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IMPress Polly
04-04-2014, 07:29 AM
OR: WHY DOES A MAN COMMIT AN ACT OF RAPE?

Let me just start off by saying that I like to watch this show that comes on the Game Show Network late at night called Mind of a Man. I'm not normally a fan of game shows, but Mind of a Man has become an exception for me because of the subject it centers around. The structure is this: The network conducts a survey of a fair-sized group of men (100 is the standard) on a range of topics and then invites small groups of women to guess what the prevailing answers the men gave to the various inquiries were. Sometimes, for example, they'll be given three options and asked to list what they think the guy's answers were in the correct order. That sort of thing. They do this for prizes: the more answers you get right, the closer you are to a prize. You get the basic idea. I try to guess what I think the correct answers are as well. What I've learned from watching this show regularly is that I know very little about how men think because I do worse than the female guests: I get like 80% of the answers wrong. There's only one kind of category that I can guess the answers correctly on and it's not exactly the most surprising one if you know much about my background: men's sexual tastes. (For example, seriously, these women actually believe that Joe Average is more turned on by sexy text messages than by pole dancing. Men are visual creatures ladies!! Then again, I would know, given my broad enough survey.) But I guess I probably make for bad dating material because that's pretty well the sum total of what I know about your typical American male, evidently. And while I might be an unusually extreme case in that sense, when I see so many women getting most of the answers wrong too (though more 60% as contrasted with my 80% or so), it occurs to me that I'm far from alone in my lack of broad understanding. One of the things I believe that not many women understand or relate to is that of why anyone would commit an act of sexual violence. Like somewhere between 16 and 20% of the female population in this country, I've been on the receiving end of sexual violence before, all of it committed by men, yet admittedly cannot truly relate to the sentiment: to the motivation anyone would have for doing something like that. Although I have admittedly desired revenge, it cannot be said that I would ever actually touch someone sexually against their will. That's just not in me. Chalk it up to that list of things I haven't quite understood about men (who are overwhelmingly the party responsible for sexual violence).

This ongoing thread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/24100-Why-Rape-Is-Sincerely-Hilarious) has included some discussion of what it is that leads to rape. It brought to mind a discussion hosted by the feminist activist Eve Ensler on that very subject that I'd watched online last year in the aftermath of the infamous Steubenville rape case (which I'm sure some of you may remember). The said discussion was particularly helpful to me because it was a diverse group of men seeking to explain, in their own views, how this can happen and what they believe can be done about it. Sorry ladies, but I wouldn't trust you to know about such a broadly male-specific matter much better than I do. The word of men on this subject is more authoritative, I feel, given that it comes from a different kind of life experience. And I feel that this kind of approach is vital. Addressing the topic of sexual violence cannot simply mean suppressing it. To truly end it or minimize it or whatever is actually possible, we need to get to the root of the problem (the 'why does this happen?') and dig that up. In that connection, I learned a lot from watching this dialogue and would highly recommend it to all who are serious about dissecting this topic. First check it out and see what you think. It's a couple hours long, so be sure you've got some time on your hands. (The first half or so is the panel of men discussing the matter amongst themselves, addressing a range of issues, and the second half or so then breaks into questions from the audience.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmpNw7U-YE

So anyway, here are some of my observations and conclusions: First of all, notice that none of these guys thinks that sexual violence is natural. All believe it's a product of nurture rather than of nature. They discussed a lot of topics ranging from the role of sports to that of pornography, but the one that really strikes me as the most core and essential is simply the assignment of the concept of "masculinity". I have come to the conclusion that the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" are oppressive and purely social constructs should be done away with. We shouldn't view and define ourselves as "masculine" and "feminine" respectively like we're different species, but rather simply as human, I believe.

They're oppressive in that they prescribe special roles for people arbitrarily along gender lines. Central to the man's role within this framework is to be invincible. This means that you're not allowed to be too emotionally attached to anyone or to express most of your feelings. You all know how this is socially enforced. We've all seen it before, and I'm sure every one of you guys reading this has experienced it personally many times: When your behavior doesn't fit into the proverbial box, you get called a "pussy" or a "fag" or something along those lines, and find yourself ostracized. Perhaps it's because you cried in public over something other than a grave physical injury. (Perhaps they were even tears of joy over something that moved you. Not allowed either.) Or perhaps it's because, heaven forbid, you were into so-called girly things like caregiving. Perhaps you liked the color pink. Or, as we've seen recently in professional baseball talk radio, maybe you so much as took a three-day paternity leave. Not allowed! Not if you want a lot of friends anyway. Come on now, man up. (I hate that expression!) It's not natural for men to be like that. If it were natural then you wouldn't have to be taught. You wouldn't have to have your dad tell you not to cry and so forth. This kind of upbringing where you have to suppress most of your emotions, it is suggested in the above discussion, leads to pent up anger, which goes a long way toward explaining why it's mostly men who commit acts of violence in general. As to the sexual component of sexual violence, I believe that was adequately spoken to in the dialogue and need not be further elaborated by me.

What do you (especially the guys) think? Do I have anything here or am I way off?

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 07:34 AM
All those guys cross their legs on that panel. There are two types of guys. Leg crossers and leg spreaders. They picked all of one type.

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 07:40 AM
I think social engineering is anti-evolutionary. There are biological and evolutionary reasons for gender "constructs" that research scientists with hard science degrees have proven beyond any reasonable doubt is true. The fact that our bodies are so different meant that nature found this to be advantageous. In the animal kingdom there are roles the sexes play, with some anomalies, but in general the male creatures are bigger and made for protection. The females give birth and have different hormones that create super strength and fierceness when babies are in danger. In human populations, women are attuned to high pitch sounds so that they won't sleep through their baby crying. Men are less attuned to sounds but visual stimuli. A man is more protective at the sight of his own child than that of another.

This is evolution. In another 60,000 years this may change, but it shouldn't be forced to change quickly or we'll end up a ruined species as the weak are overbred.

That is my opinion.

Also, I think you're about 40 years behind the reality.

Men today are shamed if you want to play with gun toys, swords, etc. Men have been told for 20-30 years that crying is good. Be sensitive. Boys and girls are the same. All that crap. It's why guys where skinny jeans, carry man bags, and wear plaid shirts buttoned up to the top so they can go to a coffee shop and look like a film writer as they sip their delicately made drinks and look smart over their macbook.

IMPress Polly
04-04-2014, 07:42 AM
TO ALL:


Codename Section wrote:
All those guys cross their legs on that panel. There are two types of guys. Leg crossers and leg spreaders. They picked all of one type.

Right there you have it! Right there, in Codename's first post, is our first example on this thread of men putting other men into the oppressive box that leads to an unnatural supply of pent up anger and frustration that I described in the OP. He couldn't possibly have watched the video because it's two hours long and he replied within five minutes of my posting it. Thus we know that this isn't exactly his informed opinion, but rather simply petty posturing, as if to assure you that "real men" don't care about these things; that it's weak to do so. It's not! The intellectually weak person here is the one incapable of thinking outside the realm of what might make them popular in the present context, toward the end of changing that context.

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 07:46 AM
Right there you have it! Right there, in Codename's post, is our first example on this thread of putting men into the oppressive box that leads to an unnatural supply of pent up anger and frustration that I described in the OP. He couldn't possibly have watched the video because it's two hours long and he replied within five minutes of my posting it. Thus we know that this isn't exactly his informed opinion, but rather simply petty posturing, as if to assure you that "real men" don't care about these things; that it's weak to do so. It's not! The intellectually weak person here is the one incapable of thinking outside the realm of what might make them popular in the present context, toward the end of changing that context.


Of course I'm not going to watch the video. My attention span is next to nothing after Afghanistan. I'm in hyper mode now so I can write a million posts and then go sleep.

I was replying to YOUR words not the video.

I read what you wrote in the rape thread and I think that is pretty much crap. I'm the Alpha male from a culture of chest beating ape like marines, have a weapon will travel, shooting bad guys type. I've never raped anyone and have been on the receiving end of sexual harassment that included touching from women and men.

IMPress Polly
04-04-2014, 07:49 AM
Codename Section wrote:
I was replying to YOUR words not the video.

No you weren't. You provided a sweeping opinion of the entire video in the post I quoted based solely on the default still image.

Also: My stated opinions are rooted very much in the contents of the video, so it is kind of important to watch it at some point.

I do thank you for your other post though, though I wish it were more substantiated.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 07:49 AM
Why would we watch a 2 hour vid? Do you have a shorter video which proves your point?

Chris
04-04-2014, 07:50 AM
to all:



right there you have it! Right there, in codename's first post, is our first example on this thread of men putting other men into the oppressive box that leads to an unnatural supply of pent up anger and frustration that i described in the op. He couldn't possibly have watched the video because it's two hours long and he replied within five minutes of my posting it. Thus we know that this isn't exactly his informed opinion, but rather simply petty posturing, as if to assure you that "real men" don't care about these things; that it's weak to do so. It's not! The intellectually weak person here is the one incapable of thinking outside the realm of what might make them popular in the present context, toward the end of changing that context.


wtf?

Thought code was kidding around. Though of course he's wrong, there's two types of leg crossers, one that crosses legs womanly and one that does so manly--the man next the woman is the latter. And the second guy is a spreader not a crosser.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 07:52 AM
I would like, just once to be asked how I feel about a particular subject by a woman instead of her telling me how I feel. Should that happen, real dialogue could occur and we might all get somewhere.

IMPress Polly
04-04-2014, 07:55 AM
I thought I did ask your opinion, Paperback Writer. See my concluding sentence in the OP. The rest was simply an opinion I provided based mainly on the words of men (as explained before).

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 08:02 AM
I would guess that most of the psychologists who do research into gender and say we're all the same are women or gay men. It's a guess based on articles or papers I've read. I've noticed that they also get angry if people want to research evolutionary biology because it goes against "advances" made in political roles.

Science is now politicized.

Research scientists outside of psychology, the ones that actually find the causes for our reactions, actually tiptoe around their findings so that it doesn't seem they are stepping outside the order.

If men are angry as Polly supposes it is because we are now being told what we can or cannot like, that we need to drag women into combat with us just because they want to go, that we should like boring movies, that we should want to dress a certain way, that hair products are awesome, and all this blah blah metrosexual crap.

