Germanicus
01-25-2014, 01:13 AM
The biggest argument against gay marriage is how people bring up the church and claim that marriage is some sacred thing between a man and a woman. And then you think about how god hates gay people and all that stuff.
Well. Our idea of marriage comes from Romans. Before the church. Roman law did not recognise marriage between a man and a man but the fact that Rome gave us our idea of marriage means that all the religous stuff about marriage being between a man and woman should be ignored. The church did not invent marriage. These anti-gay marriage people should have to say that marriage is between a man and a woman because Romans said so.
And its not like the Romans didnt have weddings between men and men. Nero had two that he was the groom in. And maybe one where he was the bride.
So is Nero the first gay guy to have a wedding?
The Romans had no problem with gay people. They liked them almost as much as the Greeks really.
Under Christian rule
Attitudes toward same-sex behavior changed as Christianity became more prominent in the Empire. The modern perception of Roman sexual decadence can be traced to early Christian polemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_polemic).[192] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-192) Apart from measures to protect the liberty of citizens, the prosecution of homosexual acts as a general crime began in the 3rd century of the Christian era when male prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution) was banned by Philip the Arab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_the_Arab). A series of laws regulating homosexual acts were promulgated during the social crisis of the 3rd century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century), from the statutory rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape) of minors to gay marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage).[193] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-193)
By the end of the 4th century, passive homosexual acts under the Christian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity) were punishable by burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_burning).[194] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-194) "Death by sword" was the punishment for a "man coupling like a woman" under the Theodosian Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosian_Code).[195] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-195) It can be argued, however, that legislation under Christian rule was an extension of traditional Roman views on appropriate gender roles, and not an abrupt shift based on Christian theology. It is in the 6th century, under Justinian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian), that legal and moral discourse on homosexuality becomes distinctly Christian:[196] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-196) all same-sex acts, passive or active, no matter who the partners, were declared contrary to nature and punishable by death.[197] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-197) Homosexual behaviors were pointed to as causes for God's wrath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_retribution) following a series of disasters around 542 and 559
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
Everyone cries for the witches but what about the homosexuals?
Plus the west is not the entire world and much of the world has been even more progressive than the Greeks and Romans.
Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Homosexuality.2C_Erik_Holland_page_334-9)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Homosexuality.2C_Erik_Holland_page_334-9) The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_before_the_law) the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-10)
In the southern Chinese province of Fujian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian), through the Ming dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_dynasty) period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Neill-11) Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-12)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
It is the church that has encouraged hate against gays. Christian relgion. Before christians people were not so hysterical about people being gay for the most part.
Anyway, the church should be taken out of the gay marriage debate right? They did not invent marriage and they also do not own the world. And that is for sure.
What do you think?
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And hey. Nero first gay marriage. Was Elagabalus the first transexual western leader? The first drag queen type? He had a gay wedding too. And he really wanted his own vagina too.
The Augustan History claims that he also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, in a public ceremony at Rome.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus#cite_note-autogenerated1-40) Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plucking_(hair_removal)) his hair and wear wigs before prostituting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution) himself in taverns, brothels,[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus#cite_note-41) and even in the imperial palace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus
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PostScript- Did Nero and Elagabalus have vagina envy? (: Is that a thing?
PostpostScript- hey it is a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy
(:
And we know what Nero did to his mothers womb.
In Feminist psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_psychology) the terms womb envy and vagina envy denote the unexpressed anxiety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety) that some men feel in natural envy of the biological functions of women (pregnancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy), parturition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parturition), breast feeding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_feeding)) — emotions which impel their social (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_role) subordination of women, and to drive themselves to succeed in perpetuating their names via material legacies.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy#cite_note-Horney_1967-1) Each term is analogous to the concept of female penis envy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy), derived from the theory of psychosexual development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosexual_development), presented in Freudian psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology); they address the gender role (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role) social dynamics underlying the “envy and fascination with the female breasts and lactation, with pregnancy and childbearing, and vagina envy [that] are clues to a femininity complex of men, which is defended against by psychological and sociocultural means”
That is very feminist thinking. Who wants to be able to grow a baby inside their belly? No thanks. But I wouldnt mind experiencing a female orgasm. (: Like sometimes gilrs look like they are having an epileptic fit when they have an orgasm you know. Im sure sex is better for females somehow. That is the only reason I would envy a female. For the sensative genitals. And the orgasms.
