ... maybe you get a Grade School're yo help you.

As far as some people ... you're correct, now take the advice and fix it.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:20 PM
He admitted to being in the klan. And the congressional committee that interviewed him said it wasn't in their scope to prove if he had been a member or not.
He never admitted to being in the Klan, not once. I have done a considerable amount of research on the man and he never admitted to that. Had he done so he would have incriminated himself which he did not. You are horrendously mistaken.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:22 PM
Hey .. try digging a little deeper than Google ... maybe you get a Grade School're yo help you.

As far as some people ... you're correct, now take the advice and fix it.


You are an annoying S O B, you know that. I have used more than google for my research. What have you done to learn he was actually a member of the Klan other than Wiki or other google sites???????

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:22 PM
He admitted to being in the klan. And the congressional committee that interviewed him said it wasn't in their scope to prove if he had been a member or not.

He was a Member, there's NO disputing that FACT ... and as far as I know, neither Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton never hung anyone from a tree, but that never stops people from calling them racist. Some people are selective in their racism.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:27 PM
You are an annoying S O B, you know that. I have used more than google for my research. What have you done to learn he was actually a member of the Klan other than Wiki or other google sites???????

You can only wish I'm just an annoying S O B.

In reality ... I'm far worse than annoying and trust me I'm no one's Son of anyone's Bitch ... now are you sure you want to go the personal insult route with me?

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 12:27 PM
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/090/11/090-1120104623-train-wreck-1.jpg

Alyosha
10-22-2013, 12:27 PM
I think people also need to put some priorities to their angst. Instead of worrying about a KKK leader, they ought to look at what happened to this black kid "Andre"..."skin shock therapy".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzG-AOBQ6U

"Seclusion rooms"
"Autistic bags"

only 17 states have made this illegal. Thousands of students have been traumatized without anyone giving a shit and we can petition for a name.

Btw, Corey Foster of New York (special needs student) died.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:31 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/934/166/Muhammad-Ali-Sonny-Liston_display_image.jpg?1305248227

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:31 PM
He was a Member, there's NO disputing that FACT ... and as far as I know, neither Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton never hung anyone from a tree, but that never stops people from calling them racist. Some people are selective in their racism.


Show me a link please where he personally admitted to being in the Klan. Show me a link that Forrest ever actually lynched anyone. Did you know that Forrest released his slaves before he entered the war? He told them that anyone who would go with him on his campaigns would be freed no matter what happened in the course of the war. All but 10 of his slaves went with him. After the war all but a very few came back to his holdings to work for him.

You have no proof that Forrest was a Klansman, all you have is claims to that fact. You have no proof that Forrest ever lynched anyone for any reason (he did kill a man once for beating one of his slaves but he stabbed him with a knife)

Forrest was one of the greatest cavalry officers who ever lived and that is the reason he was and is a hero to the South.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:34 PM
You are a racist of the first order. But the argument here is not racism since there is no inherent racism in a name, my question which you refuse to answer is what does the black community intend to do about the extremely high drop out rate of black students?

Can you answer that other than complaining about a man who has been dead for over 130 years?

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:35 PM
BTW, are you implying that you can only be a racist if you have lynched someone?

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:40 PM
:f_doh: The lengths some people go through for denial ...

:wave: Have a nice trip ...

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:42 PM
You can only wish I'm just an annoying S O B.

In reality ... I'm far worse than annoying and trust me I'm no one's Son of anyone's Bitch ... now are you sure you want to go the personal insult route with me?


Are you threatening me?

And speaking of denial, why won't you answer my question regarding the drop out rate?

Peter1469
10-22-2013, 12:46 PM
You are an annoying S O B, you know that. I have used more than google for my research. What have you done to learn he was actually a member of the Klan other than Wiki or other google sites???????

Warning: stop the personal attacks.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:50 PM
Are you threatening me?

And speaking of denial, why won't you answer my question regarding the drop out rate?

Threatening you?

You're the one who called me a Annoying SOB

It's not a threat ... I really am far worse than annoying and trust me I'm no one's Son of anyone's Bitch.

Now what part of this are you having difficulty comprehending.

Peter1469
10-22-2013, 12:50 PM
Then why not take your racist Big Balls down to the hood get your fucking money and education at the same time .. sport.

But of course, you may have to leave the safety and security of the internet. :laugh:

Let's all see what happens first ... you go get paid or continue talking shit?

