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dattaswami
03-14-2012, 11:44 AM
Never criticize any one in the world. If you do not like to praise somebody, keep silent. If you scold somebody and suppose God is hidden in that person, it will lead to immediate punishment. Worship of God and insulting God will have immediate results in this world because both are powerful (Atyutkataih Papapunyaih……). The help and insult to the colleague souls will have results in the upper world in heaven and hell. But the service and insult to God in human form and devotees will have immediate results here itself.

Generally it is very difficult to identify God in human form who will try to hide Himself by looking like an ordinary person or some times looking like even a negative person. God in human form acts according to the role taken on the stage of the world. The role is according to the divine program drawn by God Himself. The role generally does not contain the supernatural behavior, which will create problems of free mixing of God with the souls. The role consists of mainly normal behavior and sometimes subnormal behavior to test the devotees or to drive away the undeserving devotees who will try to exploit God. In such case there is every possibility of misunderstanding God as a normal human being or some times as a bad human being.

If you neglect God assuming Him as a normal human being, there is nothing wrong in it and you will not be in loss even though you may not have the benefit. But if you insult Him assuming a bad fellow, that is the greatest sin and will have immediate negative effect. Since, we cannot trace out God easily, it is better not to criticize even a bad fellow. Leave him to his fate. Who are you to criticize anybody? You have lot of bad points shown by your bulky thumb, when you point out others with your lean finger. The constitution of God running the divine cycle of deeds will take care of everything in the world. Why do you unnecessarily take the risk of insulting the hidden God?



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MMC
03-14-2012, 05:34 PM
It is a good thought.....if all bring no affront nor an affliction. Then they walk the Danda!

dattaswami
03-15-2012, 03:20 AM
It is a good thought.....if all bring no affront nor an affliction. Then they walk the Danda!

The Lord is giving stress on the devotees to cross the difference between good and bad faced in the world. You should be showing the same love and kindness to both good and bad people and also love friends and enemies in the same way. If you praise a good person and a friend and scold a bad person and enemy, you have failed in the Yoga.

Tomorrow when you reach the Lord in the human form, He will appear bad and damage you like any. Then you will scold the Lord also. For example the devotees of Vishnu criticise Lord Siva, since Lord Siva appears with the qualities of Tamas. This is very important essence of Gita that one will succeed in the tests of the Lord in human form only if he raises himself above the three qualities (Satvam, Rajas and Tamas).

Therefore you should not be disturbed by the negative qualities or positive qualities in the world like insult and honour, enmity and friendship, loss and benefit, misery and happiness etc
(Gunanetanatetyatrin—Gita). Only such devotee can succeed the tests of the Lord and can please the Lord. This yukta state, which is the final stage of the Yoga, is called as the real sanyasa. Here the word sanyasa does not mean the external indications like saffron cloth, leaving the house etc (Naniragnih—Gita).

The sanyasin is that person who has completely sacrificed everything and everyone for the sake of the service to the Lord. Such sanyasin or yukta alone can be fully blessed by the Lord and enters the innermost circle of the Lord (Brahmabhuyaya—Gita).

roadmaster
03-15-2012, 03:41 AM
That’s a good thought but God is not hidden in all. Many have sold their souls, some have hardened hearts that cannot be reached. there is a difference from say what we may see as bad and become changed in time. None of us were born perfect and some of what we think is the worst can become a warrior for God. You are correct we should not judge all by their actions but He knows the future not us. I have known some of the ones people would have wrote off a long time ago become preachers for Him in prison. But you are wrong about all.

MMC
03-15-2012, 04:38 AM
It is said.....those who walk the path of the Tree of Knowledge. Will know the greatest of Sorrows. For such is of the Realties of the Physical planes. Which you have aptly defined in say like 12 or so threads. With Space, Time, and the Causal planes. Much of what you bring out in your narrations illustrate that focus upon the pure mental plane and not that of soul and or spirit. Which is common with the Eastern Teachings.

Buddha.....Guatama Siddartha did not focus so much on the spirit as he learned that one must first attain self-realization. Which meant focus on controlling that of the physical. Mind and body, becoming one. Understanding of one's true self.

Which again shows that man can make the choice not to bring an affront nor an afliction to another. Which has nothing to do with the soul/spirit.

