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Codename Section
11-11-2013, 12:53 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395168_941384447359_408884615_n.jpg


https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/operation_vigilant_eagle_is_this_really_how_we_hon or_our_nations_veterans



Operation Vigilant Eagle: Is This Really How We Honor Our Nation’s Veterans?


By John W. Whitehead



May 20, 2013





“I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly
for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her
perpetually.”—James A. Baldwin


Just in time for Memorial Day, we’re being treated to a generous
serving of praise and grandstanding by politicians, corporations and
others with similarly self-serving motives eager to go on record as
being pro-military. Patriotic platitudes aside, however, America has
done a deplorable job of caring for her veterans. We erect monuments for
those who die while serving in the military, yet for those who return
home, there’s little honor to be found.


Despite the fact that the U.S. boasts more than 23 million veterans who
have served in World War II through Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iraq
and Afghanistan, the plight of veterans today, while often overlooked,
is common knowledge: impoverished, unemployed, lacking any decent health
benefits, homeless, traumatized mentally and physically, struggling
with depression, thoughts of suicide, marital stress.


Making matters worse, thanks to Operation Vigilant Eagle, a program
launched by the Department of Homeland Security in 2009, military
veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are also being
characterized as extremists and potential domestic terrorist threats
because they may be “disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the
psychological effects of war.” As a result, these servicemen and
women—many of whom are decorated—are finding themselves under
surveillance, threatened with incarceration or involuntary commitment,
or arrested, all for daring to voice their concerns about the alarming
state of our union and the erosion of our freedoms.


An important point to consider, however, is that the government is not
merely targeting individuals who are voicing their discontent so much as
it is locking up individuals trained in military warfare who
are voicing feelings of discontent. Under the guise of mental health
treatment and with the complicity of government psychiatrists and law
enforcement officials, these veterans are increasingly being portrayed
as ticking time bombs in need of intervention. In 2012, for instance,
the Justice Department launched a pilot program aimed at training SWAT
teams to deal with confrontations involving highly trained and often
heavily armed combat veterans.


In the four years since the start of Operation Vigilant Eagle, the
government has steadily ramped up its campaign to “silence” dissidents,
especially those with military backgrounds. Coupled with the DHS’ dual
reports on Rightwing and Leftwing “Extremism,” which broadly define
extremists as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment,
rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely,” these tactics have boded ill
for anyone seen as opposing the government.


One particularly troubling mental health label being applied to
veterans and others who challenge the status quo is “oppositional
defiance disorder” (ODD). As journalist Anthony Martin explains, an ODD
diagnosis


“denotes that the person exhibits ‘symptoms’ such as the questioning of
authority, the refusal to follow directions, stubbornness, the
unwillingness to go along with the crowd, and the practice of disobeying
or ignoring orders. Persons may also receive such a label if they are
considered free thinkers, nonconformists, or individuals who are
suspicious of large, centralized government… At one time the accepted
protocol among mental health professionals was to reserve the diagnosis
of oppositional defiance disorder for children or adolescents who
exhibited uncontrollable defiance toward their parents and teachers.”


The case of 26-year-old decorated Marine Brandon Raub—who was targeted
because of his Facebook posts, interrogated by government agents about
his views on government corruption, arrested with no warning, labeled
mentally ill for subscribing to so-called “conspiratorial” views about
the government, detained against his will in a psych ward for standing
by his views, and isolated from his family, friends and attorneys—is a
prime example of the government’s war on veterans.


Raub’s case exposes the seedy underbelly of a governmental system that
is targeting Americans—especially military veterans—for expressing their
discontent over America’s rapid transition to a police state.


On Thursday, August 16, 2012, a swarm of local police, Secret Service
and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him about
posts he had made on his Facebook page made up of song lyrics, political
opinions and dialogue used in a political thriller virtual card game.
Among the posts cited as troublesome were lyrics to a song by the rap
group Swollen Members and Raub’s views, shared increasingly by a number
of Americans, that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were an inside job.


After a brief conversation and without providing any explanation,
levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law
enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to
the police headquarters, then to a medical center, where he was held
against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook posts were
“terrorist in nature.” Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted
the footage to YouTube, where it quickly went viral. Meanwhile, The
Rutherford Institute came to Raub’s assistance, which combined with
heightened media attention, may have helped prevent Raub from being
successfully “disappeared” by the government.