I'm betting you hang out and talk to the talk ... now why don't you go put a bed-sheet on your head and at least look the part like a good little boy?

Warning: stop the personal attacks.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 12:52 PM
http://blog.timesunion.com/amanda/files/2012/04/good.gif

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:53 PM
Warning: stop the personal attacks.


It wasn't personal, it was just an observation but I won't do it again.

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 12:54 PM
What I am having trouble understanding is why you won't address the real issue but would rather resort to calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. Can you answer the question of what is the black community doing to reverse the devastating black male drop out rate?

Ravi
10-22-2013, 12:55 PM
It was at about this time that Forrest, learning of the KKK, expressed a desire to join. The eminent recruit was elected grand wizard, the Klan's highest official, and tried to bring the rapidly multiplying dens under a centralized authority — his own. Forrest probably did not object to the violence, per se, as a means of restoring the pre-war hierarchy, but as a military man, he deplored the lack of discipline and structure that defined the growing KKK. In its methods and aims, the KKK was merely the avenging ghost of the Confederate army. To Forrest's dismay, though, it was not an army that he could command.
After only a year as Grand Wizard, in January 1869, faced with an ungovernable membership employing methods that seemed increasingly counterproductive, Forrest issued KKK General Order Number One: "It is therefore ordered and decreed, that the masks and costumes of this Order be entirely abolished and destroyed." By the end of his life, Forrest's racial attitudes would evolve — in 1875, he advocated for the admission of blacks into law school — and he lived to fully renounce his involvement with the all-but-vanished Klan. A new, different, and much worse Klan would emerge, 35 years after Forrest's death, in the wake of D.W. Griffith's revolutionary 1915 film, Birth of a Nation, a reactionary screed with a racialist brief that had been expanded to include Catholics and immigrants of all kinds. The second Klan was never restricted to the South; its goals had nothing to do with Forrest's vision of a restored Dixie.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/fts/palmsprings_200801A41.html

nic34
10-22-2013, 12:56 PM
What I am having trouble understanding is why you won't address the real issue but would rather resort to calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. Can you answer the question of what is the black community doing to reverse the devastating black male drop out rate?



You should probably start a thread concerning those issues ,nat.

Agravan
10-22-2013, 12:56 PM
Threatening you?

You're the one who called me a Annoying SOB

It's not a threat ... I really am far worse than annoying and trust me I'm no one's Son of anyone's Bitch.

Now what part of this are you having difficulty comprehending.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4984220480177084&pid=1.7

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:03 PM
What I am having trouble understanding is why you won't address the real issue but would rather resort to calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. Can you answer the question of what is the black community doing to reverse the devastating black male drop out rate?

All your questions can be addressed by any Black Person living in this so-called "Black Community".

I hear there's some interviewees on 51st and King Drive in Chicago.

Let us know how that works out for you.

If you really give a shit ... why not do your own research ... sport.

Take Señor D with you ... he''s an expert on Bla_People :laugh:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 01:07 PM
It was at about this time that Forrest, learning of the KKK, expressed a desire to join. The eminent recruit was elected grand wizard, the Klan's highest official, and tried to bring the rapidly multiplying dens under a centralized authority — his own. Forrest probably did not object to the violence, per se, as a means of restoring the pre-war hierarchy, but as a military man, he deplored the lack of discipline and structure that defined the growing KKK. In its methods and aims, the KKK was merely the avenging ghost of the Confederate army. To Forrest's dismay, though, it was not an army that he could command.
After only a year as Grand Wizard, in January 1869, faced with an ungovernable membership employing methods that seemed increasingly counterproductive, Forrest issued KKK General Order Number One: "It is therefore ordered and decreed, that the masks and costumes of this Order be entirely abolished and destroyed." By the end of his life, Forrest's racial attitudes would evolve — in 1875, he advocated for the admission of blacks into law school — and he lived to fully renounce his involvement with the all-but-vanished Klan. A new, different, and much worse Klan would emerge, 35 years after Forrest's death, in the wake of D.W. Griffith's revolutionary 1915 film, Birth of a Nation, a reactionary screed with a racialist brief that had been expanded to include Catholics and immigrants of all kinds. The second Klan was never restricted to the South; its goals had nothing to do with Forrest's vision of a restored Dixie.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/fts/palmsprings_200801A41.html


LOL LOL LOL

This is almost as bad as Wiki. There has been no proof other than innuendo that Forrest was ever involved with the Klan. All PBS has is what others wrote about him and that is all open to question. I have done far more than look up a few Google websites for my information by the way so you are a rank amateur as far as I am concerned and nothing you post will carry any merit.

