Raising and Growing Your Own Food: Heritage Pigs

[Mr. Freeze]

I used to be a vegetarian on cruelty principles. I don't believe any creature should live its life in a cage. I tried to be a biologist before my parents destroyed my hopes and dreams and made me take accounting.

I raise my own food now, and I do it without cruelty and with much love. I realize its hard for people to understand how I can raise something and eat it, but I am an apex predator no different than a bear. I can eat berries and meat.

If I raise the pig, chicken, or cow, I can give it a good life of free range (as best as possible) and make sure it has enjoyment while it is on this earth.

I raise these guys:

http://www.gourmet.com/images/foodpolitics/2009/05/fp-good-breeding-608.jpg

GOP^

http://www.camanna.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Eleanora-KuneKune-2013.jpg

and these

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jNfNldcOSOE/UeVz5IJQKTI/AAAAAAAAAf0/WGQ4zzcQuWU/s1600/251.JPG



I'm going to branch out into other varieties this spring.

[Codename Section]

Tasty.

[Mr. Freeze]

Isn't this better than what's in stores?

http://beefandwhiskey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mangaVrsBerks3.jpg

[Cthulhu]

I salute thee, O lord of the bacon.

[Green Arrow]

Ahh, bacon without hormones and a profit for big agriculture. Beautiful.

[Mr. Freeze]

This is a pig I'm buying but it's hard to bring into the US, so I'm having to go through some legal hoops because of the way it looks.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu8pQHxTqEpvTlEUSNA0_Tzdt9nWNY6 vlHLoWIy0lhQDXumL91

[KC]

This is a pig I'm buying but it's hard to bring into the US, so I'm having to go through some legal hoops because of the way it looks.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu8pQHxTqEpvTlEUSNA0_Tzdt9nWNY6 vlHLoWIy0lhQDXumL91


Why is it difficult to bring into the US?

Edit: Let me rephrase. What's the rationale for legal boundaries against that particular pig?

[Mr. Freeze]

Why is it difficult to bring into the US?

Edit: Let me rephrase. What's the rationale for legal boundaries against that particular pig?

None. Think of the dispute between assault rifles and hunting rifles and you have your answer. These are "foraging" pigs, ie free range. Laws that regulate pigs or prevent feral populations kick in.

The thing that people don't realize is that all pigs are foragers.

I've gotten all the paperwork filled out and sent in. Should be able to get them in the spring. It is the best bacon in the world.

[Mister D]

Very cool.

[Mr. Freeze]

I have one that will just be a pet pig. She sleeps on the back deck with the dog. I put a leash on her and walk her. She's an "Old Spot" (see first pic in thread)

[zelmo1234]

None. Think of the dispute between assault rifles and hunting rifles and you have your answer. These are "foraging" pigs, ie free range. Laws that regulate pigs or prevent feral populations kick in.

The thing that people don't realize is that all pigs are foragers.

I've gotten all the paperwork filled out and sent in. Should be able to get them in the spring. It is the best bacon in the world.

OK kid how do I buy one of these pigs that Code has been bragging about!

I am all about supporting those that deserve it!

[Mr. Freeze]

OK kid how do I buy one of these pigs that Code has been bragging about!

I am all about supporting those that deserve it!


Which kind? What are you looking for?

--I'm not trying to get sales (to the mods) just showing what I'm proud of.

I have others breeds, too.

There are some that have better "American bacon" some that have better "English bacon", some are better for sausage.

I sell piglets and processed meat.

[Mr. Freeze]

Tamworth's are great bacon and they don't rip up the ground.

http://www.bigpictureagriculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/22.png


The sweetest are old spots.

[Mr. Freeze]

Cute huh?

http://kunepigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/P1070848.jpg

[Mr. Freeze]

And these guys

http://media.tulsafood.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/192988_194061913962108_194048983963401_570033_4355 4_o.jpg

[Cthulhu]

And these guys

http://media.tulsafood.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/192988_194061913962108_194048983963401_570033_4355 4_o.jpg

God Bless them. For their unique bodily alchemy of turning worthless green leafy stuffs in to bacon.

[Mr. Freeze]

I built my own smokehouse, too.

You haven't had bacon unless you've had heritage pig bacon smoked. I do a brown sugar, black pepper, and salt brine and then they go in the smoker with applewood.

[Mister D]

I built my own smokehouse, too.

You haven't had bacon unless you've had heritage pig bacon smoked. I do a brown sugar, black pepper, and salt brine and then they go in the smoker with applewood.

