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roadmaster
01-22-2014, 02:43 PM
The 'Abigail-Caracoa' - Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob CrownIsaac Levy and Nathan Simpson The'Nassau' - Moses Levy The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John AbramsThe 'Prudent Betty' - Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix The 'Four Sisters' - Moses Levy The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John Abrams The 'Hester' - Mordecai and David Gomez The 'Elizabeth' - Mordecai and David Gomez The 'Antigua' - Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell The 'Betsy' - Wm. De Woolf The 'Polly' - James De Woolf The 'White Horse' - Jan de Sweevts The 'Expedition' - John and Jacob Roosevelt The 'Charlotte' - Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks The 'Franks' - Moses and Sam Levy
(Black Literary Awards, 1994) ISBN 0-912469-30-7.:wink: He also writes about the rules of Jewish slavery.

jillian
01-22-2014, 02:46 PM
linky poo?

Green Arrow
01-22-2014, 02:49 PM
Haym Solomon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Solomon)


Haym Solomon (or Salomon) (April 7, 1740 – January 6, 1785) was a Jew who immigrated to New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) from Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland) during the period of theAmerican Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution). He was a broker and helped convert the French loans into ready cash by selling bills of exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bills_of_exchange) for Robert Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_(financier)), the Superintendent of Finance. In this way he aided the Continental Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Army) during the American Revolutionary War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War) against Great Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain).

The Revolutionary War required all the pieces of the American puzzle in order to work. If a single one of those pieces were missing, the Revolution would have failed. Haym Solomon was extremely necessary for the success of the revolution.

jillian
01-22-2014, 02:51 PM
that isn't where her link came from.

her link came from "jewwatch"

now for reality:


It is currently known that American mainland colonial Jews played a merely proportionate role in the importation of slaves from Africa and a marginal role as slave sellers, although their involvement in the Brazilian and Caribbean trade is believed to be considerably more significant.[10] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-ColumbiaHistory-10) Jason H. Silverman, a historian of slavery, describes the part of Jews in slave trading in the southern United states as "minuscule", and writes that the historical rise and fall of slavery in the United States would not have been affected at all had there been no Jews living in the American South.[11] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Rodriguez.2C_p_385-11) Jews accounted for 1.25% of all Southern slave owners, and were not significantly different from other slave owners in their treatment of slaves.[11] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Rodriguez.2C_p_385-11)]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade

The Xl
01-22-2014, 02:51 PM
Every group seems to have had their hand in slavery.

But what do these things accomplish? To demonize individuals and groups for the sins of a few?

Green Arrow
01-22-2014, 02:54 PM
that isn't where her link came from.

her link came from "jewwatch"

now for reality:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade[/SUP]

I know. I'm not trying to support her argument, I'm counteracting it. The point of her argument is "teh ebil j00z," so I'm injecting some sense here.

jillian
01-22-2014, 02:57 PM
I know. I'm not trying to support her argument, I'm counteracting it. The point of her argument is "teh ebil j00z," so I'm injecting some sense here.

i know. i just choose not to justify anything she says.

proving where she gets her material .... and having her out herself on one jew-hate thread after another is the awesome.

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 02:59 PM
Isaac Delyon, a prominent memeber of the Jewish community of Charleston, placed this advertisement in the South-Carolina and American General Gazette, on January 19, 1780:

Five Hundred Dollars Reward RUN away some time past, from the subscriber, a negro boy, named Harry, about 17 years of age, about 5 feet 7 inches high, round visage, had on when he went away, a Bath coating close bodied coat, leather breeches, green cloth Jacket and breeches; he is a very likely country born fellow, and speaks good English. The above reward will be paid on his being delivered to the Warden of the Work house, or to me in Charlestown; and One Thousand Pounds on conviction of any white person harbouring him. The said fellow formerly belonged to Boone's estate on John's Island, and has been seen by negroes lurking about said plantation.

undine
01-22-2014, 03:02 PM
that isn't where her link came from.

her link came from "jewwatch"

now for reality:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade[/SUP]

LOL! She's trying to make slavery in America a vast Jewish conspiracy and it turns out instead it wasn't because these people were Jewish that they were slave traders but it was because they were Southern.

:laugh:

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 03:08 PM
LOL! She's trying to make slavery in America a vast Jewish conspiracy and it turns out instead it wasn't because these people were Jewish that they were slave traders but it was because they were Southern.