In a hearing on August 20, government officials pointed to Raub’s
Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his
continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact
that the Facebook posts were being read out of context, Raub was
sentenced to up to 30 days’ further confinement in a psychiatric ward.
While in the psych ward, Raub reported being interrogated by medical
staff about his views about the government and threatened by a doctor
with brainwashing. Raub’s legal team, provided by The Rutherford
Institute, immediately began petitioning the courts for his release.


On August 23, Circuit Court Judge Allan Sharrett declared the
government’s case to be lacking in factual allegations and ordered Raub
immediately released. However, for the tens of thousands of individuals
detained—wrongfully or otherwise—under civil commitment laws every year,
regaining their freedom is nearly impossible, predicated as it is on a
bureaucratic legal and judicial system.


Within days of Raub being seized at his Virginia home on August 16,
2012, and forcibly held in a VA psych ward, news reports started
surfacing of other veterans having similar experiences.


That the government is using the charge of mental illness as the means
by which to immobilize (and disarm) these veterans is diabolically
brilliant. With one stroke of a magistrate’s pen, these service men are
being declared mentally ill, locked away against their will, and
stripped of their constitutional rights. Make no mistake, these
returning veterans are being positioned as enemy number one.


Given the government’s increasing view of veterans as potential
domestic terrorists, it makes one think twice about a new Michigan law
that adds a veterans designation on Michigan driver's licenses and state
IDs. Hailed by politicians as a way to “make it easier for military
veterans to access discounts from retailers, restaurants, hotels and
vendors across the state,” it will also make it that much easier for the
government to identify and target veterans who dare to challenge the
status quo.



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Brandon Raub understands this all too well. While still serving with
the Marines in Afghanistan in November 2011, Raub put pen to paper in
order to flesh out some of his concerns about the dismantling of freedom
in America. His concerns echo those of countless Americans like myself
dismayed at the nation’s descent into authoritarianism:


America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are… They are
controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school
systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in
rags. The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have
spilled their blood for those rights. Your sons and daughters, your
brothers and sisters, and America’s best young men and women are losing
their limbs. They are losing their lives. They are losing the hearts.
They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do
not know why. They have done some extraordinary acts. Their deeds go
before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They deceived our
entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our
rights… We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with
our republic. There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:08 PM
We can still get a free burger at Applebees. Support the Troops!

KC
11-11-2013, 01:11 PM
It is total bullshit, but don't expect any sincere respect from two faced politicians. What you have done is honorable, and as long as your loved ones mean it when they honor your service that's what really ought to matter, imo.

Adelaide
11-11-2013, 01:11 PM
I didn't agree with the war in Afghanistan for our soldiers, and every death was a reminder (at least to me) that we shouldn't have gone, but I have the utmost respect for those that serve. I've particpated in the Highway of Heroes repatriation tradition. I don't agree with the cause they died for but I think they should be remembered. Maybe it's different because Canada doesn't go to war or intervene for non-peacekeeping missions very often.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 01:11 PM
That burger would have to be served by a naked Candace Swanpool from a beach in Brazil to make up for the bullshit.

Cthulhu
11-11-2013, 01:12 PM
We can still get a free burger at Applebees. Support the Troops!

Amen.

But that doesn't change the situation. Codename is right, this is crap.

Still gonna get my burger though.

Good thing I am not a disgruntled vet I guess. Doesn't much matter really, I have already skylined myself.

Cthulhu
11-11-2013, 01:13 PM
That burger would have to be served by a naked Candace Swanpool from a beach in Brazil to make up for the bullshit.

No. There is no atonement for this nonsense. No amount of naked delivery of divine sandwiches will absolve them.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:14 PM
Amen.

But that doesn't change the situation. Codename is right, this is crap.

Still gonna get my burger though.

Good thing I am not a disgruntled vet I guess. Doesn't much matter really, I have already skylined myself.


What does "Support the Troops" mean anymore? A pat on the back? A flat in the yard on Veterans Day. A hamburger? Dude, how bout voting against these mutherfuckers who put us in and keep us in garbage dumps like Afghanistan.

Does any vet on here know why we're in Afghanistan? Do yall know why we had a two front war?

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 01:16 PM
I promised jillian a thread on Raub. Wash Cthulhu you guys sticking around for a bit?

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:18 PM
No. There is no atonement for this nonsense. No amount of naked delivery of divine sandwiches will absolve them.

