Germanicus
03-29-2014, 06:49 AM
One of the most interesting things about WW2 in my opinion is the fact that the Irish would not fight for England.
The Irish were neutral. People seem surprised when you tell them this fact. I was surprised when I found out. It is interesting that many people in Ireland admired the Germans or 'nazi'. The IRA were big fans of the Nazi.
Instead of fighting for England, Ireland declared a State of Emergency and pretty much brought in Martial Law. The majority of the Irish public supported the actions of their Government.
The Emergency (Irish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language): Ré na Práinne / An Éigeandáil) was an official euphemism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism) used by the Irish Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Government) during the 1940s to refer to its position during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II). The state was neutral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_country) during World War II, but declared a state of emergency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency) on 2 September 1939,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-1) and enacted the Emergency Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Powers_Act_1939) the following day.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-2) This gave sweeping new powers to the government for the duration of the Emergency, such as internment, censorship of the press and correspondence, and the government control of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)
Most people seem to have an infantile understanding of WW2 and no idea at all about the politics of the time. Fascism was a huge international movement and the Germans had supporters in every nation including like minded political parties. The pro-German feeling of Ireland may have been stronger than most places but the idea of Fascism in various forms was competing with Communism, Capitalism and Socialism. The neutrality of Ireland is an unmistakable indicator of the fact that Germany was not hated by the entire world and actually had a great deal of International Supporters.
Most people seem to believe that all of a sudden the most evil man in history popped up out of nowhere, made everyone hate Jewish people and then had to be killed because he tried to kill all Jewish people as well as tried to take over the entire world. And then USA alone saved us from him so hail USA for all time.. (: ( And also hail capitalism for all time ) It wasnt really like that at all.
On the other hand, in the first few years of the war, the government did not show any overt preference for either side. This is partly because de Valera had to keep national unity, which meant accommodating the large swathe of Irish society that rejected anything to do with the British, some of whom admired Germany to some extent. These attitudes were shared by Aiken,[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-10) and Walshe,.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-11) The Fianna Fáil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna_Fáil) government, headed by Éamon De Valera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éamon_De_Valera) ruled alone and did not accommodate any other party in decision-making.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-12) Within both the British and Irish political sphere, there were pro-fascist political parties at the outbreak of the war, the centre-right Fine Gael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael) party in Ireland, and the more extreme British union of fascists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_union_of_fascists) in Britain, with the latter party being completely outlawed in 1940.
Wiki is capitalist propaganda. Imagine if the Germans had won how different that would read.
"some of whom admired Germany to some extent."- wiki
((: To some extent indeed. Some indeed. Wiki is capitalist trash you know.
So, yeah. The IRA were huge fans of the 'Nazi'.
The IRA fostered links with German intelligence (the Abwehr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abwehr)) and Foreign Ministry, with men such as Francis Stuart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Stuart) travelling to Germany to talk, though these attempts were largely ineffectual due to a combination of Abwehr and Foreign Ministry incompetence and IRA weakness.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-15) Germans also came to Ireland, the most notable of whom was Hermann Görtz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Görtz), who was captured in possession of "Plan Kathleen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Kathleen)"- an IRA plan that detailed a German supported invasion of Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland). (See also: Irish Republican Army – Abwehr collaboration in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_–_Abwehr_collaboration_in_Wo rld_War_II)).
Relations with Germany
In pursuit of its policy of neutrality, the Irish Government refused to close the German and Japanese embassies. In 1939, the German Government had very little intelligence on Ireland and Britain. This is because Hitler had hoped for a détente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Détente) or alliance with Britain, whom he considered the "natural allies" of Nazi Germany.[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-51)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)
What? Hitler considered the British to be neutral allies of 'Nazi' Germany?
The Irish were neutral. People seem surprised when you tell them this fact. I was surprised when I found out. It is interesting that many people in Ireland admired the Germans or 'nazi'. The IRA were big fans of the Nazi.
Instead of fighting for England, Ireland declared a State of Emergency and pretty much brought in Martial Law. The majority of the Irish public supported the actions of their Government.
The Emergency (Irish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language): Ré na Práinne / An Éigeandáil) was an official euphemism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism) used by the Irish Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Government) during the 1940s to refer to its position during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II). The state was neutral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_country) during World War II, but declared a state of emergency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency) on 2 September 1939,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-1) and enacted the Emergency Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Powers_Act_1939) the following day.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-2) This gave sweeping new powers to the government for the duration of the Emergency, such as internment, censorship of the press and correspondence, and the government control of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)
Most people seem to have an infantile understanding of WW2 and no idea at all about the politics of the time. Fascism was a huge international movement and the Germans had supporters in every nation including like minded political parties. The pro-German feeling of Ireland may have been stronger than most places but the idea of Fascism in various forms was competing with Communism, Capitalism and Socialism. The neutrality of Ireland is an unmistakable indicator of the fact that Germany was not hated by the entire world and actually had a great deal of International Supporters.
Most people seem to believe that all of a sudden the most evil man in history popped up out of nowhere, made everyone hate Jewish people and then had to be killed because he tried to kill all Jewish people as well as tried to take over the entire world. And then USA alone saved us from him so hail USA for all time.. (: ( And also hail capitalism for all time ) It wasnt really like that at all.
On the other hand, in the first few years of the war, the government did not show any overt preference for either side. This is partly because de Valera had to keep national unity, which meant accommodating the large swathe of Irish society that rejected anything to do with the British, some of whom admired Germany to some extent. These attitudes were shared by Aiken,[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-10) and Walshe,.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-11) The Fianna Fáil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna_Fáil) government, headed by Éamon De Valera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éamon_De_Valera) ruled alone and did not accommodate any other party in decision-making.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-12) Within both the British and Irish political sphere, there were pro-fascist political parties at the outbreak of the war, the centre-right Fine Gael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael) party in Ireland, and the more extreme British union of fascists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_union_of_fascists) in Britain, with the latter party being completely outlawed in 1940.
Wiki is capitalist propaganda. Imagine if the Germans had won how different that would read.
"some of whom admired Germany to some extent."- wiki
((: To some extent indeed. Some indeed. Wiki is capitalist trash you know.
So, yeah. The IRA were huge fans of the 'Nazi'.
The IRA fostered links with German intelligence (the Abwehr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abwehr)) and Foreign Ministry, with men such as Francis Stuart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Stuart) travelling to Germany to talk, though these attempts were largely ineffectual due to a combination of Abwehr and Foreign Ministry incompetence and IRA weakness.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-15) Germans also came to Ireland, the most notable of whom was Hermann Görtz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Görtz), who was captured in possession of "Plan Kathleen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Kathleen)"- an IRA plan that detailed a German supported invasion of Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland). (See also: Irish Republican Army – Abwehr collaboration in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_–_Abwehr_collaboration_in_Wo rld_War_II)).
Relations with Germany
In pursuit of its policy of neutrality, the Irish Government refused to close the German and Japanese embassies. In 1939, the German Government had very little intelligence on Ireland and Britain. This is because Hitler had hoped for a détente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Détente) or alliance with Britain, whom he considered the "natural allies" of Nazi Germany.[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)#cite_note-51)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(Ireland)
What? Hitler considered the British to be neutral allies of 'Nazi' Germany?