:laugh: Actually it was part of the Jewish Heritage in Europe and I am sure they got the link from the book. Jewish people don't like to admit anything and if you prove them wrong they call names. What's wrong can't sensor every site.

undine
01-22-2014, 03:11 PM
actually it was part of the jewish heritage in europe and i am sure they got the link from the book. Jewish people don't like to admit anything and if you prove them wrong they call names. What's wrong can't sensor every site.
jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!!!!!

Green Arrow
01-22-2014, 03:12 PM
Actually it was part of the Jewish Heritage in Europe and I am sure they got the link from the book. Jewish people don't like to admit anything and if you prove them wrong they call names. What's wrong can't sensor every site.

Kinda like how any time someone tries to get you to admit to the crimes of Christian groups over the centuries, you call names and throw a hissy fit?

Mister D
01-22-2014, 03:15 PM
Actually, Jews did play a significant role (relative to their absolute numbers) in the New World slave trade. For example, Wiki goes on to say...


The New World location where the Jews played the largest role in the slave-trade was in the Caribbean and Suriname (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Suriname), most notably in possessions of Holland, that were serviced by the Dutch West India Company (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Dutch_West_India_Company).[39] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Drescher_p_455-39) The slave trade was one of the most important occupations of Jews living in Suriname and the Caribbean.[42] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-42) The Jews of Suriname were the largest slave-holders in the region.[43] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Roth.2C_p_292-43)
The only places where Jews came close to dominating the New World plantation systems were Curaçao and Suriname.[44] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-44) Slave auctions in the Dutch colonies were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday.[45] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45) Jewish merchants in the Dutch colonies acted as middlemen, buying slaves from the Dutch West India Company, and reselling them to plantation owners.[46] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-46) The majority of buyers at slave auctions in the Brazil and the Dutch colonies were Jews.[47] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-47) Jews allegedly played a "major role" in the slave trade in Barbados[45] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45)[48] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-48) and Jamaica,[45] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45) and Jewish plantation owners in Suriname helped suppress several slave revolts between 1690 to 1722.[43] (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#cite_note-Roth.2C_p_292-43)

Slavery in American south represented a small fraction of the overall trade. It was the sugar colonies of the Caribbean and Brazil that used the most slaves.

jillian
01-22-2014, 03:15 PM
Kinda like how any time someone tries to get you to admit to the crimes of Christian groups over the centuries, you call names and throw a hissy fit?

i think the pogroms were all her fault....

and the spanish inquisition.....

and the holocaust.....

and the attacks on muslims during the crusades....

they were done by christians, right?

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 03:16 PM
Kinda like how any time someone tries to get you to admit to the crimes of Christian groups over the centuries, you call names and throw a hissy fit? No Christians were and did own slaves. 1% of the south did including Africans. I would never claim they were not involved. Just like I wouldn't claim they didn't fight for Hitler and some were killed by him in these camps.

Alyosha
01-22-2014, 03:19 PM
The 'Abigail-Caracoa' - Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob CrownIsaac Levy and Nathan Simpson The'Nassau' - Moses Levy The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John AbramsThe 'Prudent Betty' - Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix The 'Four Sisters' - Moses Levy The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John Abrams The 'Hester' - Mordecai and David Gomez The 'Elizabeth' - Mordecai and David Gomez The 'Antigua' - Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell The 'Betsy' - Wm. De Woolf The 'Polly' - James De Woolf The 'White Horse' - Jan de Sweevts The 'Expedition' - John and Jacob Roosevelt The 'Charlotte' - Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks The 'Franks' - Moses and Sam Levy
(Black Literary Awards, 1994) ISBN 0-912469-30-7.:wink: He also writes about the rules of Jewish slavery.


Yes, plenty of Jews, gentiles, and Muslims in the slave trade. It was a different era. Women also couldn't vote then, people were pooping in pots, and believed in witches.

It is hard to judge people with the hindsight of history and modern mores.

Green Arrow
01-22-2014, 03:19 PM
i think the pogroms were all her fault....

and the spanish inquisition.....

and the holocaust.....

and the attacks on muslims during the crusades....

they were done by christians, right?

No, no, because the Holocaust didn't happen, remember?

jillian
01-22-2014, 03:22 PM
Yes, plenty of Jews, gentiles, and Muslims in the slave trade. It was a different era. Women also couldn't vote then, people were pooping in pots, and believed in witches.

It is hard to judge people with the hindsight of history and modern mores.

i think most people have done things that were imperfect.

yet she seems to spend a lot of time obsessing about jews, doesn't she?

i don't see many people spending much time posting links to the inquisition.

Alyosha
01-22-2014, 03:22 PM
jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!!!!!