I wouldn't be too hasty. If I got to keep both the burger and Swanpool (or in my case Kelly Rowland) I'd be all about it.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:18 PM
I promised jillian a thread on Raub. Wash Cthulhu you guys sticking around for a bit?

I got an hour or so.

Cthulhu
11-11-2013, 01:30 PM
I promised jillian a thread on Raub. Wash Cthulhu you guys sticking around for a bit?

I'll be gone in a few, but back later after class.


I wouldn't be too hasty. If I got to keep both the burger and Swanpool (or in my case Kelly Rowland) I'd be all about it.

Then you would be bought with a low price.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:34 PM
Then you would be bought with a low price.

Better than what I'm getting now.

Cthulhu
11-11-2013, 01:42 PM
Better than what I'm getting now.

Touche.

The Sage of Main Street
11-11-2013, 01:44 PM
What does "Support the Troops" mean anymore? A pat on the back? A flat in the yard on Veterans Day. A hamburger? Dude, how bout voting against these mutherfuckers who put us in and keep us in garbage dumps like Afghanistan.

Does any vet on here know why we're in Afghanistan? Do yall know why we had a two front war?

Because Chickenhawk Bush thought it would be like his own sissy service: two weeks in the summer, one weekend a month. Just like the gutless puke was afraid to fight the Viet Cong, he bypassed bin Laden at Tora Bora and settled for what he thought would be a quick, showy, and easy total victory against the Taliban.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 01:48 PM
Because Chickenhawk Bush thought it would be like his own sissy service: two weeks in the summer, one weekend a month. Just like the gutless puke was afraid to fight the Viet Cong, he bypassed bin Laden at Tora Bora and settled for what he thought would be a quick, showy, and easy total victory against the Taliban.

If you say so. I think he did what his Daddy and Dick told him to do. I don't think there was much thought put into it.

Peter1469
11-11-2013, 03:02 PM
What does "Support the Troops" mean anymore? A pat on the back? A flat in the yard on Veterans Day. A hamburger? Dude, how bout voting against these mutherfuckers who put us in and keep us in garbage dumps like Afghanistan.

Does any vet on here know why we're in Afghanistan? Do yall know why we had a two front war?

I know why we went to Afghanistan. I agreed with the original purpose. But then mission creep got us stuck in a needless and futile occupation.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 03:13 PM
We put boots on the ground in Afghanistan to dig out AQ leadership. We stopped before we could dig out leadership. We stayed for whatever reason. More trusting people will say to help build democracy in a tribal region others will say to balance the power of resources.

Today I'm just pissy so I won't comment further.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 04:02 PM
We put boots on the ground in Afghanistan to dig out AQ leadership. We stopped before we could dig out leadership. We stayed for whatever reason. More trusting people will say to help build democracy in a tribal region others will say to balance the power of resources.

Today I'm just pissy so I won't comment further.

Dude you've been pissy for weeks. Today aint no different.

Ravi
11-11-2013, 04:55 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395168_941384447359_408884615_n.jpg


https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/operation_vigilant_eagle_is_this_really_how_we_hon or_our_nations_veterans





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There has been no take over of the US, so yeah, those that are disgruntled about something that didn't happen need psychiatric help, imo.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 04:57 PM
There has been no take over of the US, so yeah, those that are disgruntled about something that didn't happen need psychiatric help, imo.

What are you talking about? You are totally confused or something. Maybe you're responding to the wrong thread.

jillian
11-11-2013, 05:03 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

i understand why you'd feel that way. and most vets i know would be offended and should be since they do nothing but support their government.

what about the ones coming back who think it's ok to "rise up" against the government?

countryboy
11-11-2013, 05:07 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395168_941384447359_408884615_n.jpg


https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/operation_vigilant_eagle_is_this_really_how_we_hon or_our_nations_veterans





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To many of us, it's not bullshit. Many of us truly do honor you guys bro. Fuck the politicians, real people are all that matters.

Thank you BG, seriously. 4531

The Wash
11-11-2013, 05:07 PM
i understand why you'd feel that way. and most vets i know would be offended and should be since they do nothing but support their government.

what about the ones coming back who think it's ok to "rise up" against the government?

Who would that be and why do you think they want to "rise up"?

Maybe those dudes saw some shit and it is time to give them a platform to tell what they saw instead of making people so afraid to speak.

