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Gerrard Winstanley
03-02-2014, 07:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJjxOqgANM

Why does Turkey get a free pass on denying genocide, anyhow ... ?

http://cemertur.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/nato-bases-in-turkey.jpg

Peter1469
03-02-2014, 08:22 AM
Because Turkey is an important US ally in a strategic location.

Max Rockatansky
03-02-2014, 08:57 AM
Why does Turkey get a free pass on denying genocide, anyhow ... ?

Like Japan in Nanking 22 years later, not only did both events happen in the first half of the 20th Century, almost 100 years ago for Armenia, but both countries have reformed their ways. Even though both are still in denial for what they did, the fact they aren't doing such things now nor advocating those actions be done again should count for something.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-02-2014, 10:54 AM
Like Japan in Nanking 22 years later, not only did both events happen in the first half of the 20th Century, almost 100 years ago for Armenia, but both countries have reformed their ways. Even though both are still in denial for what they did, the fact they aren't doing such things now nor advocating those actions be done again should count for something.
That's a very fair point. The Japanese state has been no way as active as the Turkish one in pushing denial, however, as evidenced by stuff like this (http://asbarez.com/78878/article-301-case-filed-against-turkish-lawyer-urging-genocide-recogntion/).

Max Rockatansky
03-02-2014, 03:31 PM
That's a very fair point. The Japanese state has been no way as active as the Turkish one in pushing denial, however, as evidenced by stuff like this (http://asbarez.com/78878/article-301-case-filed-against-turkish-lawyer-urging-genocide-recogntion/).

In that case, one lawyer is suing another under the rule. It took place in 2010, but I don't see how it ended.

Mister D
03-02-2014, 04:09 PM
I must insist we don't abuse language. The IJA committed many atrocities in China but were not conducting genocide. This isn't to place one over the other. Frankly, I think that's silly. When innocents are purposely slaughtered does genocidal intent make it somehow worse?

That said, accusations of "genocide" have become a political tool or a bludgeon if you will of the liberal human rights cult. I can understand why nations like Turkey and Japan resist these demands for self-flagellation.

Max Rockatansky
03-02-2014, 04:34 PM
Holocaust deniers around the world salute you, sir!

Wiping out people in war is one thing, but to deliberately seek to wipe out every trace of a group of people regardless of combat status is an atrocity worth condemning.

Mister D
03-02-2014, 04:49 PM
Holocaust deniers around the world salute you, sir!

Wiping out people in war is one thing, but to deliberately seek to wipe out every trace of a group of people regardless of combat status is an atrocity worth condemning.

What a stupid remark.

Yes, Max, atrocities are worth condemning. Thank you for your contribution.

Mister D
03-02-2014, 04:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJjxOqgANM

Why does Turkey get a free pass on denying genocide, anyhow ... ?

http://cemertur.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/nato-bases-in-turkey.jpg

How have they gotten a free pass? What do you mean by that?

Max Rockatansky
03-02-2014, 05:09 PM
Yes, Max, atrocities are worth condemning. Thank you for your contribution.Thanks for agreeing and you are most welcome.

waltky
12-07-2016, 05:23 PM
Obama reneged on his promise...
http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/steamed.gif
Ambassador Power Calls Armenian Mass Killings ‘Genocide’; As President, Obama Has Not
December 7, 2016 – In 2008, Samantha Power urged Armenian Americans to vote for a junior senator from Illinois running for the White House, highlighting Barack Obama’s campaign pledge to recognize early 20th century atrocities against Armenians as “genocide.”


Power, at the time a senior foreign policy adviser to the campaign, described the Democratic candidate as “an acknowledger of the history” and assured the Armenian American community in a campaign video that he “can actually be trusted.” She cited Obama’s “very forthright [campaign] statement on the Armenian genocide, his support for the Senate resolution acknowledging the genocide all these years later, his willingness as president to commemorate it, and certainly to call a spade a spade, and to speak truth about it.” Eight years on, President Obama has yet to keep that pledge.

But with just weeks to go before he leaves office, Power – since 2013, his ambassador to the U.N. – has broken with administration policy, referring in public not merely to “genocide” in the context of the Armenian atrocities, but to its “denial.” She did so while delivering a tribute to the late Nobel peace prize laureate Elie Wiesel at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum last week. Power listed “genocide denial against the Armenians” among examples of “injustice” that persisted during Wiesel’s lifetime post-Holocaust. “He lived to see more and more people bear witness to unspeakable atrocities,” Power said of Wiesel, who died in July, “but he also saw indifference remained too widespread.”

Power won a Pulitzer Prize for her 2002 book, A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide. Up to 1.5 million orthodox Christian Armenians were killed as the Turkish Ottoman Empire disintegrated during World War I. The issue is highly sensitive in Turkey, a NATO ally whose government disputes elements of the historical record and denies that what it calls the “events of 1915” constituted genocide. In 2007 and 2010, Ankara recalled its ambassador from Washington to protest congressional measures on the Armenian genocide. More recently it reacted angrily when Pope Francis called the mass killings genocide in 2015 and again during a visit to Armenia earlier this year.

Campaigning in 2008, Obama in a statement declared his “firmly held conviction that the Armenian Genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence.” “As a senator, I strongly support passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.106 and S.Res.106), and as President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide,” he said. But over the past eight years, as Armenians held commemorations each April 24, Obama chose in his annual statements not use the word “genocide” – to the frustration of Armenian American organizations and many lawmakers.

MORE (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/ambassador-power-calls-armenian-mass-killings-genocide-president)

Soyuz22
12-09-2016, 11:51 AM
Because most of the world still hasn't recognized it for a genocide, which is exactly what it was, and Turkey is somehow allowed to flaunt that they either did no wrong or at the very least did not intend to deliberately slaughter Armenians, Assyrians, Ottoman Greeks - which they most certainly did. 1.5 million unfortunate deaths is one thing, 1.5 premeditated and systematic murders is another thing entirely.