Ravi,

if you're really not trying to tip your "hat" you might want to pretend you don't know roadmaster and not use ravi-isms.

Seriously, you seem angry.

Alyosha
01-22-2014, 03:23 PM
i think most people have done things that were imperfect.

yet she seems to spend a lot of time obsessing about jews, doesn't she?

i don't see many people spending much time posting links to the inquisition.

Nobody every expects the Spanish Inquisitoin.

jillian
01-22-2014, 03:25 PM
Nobody every expects the Spanish Inquisitoin.

heh... one of my favorite things ever...

Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion.Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness.Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy.Let's face it,you can't Torquemada anything!

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 03:25 PM
Yes, plenty of Jews, gentiles, and Muslims in the slave trade. It was a different era. Women also couldn't vote then, people were pooping in pots, and believed in witches.

It is hard to judge people with the hindsight of history and modern mores. I agree but the Jews always blame and point fingers at everyone else and never accept their role in this. This is what fuels hate from the nationalist. Crying everyone is against them doesn't work anymore. Everyone has admitted their part except them. Do you think they are bring hate on themselves.

Alyosha
01-22-2014, 03:27 PM
I agree but the Jews always blame and point fingers at everyone else and never accept their role in this. This is what fuels hate from the nationalist. Crying everyone is against them doesn't work anymore. Everyone has admitted their part except them. Do you think they are bring hate on themselves.


Ok. Pick an incident that "Jews" were involved in and I can probably explain it logically. I can do this with other groups, too.

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 03:46 PM
Ok. Pick an incident that "Jews" were involved in and I can probably explain it logically. I can do this with other groups, too.The majority of buyers at slave auctions in the Brazil and the Dutch colonies were Jews.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-47) Jews allegedly played a "major role" in the slave trade in Barbados[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45)[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-48) and Jamaica,[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45) and Jewish plantation owners in Suriname helped suppress several slave revolts between 1690 to 1722.[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Roth.2C_p_292-43)

Everyone here loves that site in which I don't. Wiki to me is controlled. But we all know Jews were in the slave trade. Anytime slaves are brought up they point to the white southerners which we don't deny it was here. The biggest argument with the black nationalist is that the Jews refuse to admit they owned or was in the slave trade. They also know many in Israel are refusing to accept a big group of black Jews and are saying the ones in Israel are not the correct decedents. This is not my war but I can see why they are upset.

Alyosha
01-22-2014, 04:03 PM
The majority of buyers at slave auctions in the Brazil and the Dutch colonies were Jews.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-47) Jews allegedly played a "major role" in the slave trade in Barbados[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45)[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-48) and Jamaica,[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Raphael.2C_p_14-45) and Jewish plantation owners in Suriname helped suppress several slave revolts between 1690 to 1722.[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#cite_note-Roth.2C_p_292-43)

Everyone here loves that site in which I don't. Wiki to me is controlled. But we all know Jews were in the slave trade. Anytime slaves are brought up they point to the white southerners which we don't deny it was here. The biggest argument with the black nationalist is that the Jews refuse to admit they owned or was in the slave trade. They also know many in Israel are refusing to accept a big group of black Jews and are saying the ones in Israel are not the correct decedents. This is not my war but I can see why they are upset.


So you're saying that you agree with the black nationalists? Don't get me wrong some of them have good arguments.

roadmaster
01-22-2014, 09:00 PM
So you're saying that you agree with the black nationalists? Don't get me wrong some of them have good arguments. I should not be asked to pick sides. History says and it is clear Jews were in the slave trade. So yes they should acknowledge this. Now which ones are suppose to migrate back to Israel that the Bible talks about, as a sign, I don't have a clue. Wasn't born back then.

shaarona
01-27-2014, 02:40 PM
LOL! She's trying to make slavery in America a vast Jewish conspiracy and it turns out instead it wasn't because these people were Jewish that they were slave traders but it was because they were Southern.

:laugh:

There weren't many Jewish planters in the South..

But for the history of the Slave trade start with the "Sugar Jews" of Recif, Brazil.

shaarona
01-27-2014, 03:21 PM
I agree but the Jews always blame and point fingers at everyone else and never accept their role in this. This is what fuels hate from the nationalist. Crying everyone is against them doesn't work anymore. Everyone has admitted their part except them. Do you think they are bring hate on themselves.

Look for an online site called colonies and plantations.