I buy Heritage products from Dartagnan.

[Cthulhu]

I built my own smokehouse, too.

You haven't had bacon unless you've had heritage pig bacon smoked. I do a brown sugar, black pepper, and salt brine and then they go in the smoker with applewood.

You should start an orchard too then. It would only make sense.

[Mr. Freeze]

You should start an orchard too then. It would only make sense.

Well and pigs love apples. They'll knock you over for one.

[Mr. Freeze]

I buy Heritage products from Dartagnan.

Oh, I didn't show up to sell my product. I hope that's not what you're thinking.

[Cthulhu]

Well and pigs love apples. They'll knock you over for one.

Do you have to tear out their front teeth to prevent cannibalism? Or this that only necessary for the swine in close quarters?

[Mr. Freeze]

Do you have to tear out their front teeth to prevent cannibalism? Or this that only necessary for the swine in close quarters?

Well (stop me if this gets boring) the reason why they resort to that is the close quarters and lack of handling.

When you play with them, show them love, provide them with treats and handle them they are not like this. If they have room to be happy its like having 60 beagles.

The problem is on the owner/farmer because when you do that you love them. It cannot be helped. Pigs are sweet when raised right. But that's the pain of farming and the balance.

[Mister D]

Oh, I didn't show up to sell my product. I hope that's not what you're thinking.

:laugh: not at all, man. I was just making conversation. What you do is cool.

[Mr. Freeze]

:laugh: not at all, man. I was just making conversation. What you do is cool.

I used to be an accountant and play in a rock band. Now I raise pigs and I'm barely over 30. Life leads you in strange places.

[Mister D]

I used to be an accountant and play in a rock band. Now I raise pigs and I'm barely over 30. Life leads you in strange places.

What state if I may ask?

[Mr. Freeze]

What state if I may ask?

Virginia

[Cthulhu]

Well (stop me if this gets boring) the reason why they resort to that is the close quarters and lack of handling.

When you play with them, show them love, provide them with treats and handle them they are not like this. If they have room to be happy its like having 60 beagles.

The problem is on the owner/farmer because when you do that you love them. It cannot be helped. Pigs are sweet when raised right. But that's the pain of farming and the balance.

Insightful actually, not boring. I could handle having pigs if they are like that. Like you said, the trick with farming is handling the animals regularly. I worked on a ranch with cows for a bit, I learned to hate those creatures though. At the same time, I'm sure they hated me too.

I was impersonal to them because of the demands of time, although there was one cow in particular that had a beef with me and most other people as well. He's probably a hamburger by now though. Comes with the turf of ranching en masse, you cannot possibly have a connection to your bestiary.

[Mr. Freeze]

Insightful actually, not boring. I could handle having pigs if they are like that. Like you said, the trick with farming is handling the animals regularly. I worked on a ranch with cows for a bit, I learned to hate those creatures though. At the same time, I'm sure they hated me too.

I was impersonal to them because of the demands of time, although there was one cow in particular that had a beef with me and most other people as well. He's probably a hamburger by now though. Comes with the turf of ranching en masse, you cannot possibly have a connection to your bestiary.

Cows (we're branching into mini cows now) are kinda dumb. Pigs are sweet like dogs.

[Dr. Who]

This is a pig I'm buying but it's hard to bring into the US, so I'm having to go through some legal hoops because of the way it looks.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu8pQHxTqEpvTlEUSNA0_Tzdt9nWNY6 vlHLoWIy0lhQDXumL91

Wow, it looks like a pig crossed with sheep. Can you get wool from them?

[Mr. Freeze]

Wow, it looks like a pig crossed with sheep. Can you get wool from them?

I guess you could. They have the tenderest meat (Mangalitsa). They outlawed them in Michigan and this gay couple lost their entire life savings over it. They kept calling them "feral hogs" because they were large and strange looking and not in the usual hog pen.

I have tons of fencing and let mine "free range" (not Mangalitsa)....feral implies "wild" and pigs are easily tamed. And unfortunately so. I've had to have help from Code and his friends because the hard part for me is saying bye. They really are sweet animals.

People won't stop eating bacon and I'd rather educate people on free range pigs.

This is healthier and kinder

http://www.holdanca.ca/pig.jpg

than this

http://www.southernstudies.org/assets_c/2009/04/hog_farm-thumb-250x178.jpg


^^The KINDEST picture I could show you from Smithfield. It's horrible.

[Cthulhu]

Cows (we're branching into mini cows now) are kinda dumb. Pigs are sweet like dogs.