And I cannot provide you what does not exist.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:08 PM
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4984220480177084&pid=1.7

:grin:

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/18034910/life-is-pain-come-get-some-bitch_large.jpg

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 01:09 PM
You should probably start a thread concerning those issues ,nat.


Why? Then this thread should be closed down because if we can't really discuss anything other than closing down the school or changing its name this thread is just racist rant. I want to point out changing the name of the school is pointless unless you address the real problems that exist.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:12 PM
LOL LOL LOL

This is almost as bad as Wiki. There has been no proof other than innuendo that Forrest was ever involved with the Klan. All PBS has is what others wrote about him and that is all open to question. I have done far more than look up a few Google websites for my information by the way so you are a rank amateur as far as I am concerned and nothing you post will carry any merit.

And I cannot provide you what does not exist.



That's because they didn't have Gigabit Fiber in 1877 :Doh!:

Forrest is recognized to have been a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan (http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/kkk.html). He did not support lynching by KKK (http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/kkk.html) members and believed that the Klan (http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/kkk.html) was a noble and honorable group.

http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/images/nathanbedfordforrestcolor.jpg

http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/nathanbedfordforrest.html

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:13 PM
Why? Then this thread should be closed down because if we can't really discuss anything other than closing down the school or changing its name this thread is just racist rant. I want to point out changing the name of the school is pointless unless you address the real problems that exist.

Stop Whining ... it's unbecoming :smiley_ROFLMAO:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 01:13 PM
I see Cigar. When you can't answer a question then you have to use the "Chicago Way" and threaten those who you cannot answer.

That's the way it always is. I can't answer your post so I am just going to belittle and threaten you with bodily harm.

Well, I can tell you are a hopeless case.

Have fun wallowing in the mire

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:17 PM
I see Cigar. When you can't answer a question then you have to use the "Chicago Way" and threaten those who you cannot answer.

That's the way it always is. I can't answer your post so I am just going to belittle and threaten you with bodily harm.

Well, I can tell you are a hopeless case.

Have fun wallowing in the mire

I didn't know you were afraid ... then maybe you should stay away from Chicago if you feel it's Threatening ...

But we do have a few Bad-Asses around here who know Chicago well ... you should ask them to hold your hand when you go ask your questions. :laugh:

nathanbforrest45
10-22-2013, 01:21 PM
Has he always been this obtuse or is this something new for him?

Let me see. I am racist but I can't go into certain parts of Chicago because of my color.

Interesting observation.

You can't be a racist if you haven't lynched anyone
You can be a racist if you are attacked by someone of a different color

I don't think arguing with you is ever going to be rewarding since you don't argue. You hurl thinly veiled threats when the going gets rough.

I am out of here. There is more to life than debating with the likes of you little boy.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 01:26 PM
Has he always been this obtuse or is this something new for him?

Let me see. I am racist but I can't go into certain parts of Chicago because of my color.

Interesting observation.

You can't be a racist if you haven't lynched anyone
You can be a racist if you are attacked by someone of a different color

I don't think arguing with you is ever going to be rewarding since you don't argue. You hurl thinly veiled threats when the going gets rough.

I am out of here. There is more to life than debating with the likes of you little boy.


I think you need Therapy or some Chill-Pills, because I believe your racist views about Black People is going get you in world of hurt. :laugh:

So Relax ... everything is still all white. :grin:

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 02:04 PM
Dr. Who Peter1469 oceanloverOH

...it's happening...again. In the same thread too.

Captain Obvious
10-22-2013, 02:05 PM
@Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612) @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) @oceanloverOH (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=494)

...it's happening...again. In the same thread too.

All you need to do is click "report post" down toward the lower left-hand corner.

Mister D
10-22-2013, 02:05 PM
of course Forrest will be to blame not the repeat offender.

Cthulhu
10-22-2013, 02:11 PM
of course Forrest will be to blame not the repeat offender.

There is a method to the madness.

Cigar
10-22-2013, 04:02 PM
All you need to do is click "report post" down toward the lower left-hand corner.

Mommy Mommy Mommy

Peter1469
10-22-2013, 06:23 PM
I closed the thread.