I do cry. I don't feel like I can't. After all that combat I have literally an ocean of sadness inside me. Someday when I have time I'll lay on the floor and create a swimming pool in my bedroom. I'm not afraid to show my emotions, but my life is such that I just don't have time for it right now.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 08:06 AM
I thought I did ask your opinion, Paperback Writer. See my concluding sentence in the OP. The rest was simply an opinion I provided based mainly on the words of men (as explained before).

You observed a panel of men, made conclusions, then positioned the question in the framework of your conclusions.

I said this on the other thread, but what you've said of "men" has always been said of the English. A longstanding joke is that the English only show affection to horses and small dogs.

Crying from a female or male goes against the British axiom of the "stiff upper lip". No crying or complaining was our way of life. If this type of repression causes violence why were there not more examples of females raping in Great Britain?

Captain Obvious
04-04-2014, 08:22 AM
So, the fact that I'm a man means I have to have some sort of "rape guilt" like I'm supposed to have "white guilt" because I'm white?

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 08:25 AM
So, the fact that I'm a man means I have to have some sort of "rape guilt" like I'm supposed to have "white guilt" because I'm white?
IMPress Polly

I'm turning Captain in for his titty pics that demean women and his cum shot picture from the other week. He's oppressing you. Fire him.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 08:27 AM
I would guess that most of the psychologists who do research into gender and say we're all the same are women or gay men. It's a guess based on articles or papers I've read. I've noticed that they also get angry if people want to research evolutionary biology because it goes against "advances" made in political roles.

Science is now politicized.

Research scientists outside of psychology, the ones that actually find the causes for our reactions, actually tiptoe around their findings so that it doesn't seem they are stepping outside the order.

If men are angry as Polly supposes it is because we are now being told what we can or cannot like, that we need to drag women into combat with us just because they want to go, that we should like boring movies, that we should want to dress a certain way, that hair products are awesome, and all this blah blah metrosexual crap.

I do cry. I don't feel like I can't. After all that combat I have literally an ocean of sadness inside me. Someday when I have time I'll lay on the floor and create a swimming pool in my bedroom. I'm not afraid to show my emotions, but my life is such that I just don't have time for it right now.


"Some people maintain that the word sex should be reserved for reference to the biological aspects of being male or female or to sexual activity, and that the word gender should be used only to refer to sociocultural roles. Accordingly, one would say The effectiveness of the treatment appears to depend on the sex of the patient and In society, gender roles are clearly defined. In some situations this distinction avoids ambiguity, as in gender research, which is clear in a way that sex research is not. The distinction can be problematic, however. Linguistically, there isn't any real difference between gender bias and sex bias, and it may seem contrived to insist that sex is incorrect in this instance.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#cite_note-ahdictionary.com.2C_5th_ed-9)"


...biological sex can't change but gender roles can...and the sad part is douchebags like polly, who already admits she knows very little about male thought processes, it appointing people like herself to define gender rolls for males...she's a manhater...

Chris
04-04-2014, 08:30 AM
IMPress Polly

I'm turning Captain in for his titty pics that demean women and his cum shot picture from the other week. He's oppressing you. Fire him.



And then there's Bob with his :blob7:, er, no, I mean :boobs:.

Ravi
04-04-2014, 08:40 AM
I think that doing away with masculinity or femininity would be just as oppressive as doing away with ethnic identity.

People rape because they are fucked in the head and selfish.

MrJimmyDale
04-04-2014, 08:42 AM
I can't watch the link where I am at but from the OP's comments she seems to think that men don't want to act masculine?????? I don't want to act like a sissy.....and I don't want my girlfriend to act masculine!!! I don't vacuum and she doesn't cut the grass. I don't wash clothes and she doesn't take out the trash. I fix things around the house and she put's out when I want her to....... It's the natural way

Mister D
04-04-2014, 08:42 AM
OR: WHY DOES A MAN COMMIT AN ACT OF RAPE?

Let me just start off by saying that I like to watch this show that comes on the Game Show Network late at night called Mind of a Man. I'm not normally a fan of game shows, but Mind of a Man has become an exception for me because of the subject it centers around. The structure is this: The network conducts a survey of a fair-sized group of men (100 is the standard) on a range of topics and then invites small groups of women to guess what the prevailing answers the men gave to the various inquiries were. Sometimes, for example, they'll be given three options and asked to list what they think the guy's answers were in the correct order. That sort of thing. They do this for prizes: the more answers you get right, the closer you are to a prize. You get the basic idea. I try to guess what I think the correct answers are as well. What I've learned from watching this show regularly is that I know very little about how men think because I do worse than the female guests: I get like 80% of the answers wrong. There's only one kind of category that I can guess the answers correctly on and it's not exactly the most surprising one if you know much about my background: men's sexual tastes. (For example, seriously, these women actually believe that Joe Average is more turned on by sexy text messages than by pole dancing. Men are visual creatures ladies!! Then again, I would know, given my broad enough survey.) But I guess I probably make for bad dating material because that's pretty well the sum total of what I know about your typical American male, evidently. And while I might be an unusually extreme case in that sense, when I see so many women getting most of the answers wrong too (though more 60% as contrasted with my 80% or so), it occurs to me that I'm far from alone in my lack of broad understanding. One of the things I believe that not many women understand or relate to is that of why anyone would commit an act of sexual violence. Like somewhere between 16 and 20% of the female population in this country, I've been on the receiving end of sexual violence before, all of it committed by men, yet admittedly cannot truly relate to the sentiment: to the motivation anyone would have for doing something like that. Although I have admittedly desired revenge, it cannot be said that I would ever actually touch someone sexually against their will. That's just not in me. Chalk it up to that list of things I haven't quite understood about men (who are overwhelmingly the party responsible for sexual violence).

This ongoing thread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/24100-Why-Rape-Is-Sincerely-Hilarious) has included some discussion of what it is that leads to rape. It brought to mind a discussion hosted by the feminist activist Eve Ensler on that very subject that I'd watched online last year in the aftermath of the infamous Steubenville rape case (which I'm sure some of you may remember). The said discussion was particularly helpful to me because it was a diverse group of men seeking to explain, in their own views, how this can happen and what they believe can be done about it. Sorry ladies, but I wouldn't trust you to know about such a broadly male-specific matter much better than I do. The word of men on this subject is more authoritative, I feel, given that it comes from a different kind of life experience. And I feel that this kind of approach is vital. Addressing the topic of sexual violence cannot simply mean suppressing it. To truly end it or minimize it or whatever is actually possible, we need to get to the root of the problem (the 'why does this happen?') and dig that up. In that connection, I learned a lot from watching this dialogue and would highly recommend it to all who are serious about dissecting this topic. First check it out and see what you think. It's a couple hours long, so be sure you've got some time on your hands. (The first half or so is the panel of men discussing the matter amongst themselves, addressing a range of issues, and the second half or so then breaks into questions from the audience.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmpNw7U-YE

So anyway, here are some of my observations and conclusions: First of all, notice that none of these guys thinks that sexual violence is natural. All believe it's a product of nurture rather than of nature. They discussed a lot of topics ranging from the role of sports to that of pornography, but the one that really strikes me as the most core and essential is simply the assignment of the concept of "masculinity". I have come to the conclusion that the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" are oppressive and purely social constructs should be done away with. We shouldn't view and define ourselves as "masculine" and "feminine" respectively like we're different species, but rather simply as human, I believe.

They're oppressive in that they prescribe special roles for people arbitrarily along gender lines. Central to the man's role within this framework is to be invincible. This means that you're not allowed to be too emotionally attached to anyone or to express most of your feelings. You all know how this is socially enforced. We've all seen it before, and I'm sure every one of you guys reading this has experienced it personally many times: When your behavior doesn't fit into the proverbial box, you get called a "pussy" or a "fag" or something along those lines, and find yourself ostracized. Perhaps it's because you cried in public over something other than a grave physical injury. (Perhaps they were even tears of joy over something that moved you. Not allowed either.) Or perhaps it's because, heaven forbid, you were into so-called girly things like caregiving. Perhaps you liked the color pink. Or, as we've seen recently in professional baseball talk radio, maybe you so much as took a three-day paternity leave. Not allowed! Not if you want a lot of friends anyway. Come on now, man up. (I hate that expression!) It's not natural for men to be like that. If it were natural then you wouldn't have to be taught. You wouldn't have to have your dad tell you not to cry and so forth. This kind of upbringing where you have to suppress most of your emotions, it is suggested in the above discussion, leads to pent up anger, which goes a long way toward explaining why it's mostly men who commit acts of violence in general. As to the sexual component of sexual violence, I believe that was adequately spoken to in the dialogue and need not be further elaborated by me.

What do you (especially the guys) think? Do I have anything here or am I way off?

Are you suggesting that there are no signifcant biological differences (obviously, I'm referring to differences that affect our psychology etc.) between males and females? It's all a product of culture? That does seem to be the implication here. If so, I don't understand why so many feminists will deny that they would ever suggest such a thing but then go on to make the suggestions you made above.

Secondly, why is it that females do not react violently to social roles they cannot conform to? Could it be that males are inherently more aggressive and deal with their "emotions" in different ways?

MrJimmyDale
04-04-2014, 08:45 AM
I think that doing away with masculinity or femininity would be just as oppressive as doing away with ethnic identity. People rape because they are fucked in the head and selfish. I never thought that I would ever type these words...........


I agree with Ravi

(that was hard to type.....my fingers hurt now!!!!)

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 08:47 AM
Are you suggesting that there are no signifcant biological differences (obviously, I'm referring to differences that affect our psychology etc.) between males and females? It's all a product of culture? That does seem to be the implication here. If so, I don't understand why so many feminists will deny that they would ever suggest such a thing but then go on to make the suggestions you made above.

Secondly, why is it that females do not react violently to social roles they cannot conform to? Could it be that males are inherently more aggressive and deal with their "emotions" in different ways?

Yes, I would like that answered, as well.

junie
04-04-2014, 08:54 AM
TO ALL:



Right there you have it! Right there, in Codename's first post, is our first example on this thread of men putting other men into the oppressive box that leads to an unnatural supply of pent up anger and frustration that I described in the OP. He couldn't possibly have watched the video because it's two hours long and he replied within five minutes of my posting it. Thus we know that this isn't exactly his informed opinion, but rather simply petty posturing, as if to assure you that "real men" don't care about these things; that it's weak to do so. It's not! The intellectually weak person here is the one incapable of thinking outside the realm of what might make them popular in the present context, toward the end of changing that context.



funny, i was also thinking about that other thread how in our culture it's other men who make men feel like that guy in the video..like macho high-five cuz your teacher wanted you type thing...that is primarily men who do that to other men ala 'man up' etc , making them feel like they can't talk about what happened to them as victim of sexual molestation...and if it was a man who molested them they are typically terrified so afraid to be thought of as gay by other men as well...

please note for the super sensitive males among us, these general observation are not about YOU. :laugh: emotions and fears aren't always rational...