Dr. Who
11-11-2013, 05:18 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395168_941384447359_408884615_n.jpg


https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/operation_vigilant_eagle_is_this_really_how_we_hon or_our_nations_veterans





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So essentially, if you are a political dissident, you are an enemy of America. Sounds familiar. Where have I seen that kind of thinking before? Oh yes, the USSR, China, Nazi Germany and in just about every dictatorship on the planet. So much for the 1st Amendment.

Ravi
11-11-2013, 05:19 PM
What are you talking about? You are totally confused or something. Maybe you're responding to the wrong thread.

I'm commenting on the OP. Why don't you read it?

Ravi
11-11-2013, 05:25 PM
Here's the kind of people they look at (via wiki)

Operation Vigilant Eagle is an American law-enforcement effort headed by the FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) aimed at preventing political violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence) by "lone wolf" terrorists. The operation was first mentioned in the Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal) in April 2009.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vigilant_Eagle#cite_note-wsj1-1)
In this case a "lone wolf" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_%28terrorism%29) is a person who operates alone, outside of extremest organizations. Examples included Theodore Kaczynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski), the Unabomber, Scott Roeder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Roeder) who killed a Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas) abortion doctor and James von Brunn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_von_Brunn) who attacked the American United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum). Such attackers are hard to detect as they do not associate with other extremists.

The Xl
11-11-2013, 05:40 PM
Hey, buying coffee with cash make you a potential terrorist. http://www.infowars.com/fbi-paying-cash-for-a-cup-of-coffee-a-potential-indicator-of-terrorist-activity/

GrassrootsConservative
11-11-2013, 05:43 PM
Inb4Attacksoninforwars.

Green Arrow
11-11-2013, 06:00 PM
What does "Support the Troops" mean anymore?

To most Americans, it means a lot of symbolism but no substance. To me, it means doing everything I can to fight for an end to all our wars and a STRONG system of checks before our government is permitted to even consider sending our troops into war, let alone sign the order. To me, it means opposing every politician that does not have an anti-war record, and refusing to support any politician that will not come out against war.

I like to combine symbolism and substance so my support is real, not fake. I actually know and am close to lots of people in the military, people I grew up with, even family.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 06:15 PM
Here's the kind of people they look at (via wiki)

Operation Vigilant Eagle is an American law-enforcement effort headed by the FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) aimed at preventing political violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence) by "lone wolf" terrorists. The operation was first mentioned in the Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal) in April 2009.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vigilant_Eagle#cite_note-wsj1-1)
In this case a "lone wolf" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)) is a person who operates alone, outside of extremest organizations. Examples included Theodore Kaczynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski), the Unabomber, Scott Roeder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Roeder) who killed a Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas) abortion doctor and James von Brunn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_von_Brunn) who attacked the American United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum). Such attackers are hard to detect as they do not associate with other extremists.

That is wikipedia. If you don't care to look at how it is has actually been used and only want to give me the definition I really don't see where we have anything to talk about.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 06:20 PM
What are you talking about? You are totally confused or something. Maybe you're responding to the wrong thread.

Her religion is the US government until Christie or Rand Paul is elected. Then she'll be an anti-war protester and support the troop person. Bet on it.

Ravi
11-11-2013, 07:12 PM
That is wikipedia. If you don't care to look at how it is has actually been used and only want to give me the definition I really don't see where we have anything to talk about.
I know, CS. You only believe what you want to believe. Happy veteran's day, regardless. My dad salutes you.

jillian
11-11-2013, 07:55 PM
That is wikipedia. If you don't care to look at how it is has actually been used and only want to give me the definition I really don't see where we have anything to talk about.

it's a means of identifying potential threats based on specific intelligence.

that said, wikipedia and a wall street journal article seem to be the only sources that aren't from conspiracy theory or extremist sites.

Peter1469
11-11-2013, 08:02 PM
it's a means of identifying potential threats based on specific intelligence.

that said, wikipedia and a wall street journal article seem to be the only sources that aren't from conspiracy theory or extremist sites.

Regardless of the conspiracy and extremist sites, the appellate judge is probably the best source to look to if you care about whether the ex-marines' rights were violated or not.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 08:03 PM
it's a means of identifying potential threats based on specific intelligence.

that said, wikipedia and a wall street journal article seem to be the only sources that aren't from conspiracy theory or extremist sites.