If I could raise cows, they would be the Irish Dexter breed. Even if they have the water baby problem. I like them.

[McCool]

I used to be a vegetarian on cruelty principles. I don't believe any creature should live its life in a cage. I tried to be a biologist before my parents destroyed my hopes and dreams and made me take accounting.

I raise my own food now, and I do it without cruelty and with much love. I realize its hard for people to understand how I can raise something and eat it, but I am an apex predator no different than a bear. I can eat berries and meat.

If I raise the pig, chicken, or cow, I can give it a good life of free range (as best as possible) and make sure it has enjoyment while it is on this earth.

I raise these guys:

http://www.gourmet.com/images/foodpolitics/2009/05/fp-good-breeding-608.jpg

GOP^

http://www.camanna.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Eleanora-KuneKune-2013.jpg

and these

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jNfNldcOSOE/UeVz5IJQKTI/AAAAAAAAAf0/WGQ4zzcQuWU/s1600/251.JPG



I'm going to branch out into other varieties this spring. mmmmmm raised with love and care pork products.....

[Peter1469]

Isn't this better than what's in stores?

http://beefandwhiskey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/mangaVrsBerks3.jpg

That looks great!

[Codename Section]

Tastes amazing.

[Ethereal]

Here is something you might find useful.

http://www.wvpt.net/programming/vf.html (http://www.wvpt.net/programming/vf.html)

http://virginiafarmtotable.org/

[Alyosha]

Here is something you might find useful.

http://www.wvpt.net/programming/vf.html (http://www.wvpt.net/programming/vf.html)

http://virginiafarmtotable.org/

Hey, smoopy.

[Ethereal]

Another good way for people to grow their own food is to cultivate honey bees, and in Virginia the state government is subsidizing people who get into beekeeping. Not saying that is "right" or "wrong", just a fact.

http://vdacs.virginia.gov/plant&pest/pollinator.shtml
http://farmprogress.com/story-new-grants-available-virginia-beekeepers-9-60210
http://www.apiculture.ento.vt.edu/
http://www.hungryhillhoney.com/

[Peter1469]

Another good way for people to grow their own food is to cultivate honey bees, and in Virginia the state government is subsidizing people who get into beekeeping. Not saying that is "right" or "wrong", just a fact.

http://vdacs.virginia.gov/plant&pest/pollinator.shtml
http://farmprogress.com/story-new-grants-available-virginia-beekeepers-9-60210
http://www.apiculture.ento.vt.edu/
http://www.hungryhillhoney.com/

A guy I work with does that.

[Ethereal]

A guy I work with does that.

It's not a bad idea, especially if you're trying to grow fruits and/or vegetables. Bee pollination can substantially increase crop yields.

[Peter1469]

It's not a bad idea, especially if you're trying to grow fruits and/or vegetables. Bee pollination can substantially increase crop yields.

That is what he does. He lives out by Lorton- so his commute sucks. I live in a highrise. So no bees for me.

[Mr. Freeze]

I wanted to come back to this topic because of the price of food. If you can stomach it (and not everyone can) having a backyard guinea hog is the way to go. They are super friendly, small and can feed a family for a long winter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_Hog

These type of pigs were big in the US during the WWII era and during the Depression because they were easy keepers.

http://goldilocksfindsmanhattan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/8a8930ba260111e2969522000a1e8cb3_7-500x500.jpg


^^Looks good huh?

http://guineahogs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/where-are-they.jpg

^^Easy keeping pigs.

[Codename Section]

Do you have a picture of Bulah (sp)?

[Mr. Freeze]

Do you have a picture of Bulah (sp)?

Beulah. I can take one of her. She was on the back porch earlier for her apples but I don't know where she is now.

[jillian]

I wanted to come back to this topic because of the price of food. If you can stomach it (and not everyone can) having a backyard guinea hog is the way to go. They are super friendly, small and can feed a family for a long winter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_Hog\

^^Easy keeping pigs.

i couldn't eat an animal i know. :(

[Mr. Freeze]

i couldn't eat an animal i know. :(
jillian

I totally understand. Beulah will live out her days in her collar and sweater and never be eaten.

I saw a documentary on Smithfield and it was animal cruelty which made me a vegan vegetarian. I hate cruelty. I happened to live on a commune for a year (my parents lost their shit) and it was a shamanistic thing where the animals were well cared for and if something was killed it was prayed over and thanked. I realized that we all have a dharma, that all life has a time and place, that I am part of the food chain and if I was born a predator I could eat meat just like a lion can.