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 08:55 AM
Why would we watch a 2 hour vid? Do you have a shorter video which proves your point?


...this made me laugh out loud...I mean right there, 2 hour video SCREAMS I have no idea about males...none what so ever...

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 08:59 AM
I think that doing away with masculinity or femininity would be just as oppressive as doing away with ethnic identity.

People rape because they are fucked in the head and selfish.


...didn't I say it was in their wiring and you criticized me for that?...but now you say it...weird...

Ravi
04-04-2014, 09:00 AM
...didn't I say it was in their wiring and you criticized me for that?...but now you say it...weird...
No, you were saying that dolphins rape and therefore it's just part of life.

Mister D
04-04-2014, 09:02 AM
funny, i was also thinking about that other thread how in our culture it's other men who make men feel like that guy in the video..like macho high-five cuz your teacher wanted you type thing...that is primarily men who do that to other men ala 'man up' etc , making them feel like they can't talk about what happened to them as victim of sexual molestation...and if it was a man who molested them they are typically terrified so afraid to be thought of as gay by other men as well...

please note for the super sensitive males among us, these general observation are not about YOU. :laugh: emotions and fears aren't always rational...

Fears of what? Being molested by a female teacher? Oh no! It's not like young males have fantasies like that. :grin:

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:03 AM
funny, i was also thinking about that other thread how in our culture it's other men who make men feel like that guy in the video..like macho high-five cuz your teacher wanted you type thing...that is primarily men who do that to other men ala 'man up' etc , making them feel like they can't talk about what happened to them as victim of sexual molestation...and if it was a man who molested them they are typically terrified so afraid to be thought of as gay by other men as well...

please note for the super sensitive males among us, these general observation are not about YOU. :laugh: emotions and fears aren't always rational...

This post shows the oblivious nature of women. They feel, they believe, they know we <insert what or how we think>. Of course, it's other men that tell us how we think or should think. We're the ones who are super sensitive and avoid reading a post because of the title.

:rollseyes:

MrJimmyDale
04-04-2014, 09:03 AM
@Captian Obvious ......... Any dolphin on dolphin pics?

post #25

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:04 AM
...this made me laugh out loud...I mean right there, 2 hour video SCREAMS I have no idea about males...none what so ever...

Kabuki Joe is 100% correct. Note also that she was angry at Code for not watching it, but she "understands" men from watching that panel.

Mister D
04-04-2014, 09:06 AM
No, you were saying that dolphins rape and therefore it's just part of life.

Dolphins are pretty fucked up. They kill for fun too. Bastards.

Captain Obvious
04-04-2014, 09:06 AM
@Captian Obvious ......... Any dolphin on dolphin pics?

post #25

I guess I have to back off on some stuff that might be a little too rich for Romper Room anymore.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:07 AM
No, you were saying that dolphins rape and therefore it's just part of life.

...so it's not part of dolphin life?...males packing together and forcing females to accept them?...and if the females have "young'uns" and won't accept the males they either run them off or kill them?...this is all part of dolphin life...

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:12 AM
Kabuki Joe is 100% correct. Note also that she was angry at Code for not watching it, but she "understands" men from watching that panel.


...I usually get bored watching big fight cards (mma and boxing) while my wife sits though the whole thing...I can't really sit in place for more then 45 mins (about as long as "Grim" is) without something I need to engage in (like video games)...otherwise I wake up afterwards saying, "who won and how?"...A.D.D is a bitch...

Ravi
04-04-2014, 09:15 AM
...so it's not part of dolphin life?...males packing together and forcing females to accept them?...and if the females have "young'uns" and won't accept the males they either run them off or kill them?...this is all part of dolphin life...
Don't be an ass. You were saying that humans raping was excusable because of dolphin behavior.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:20 AM
Don't be an ass. You were saying that humans raping was excusable because of dolphin behavior.



...most animals perform what "feminists" call rape...it's what animals do...dolphins, the animals people like chloe use to justify homosexuality in nature, are huge offenders of rape...groups of males pack up and rape every females they can catch...strange for the poster child of how close animals and humans are...since we are animals and it's what a male does to a female in the animal world, it's going to happen in our world...males make females accept them, it's what males do...and no, I'm not saying it's acceptable...


...really, that's what I said Trinnity?...

Ravi
04-04-2014, 09:23 AM
...really, that's what I said Trinnity?...Acceptable is not equal to excusable. You excused it. But feel free to back away from it now.

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 09:28 AM
@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399)

I'm turning Captain in for his titty pics that demean women and his cum shot picture from the other week. He's oppressing you. Fire him.

I deleted those pics.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:29 AM
Acceptable is not equal to excusable. You excused it. But feel free to back away from it now.


...did I say it was acceptable?...

Captain Obvious
04-04-2014, 09:30 AM
I deleted those pics.

There was some good stuff in there too.

:(

Ravi
04-04-2014, 09:36 AM
...did I say it was acceptable?...No, and I never said you did. I said you excused it.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:40 AM
Don't be an ass. You were saying that humans raping was excusable because of dolphin behavior.

No, and I can't believe I'm in defence of Joe, but what he actually said was that if you are to use animal examples as acceptable behaviour then rape should be acceptable if homosexuality is.

Entirely different argument unless you're stupid and cannot understand analogies proper-like.

Chris
04-04-2014, 09:41 AM
...really, that's what I said Trinnity?...

Interesting...

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:41 AM
I guess I have to back off on some stuff that might be a little too rich for Romper Room anymore.

Captain, what's troubling you?

We're making a point, nothing more, that what you deem bigotry may not be bigotry anymore than what Polly deems mysogyny is--you see that, yeh?

Chris
04-04-2014, 09:44 AM
Captain, what's troubling you?

We're making a point, nothing more, that what you deem bigotry may not be bigotry anymore than what Polly deems mysogyny is--you see that, yeh?


Novel idea, that we might have different views of things. :rollseyes:

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:45 AM
No, and I never said you did. I said you excused it.


...I win Trinity...

Ravi
04-04-2014, 09:45 AM
No, and I can't believe I'm in defence of Joe, but what he actually said was that if you are to use animal examples as acceptable behaviour then rape should be acceptable if homosexuality is.

Entirely different argument unless you're stupid and cannot understand analogies proper-like.
You've been...










































...KABUKIED...

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:46 AM
:)

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:46 AM
No, and I can't believe I'm in defence of Joe, but what he actually said was that if you are to use animal examples as acceptable behaviour then rape should be acceptable if homosexuality is.

Entirely different argument unless you're stupid and cannot understand analogies proper-like.


...finally someone gets it...I'm glad I never put you on ignore... :)

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 09:47 AM
I will thank, rep, or otherwise listen to everyone even those I feel are disagreeable. You never know what nugget of truth will squeak out.

Chris
04-04-2014, 09:47 AM
You've been...










































...KABUKIED...



Or RAVISHED

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 09:51 AM
I will thank, rep, or otherwise listen to everyone even those I feel are disagreeable. You never know what nugget of truth will squeak out.


...I like different perspectives...as long as it makes sense...I mean sage posts some wacky stuff, not all of it I agree with, but he has some "intriguing" arguments...same with you and codered even...I just don't have respect for "parrots", people that repeat what they are taught, even when it's nonsense...

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 09:58 AM
IMPress Polly. I am listening to the video now in the background. From what I gather so far from the video, and from what you said in the OP, I agree with the men on the panel.

I understand your position about masculine and feminine, and imagine that your faith in Marxism contributes to your idea that masculinity and femininity are oppressive and purely social constructs that should be done away with.

I don't think that they are social constructs. I think that they are genetic and then reinforced by culture. I mentioned this somewhat in the Children Toys (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/24099-quot-Pinkification-quot-of-children-s-toys) thread. So, I don't think that society can eliminate these. At least not without extreme measures. And if actually done, I think it would be ruinous for society.

With that in mind, if you want to understand how men think, I would suggest Dr. John Gray's Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus. (http://www.amazon.com/Men-Mars-Women-Venus-Understanding/dp/0060574216) And that goes for men who want to understand how women think. Admittedly, this book is about normal relationships, not sex crimes.

Anyway, how to lower sex crimes? We all need to be more aware of the issue and we need to pay attention when we are out in situations like parties or the bar scene. This is particularly directed at college students and military personnel. When people get together and party they should not let their friends get lured away. We call it the buddy system in the army. I ran across an article yesterday directed towards bartenders and bouncers calling on them to be more proactive in watching out for predators.

Anyway, the video is very interesting.

junie
04-04-2014, 09:59 AM
...I like different perspectives...as long as it makes sense...I mean sage posts some wacky stuff, not all of it I agree with, but he has some "intriguing" arguments...same with you and codered even...I just don't have respect for "parrots", people that repeat what they are taught, even when it's nonsense...


you mean nonsense like calling ravi 'trinnity'...? :laugh:








what he actually said was that if you are to use animal examples as acceptable behaviour then rape should be acceptable if homosexuality is.


...finally someone gets it...I'm glad I never put you on ignore... http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/smile.png



surely you can figure out the difference between consensual sex and violent sex, eh kjoe?

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 09:59 AM
There was some good stuff in there too.

:(

I would imagine that your hard drive held onto them. :smiley:

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 10:00 AM
That is a good one.


Or RAVISHED

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 10:03 AM
@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399). I am listening to the video now in the background. From what I gather so far from the video, and from what you said in the OP, I agree with the men on the panel.

I understand your position about masculine and feminine, and imagine that your faith in Marxism contributes to your idea that masculinity and femininity are oppressive and purely social constructs that should be done away with.

I don't think that they are social constructs. I think that they are genetic and then reinforced by culture. I mentioned this somewhat in the Children Toys (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/24099-quot-Pinkification-quot-of-children-s-toys) thread. So, I don't think that society can eliminate these. At least not without extreme measures. And if actually done, I think it would be ruinous for society.