Max Rockatansky
01-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Here's another list of "dirty Jew" slave ships and their Jew captains! I'm guessing most of these are the "Southern" Jews.

http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/database/search.faces


1189
Tâmega
Picão, Antônio Rodrigues
Aguiar, Manoel de
1829
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1190
S José Grande
Lima, Manoel Gonçalves

1830
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1191
Maria
Alves, Sebastião

1828
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1192

Fernandes, A J V

1830
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1193
Asturiana
Dordal, José
Julia, José
1830

Cuba


1194
Andromaca
Gonzalez, R

1830

Cuba


1195
Barbarita
Felin, S
Felin, Salvador
1830

Cuba


1196
Amistad Habanera
Arrarte, Juan Bautista

1830

Cuba


1197
Segunda Teresa
Gil, Manuel

1830

Cuba


1198
Urania (a) Cristina
Pardo, José Benito

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1199
Veloz
Zaraza, Francisco Antonio

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1200
Joven Maria
Arauco, Juan
Carvajal, Ant Maria de
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1201
Semiramis
Manerze, Juan Bautista

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1202
Urraca
Castro, Domingos de

1831

Cuba


1203
Almirante
Zavala, Juan Bautista

1831
Bight of Benin
Cuba


1204
San Pedro (Marinero)
Villar, Geronimo

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1205
Prueba
Ferreira, Antônio

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1206
Vizcaina
Balandra, José

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1207
Indagadora
Ximenes, Angel

1831

Cuba


1208
Pantica
Cuero, Francisco
Manegat, Pedro
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1209
Manuelita
Ferry, José

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1210
Tres Manuelos
Laguna, Victoriano

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1211
Ninfa
Ballesteros, Vicente

1831

Cuba


1212
Negrito
Azpeitia, Francisco

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1213
Rosa
Fonseca, José Antônio da
Chaves, Antonio dos Santos
1831
Senegambia and offshore Atlantic
Bahamas


1214
Segunda Tentativa
Nosedal, Ramon

1831

Cuba


1215
Segunda Gallega
Ortiz, Leandro
Luna, Jozé
1831

Cuba


1216
Urraca
Sagreros, Juan

1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1217
Urania (a) Christina
Arrarte, Juan Bautista

1831
Bight of Benin
Cuba

undine
01-27-2014, 03:53 PM
Here's another list of "dirty Jew" slave ships and their Jew captains! I'm guessing most of these are the "Southern" Jews.

http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/database/search.faces


1189
Tâmega
Picão, Antônio Rodrigues
Aguiar, Manoel de
1829
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1190
S José Grande
Lima, Manoel Gonçalves
1830
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1191
Maria
Alves, Sebastião
1828
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1192

Fernandes, A J V
1830
West Central Africa and St. Helena
Amazonia


1193
Asturiana
Dordal, José
Julia, José
1830

Cuba


1194
Andromaca
Gonzalez, R
1830

Cuba


1195
Barbarita
Felin, S
Felin, Salvador
1830

Cuba


1196
Amistad Habanera
Arrarte, Juan Bautista
1830

Cuba


1197
Segunda Teresa
Gil, Manuel
1830

Cuba


1198
Urania (a) Cristina
Pardo, José Benito
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1199
Veloz
Zaraza, Francisco Antonio
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1200
Joven Maria
Arauco, Juan
Carvajal, Ant Maria de
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1201
Semiramis
Manerze, Juan Bautista
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1202
Urraca
Castro, Domingos de
1831

Cuba


1203
Almirante
Zavala, Juan Bautista
1831
Bight of Benin
Cuba


1204
San Pedro (Marinero)
Villar, Geronimo
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1205
Prueba
Ferreira, Antônio
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1206
Vizcaina
Balandra, José
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1207
Indagadora
Ximenes, Angel
1831

Cuba


1208
Pantica
Cuero, Francisco
Manegat, Pedro
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1209
Manuelita
Ferry, José
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1210
Tres Manuelos
Laguna, Victoriano
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1211
Ninfa
Ballesteros, Vicente
1831

Cuba


1212
Negrito
Azpeitia, Francisco
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1213
Rosa
Fonseca, José Antônio da
Chaves, Antonio dos Santos
1831
Senegambia and offshore Atlantic
Bahamas


1214
Segunda Tentativa
Nosedal, Ramon
1831

Cuba


1215
Segunda Gallega
Ortiz, Leandro
Luna, Jozé
1831

Cuba


1216
Urraca
Sagreros, Juan
1831
Bight of Biafra and Gulf of Guinea islands
Cuba


1217
Urania (a) Christina
Arrarte, Juan Bautista
1831
Bight of Benin
Cuba




Wow! Showing 1-200 out of 34946

Mister D
01-27-2014, 04:05 PM
Guys, you really wouldn't know who was Jewish and who wasn't. As far as I know, some conversos would change their names.