My goal is to have the animals live a happy healthy life until they check out. Then turn them into perfect bacon. :)

[jillian]

@jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719)

I totally understand. Beulah will live out her days in her collar and sweater and never be eaten.

I saw a documentary on Smithfield and it was animal cruelty which made me a vegan vegetarian. I hate cruelty. I happened to live on a commune for a year (my parents lost their shit) and it was a shamanistic thing where the animals were well cared for and if something was killed it was prayed over and thanked. I realized that we all have a dharma, that all life has a time and place, that I am part of the food chain and if I was born a predator I could eat meat just like a lion can.

My goal is to have the animals live a happy healthy life until they check out. Then turn them into perfect bacon. :)

all wonderful goals. i'm all for making sure that animals are treated as kindly as possible even if they are ultimately going to be food.

fwiw, in judaism, when an animal is killed according to jewish law, there are, indeed, prayers and thanks… though it's my understanding the thanks are to G-d and not to the animal. there is an understanding that animals be treated with respect.

i don't think you can eat an animal that dies of natural causes.

[Ethereal]

These animals would be subject to predation in the wild, so once you get past the contemporary emotional barriers, you realize that this existence is relatively quite a good one for the animals. Living peacefully on a farm until you're humanely killed is better than being stuffed in an industrial farming operation or having a cougar rip your throat out. Personally, I would just shoot the pigs at a distance, that way, they would not have to deal with the knowledge of their impending death. I've seen some videos that would suggest that animals can sense when they're being transported to their death. But maybe Freeze can provide some insight into that. Do the pigs display fear on their way to the processing? If so, would you consider a more humane method of killing them?

[Mr. Freeze]

These animals would be subject to predation in the wild, so once you get past the contemporary emotional barriers, you realize that this existence is relatively quite a good one for the animals. Living peacefully on a farm until you're humanely killed is better than being stuffed in an industrial farming operation or having a cougar rip your throat out. Personally, I would just shoot the pigs at a distance, that way, they would not have to deal with the knowledge of their impending death. I've seen some videos that would suggest that animals can sense when they're being transported to their death. But maybe Freeze can provide some insight into that. Do the pigs display fear on their way to the processing? If so, would you consider a more humane method of killing them?


I will admit that I have difficulty loading them on the truck when it comes because I have played with them and I did give them a good life. Codename did the first pigs for me as you said above and for some reason I felt better because he managed to scope them, shoot them cleanly, and not only did they not know it was coming, but none of the other pigs seemed to understand easier.

It's nice having a sniper around. Well, sort of. He's sometimes scary, too. No offense Codename Section

Had he been around this fall I would have had him do all of them that way. It's the most humane, imo.

[Mr. Freeze]

all wonderful goals. i'm all for making sure that animals are treated as kindly as possible even if they are ultimately going to be food.

fwiw, in judaism, when an animal is killed according to jewish law, there are, indeed, prayers and thanks… though it's my understanding the thanks are to G-d and not to the animal. there is an understanding that animals be treated with respect.

i don't think you can eat an animal that dies of natural causes.
jillian

my sister talks about you, so "hi". I used to live in Brooklyn, too. I lived in Greenpoint. She wanted to live in Brighton which was problematic, but anyway.

We are getting into this now:

http://www.grawoodminiaturefarm.com/images/cattle/studsire2.jpg

The steaks are a lot more tender.

[Codename Section]

I will admit that I have difficulty loading them on the truck when it comes because I have played with them and I did give them a good life. Codename did the first pigs for me as you said above and for some reason I felt better because he managed to scope them, shoot them cleanly, and not only did they not know it was coming, but none of the other pigs seemed to understand easier.

It's nice having a sniper around. Well, sort of. He's sometimes scary, too. No offense @Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866)

Had he been around this fall I would have had him do all of them that way. It's the most humane, imo.

I'll do it for you next round unless you want to ask brainy dog. He may still have some chops.

[Ethereal]

I will admit that I have difficulty loading them on the truck when it comes because I have played with them and I did give them a good life. Codename did the first pigs for me as you said above and for some reason I felt better because he managed to scope them, shoot them cleanly, and not only did they not know it was coming, but none of the other pigs seemed to understand easier.

It's nice having a sniper around. Well, sort of. He's sometimes scary, too. No offense @Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866)

Had he been around this fall I would have had him do all of them that way. It's the most humane, imo.

You could replicate those shots if you went and practiced shooting for a few days.

[Ethereal]

I'll do it for you next round unless you want to ask brainy dog. He may still have some chops.