With that in mind, if you want to understand how men think, I would suggest Dr. John Gray's Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus. (http://www.amazon.com/Men-Mars-Women-Venus-Understanding/dp/0060574216) And that goes for men who want to understand how women think. Admittedly, this book is about normal relationships, not sex crimes.

Anyway, how to lower sex crimes? We all need to be more aware of the issue and we need to pay attention when we are out in situations like parties or the bar scene. This is particularly directed at college students and military personnel. When people get together and party they should not let their friends get lured away. We call it the buddy system in the army. I ran across an article yesterday directed towards bartenders and bouncers calling on them to be more proactive in watching out for predators.

Anyway, the video is very interesting.


...it's so simple that feminists can't figure it out, testosterone vs estrogen...even female athletes know that in certain instances a little injection of testosterone helps with drive/aggression...it's a chemical thing, not mental thing...nothing to figure out if you didn't sleep through biology...

junie
04-04-2014, 10:04 AM
I would imagine that your hard drive held onto them. :smiley:



lol at least captain is smart enough to understand it isn't a 1st amendment issue. :laugh:

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 10:07 AM
lol at least captain is smart enough to understand it isn't a 1st amendment issue. :laugh:

As is everyone else. :laugh:

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 10:09 AM
you mean nonsense like calling ravi 'trinnity'...? :laugh:




surely you can figure out the difference between consensual sex and violent sex, eh kjoe?


...trinity did the same thing ravi and now you did, looked at what I wrote and then said, "but this is what you meant...I know you wrote this, but this is what you meant..."...there is nothing to say with dishonest people like you and the sisterhood...nothing anyone can say...

The Xl
04-04-2014, 10:09 AM
Anyone have a condensed version of that? I'm not watching a 2 hour video.

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 10:11 AM
The rape questionnaire around the 50 minute mark is troublesome. There is something wrong with both men and women who said those things were OK.

junie
04-04-2014, 10:15 AM
...trinity did the same thing ravi and now you did, looked at what I wrote and then said, "but this is what you meant...I know you wrote this, but this is what you meant..."...there is nothing to say with dishonest people like you and the sisterhood...nothing anyone can say...



come on kjoe, take off your victim hat and tell me you can see the difference between consensual dolphins and violent dolphins.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 10:17 AM
Anyone have a condensed version of that? I'm not watching a 2 hour video.

Her two hour video shows that she knows zilch about men.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 10:18 AM
come on kjoe, take off your victim hat and tell me you can see the difference between consensual dolphins and violent dolphins.


...I'm not a victim, you are...I've never been raped, you probably have which is why you are a manhater...so, this is an interesting hypothesis, are you saying dolphins CAN give consent?...

The Xl
04-04-2014, 10:19 AM
Her two hour video shows that she knows zilch about men.

Haha, I could of told you that before this thread.

In any case, a quick explanation of what the video is about?

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 10:20 AM
Haha, I could of told you that before this thread.

In any case, a quick explanation of what the video is about?

Have no idea.

The Xl
04-04-2014, 10:21 AM
Have no idea.

Two hours of bullshit, huh?

Mister D
04-04-2014, 10:22 AM
Haha, I could of told you that before this thread.

In any case, a quick explanation of what the video is about?

How patriarchy and male gender roles specifically lead to rape, apparently.

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 10:22 AM
Two hours of bullshit, huh?

When I saw a panel of people and then a time of 2 hours I knew to leave well enough alone.

The Xl
04-04-2014, 10:23 AM
How patriarchy and male gender roles specifically lead to rape, apparently.

Ah.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 10:25 AM
How patriarchy and male gender roles specifically lead to rape, apparently.


...I've never been taught by anyone rape is acceptable...and the funny thing about this is already illegal, so how do we make it more unacceptable if it's already illegal?...the hormones are overflowing...

Mister D
04-04-2014, 10:27 AM
...I've never been taught by anyone rape is acceptable...and the funny thing about this is already illegal, so how do we make it more unacceptable if it's already illegal?...the hormones are overflowing...

Dude, there are elements within feminism that are just batty. I leave it at that.

Cthulhu
04-04-2014, 10:31 AM
One thing I'll point out before I get back to learning about the secrets of life in biology class is that a 2 hour video cannot possibly reveal the inner workings of how males think and operate.

Contrary to popular belief, men are just as interesting as women. They have their own intricacies and patterns. The fallacy that women are this deep sea of mystery and men are a shallow puddle with none is a romantic notion that sells many magazines and books. As is the social engineering that goes on where males are little more than the bumbling fool he is portrayed as. But it sells magazines and books, so...

It is however, not based in reality.

Men think, dream, design, destroy, love, hate, and create things - just like their counterparts, the womenfolk. To say that men are simply hormone driven fools that will hump at the sight of anything with legs (potential rapist idea) is as recoculous as saying women are nothing more than incubators for offspring.

No. I didn't watch the video. I don't need a panel of men being steered by a woman in conversation to tell me how a man operates. Being a man for 29 years gives me plenty of experience on the topic, which I would venture to say makes me more qualified to comment on the topic than any woman will ever be, regardless of degrees from prestigious universities if she has them.

Theory vs. Practice. My money is on practice.

junie
04-04-2014, 10:34 AM
"To say that men are simply hormone driven fools that will hump at the sight of anything with legs is as recoculous as..."


woopsie :laugh:

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 10:48 AM
How patriarchy and male gender roles specifically lead to rape, apparently.

No. The female moderator may hold that opinion, but the men feel that strong male role models will teach boys that rape is bad. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the men belong to the Oath Keepers organization.

Mister D
04-04-2014, 10:55 AM
No. The female moderator may hold that opinion, but the men feel that strong male role models will teach boys that rape is bad. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the men belong to the Oath Keepers organization.

The moderator as well as the OP hence my comment.

Newpublius
04-04-2014, 10:56 AM
Part of the problem I think is that the rules of modern society give us a sense of right and wrong that doesn't comport with basic survival in the natural world. Look at birds and cuckoldry, brood parasites.....even 'mafia' type behavior, ie if egg of a brood parasite is rejected the bird will attack the rejecting bird's nest.

In any event, anti-social behaviors are anti-SOCIAL behaviors because the society makes us relinquish our more natural predatory selves for norms and mores imposed by society. Naturally assault, any assault, including sexual assault is anti- social and criminal, but in a more natural world aren 't those behaviors possibly connected to certain exploitive strategies that simply confer an evolutionary advantage in a pre-civilized state?

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 11:03 AM
The moderator as well as the OP hence my comment.

Polly is entitled to her views. She certainly created a lot of discussion. 76 responses in a couple of hours- we could use more of that.

Mister D
04-04-2014, 11:04 AM
Polly is entitled to her views. She certainly created a lot of discussion. 76 responses in a couple of hours- we could use more of that.

Of course she is.

Ravi
04-04-2014, 11:10 AM
No. The female moderator may hold that opinion, but the men feel that strong male role models will teach boys that rape is bad. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the men belong to the Oath Keepers organization.
Don't most people already know that rape is bad?

Polecat
04-04-2014, 11:23 AM
Don't most people already know that rape is bad?

That's what I would have thought. Even small children know when they are misbehaving. The point where we decide to stop or go ahead is ground zero.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 11:26 AM
Part of the problem I think is that the rules of modern society give us a sense of right and wrong that doesn't comport with basic survival in the natural world. Look at birds and cuckoldry, brood parasites.....even 'mafia' type behavior, ie if egg of a brood parasite is rejected the bird will attack the rejecting bird's nest.

In any event, anti-social behaviors are anti-SOCIAL behaviors because the society makes us relinquish our more natural predatory selves for norms and mores imposed by society. Naturally assault, any assault, including sexual assault is anti- social and criminal, but in a more natural world aren 't those behaviors possibly connected to certain exploitive strategies that simply confer an evolutionary advantage in a pre-civilized state?


...I don't think rape happens in nature, in the same sense as with humans...it's something feminists came up with when watching animal breeding rituals, mainly males forcing the issue with females...the thing is the "couplings" don't happen until ultimately the female is good and ready to accept the male...if she don't want it, she will bite the shit out of a male (with dogs)...animals don't have sex, they breed, so until "nature" tells the female to do it, she won't...I think this is what happens with human males, like with mammals, the females reject the male and something internal pushes him to continue the pursuit until the female (like in nature) submits, only it doesn't happen...in animals, it's the way of nature, in humans it's rape...party rapes are different when you bring drugs and alcohol into it, it makes the victim unable to fight back...

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 11:46 AM
Don't most people already know that rape is bad?

My reaction is to say yes. That is how I was raised and lived my adult life. But the answer is no. First, my experience as a prosecutor in the Army tells me otherwise. Second, the survey questions asked of students in the OP video (I referred to it above) asked several questions of when rape is OK. A shocking percent of boys and girls agreed that rape was OK in each of the questions asked.

Codename Section
04-04-2014, 12:00 PM
...I don't think rape happens in nature, in the same sense as with humans...it's something feminists came up with when watching animal breeding rituals, mainly males forcing the issue with females...the thing is the "couplings" don't happen until ultimately the female is good and ready to accept the male...if she don't want it, she will bite the shit out of a male (with dogs)...animals don't have sex, they breed, so until "nature" tells the female to do it, she won't...I think this is what happens with human males, like with mammals, the females reject the male and something internal pushes him to continue the pursuit until the female (like in nature) submits, only it doesn't happen...in animals, it's the way of nature, in humans it's rape...party rapes are different when you bring drugs and alcohol into it, it makes the victim unable to fight back...

I might agree with this.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 12:03 PM
My reaction is to say yes. That is how I was raised and lived my adult life. But the answer is no. First, my experience as a prosecutor in the Army tells me otherwise. Second, the survey questions asked of students in the OP video (I referred to it above) asked several questions of when rape is OK. A shocking percent of boys and girls agreed that rape was OK in each of the questions asked.


...I don't think these kids understand what rape is, for example, you might be ok with it BUT it is a felony that will ruin your life FOREVER...maybe they need to be taught this in skool...

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 12:11 PM
I might agree with this.


...I had cats growing up and watching them mate was god awful...so, I could see how polly, ravi and junie would feel bad for the female during this whole process and call it rape...

Bob
04-04-2014, 12:14 PM
And then there's @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013) with his :blob7:, er, no, I mean :boobs:.

I have other photos I can use.

Forum

If my avatar offends you, please...

TELL ME

A poster did not like the huge lips on a movie star. I changed the avatar.