Have you referenced Shamballa? What can you tell us about Krishna and his city? What of Rama? Varnu? What is the difference between the Upanishads and the Vedas? What can you tell us of those from the Bhagvad Gita. What takes place with the Shangtu Valley? Who are the Order of the Vairagi that are in the Himalayans? What knowledge do you have of Zadok and the Esseneces?

Most of those are in the Eastern Teachings.

dattaswami
03-15-2012, 09:49 AM
It is said.....those who walk the path of the Tree of Knowledge. Will know the greatest of Sorrows. For such is of the Realties of the Physical planes. Which you have aptly defined in say like 12 or so threads. With Space, Time, and the Causal planes. Much of what you bring out in your narrations illustrate that focus upon the pure mental plane and not that of soul and or spirit. Which is common with the Eastern Teachings.

Buddha.....Guatama Siddartha did not focus so much on the spirit as he learned that one must first attain self-realization. Which meant focus on controlling that of the physical. Mind and body, becoming one. Understanding of one's true self.

Which again shows that man can make the choice not to bring an affront nor an afliction to another. Which has nothing to do with the soul/spirit.

Have you referenced Shamballa? What can you tell us about Krishna and his city? What of Rama? Varnu? What is the difference between the Upanishads and the Vedas? What can you tell us of those from the Bhagvad Gita. What takes place with the Shangtu Valley? Who are the Order of the Vairagi that are in the Himalayans? What knowledge do you have of Zadok and the Esseneces?

Most of those are in the Eastern Teachings.
The first mantra of the first Upanishad speaks about enjoyment and sacrifice of money (kasyasvit dhanam). The mantra says that the entire creation is the wealth of the Lord and one should store the money for his minimum enjoyment and the rest should be sacrificed to the Lord who comes in the human form for His mission to uplift this world. The second mantra says that one should continuously work and earn. Vasista said that money is the root of all this worldly family bonds (Dhanamulamidam jagat). When money is absent all the family members will leave you. All the family members and relatives approach you only due to money just like the frogs are present in the tank when it is full of water.

The ‘Srichakram’ means the wheel that surrounds the money. Therefore when the sacrifice of money comes into the picture, all the fraud devotees will run away because in their hearts the attraction to the family bonds exists as solidified darkness. Only the true devotees will stand, in whose hearts the darkness is removed and the light of divine knowledge exists. The Lord came in human form and tested ‘Saktuprasta’ in the sacrifice of the food, which is another form of money. In draught he could secure a little flour and he was fasting for the past ten days. He was not tested in any other way of words and mind (japa, parayana, dhyana etc.). A real devotee will stand in this root test and this is the real fire test.

If the bond with the money is cut, all the worldly bonds are cut, since money is the root of this whole ‘samsara’. The fraud devotees want to escape this test and therefore interpreted the ‘karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa, parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit. Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the ‘karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such works and get the ‘Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained.

dattaswami
03-15-2012, 09:52 AM
That’s a good thought but God is not hidden in all. Many have sold their souls, some have hardened hearts that cannot be reached. there is a difference from say what we may see as bad and become changed in time. None of us were born perfect and some of what we think is the worst can become a warrior for God. You are correct we should not judge all by their actions but He knows the future not us. I have known some of the ones people would have wrote off a long time ago become preachers for Him in prison. But you are wrong about all.
We have to cross both the arguments of God being every whereand God being awareness. With the help of scripture, we have to reach the goal,which is unimaginable God.

We are denying the two arguments viz., theargument of awareness being God and the argument of the all pervading God. Weare establishing the argument of unimaginable nature of God. The above twoarguments are like deep pits existing side by side and we have to travel in thenarrow path existing between these two pits to reach the goal of unimaginablenature of God. Since awareness is the specific work of inert energy in thefunctioning nervous system and the concept of all pervading God does notrequire the need of any spiritual effort as every one is God, the above twopits are to be avoided. These two arguments can be denied by the scripturealso. Veda says that God is the controller of souls (Atmesvaram…) and this denies that God is soul or awareness.

Vedaalso says that nothing and none in this creation is God (Neti Neti…) and this denies that God is every where in this world.There are several Vedic statements speaking that God is unimaginable and evenGita says that no body knows God. Like this, we have to escape the danger offalling in the above two pits and reach the true goal of the unimaginablenature of God.