Shooting a pig with a scoped rifle? I think I can manage it, as long as you didn't mess up the calibration with your big thumbs...

[jillian]

@jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719)

my sister talks about you, so "hi". I used to live in Brooklyn, too. I lived in Greenpoint. She wanted to live in Brighton which was problematic, but anyway.

We are getting into this now:

http://www.grawoodminiaturefarm.com/images/cattle/studsire2.jpg

The steaks are a lot more tender.

i like your sis.

i live pretty close to brighton… i've been known to stroll to brighton beach avenue. don't spend a lot of time in green point, but i know the area a little. and i know she had some issues in brighton.

i think it's great if you can do it insofar as the food is concerned… but i know i couldn't.

i've told this story on the board before… but when i was pregnant with my son we were at a friend's place in massachusetts. her husband had just bought a smoker.. and he smoked absolutely everything. the smell was making me queasy… so they ended up making me a hamburger for dinner. this friend had owned a cow named tarzan. tarzan used to follow the horses around like a puppy which was unusual for a cow. i don't know why, but at some point during dinner i asked where tarzan was since i hadn't seen the cow around.

my friend's answer was "you're eating him".

pretty much the end of my meal.

[Mr. Freeze]

You could replicate those shots if you went and practiced shooting for a few days.

I'd rather he do it. If I flinched because I "knew" the pig I would hate myself.

[shaarona]

Shooting a pig with a scoped rifle? I think I can manage it, as long as you didn't mess up the calibration with your big thumbs...

I went to a shooting party to hunt wild boar on an old rice plantation in the Carolinas.. and opted out.. Wild hogs are very dangerous..

[Codename Section]

I went to a shooting party to hunt wild boar on an old rice plantation in the Carolinas.. and opted out.. Wild hogs are very dangerous..

These are free range pigs in a huge fenced in area.

[shaarona]

These are free range pigs in a huge fenced in area.

I would suppose that is different.. but this house party was on 3,000 acres and these hogs had been feral for generations.

[Mr. Freeze]

I would suppose that is different.. but this house party was on 3,000 acres and these hogs had been feral for generations.

Yes, wild boar are not to be messed with. As for domesticated, some farmers remove their teeth but I find you don't need to if you constantly handle your livestock.

[Ethereal]

I went to a shooting party to hunt wild boar on an old rice plantation in the Carolinas.. and opted out.. Wild hogs are very dangerous..

A marine and his rifle is much more dangerous... :smiley:

[shaarona]

Yes, wild boar are not to be messed with. As for domesticated, some farmers remove their teeth but I find you don't need to if you constantly handle your livestock.

My grandfather always kept 6-10 hogs but the truth is I know little about them.

[Ethereal]

Yes, wild boar are not to be messed with.

I think they are easy pickings for good profits. You don't even need to shoot them, you can just set up traps on game trails and pick them up after the fact. As long as you have a decent ATV and a good shotgun, you don't need to worry about getting messed up by those hogs.

[shaarona]

A marine and his rifle is much more dangerous... :smiley:

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.

[Mr. Freeze]

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.
Codename Section and Ethereal will hate to hear this, but I had to call Code's friend Jeffries to shoot some wild boar who caught the scent of my gilts in their first heat cycle.

We ended up eating the wild boar over two weekends and compared it to the meat I produced and I have to say that you are what you eat. One of the boar tasted better than the others and closer to my pigs and the other one was leaner and still a good taste but different.

[shaarona]

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.

Do you know the area of Yemassee or the Ashepoo?

[Ethereal]

@Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866) and @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) will hate to hear this, but I had to call Code's friend Jeffries to shoot some wild boar who caught the scent of my gilts in their first heat cycle.

We ended up eating the wild boar over two weekends and compared it to the meat I produced and I have to say that you are what you eat. One of the boar tasted better than the others and closer to my pigs and the other one was leaner and still a good taste but different.

I'm all about hunting those boars. They only cost you a bullet and a few hours of your time. If you collect data on them, you can use it to extrapolate trends into the future and get a predictable supply.

[Mr. Freeze]

I'm all about hunting those boars. They only cost you a bullet and a few hours of your time. If you collect data on them, you can use it to extrapolate trends into the future and get a predictable supply.

Interesting. I had not thought of this. Good job, brother Ethereal.

I did think about trapping one even as a hostile breeder to bring more genetic vibrancy into my variation program and then eating it after one good litter. I've been cross breeding the GOPs with Tams for a better bacon.

[Mr. Freeze]

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.

Do you know the area of Yemassee or the Ashepoo?