Captain Obvious
04-04-2014, 12:19 PM
I have other photos I can use.

Forum

If my avatar offends you, please...

TELL ME

A poster did not like the huge lips on a movie star. I changed the avatar.

Nobody is offended by your avatar. If they say otherwise, they're lying.

Trust me!

Polecat
04-04-2014, 12:21 PM
I'm offended.......that it is not my wife that hates her.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 12:21 PM
I have other photos I can use.

Forum

If my avatar offends you, please...

TELL ME

A poster did not like the huge lips on a movie star. I changed the avatar.


...personally I like your avatar...

IMPress Polly
04-04-2014, 12:43 PM
Ravi wrote:
People rape because they are fucked in the head and selfish.

Well duh. :rollseyes: That doesn't explain the gender disparity though. Seriously, if that's as deep as it goes then we're forced to draw the conclusion that there are one hell of a lot more men than women who are "fucked in the head and selfish" given that there are one hell of a lot more male rapists than female ones. Do you really believe THAT?


Peter wrote:
My reaction is to say yes. That is how I was raised and lived my adult life. But the answer is no. First, my experience as a prosecutor in the Army tells me otherwise. Second, the survey questions asked of students in the OP video (I referred to it above) asked several questions of when rape is OK. A shocking percent of boys and girls agreed that rape was OK in each of the questions asked.

Pay attention here, people: at least one person so far has actually watched the OP video. :grin:

Anyway, let me offer this view: I think we all do actually instinctively know that it's wrong to hurt other people. I mean I've shown you all that study revealing that the basics of morality actually don't need to be taught because they're natural. But the thing is this: that basic moral sensibility can be trained out of people by society. And, to a considerable degree, it often is. Don't think that things like parental abuse or watching hours of rape porn every day or peer pressure, for example, can have no deleterious impact on one's moral sensibility. One picks up lessons from the society around them. The socialization process matters and it can yield some pretty shocking results sometimes.

Ravi
04-04-2014, 01:01 PM
Well duh. :rollseyes: That doesn't explain the gender disparity though. Seriously, if that's as deep as it goes then we're forced to draw the conclusion that there are one hell of a lot more men than women who are "fucked in the head and selfish" given that there are one hell of a lot more male rapists than female ones. Do you really believe THAT?




Women can be as evil as men, they just express it differently. Some of your points are valid and it may be true that rape porn helps cause rape. But rape has been around a lot longer than porn.

I heard an interesting theory recently about how violence in general was higher in the period of time where lead was more common in the environment and it has dropped off since we've worked to get lead out of paint and gasoline. I don't know if that can be related to rape in any way because I really have no idea if there is more rape now or less rape.

But if we outlaw men it is probably true that crime will drop across all categories. ;)

Paperback Writer
04-04-2014, 01:05 PM
Well duh. :rollseyes: That doesn't explain the gender disparity though. Seriously, if that's as deep as it goes then we're forced to draw the conclusion that there are one hell of a lot more men than women who are "fucked in the head and selfish" given that there are one hell of a lot more male rapists than female ones. Do you really believe THAT?


It's harder for women to rape than men. You'd have to force me down, sexually arouse me, and then sit on top of me. That's a lot of fucking work for someone who isn't as strong as I am.

The Xl
04-04-2014, 01:06 PM
Right. Female rape isn't as common as male rape, because even if the desire is their, they aren't physically able to do it most of the time.

Chris
04-04-2014, 01:36 PM
I have other photos I can use.

Forum

If my avatar offends you, please...

TELL ME

A poster did not like the huge lips on a movie star. I changed the avatar.


Just joshing with you. :-P

Chris
04-04-2014, 01:39 PM
Pay attention here, people: at least one person so far has actually watched the OP video.

Are you saying you didn't?

Polecat
04-04-2014, 01:43 PM
The need for a female to rape a male is far FAR far less likely as men are too easily seduced.

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 01:50 PM
Are you saying you didn't? I think that she meant other than her. :smiley:

Chris
04-04-2014, 01:51 PM
I think that she meant other than her. :smiley:

:grin:

Ravi
04-04-2014, 01:51 PM
The need for a female to rape a male is far FAR far less likely as men are too easily seduced.
"To a woman, sex is like the garbage man. You just take for granted the fact that any time you put some trash out on the street, a guy in a jumpsuit's gonna come along and pick it up." - Jerry to Elaine

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 01:51 PM
The need for a female to rape a male is far FAR far less likely as men are too easily seduced.

A lot of this is statutory rape. Where the male is too young to understand the ramifications of what will happen.

Polecat
04-04-2014, 02:08 PM
A lot of this is statutory rape. Where the male is too young to understand the ramifications of what will happen.

That is a legality. I would have been delighted to be violated by older women once the horny toad awoke.

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 02:19 PM
That is a legality. I would have been delighted to be violated by older women once the horny toad awoke.

Yes, that is what all men say. But in reality it can really mess up his ability to have relationships with girls his own age.

MrJimmyDale
04-04-2014, 02:22 PM
Yes, that is what all men say. But in reality it can really mess up his ability to have relationships with girls his own age. I started young!!!

I've never had any relationship issues.....

Bob
04-04-2014, 02:23 PM
TO ALL:



Right there you have it! Right there, in Codename's first post, is our first example on this thread of men putting other men into the oppressive box that leads to an unnatural supply of pent up anger and frustration that I described in the OP. He couldn't possibly have watched the video because it's two hours long and he replied within five minutes of my posting it. Thus we know that this isn't exactly his informed opinion, but rather simply petty posturing, as if to assure you that "real men" don't care about these things; that it's weak to do so. It's not! The intellectually weak person here is the one incapable of thinking outside the realm of what might make them popular in the present context, toward the end of changing that context.

I am not going to watch the video. So let me tell you why I can give you my view easier by not watching it than by watching the men posture.

Maybe I have been blessed. Once I attained a certain age, I noticed that rather than being a follower, I was the followed.

I have never had a man who raped tell me why he raped.

I know I would not rape. I bonded with Mom and Dad who taught the children decent values. We went to church.

Some tell us it is power. I say, if that is a manifestation of power, I sure don't want any of it.

I honestly can't explain rape. It is a vile crime. I can't explain hit and runs either. I can't explain willfully harming others. As a youth, it could happen, but kids are still growing up.

Somebody that raped might know why a man rapes.

The Sage of Main Street
04-04-2014, 03:53 PM
I think you're about 40 years behind the reality.

Men today are shamed if they want to play with gun toys, swords, etc. Men have been told for 20-30 years that crying is good. Be sensitive. Boys and girls are the same. All that crap. It's why guys where skinny jeans, carry man bags, and wear plaid shirts buttoned up to the top so they can go to a coffee shop and look like a film writer as they sip their delicately made drinks and look smart over their macbook.

OLD SCHOOL: Glory
NEW AGE: Girly

OLD SCHOOL: Destiny
NEW AGE: Dust

OLD SCHOOL: Momentum
NEW AGE: Muumuu

The Sage of Main Street
04-04-2014, 04:03 PM
Science is now politicized.

Research scientists outside of psychology, the ones that actually find the causes for our reactions,
I do cry. I don't feel like I can't. After all that combat I have literally an ocean of sadness inside me. Someday when I have time I'll lay on the floor and create a swimming pool in my bedroom. I'm not afraid to show my emotions, but my life is such that I just don't have time for it right now.

I only cried once over Vietnam, and that was 5 months after I got out of combat. It was in a situation where I finally realized what those who had died would never have. Before that, I was numb. The shock had a hold on my ability to feel really alive. When the hold broke, it all came gushing out.

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 04:34 PM
A lot of this is statutory rape. Where the male is too young to understand the ramifications of what will happen.


...seriously?...hard-on, hole, feels wonderful...I don't get what's bad about it unless you get a horrible STD...

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 04:36 PM
...seriously?...hard-on, hole, feels wonderful...I don't get what's bad about it unless you get a horrible STD...

I am OK that you don't get it. Really. :smiley:

Kabuki Joe
04-04-2014, 04:47 PM
I am not going to watch the video. So let me tell you why I can give you my view easier by not watching it than by watching the men posture.

Maybe I have been blessed. Once I attained a certain age, I noticed that rather than being a follower, I was the followed.

I have never had a man who raped tell me why he raped.

I know I would not rape. I bonded with Mom and Dad who taught the children decent values. We went to church.

Some tell us it is power. I say, if that is a manifestation of power, I sure don't want any of it.

I honestly can't explain rape. It is a vile crime. I can't explain hit and runs either. I can't explain willfully harming others. As a youth, it could happen, but kids are still growing up.

Somebody that raped might know why a man rapes.


...we can ask this guy what's it like to be a rapist...oh wait, he didn't do it...

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brian-Banks-Rape-Case-Exonerated-NFL-Atlanta-Falcons-218978851.html

The Sage of Main Street
04-05-2014, 10:15 AM
...seriously?...hard-on, hole, feels wonderful...I don't get what's bad about it unless you get a horrible STD...

These lying agendists don't get it either. But that isn't what matters to them. They want us to be all one gender, so they have to equate this with a 13-year-old girl getting raped by a 26-year-old man.

The Sage of Main Street
04-05-2014, 10:28 AM
...we can ask this guy what's it like to be a rapist...oh wait, he didn't do it...

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brian-Banks-Rape-Case-Exonerated-NFL-Atlanta-Falcons-218978851.html

He gets 5 years in prison; the scam artist gets $1.5 million. More evidence that the unisexers are really after lucrative lawsuits. In the national mood they've somehow had the power to create, who would doubt the word of a teenage girl?

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 07:28 AM
Ravi wrote:
But if we outlaw men it is probably true that crime will drop across all categories. ;)

lol, that's true, but we need men to survive as a species. Maybe then we should try to reform men instead of abolishing them. :wink: But reforming men in the manner so desired also includes reforming our expectations of men. We have to change too. And we can't very well make those changes in any event without understanding where men are coming from.

My point in highlighting the unusually large gender disparity in the distribution of this particular kind of crime -- sexual violence -- is that this is more of a gender issue than other crimes, which in turn requires that we come to grips with the different ways in which girls and boys, men and women, are currently being socialized in order to address it in a more effective way. I don't think we as women fully understand the peculiarities of what today is the male experience, so I think we need to go to the source and ask men. That's why I sought to do in the OP.