The Rutherford Institute is an extremist site? You know John Whitehead writes for Huffington Post. You know he's made caselaw. He is an extremist?

What am I to you? Am I a dangerous extremist?

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 08:15 PM
Is Huffpo extremist?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 08:16 PM
I know, CS. You only believe what you want to believe. Happy veteran's day, regardless. My dad salutes you.

Save it.

Codename Section
11-11-2013, 08:18 PM
The great extremist site that supports extremism, talking about operation vigilant eagle

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/america-commitment-laws-silencing_b_1874803.html

AmazonTania
11-11-2013, 08:21 PM
It's bullshit. They shouldn't even declare it a national holiday anymore.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395168_941384447359_408884615_n.jpg


https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/operation_vigilant_eagle_is_this_really_how_we_hon or_our_nations_veterans





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Veterans Day is a holiday? The markets were open, and tons of people went to work.

Not much of a holiday if you ask me.

The Wash
11-11-2013, 10:13 PM
The Rutherford Institute is an extremist site? You know John Whitehead writes for Huffington Post. You know he's made caselaw. He is an extremist?

What am I to you? Am I a dangerous extremist?

Oh yeh. We're dangerous. I'm double dangerous because apparently I'm "Mustafa the angry militant muslim" AND a combat vet who thinks our political system is a joke.

Dr. Who
11-12-2013, 12:21 AM
Oh yeh. We're dangerous. I'm double dangerous because apparently I'm "Mustafa the angry militant muslim" AND a combat vet who thinks our political system is a joke.

Lol. People infer such ridiculous things if you don't happen to agree with them.

countryboy
11-12-2013, 08:10 AM
Veterans Day is ay? The markets were open, and tons of people went to work.

Not much of a holiday if you ask me.

I believe it's only a holiday for federal employees. Nice huh? :rolleyes:

Terminal Lance
11-12-2013, 11:19 AM
i understand why you'd feel that way. and most vets i know would be offended and should be since they do nothing but support their government.

We have supported the government to our own detriment in many cases. Lost limbs, life, and then at the end of the day found ourselves eating beef jerky while guarding roads so that the opium trade didn't break out into tribal war.




what about the ones coming back who think it's ok to "rise up" against the government?

No one would be foolish enough to say it even if they thought it. Everyone is well aware of the government's ability to read emails, listen to phone calls, and now we know you can be arrested for posting song lyrics on Facebook.

I doubt you would find a single vet who would speak to you about rising up against the government in any manner not passive, non-violent resistance.

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 11:24 AM
All of us are hippies now. If I pull it tight my hair is now to the tip of my nose. :D

The Wash
11-12-2013, 11:40 AM
All of us are hippies now. If I pull it tight my hair is now to the tip of my nose. :D

Combing my fro as we speak.

The Sage of Main Street
11-12-2013, 11:46 AM
I think he did what his Daddy and Dick told him to do. I don't think there was much thought put into it.

Thought from Dumbo Dubya? If so, his brain waves are yellow.

The Sage of Main Street
11-12-2013, 11:49 AM
We put boots on the ground in Afghanistan to dig out AQ leadership. We stopped before we could dig out leadership. We stayed for whatever reason. More trusting people will say to help build democracy in a tribal region others will say to balance the power of resources.

Today I'm just pissy so I won't comment further.

What So Proudly We Halliburton. Nation-building was a big payoff for the State Department's corporate sponsors. Our corps of corporate bootlickers got to admire the business strategy:

Oinkonomics 101--Too Pig to Fail
Halliburton builds a bridge. The rabid Arabs or Tail Bunnies blow it up. Halliburton gets a second contract, to build the replacement bridge. A twofer for GOPers.

The Wash
11-12-2013, 11:51 AM
What So Proudly We Halliburton. Nation-building was a big payoff for the State Department's corporate sponsors.

Truth.

Cthulhu
11-12-2013, 06:45 PM
All of us are hippies now. If I pull it tight my hair is now to the tip of my nose. :D


Combing my fro as we speak.

Jeez. I guess I'm the odd one. I shaved my head a little while ago because I was getting scruffy.

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 07:05 PM
Jeez. I guess I'm the odd one. I shaved my head a little while ago because I was getting scruffy.

Yeh, I noticed you were close to the high and tight, almost a fuzzy low reg. Wassup, devil dog? I'd think you'd gotten your fill of that.