Max Rockatansky
01-27-2014, 04:39 PM
Wow! Showing 1-200 out of 34946

Yup! That's a lot of Jews!

Codename Section
01-27-2014, 06:08 PM
There weren't many Jewish planters in the South..
.

There weren't that many plantations of the Gone with the Wind type in the South. The few controlled the many just like now.

shaarona
01-27-2014, 06:18 PM
There weren't that many plantations of the Gone with the Wind type in the South. The few controlled the many just like now.

If you like history, you might enjoy Colonies and Plantations..


There are also the Dutch archives re: ships manifests and who owned what... what they were hauling.

undine
01-27-2014, 06:19 PM
There weren't many Jewish planters in the South..

But for the history of the Slave trade start with the "Sugar Jews" of Recif, Brazil.Right, and there weren't that many Jewish slave ship owners comparatively speaking. I hope you aren't one of those people that blame the Jews for all the woes of the world.

shaarona
01-30-2014, 01:10 AM
Right, and there weren't that many Jewish slave ship owners comparatively speaking. I hope you aren't one of those people that blame the Jews for all the woes of the world.

Can you read what I wrote?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4465456?uid=3739616&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103319027351

shaarona
01-30-2014, 01:23 AM
Jewish Community of RecifePrint (javascript:print();) Jews arrived in Recife after the year 1500, when the Portuguese landed at what is now Brazil. Recife, capital of the State of Pernambuco in northeastern Brazil, became a prosperous center for sugar production in the 16th and 17th centuries. Part of Recife's population consisted of New Christians (Jewish converts to Christianity).

snip


Most Jews of Recife during this period were of Sephardic origin. The society they came to live in was similar to the society they came from in terms of style and language.



The Jews of Recife at this time were active as financiers, brokers, sugar exporters and suppliers of African slaves. Their congregation, Tzur Israel, maintained a synagogue, the religious schools Talmud Torah and Etz Chayim, and a cemetery.



In 1645, the Portuguese, joined by Brazilian sympathizers, started a guerilla war that led to the defeat of the Dutch and the reconquest of northeastern Brazil. It remained under Portuguese rule until the independence of Brazil in 1822. After 1654, the Jewish community disintegrated and those who had openly professed their Judaism now fell victim to the Inquisition. Most of the Recife Jews left Brazil together with the Dutch. These emigrants developed the sugar industry of the Dutch Antilles. After many difficulties, twenty-three of these emigrants arrived in New Amsterdam, where they founded the first Jewish community of what later became the town of New York.

http://www.bh.org.il/database-article.aspx?48714

Max Rockatansky
01-30-2014, 08:07 AM
Can you read what I wrote?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4465456?uid=3739616&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103319027351"São Tomé harbored convicts and exiled Jews who had refused to recant their Judaism"


São Tomé was an uninhabited island off the coast of Africa's Congo:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Location_São_Tomé_and_Príncipe_AU_Africa.svg/250px-Location_São_Tomé_and_Príncipe_AU_Africa.svg.png

shaarona
01-30-2014, 08:10 AM
"São Tomé harbored convicts and exiled Jews who had refused to recant their Judaism"


São Tomé was an uninhabited island off the coast of Africa's Congo:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Location_São_Tomé_and_Príncipe_AU_Africa.svg/250px-Location_São_Tomé_and_Príncipe_AU_Africa.svg.png

Wasn't it controlled by the Portuguese?

Max Rockatansky
01-30-2014, 08:25 AM
Wasn't it controlled by the Portuguese?

Yes. Weren't the Jews exiled there for not recanting their religion?

shaarona
01-30-2014, 08:36 AM
Yes. Weren't the Jews exiled there for not recanting their religion?

I have read a lot over the years about the Sugar Jews who left Amsterdam around 1500 for the New World... and their progress.. How they were involved in Sugar Factories, distilleries.. How they spread throughout the Caribbean and to New Amsterdam... I have ties to Charleston so I have read about the fortunes that were made in Newport, Philadelphia, Charleston and Savannah from the slave ships and the slave trade.

Its a remarkable and well-documented history.

I think they were in São Tomé by 1495 or so.

Akula
04-07-2014, 10:04 AM
i think the pogroms were all her fault....

and the spanish inquisition.....

and the holocaust.....

and the attacks on muslims during the crusades....

they were done by christians, right?

Look up "Lev Bronstein" and the 1917 russian revolution.

Estimates are over 20 million killed by jewish led extremists in the russian government.

twenty. million.