The role of lead aside (:wink:), I still believe that the gender roles society assigns to men and women respectively are very much at the root of all this. In terms of the changes we (women) need to make in order to reduce the amount of male violence in society in general and sexual violence in particular, we can't continue to idealize the concept of male invincibility -- of men as protectors of women -- as a value and expect this change to occur. We have a responsibility too. However deep-rooted this ideal is in our own proverbial DNA, we need to learn to transcend it and start valuing other things more in the opposite sex. Things other than just force and power, I mean.

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 07:35 AM
Why do you feel that men as protectors causes rape? The feelings are very different.

You say you want to know why men rape, right? You really want to know because I have actually witnessed and stopped a rape before.

Rape is not sexual. It is not about desire. It is about anger sometimes. It's about power more often.

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 07:35 AM
Reform? :shakeshead:



lol, that's true, but we need men to survive as a species. Maybe then we should try to reform men instead of abolishing them. :wink: But reforming men in the manner so desired also includes reforming our expectations of men. We have to change too. And we can't very well make those changes in any event without understanding where men are coming from.

My point in highlighting the unusually large gender disparity in the distribution of this particular kind of crime -- sexual violence -- is that this is more of a gender issue than other crimes, which in turn requires that we come to grips with the different ways in which girls and boys, men and women, are currently being socialized in order to address it in a more effective way. I don't think we as women fully understand the peculiarities of what today is the male experience, so I think we need to go to the source and ask men. That's why I sought to do in the OP.

The role of lead aside (:wink:), I still believe that the gender roles society assigns to men and women respectively are very much at the root of all this. In terms of the changes we (women) need to make in order to reduce the amount of male violence in society in general and sexual violence in particular, we can't continue to idealize the concept of male invincibility -- of men as protectors of women -- as a value and expect this change to occur. We have a responsibility too. However deep-rooted this ideal is in our own proverbial DNA, we need to learn to transcend it and start valuing other things more in the opposite sex. Things other than just force and power, I mean.

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 07:36 AM
I'm curious now though.

@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399)

why do you feel men don't want to be warriors and that it is a learned thing?

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 08:04 AM
Codename Section wrote:
I'm curious now though.

@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399)

why do you feel men don't want to be warriors and that it is a learned thing?

Because there are "warriors", there are bronies, and there are lots of other kinds of boys and men. Different people like different things. Not every guy is obsessed with the stereotypical sports, guns, cars, beer, and sex dynamic. My boyfriend, for example, is no meat-head. (He's not a brony either, but it wouldn't be morally wrong if he were.) There are lots of boys and men out there who, heaven forbid, are into stereotypically "girly" things. There are lots and lots of boys who like the color pink, who prefer playing with baby dolls instead of with hero dolls (er, "action figures", sorry), who would rather garden or cook than play sports, and so on. Today My Little Pony's fan base is more male than female! The show Girly Men took off in Japan and became a huge hit, with millions of men relating to the sentiment of feeling confined to stereotypically male interests and unable to go public with their softer side for fear of social retribution! This is real. It's perfectly normal for men to be dynamic, complex actors, not just an archetype, and for different men to lean more in one direction than the other. All men, like all women, have a softer side. Maybe it's an individual's dominant side and maybe it's not, but it isn't natural for them to have to suppress it on pain of being ostracized by both men and women. (Though mostly it's men who do the ostracizing of other men. Statistically speaking, you guys are harder on yourselves than we are on you.) It's just stigmatized for there to exist any kind of man other than this particular kind we've prescribed as a society. It's just a cultural limit that society imposes in order to engineer the existence of a distinct "male value system" and "female value system" that corresponds to certain definite social roles, job types, etc.

As I've pointed out, boys have to be told not to cry by their parents. Why would you have to be told if it were natural (as in to say instinctive) to suppress your emotions that way? Men are not invincible. Nobody is.

I just don't think we should promote archetypal views of whole groups of people; whole sexes in this case.

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:08 AM
Bronies? I don't think anyone ever told me not to cry. It just isn't cool.



Because there are "warriors", there are bronies, and there are lots of other kinds of boys and men. Different people like different things. Not every guy is obsessed with the stereotypical sports, guns, cars, beer, and sex dynamic. My boyfriend, for example, is no meat-head. (He's not a brony either, but it wouldn't be morally wrong if he were.) There are lots of boys and men out there who, heaven forbid, are into stereotypically "girly" things. There are lots and lots of boys who like the color pink, who prefer playing with baby dolls instead of with hero dolls (er, "action figures", sorry), who would rather garden or cook than play sports, and so on. Today My Little Pony's fan base is more male than female! The show Girly Men took off in Japan and became a huge hit, with millions of men relating to the sentiment of feeling confined to stereotypically male interests and unable to go public with their softer side for fear of social retribution! This is real. It's perfectly normal for men to be dynamic, complex actors, not just an archetype, and for different men to lean more in one direction than the other. All men, like all women, have a softer side. Maybe it's an individual's dominant side and maybe it's not, but it isn't natural for them to have to suppress it on pain of being ostracized by both men and women. (Though mostly it's men who do the ostracizing of other men. Statistically speaking, you guys are harder on yourselves than we are.) It's just stigmatized for there to exist any kind of man other than this particular kind we've prescribed as a society. It's just a cultural limit that we impose in order to engineer the existence of a distinct "male value system" and "female value system".

As I've pointed out, boys have to be told no to cry by their parents. Why would you have to be told if it were natural (as in to say instinctive) to suppress your emotions that way? Men are not invincible. Nobody is.

I just don't think we should promote archetypal views of whole groups of people; whole sexes in this case.

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:14 AM
Because there are "warriors", there are bronies, and there are lots of other kinds of boys and men.

I think the bronies and other men are socialized by modern progressive thought movements to believe they don't want to be warriors and they want to be little ponies. You've had a hundred years of training men to be huggy feelie.



As I've pointed out, boys have to be told no to cry by their parents. Why would you have to be told if it were natural (as in to say instinctive) to suppress your emotions that way? Men are not invincible. Nobody is.


They have been? You know this about boys? My mother let me cry. All mothers let their sons cry and fathers tell them not to cry. You get both measures so there's a balance.

I cry. I cried during that horse movie. I cried watching the Saints win the Superbowl. I cried when I lost my buddy Sully in Afghanistan. I cry all the time.



I just don't think we should promote archetypal views of whole groups of people; whole sexes in this case.

Who is promoting that anymore? Seriously. There is more promotion of metrosexuality and homosexuality and hipster life than warrior stuff. We just rebel against it because deep down we want to fight.

Even Green Arrow who's a bisexual liberal commie kid, when you get him around marines he's all excited and wanting to shoot his bow and arrow and mix shit up.

Inside all of us, even your boyfriend, is a warrior trying to get out. Modern cubicle living is just destroying men.

Kabuki Joe
04-06-2014, 08:14 AM
Because there are "warriors", there are bronies, and there are lots of other kinds of boys and men. Different people like different things. Not every guy is obsessed with the stereotypical sports, guns, cars, beer, and sex dynamic. My boyfriend, for example, is no meat-head. (He's not a brony either, but it wouldn't be morally wrong if he were.) There are lots of boys and men out there who, heaven forbid, are into stereotypically "girly" things. There are lots and lots of boys who like the color pink, who prefer playing with baby dolls instead of with hero dolls (er, "action figures", sorry), who would rather garden or cook than play sports, and so on. Today My Little Pony's fan base is more male than female! The show Girly Men took off in Japan and became a huge hit, with millions of men relating to the sentiment of feeling confined to stereotypically male interests and unable to go public with their softer side for fear of social retribution! This is real. It's perfectly normal for men to be dynamic, complex actors, not just an archetype, and for different men to lean more in one direction than the other. All men, like all women, have a softer side. Maybe it's an individual's dominant side and maybe it's not, but it isn't natural for them to have to suppress it on pain of being ostracized by both men and women. (Though mostly it's men who do the ostracizing of other men. Statistically speaking, you guys are harder on yourselves than we are on you.) It's just stigmatized for there to exist any kind of man other than this particular kind we've prescribed as a society. It's just a cultural limit that we impose in order to engineer the existence of a distinct "male value system" and "female value system".

As I've pointed out, boys have to be told no to cry by their parents. Why would you have to be told if it were natural (as in to say instinctive) to suppress your emotions that way? Men are not invincible. Nobody is.

I just don't think we should promote archetypal views of whole groups of people; whole sexes in this case.


...for someone so smart you just don't get it:

"Some people maintain that the word sex should be reserved for reference to the biological aspects of being male or female or to sexual activity, and that the word gender should be used only to refer to sociocultural roles. Accordingly, one would say The effectiveness of the treatment appears to depend on the sex of the patient and In society, gender roles are clearly defined. In some situations this distinction avoids ambiguity, as in gender research, which is clear in a way that sex research is not. The distinction can be problematic, however. Linguistically, there isn't any real difference between gender bias and sex bias, and it may seem contrived to insist that sex is incorrect in this instance.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#cite_note-ahdictionary.com.2C_5th_ed-9)"



...biological sex doesn't change with society, but gender roles do...so as society changes "males" can become more feminine or become "women"...remember biological sex vs gender...

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 08:16 AM
Peter wrote:
Bronies?

'Brony' is a common cultural term for a male fan of My Little Pony. It's a combination of the terms "bro" and "pony".

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:18 AM
'Brony' is a common cultural term for a male fan of My Little Pony (http://whatisabrony.com/). It's a combination of the terms "bro" and "pony".

And that is society propagandizing men and twisting them into a harmless form that is easily controlled. If bronyism were natural the apex predator would no longer look like man but would be a saber tooth tiger.

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:18 AM
'Brony' is a common cultural term for a male fan of My Little Pony (http://whatisabrony.com/). It's a combination of the terms "bro" and "pony".

I am speechless. Thank god I was born before this weirdness took over. :smiley:

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:19 AM
I am speechless. Thank god I was born before this weirdness took over. :smiley:

But apparently this is naturally occurring, Pete, that men just want to be ponies. Has nothing to do with their girlfriends or television or the culture they surround themselves with.

The world is trying to force them to be warriors and but they're fighting the power to be their pony selves. :rollseyes:

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:20 AM
But apparently this is naturally occurring, Pete, that men just want to be ponies. Has nothing to do with their girlfriends or television or the culture they surround themselves with.

The world is trying to force them to be warriors and but they're fighting the power to be their pony selves. :rollseyes:

OK. I will just stay alone and smile.