Vagina envy. You learn something new every day they say.
Well. Our idea of marriage comes from Romans. Before the church. Roman law did not recognise marriage between a man and a man but the fact that Rome gave us our idea of marriage means that all the religous stuff about marriage being between a man and woman should be ignored. The church did not invent marriage. These anti-gay marriage people should have to say that marriage is between a man and a woman because Romans said so.
And its not like the Romans didnt have weddings between men and men. Nero had two that he was the groom in. And maybe one where he was the bride.
So is Nero the first gay guy to have a wedding?
The Romans had no problem with gay people. They liked them almost as much as the Greeks really.
Under Christian rule
Attitudes toward same-sex behavior changed as Christianity became more prominent in the Empire. The modern perception of Roman sexual decadence can be traced to early Christian polemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_polemic).[192] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-192) Apart from measures to protect the liberty of citizens, the prosecution of homosexual acts as a general crime began in the 3rd century of the Christian era when male prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution) was banned by Philip the Arab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_the_Arab). A series of laws regulating homosexual acts were promulgated during the social crisis of the 3rd century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century), from the statutory rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape) of minors to gay marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage).[193] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-193)
By the end of the 4th century, passive homosexual acts under the Christian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity) were punishable by burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_burning).[194] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-194) "Death by sword" was the punishment for a "man coupling like a woman" under the Theodosian Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosian_Code).[195] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-195) It can be argued, however, that legislation under Christian rule was an extension of traditional Roman views on appropriate gender roles, and not an abrupt shift based on Christian theology. It is in the 6th century, under Justinian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian), that legal and moral discourse on homosexuality becomes distinctly Christian:[196] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-196) all same-sex acts, passive or active, no matter who the partners, were declared contrary to nature and punishable by death.[197] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-197) Homosexual behaviors were pointed to as causes for God's wrath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_retribution) following a series of disasters around 542 and 559
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
Everyone cries for the witches but what about the homosexuals?
Plus the west is not the entire world and much of the world has been even more progressive than the Greeks and Romans.
Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Homosexuality.2C_Erik_Holland_page_334-9)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Homosexuality.2C_Erik_Holland_page_334-9) The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_before_the_law) the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-10)
In the southern Chinese province of Fujian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian), through the Ming dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_dynasty) period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-Neill-11) Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions#cite_note-12)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
It is the church that has encouraged hate against gays. Christian relgion. Before christians people were not so hysterical about people being gay for the most part.
Anyway, the church should be taken out of the gay marriage debate right? They did not invent marriage and they also do not own the world. And that is for sure.
What do you think?
5560
5561
And hey. Nero first gay marriage. Was Elagabalus the first transexual western leader? The first drag queen type? He had a gay wedding too. And he really wanted his own vagina too.
The Augustan History claims that he also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, in a public ceremony at Rome.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus#cite_note-autogenerated1-40) Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plucking_(hair_removal)) his hair and wear wigs before prostituting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution) himself in taverns, brothels,[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus#cite_note-41) and even in the imperial palace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus
5562
PostScript- Did Nero and Elagabalus have vagina envy? (: Is that a thing?
PostpostScript- hey it is a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy
(:
And we know what Nero did to his mothers womb.
In Feminist psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_psychology) the terms womb envy and vagina envy denote the unexpressed anxiety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety) that some men feel in natural envy of the biological functions of women (pregnancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy), parturition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parturition), breast feeding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_feeding)) — emotions which impel their social (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_role) subordination of women, and to drive themselves to succeed in perpetuating their names via material legacies.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy#cite_note-Horney_1967-1) Each term is analogous to the concept of female penis envy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy), derived from the theory of psychosexual development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosexual_development), presented in Freudian psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology); they address the gender role (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role) social dynamics underlying the “envy and fascination with the female breasts and lactation, with pregnancy and childbearing, and vagina envy [that] are clues to a femininity complex of men, which is defended against by psychological and sociocultural means”
That is very feminist thinking. Who wants to be able to grow a baby inside their belly? No thanks. But I wouldnt mind experiencing a female orgasm. (: Like sometimes gilrs look like they are having an epileptic fit when they have an orgasm you know. Im sure sex is better for females somehow. That is the only reason I would envy a female. For the sensative genitals. And the orgasms.
Vagina envy. You learn something new every day they say.