No, I am unfamiliar.

[Ethereal]

Interesting. I had not thought of this. Good job, brother @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870).

I did think about trapping one even as a hostile breeder to bring more genetic vibrancy into my variation program and then eating it after one good litter. I've been cross breeding the GOPs with Tams for a better bacon.

That's a pretty good idea. You could just use your female pigs as the bait. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Mr. Freeze]

That's a pretty good idea. You could just use your female pigs as the bait. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

I am investing in 4 Pyrs, as well. I may have to steal MacDuff and get you guys a new one. He's already trained and has at his 130lb size (vet says he'll reach 170!) he fought off a pack of coyotes to save Beulah.

For those considering livestock, I highly recommend this breed of dog:

http://dims.vetstreet.com/dims3/MMAH/crop/0x0+0+0/resize/645x380/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fassets.prod.v etstreet.com%2Fff%2F3691e0a75511e0a0d50050568d634f %2Ffile%2FGreat-Pyrenees-3-645mk062411.jpg


They are good with kids, new people, and when in livestock guardian mode in a small team can take down a wolf.

[Ethereal]

None of the men who hunted were Marines.. but the cooking was excellent after the hunt.

I figure you could do pig roasts of wild boar and make good money that way. People will pay a premium for something if they feel like it's exotic.

[Mr. Freeze]

Like I said great with livestock.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfZIXZRcsBRt8unYycLoRUTdnlnuuJe PYULHs7dV8vBnlpY278

Ethereal talk her into giving me MacDuff and I'll cut you in on Magalitsas I don't have time to train another one as well. The ones I got from rescue were house dogs. :(

[Ethereal]

Like I said great with livestock.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfZIXZRcsBRt8unYycLoRUTdnlnuuJe PYULHs7dV8vBnlpY278

@Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) talk her into giving me MacDuff and I'll cut you in on Magalitsas I don't have time to train another one as well. The ones I got from rescue were house dogs. :(

you're dreaming freeze! she'll never go for that... :slap2:

[Mr. Freeze]

He'd be right next door. :(

[Peter1469]

Fort Polk is full of feral hogs and boar. They caused problems with us light infantry guys, while the mech inf guys would just button up.


I would suppose that is different.. but this house party was on 3,000 acres and these hogs had been feral for generations.

[shaarona]

I figure you could do pig roasts of wild boar and make good money that way. People will pay a premium for something if they feel like it's exotic.


I cooked a small wild hog years ago.. A friend brought it to me and I was livid.. but the same day my son announced that he was coming home from military school and bringing 5 classmates.

I slow roasted it all day with a vinegar and pepper marinade and served it with baked beans, rice and cold slaw... and a liver hash.. There wasn't a dab of food left. not so much as a rib with any meat on it.

[Mr. Freeze]

I cooked a small wild hog years ago.. A friend brought it to me and I was livid.. but the same day my son announced that he was coming home from military school and bringing 5 classmates.

I slow roasted it all day with a vinegar and pepper marinade and served it with baked beans, rice and cold slaw... and a liver hash.. There wasn't a dab of food left. not so much as a rib with any meat on it.

Mulefoots are good for a slow roast or any type of roast to be honest.

[shaarona]

Fort Polk is full of feral hogs and boar. They caused problems with us light infantry guys, while the mech inf guys would just button up.

Well I have been on a few duck hunts in my life.. but wild boar scare the willies out of me.. I am just not that quick or that brave.

[Ethereal]

I cooked a small wild hog years ago.. A friend brought it to me and I was livid.. but the same day my son announced that he was coming home from military school and bringing 5 classmates.

I slow roasted it all day with a vinegar and pepper marinade and served it with baked beans, rice and cold slaw... and a liver hash.. There wasn't a dab of food left. not so much as a rib with any meat on it.

Can you please divulge your recipe so that I can appropriate it for my own private gain?

:grin:

[Mr. Freeze]

This reminds me. I have to put wood on the smoker.

Happy New Years everyone!
5133

[shaarona]

Mulefoots are good for a slow roast or any type of roast to be honest.

You are just way ahead of me.. I have no idea what a Mulefoot might be.

[shaarona]

Can you please divulge your recipe so that I can appropriate it for my own private gain?

:grin:

Apple cider vinegar, lots of black pepper, lots of red pepper, sea salt, lots of Worstershire.. boil it for a time and bottle it for later.. Some add a jot of sugar.. I don't..

This is popular from about Orangeburg to Charleston.. and IMO its better than any sweet or mustard based BBQ sauce.