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 08:24 AM
Codename Section wrote:
Inside all of us, even your boyfriend, is a warrior trying to get out. Modern cubicle living is just destroying men.

I think you're just being overly simplistic, and in a way that corresponds to social rules that limit the potential of both sexes. People should be allowed to develop individually rather than being assigned categorical roles based on their sex, I believe.


But apparently this is naturally occurring, Pete, that men just want to be ponies. Has nothing to do with their girlfriends or television or the culture they surround themselves with.

The world is trying to force them to be warriors and but they're fighting the power to be their pony selves. http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/newsmilies/rolleyes.gif

Yes, actually it is a naturally occurring phenomenon. There is no grand conspiracy by feminists to reverse the existing gender roles so that women that reign supreme over men or whatever. :rollseyes:

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:25 AM
OK. I will just stay alone and smile.

Women, especially progressive women, want to believe that it is "society" that makes men want to fight, be aggressive and not love bright colored ponies and shit. They lay this line out like its the 1870s or something. Look at television, at Hollywood, at the pop acts--society is pushing men to be fruitty.

I cannot tell you how many women have told me that they are so glad to be with a guy who is a guy and not spend all his time in the bathroom.

Women say they want men to be sensitive and well groomed and who likes to watch boring movies with them, but when they get that they'll just start to look for a more manly guy who will change the oil in their car, protect them from bad guys, and doesn't care about being dirty.

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:28 AM
I know. If men became what Polly is advocating for, most women would be sick over it. (Not saying that Polly isn't sincere- she is.)


Women, especially progressive women, want to believe that it is "society" that makes men want to fight, be aggressive and not love bright colored ponies and shit. They lay this line out like its the 1870s or something. Look at television, at Hollywood, at the pop acts--society is pushing men to be fruitty.

I cannot tell you how many women have told me that they are so glad to be with a guy who is a guy and not spend all his time in the bathroom.

Women say they want men to be sensitive and well groomed and who likes to watch boring movies with them, but when they get that they'll just start to look for a more manly guy who will change the oil in their car, protect them from bad guys, and doesn't care about being dirty.

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:29 AM
I think you're just being overly simplistic, and in a way that corresponds to social rules that limit the potential of both sexes. People should be allowed to develop individually rather than being assigned categorical roles based on their sex, I believe.

Yes, actually it is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

I think you are being overly indoctrinated and ignore the mass push of media to make men more gender neutral and submissive.

You don't believe we should develop individually. You're a self-proclaimed Marxist communist. You believe we should develop in ways that support the type of society you believe we should live in.

I actually think you're a smart chick, Polly, but I do read your posts and you do a lot of "telling"--especially when it comes to men. Even this thread was allegedly about asking, but it was sort of you telling yet again.

I don't know what it feels like to be a woman or how women feel about things. I know how men do, but more specifically how I do. I wouldn't even think to start a thread (except as a joke) about Understanding Women.

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 08:35 AM
Codename Section wrote:
Look at television, at Hollywood, at the pop acts--society is pushing men to be fruitty.

First of all, being vulnerable doesn't make you a weak person and it doesn't make you gay (as if there would be something wrong with being gay in any event). We all have weaknesses. That doesn't make us weak people.

Secondly, I definitely see the opposite when I look at the prevailing tendencies in art and entertainment.

But anyway, I can see that I'm just talking to the wall here. Nothing I'm saying is getting through.

Kabuki Joe
04-06-2014, 08:35 AM
I think you're just being overly simplistic, and in a way that corresponds to social rules that limit the potential of both sexes. People should be allowed to develop individually rather than being assigned categorical roles based on their sex, I believe.



Yes, actually it is a naturally occurring phenomenon. There is no grand conspiracy by feminists to reverse the existing gender roles so that women that reign supreme over men or whatever. :rollseyes:


...you are being dishonest...you don't want males to act like men, you want males to act like women...you are 2nd place and you don't like it so you want to change the rules...

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:37 AM
First of all, being vulnerable doesn't make you a weak person and it doesn't make you gay (as if there would be something wrong with being gay in any event).

Secondly, I definitely see the opposite when I look at the prevailing tendencies in art and entertainment.

But anyway, I can see that I'm just talking to the wall here. Nothing I'm saying is getting through.

It is getting through. I just disagree. :smiley:

Can't I just stay the way that I am?

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 08:41 AM
First of all, being vulnerable doesn't make you a weak person and it doesn't make you gay (as if there would be something wrong with being gay in any event). We all have weaknesses. That doesn't make us weak people.

Secondly, I definitely see the opposite when I look at the prevailing tendencies in art and entertainment.

But anyway, I can see that I'm just talking to the wall here. Nothing I'm saying is getting through.

^^This IMPress Polly is why I have a difficult time with you. You think you're right and that if I would only just listen I could be enlightened. It shows me that you think I'm stupid and stubborn.

I am a man. I know what influences I see directed at me. I know how I feel better than you do, but you seem to think I just need to be reeducated or something.

I just don't agree with you. That's it.

IMPress Polly
04-06-2014, 08:43 AM
Peter wrote:
It is getting through. I just disagree. :smiley:

Can't I just stay the way that I am?

You can be however you want to be as far as I'm concerned. That's my whole point! I just think that you, me, and everyone, should also allow others be the how they want to be. That would represent a change from the status quo wherein the respective sexes, as whole groups, are broadly assigned specific kinds of social roles to play, which is why I used the term 'reform' to describe it.

Isn't that what individualists are supposedly all about: evaluating people individually rather than as whole groups?

I simply believe that both women and men should be afforded more life options and seen as complex creatures, not archetypes.


Kabuki Joe wrote:
...you are being dishonest...you don't want males to act like men, you want males to act like women...you are 2nd place and you don't like it so you want to change the rules...

And how do women act, oh enlightened one?

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 08:52 AM
Thanks. :smiley: I am not a male chauvinist pig but I am old school man.


You can be however you want to be as far as I'm concerned. That's my whole point! I just think that you, me, and everyone, should also allow others be the how they want to be. That would represent a change from the status quo wherein the respective sexes, as whole groups, are broadly assigned specific kinds of social roles to play, which is why I used the term 'reform' to describe it.

Isn't that what individualists are supposedly all about: evaluating people individually rather than as whole groups?



And how do women act, oh enlightened one?

Codename Section
04-06-2014, 09:00 AM
You can be however you want to be as far as I'm concerned. That's my whole point! I just think that you, me, and everyone, should also allow others be the how they want to be. That would represent a change from the status quo wherein the respective sexes, as whole groups, are broadly assigned specific kinds of social roles to play, which is why I used the term 'reform' to describe it.


But you don't just allow, you subtly push. You push to subtly "balance" things because you feel it's lopsided.



And how do women act, oh enlightened one?

For one, they believe they are mind readers. For two, they like to tell men how we should act. For three, they also tend to think that everyone wants or likes to cry.

I could go on.

Chris
04-06-2014, 09:07 AM
^^This IMPress Polly is why I have a difficult time with you. You think you're right and that if I would only just listen I could be enlightened. It shows me that you think I'm stupid and stubborn.

I am a man. I know what influences I see directed at me. I know how I feel better than you do, but you seem to think I just need to be reeducated or something.

I just don't agree with you. That's it.


That's the way a lot of people are, self-righteous and unable to discuss or argue, you don't agree with them, you're wrong, there's something wrong with you.


Speaking of sex segregation [in prison], there have been recent calls to end the ban on women in combat units, but there’s no mention of the Army’s sexist physical fitness test. For a male 17-21 years of age to pass, he must do 35 pushups, do 47 situps and run 2 miles in 16 minutes, 36 seconds. His female counterpart, who receives the same pay, can pass the fitness test by doing a mere 13 pushups, doing 47 situps and running 2 miles in 19 minutes, 42 seconds (http://tinyurl.com/yaphmzl). How can anyone who values equality and self-respect tolerate this gross discrimination? You say, “Williams, what’s your solution?” I say we should either force women to come up to the physical fitness standards for men or pass men who meet the female standards of fitness. Maybe we should ask our adversaries which is better — raising female fitness standards or lowering those of males.

Walter Williams, Sex and Race Equality (http://capitalismmagazine.com/2014/04/sex-race-equality/)


When men have been reformed to have babies, let me know.

Kabuki Joe
04-06-2014, 09:34 AM
You can be however you want to be as far as I'm concerned. That's my whole point! I just think that you, me, and everyone, should also allow others be the how they want to be. That would represent a change from the status quo wherein the respective sexes, as whole groups, are broadly assigned specific kinds of social roles to play, which is why I used the term 'reform' to describe it.

Isn't that what individualists are supposedly all about: evaluating people individually rather than as whole groups?

I simply believe that both women and men should be afforded more life options and seen as complex creatures, not archetypes.



And how do women act, oh enlightened one?


...traditionally women stayed at home, cooking, cleaning, and taking care of the children while the man was out in the world doing business, whatever that might be...body chemistry (testosterone & estrogen) for a long time determined what your role in society was, it's natural, but now the "natural roles" are being replaced by what society deems acceptable...but only in the west...everywhere else, where there aren't laws to promote female growth and stifle males, it's still the way it was for thousands of years, males/men make the rules...

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 10:00 AM
Even @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) who's a bisexual liberal commie kid, when you get him around marines he's all excited and wanting to shoot his bow and arrow and mix shit up.

Inside all of us, even your boyfriend, is a warrior trying to get out. Modern cubicle living is just destroying men.

Not gonna lie. Inside this pacifist is a Viking that wants to run around raiding shit. People like Max Rockatansky start talking about big cities in anarchism attacking the little cities and I'm just like bring it motherfucker let's have some fun.

Chris
04-06-2014, 10:05 AM
Not gonna lie. Inside this pacifist is a Viking that wants to run around raiding shit. People like Max Rockatansky start talking about big cities in anarchism attacking the little cities and I'm just like bring it motherfucker let's have some fun.



That would be self-defense and justified.

Terminal Lance
04-06-2014, 10:09 AM
Not gonna lie. Inside this pacifist is a Viking that wants to run around raiding shit. People like @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575) start talking about big cities in anarchism attacking the little cities and I'm just like bring it motherfucker let's have some fun.

So you're saying we've been a good influence on you, devil pup?

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 10:13 AM
So you're saying we've been a good influence on you, devil pup?