Cthulhu
11-12-2013, 07:17 PM
Yeh, I noticed you were close to the high and tight, almost a fuzzy low reg. Wassup, devil dog? I'd think you'd gotten your fill of that.

Needed a hair cut, and I'm too cheap to pay for one, and the wife was busy.

Believe me, it isn't my first choice given an Idaho winter.

countryboy
11-12-2013, 07:23 PM
Needed a hair cut, and I'm too cheap to pay for one, and the wife was busy.

Believe me, it isn't my first choice given an Idaho winter.
That's not cheap, it's frugal. There is a diffence. I got tired of paying for shitty haircuts, so I got myself a nice cordless clipper. I run the #2 on the sides and back, the #3 on top, and have the wife clean up my neck. Looks better than Best Cuts, and I don't have to wait in line. The clippers paid for themselves in three cuts. :wink:

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 07:25 PM
I have beautiful shiny locks for the first time since high school. Regardless of HOW MUCH someone wants me to go back to the devil dog look they are staying...at least for awhile. I need to have some black hair sticking out under my John Deere for the total redneck look to work.

:D

Cthulhu
11-12-2013, 07:37 PM
I have beautiful shiny locks for the first time since high school. Regardless of HOW MUCH someone wants me to go back to the devil dog look they are staying...at least for awhile. I need to have some black hair sticking out under my John Deere for the total redneck look to work.

:D

Don't forget the straw hat, and a single shaft off wheat sticking out of your mouth while you're riding the tractor.

Codename Section
11-12-2013, 07:41 PM
Don't forget the straw hat, and a single shaft off wheat sticking out of your mouth while you're riding the tractor.

Got my carhart field jacket, boots, etc. I am almost back to my former glory.

Philly Rabbit
11-13-2013, 11:29 AM
I can feel the love for veterans on this thread. (sarcasm)

The day I honor is memorial day. Veterans day I can take or leave.

Green Arrow
11-13-2013, 11:33 AM
I can feel the love for veterans on this thread. (sarcasm)

As far as I'm aware, most of the people on this thread, OP included, are veterans. As for me, most of my close friends and adopted family are now in the military, so I'm certainly not anti-vet in any sense of the word.

The Sage of Main Street
11-13-2013, 12:56 PM
I have beautiful shiny locks for the first time since high school. Regardless of HOW MUCH someone wants me to go back to the devil dog look they are staying...at least for awhile. I need to have some black hair sticking out under my John Deere for the total redneck look to work.

:D
Marines were so shunned in DC in 1968 that they would even wear wigs when on liberty there to hide the fact that they were "loser nobodies too dumb to get out of having to serve."

The Wash
11-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Marines were so shunned in DC in 1968 that they would even wear wigs when on liberty there to hide the fact that they were "loser nobodies too dumb to get out of having to serve."

The public has a fucked up relationship with the marines and other vets. They love us or hate us depending on the dance they can make us do. Under Bush liberals loved us. Under Obama they're fine with us being "watched".

It's why I have a hate-hate relationship with most of the public these days.

Terminal Lance
11-13-2013, 10:12 PM
The public has a fucked up relationship with the marines and other vets. They love us or hate us depending on the dance they can make us do. Under Bush liberals loved us. Under Obama they're fine with us being "watched".

It's why I have a hate-hate relationship with most of the public these days.

I don't know. I get depressed some days when I would hear Napolitano speak but I think in general people like us.

The Wash
11-13-2013, 11:20 PM
I don't know. I get depressed some days when I would hear Napolitano speak but I think in general people like us.

I'm not concerned with being liked. I want to be left in peace.

Philly Rabbit
11-14-2013, 07:26 AM
I don't know. I get depressed some days when I would hear Napolitano speak but I think in general people like us.

Back during my war, the public made a mistake blaming us for it. That wall in DC changed public opinion dramatically from the Hollywood stigma we were labeled with.

The Sage of Main Street
11-14-2013, 11:21 AM
The public has a fucked up relationship with the marines and other vets. They love us or hate us depending on the dance they can make us do. Under Bush liberals loved us. Under Obama they're fine with us being "watched".

It's why I have a hate-hate relationship with most of the public these days.

Cowards are that way. After Bush chickened out of Vietnam, he became a drunk for the next ten years because blurred vision kept him from seeing his mirror's yellow image.