Try it and decide for yourself.

I don't care for sauces that are sweet or sticky..

[Mr. Freeze]

You are just way ahead of me.. I have no idea what a Mulefoot might be.

They are a heritage pig with hooves like a horse or mule instead of split footed. Much better for areas where they could get foot rot. Also they have great stomachs.

[undine]

I used to be a vegetarian on cruelty principles. I don't believe any creature should live its life in a cage. I tried to be a biologist before my parents destroyed my hopes and dreams and made me take accounting.

I raise my own food now, and I do it without cruelty and with much love. I realize its hard for people to understand how I can raise something and eat it, but I am an apex predator no different than a bear. I can eat berries and meat.

If I raise the pig, chicken, or cow, I can give it a good life of free range (as best as possible) and make sure it has enjoyment while it is on this earth.

I raise these guys:

http://www.gourmet.com/images/foodpolitics/2009/05/fp-good-breeding-608.jpg

GOP^

http://www.camanna.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Eleanora-KuneKune-2013.jpg

and these

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jNfNldcOSOE/UeVz5IJQKTI/AAAAAAAAAf0/WGQ4zzcQuWU/s1600/251.JPG



I'm going to branch out into other varieties this spring.
I like that you treat them well. I still couldn't eat an animal that I personally interacted with. Veggies are a different story.

[Codename Section]

Apple cider vinegar, lots of black pepper, lots of red pepper, sea salt, lots of Worstershire.. boil it for a time and bottle it for later.. Some add a jot of sugar.. I don't..

This is popular from about Orangeburg to Charleston.. and IMO its better than any sweet or mustard based BBQ sauce.

Try it and decide for yourself.

I don't care for sauces that are sweet or sticky..

shaarona


This is Carolina Style, right? I hate to be a dick, but can you post a recipe?

[shaarona]

@shaarona (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=434)


This is Carolina Style, right? I hate to be a dick, but can you post a recipe?


SC has its share of sweet and sticky BBque sauces, but in my family we do vinegar and pepper.

http://www.discoversouthcarolina.com/see-do/food/flavors/maincourses/barbeque/default.aspx

[Mr. Freeze]

SC has its share of sweet and sticky BBque sauces, but in my family we do vinegar and pepper.

http://www.discoversouthcarolina.com/see-do/food/flavors/maincourses/barbeque/default.aspx

I boil the carcass in white vinegar, brown sugar, and red and black pepper and then I put it on the smoker. For the sauce I mix dry mustard, vinegar, brown sugar, red and black, pepper, garlic, and onion powder.

Turns out pretty good.

[Max Rockatansky]

None. Think of the dispute between assault rifles and hunting rifles and you have your answer. These are "foraging" pigs, ie free range. Laws that regulate pigs or prevent feral populations kick in.

The thing that people don't realize is that all pigs are foragers.

I've gotten all the paperwork filled out and sent in. Should be able to get them in the spring. It is the best bacon in the world.

Feral pigs are becoming a huge problem in the US as mentioned in another thread. People who let their pigs go free range often lose a couple because pigs are intelligent foragers. Fences and other barriers are constantly being tested and bested.

Many states are passing laws preventing the intentional release of pigs.

[Mr. Freeze]

Feral pigs are becoming a huge problem in the US as mentioned in another thread. People who let their pigs go free range often lose a couple because pigs are intelligent foragers. Fences and other barriers are constantly being tested and bested.

Many states are passing laws preventing the intentional release of pigs.

Free range pigs aren't "free". They are contained in fencing, just they have open-acreage as opposed to small quarters.

[Max Rockatansky]

Free range pigs aren't "free". They are contained in fencing, just they have open-acreage as opposed to small quarters.

Understood. I'm just saying that several states are looking at the stats.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12145_55230---,00.html



• State enters next phase in protecting environment, farms from invasive swine (http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12145_55230-275276--,00.html)On April 1, 2012, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources began active enforcement of an Invasive Species Order declaring certain types of swine illegal in Michigan. As part of that effort on Tuesday, April 3 the department's Law Enforcement Division conducted inspections of six properties that in the past may have had prohibited swine. The inspections were conducted with permission of the landowners. Each of the properties was found to be free of prohibited swine and therefore in compliance with the Invasive Species Order.



• DNR Order Listing Sporting Swine as Invasive Species Takes Effect (http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12145_55230-263850--,00.html)A Department of Natural Resources director's order listing sporting swine as an invasive species took effect on Oct. 8, 2011, making it illegal to possess the animals in Michigan.





http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/nuisance/feral_hogs/

Should I stock feral hogs?No, feral hogs are prolific breeders and can cause considerable damage. They can destroy habitat, and compete directly or indirectly with all other species of wildlife. While many hunters might like hogs as part of the lease, the adverse effects often counter any potential economic incentives. TPWD considers feral hogs nuisance animals and does not support the introduction of feral hogs. Feral hogs are considered an under-utilized resource on many Texas ranges.
The Texas Animal Health Commission has enacted regulations requiring all feral hogs in Texas to be tested and certified to be disease free before being released into the wild for whatever purposes. They may however, be legally transported to slaughter or livestock sale for slaughter. If stocking is desired, only castrated males (barrows) should be considered. Because they cannot reproduce, they will grow larger, fatter and often produce larger tusks.

[Mr. Freeze]

Understood. I'm just saying that several states are looking at the stats.

Naturally, government will over-regulate because some people were too poor to feed their pigs and turned them loose.

[Max Rockatansky]

Naturally, government will over-regulate because some people were too poor to feed their pigs and turned them loose.

If they are hungry, why don't they just eat the pig? That's what I do.

From what I've read, the problem isn't people turning them loose because they can't feed them but the pigs escaping in search of food.

[Mr. Freeze]

If they are hungry, why don't they just eat the pig? That's what I do.

From what I've read, the problem isn't people turning them loose because they can't feed them but the pigs escaping in search of food.

Pigs love grubs, fungus, and roots. Given ample space they won't leave it. Their feces attracts the very things they will eat.

[Max Rockatansky]

Pigs love grubs, fungus, and roots. Given ample space they won't leave it. Their feces attracts the very things they will eat.
Given ample food, I agree with you. While I'm sure you area responsible hog farmer, can you guarantee all will be? That some won't overcrowd their hogs and cut back on fence-fixing to save costs and improve profits?

Laws aren't written for responsible people. They're written for irresponsible people.

[Mr. Freeze]

Given ample food, I agree with you. While I'm sure you area responsible hog farmer, can you guarantee all will be? That some won't overcrowd their hogs and cut back on fence-fixing to save costs and improve profits?

Laws aren't written for responsible people. They're written for irresponsible people.

I cannot disagree more. Irresponsible people barely know there are laws on these things much less follow them. Laws are there for revenue collection and to have a frame of reference to apply punishment afterwards.

If people felt free to counsel others instead of punishing them they'd get much farther.

[Max Rockatansky]

I cannot disagree more. Irresponsible people barely know there are laws on these things much less follow them.

Which is why dumbasses end up in jail for DUI. It's not that they pay attention to those laws, it's so they can legally be prosecuted and, if necessary, incarcerated.

[Mr. Freeze]

Which is why dumbasses end up in jail for DUI. It's not that they pay attention to those laws, it's so they can legally be prosecuted and, if necessary, incarcerated.

People end up in jail either through mistake or ignorance. Either way smart criminals and educated noncriminals tend to do just fine.

Driving while intoxicated is much easier to detect than people breaking regulations on private property. Drunk drivers are in the public space. While feral hogs are certainly a problem insofar as destroying property, they are not the problem that say a Meth lab is or even fracking.

They are simple a creature introduced to a new areas sans predation, what will happen over time is that Nature will absorb this creature usually through the attraction of larger predators. It's not as if giant reptiles are overtaking your region. A tasty pest is doing so.

It's tastiness will encourage hunting and the problem is easily solved by desire.

[Max Rockatansky]

Driving while intoxicated is much easier to detect than people breaking regulations on private property. Drunk drivers are in the public space. While feral hogs are certainly a problem insofar as destroying property, they are not the problem that say a Meth lab is or even fracking.

Nice straw man! Yessir, you are correct. Feral hogs aren't a bad as meth labs, illegal immigrants, counterfeit money, rape, murder. Heck, feral hogs aren't as bad as a lot of things. They taste good too!

Why is it I get the feeling the messenger is being shot here?

http://www.animationmagazine.net/images/articles/shoot_messenger_150.gif

[Mr. Freeze]

Nice straw man! Yessir, you are correct. Feral hogs aren't a bad as meth labs, illegal immigrants, counterfeit money, rape, murder. Heck, feral hogs aren't as bad as a lot of things. They taste good too!

Why is it I get the feeling the messenger is being shot here?



I don't really know. This thread is about raising pigs in a humane environment, not conjecturing about why some people turned their pigs loose or what will solve the feral pig problem.