That would be correct, yes :tongue: Living in the South has helped, too. Hanging out with your friends down here means hunting, trap shooting, fishing, etc.

The Sage of Main Street
04-06-2014, 02:54 PM
And that is society propagandizing men and twisting them into a harmless form that is easily controlled. .

Controlled by the corporations, too. A real man would walk into his boss's office, grab that Sissy in a Suitcoat by the tie, slam his face into his desk and say, "You pay us what we tell you to pay us, fancypants! If you say you can't afford it, get a broom! Because if you can't make money without cheating us, you're too stupid to be a boss and only smart enough to be a janitor."

The Sage of Main Street
04-06-2014, 02:58 PM
'Brony' is a common cultural term for a male fan of My Little Pony. It's a combination of the terms "bro" and "pony".

Is that like an adult male fan of My Pet Goat?

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 03:03 PM
^^This @IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399) is why I have a difficult time with you. You think you're right and that if I would only just listen I could be enlightened. It shows me that you think I'm stupid and stubborn.

I am a man. I know what influences I see directed at me. I know how I feel better than you do, but you seem to think I just need to be reeducated or something.

I just don't agree with you. That's it.

They want US to be like the pathetic Liberal beta men with no morals who will stand by like sheep and do whatever they say, speechless as they are used and their babies aborted at the will of a woman.

That's the real agenda here.

/Edit: Sorry, Liberals, I'm an ALPHA MALE for LIFE. I don't resent that or want to change it. I enjoy the way women look at me with my superior genes and their primal urge all but takes over. :afro:

The Sage of Main Street
04-06-2014, 03:04 PM
But apparently this is naturally occurring, Pete, that men just want to be ponies. Has nothing to do with their girlfriends or television or the culture they surround themselves with.

The world is trying to force them to be warriors and but they're fighting the power to be their pony selves. :rollseyes:

Do they saddle up their ponies and mosey on up Brokeback Mountain?

Mister D
04-06-2014, 03:06 PM
I am speechless. Thank god I was born before this weirdness took over. :smiley:

Wait...what? There are male fans of My Little Pony?

The Sage of Main Street
04-06-2014, 03:11 PM
I cannot tell you how many women have told me that they are so glad to be with a guy who is a guy and not spend all his time in the bathroom.

Women say they want men to be sensitive and well groomed and who likes to watch boring movies with them, but when they get that they'll just start to look for a more manly guy who will change the oil in their car, protect them from bad guys, and doesn't care about being dirty.

Are you saying that Polly wants a Cracker?

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 03:11 PM
Wait...what? There are male fans of My Little Pony?

Not "male" in the way you and I use the term. Liberal beta male types.

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 03:56 PM
Controlled by the corporations, too. A real man would walk into his boss's office, grab that Sissy in a Suitcoat by the tie, slam his face into his desk and say, "You pay us what we tell you to pay us, fancypants! If you say you can't afford it, get a broom! Because if you can't make money without cheating us, you're too stupid to be a boss and only smart enough to be a janitor."

Sounds like a union. How is that working out? :wink:

sachem
04-06-2014, 06:09 PM
They want US to be like the pathetic Liberal beta men with no morals who will stand by like sheep and do whatever they say, speechless as they are used and their babies aborted at the will of a woman.

That's the real agenda here.

/Edit: Sorry, Liberals, I'm an ALPHA MALE for LIFE. I don't resent that or want to change it. I enjoy the way women look at me with my superior genes and their primal urge all but takes over. :afro:If you have to tell us you are an alpha male, you aren't. ;)

Alyosha
04-06-2014, 06:17 PM
I think that we are individuals first, and male and female second. You can't understand men, you can make observations based off gender, sex, biology, etc but to understand men you'd have to accept that whatever observations made are tailored to individuals and accept total anomalies.

And i I didn't even touch on culture...

Peter1469
04-06-2014, 06:20 PM
If you have to tell us you are an alpha male, you aren't. ;)

So true. I just spit all over my monitor. Stop that. :wink:

sachem
04-06-2014, 06:46 PM
So true. I just spit all over my monitor. Stop that. :wink:Sorry. :D

Max Rockatansky
04-06-2014, 07:09 PM
Not gonna lie. Inside this pacifist is a Viking that wants to run around raiding shit. People like @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575) start talking about big cities in anarchism attacking the little cities and I'm just like bring it motherfucker let's have some fun.

The little motherfuckers would die gloriously! They'd have a whole paragraph in the history books, I'm sure.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 10:46 PM
If you have to tell us you are an alpha male, you aren't. ;)

That's a great argument.

Let me know when you have something concrete to debate me with.

I'm in no mood for progressive idiocy.

/Edit reported for attacking me.

Do you know how this works? You can attack my messages, but you can't attack me.

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 10:49 PM
That's a great argument.

Let me know when you have something concrete to debate me with.

I'm in no mood for progressive idiocy.

/Edit reported for attacking me.

Do you know how this works? You can attack my messages, but you can't attack me.

Really? You're going to talk up how much of an "alpha male" you are, then report someone over a silly joke?

Fail.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 10:54 PM
Really? You're going to talk up how much of an "alpha male" you are, then report someone over a silly joke?

Fail.

I don't joke when it comes to attacks on me as a person.

I take them very seriously.

Especially stuff like that, so pathetic and petty that there's really no way to prove just how alpha I really am.

Are we going to try and get personal attacks like that off the forum or not?

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 10:55 PM
I don't joke when it comes to attacks on me as a person.

I take them very seriously.

Especially stuff like that, so pathetic and petty that there's really no way to prove just how alpha I really am.

Are we going to try and get personal attacks like that off the forum or not?

I don't consider it a personal attack, but we'll see what the others think.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 10:59 PM
I don't consider it a personal attack, but we'll see what the others think.

They're saying if I say something (that I already have said) then I'm not what I say I am. There's no way to debate that, but here, is this a personal attack?:

If you have to say
If you have to tell us you are an alpha male, you aren't. then you're a pathetic spineless worthless useless Liberal bitch with a stick up your ass and jelly in your head where your brain should be.

Do you now see why it's a personal attack? She could have said whatever she wanted to, and there's no way to debate it.

If you have to say
I don't consider it a personal attack, but we'll see what the others think. then you're a mod with no testicles who should turn your power over to someone who would bring justice to the forum.

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 11:01 PM
They're saying if I say something (that I already have said) then I'm not what I say I am. There's no way to debate that, but here, is this a personal attack?:

If you have to say then you're a pathetic spineless worthless useless Liberal bitch with a stick up your ass and jelly in your head where your brain should be.

Do you now see why it's a personal attack? She could have said whatever she wanted to, and there's no way to debate it.

If you have to say then you're a mod with no testicles who should turn over your power over to someone who would bring justice to the forum.

Uh-huh. I'll get right on that.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 11:02 PM
Uh-huh. I'll get right on that.

Great. Any questions?

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 11:04 PM
Great. Any questions?

No, just a word of advice. You might want to look up "alpha male" in the dictionary, 'cause I don't think you'll find whining on the internet in there.

sachem
04-06-2014, 11:05 PM
That's a great argument.

Let me know when you have something concrete to debate me with.

I'm in no mood for progressive idiocy.

/Edit reported for attacking me.

Do you know how this works? You can attack my messages, but you can't attack me.I did "attack" your message. You stated it. I refuted it

And thanks for reporting my "attack". Proves my point.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 11:11 PM
Unlike your last post, I am not going to hit "View Post" on it. I know what to expect. More attacks on me because you can't debate the points found in my posts. You'll stay ignored, pathetic progressive.


No, just a word of advice. You might want to look up "alpha male" in the dictionary, 'cause I don't think you'll find whining on the internet in there.

And you might want to look up "whining," because you clearly have no idea what it means.

Why do you feel the need to manufacture whining? Is there nothing with SUBSTANCE that you have to debate me with?

Am I the only one here armed with the truth?

sachem
04-06-2014, 11:17 PM
A bit thinned skinned for a forum.

Green Arrow
04-06-2014, 11:18 PM
Unlike your last post, I am not going to hit "View Post" on it. I know what to expect. More attacks on me because you can't debate the points found in my posts. You'll stay ignored, pathetic progressive.



And you might want to look up "whining," because you clearly have no idea what it means.

Why do you feel the need to manufacture whining? Is there nothing with SUBSTANCE that you have to debate me with?

Am I the only one here armed with the truth?

No, but you certainly are armed with a giant head.

GrassrootsConservative
04-06-2014, 11:22 PM
No, but you certainly are armed with a giant head.

Two giant heads, actually. One is needed to house my giant brain, used to intellectually defeat the progressive plague in America, and the other... well that's not relevant.

sachem
04-06-2014, 11:31 PM
He continues to serve up these big fat ones. I could hit them out of the park. But I won't.

I will bow out, for now.

Spectre
04-06-2014, 11:40 PM
The OP seems to be all over the map. Not sure what is being asked: why men rape?

Why do men murder? Why do women have abortions? Why do some bank manager embezzle? Why do fools fall in love....

And man!! Brevity is the soul of wit. A few bullet points in the form of punchy declarative sentences would have helped.

And...A TWO HOUR+ VIDEO?!?!?!:shocked: SERIOUSLY?!?!

Max Rockatansky
04-07-2014, 05:48 AM
I don't consider it a personal attack, but we'll see what the others think.

You made it personal, not objective. A cat fight between two gamma males. :p

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:12 AM
That's a great argument.

Let me know when you have something concrete to debate me with.

I'm in no mood for progressive idiocy.

/Edit reported for attacking me.

Do you know how this works? You can attack my messages, but you can't attack me.
Reporting someone for stating a truth is about as "alpha male" as buying a crown for your my little pony. Fact.

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:15 AM
They're saying if I say something (that I already have said) then I'm not what I say I am. There's no way to debate that, but here, is this a personal attack?:

If you have to say then you're a pathetic spineless worthless useless Liberal bitch with a stick up your ass and jelly in your head where your brain should be.

Do you now see why it's a personal attack? She could have said whatever she wanted to, and there's no way to debate it.

If you have to say then you're a mod with no testicles who should turn your power over to someone who would bring justice to the forum.

I don't wish to appear to being attacking you, but maybe you are proving Polly's point (if I'm understanding her point). Some men are socialized to believe they must be alpha males and in reality certain people are nothing but aggressive assholes and it is those aggressive assholes that act out in unacceptable ways.

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:17 AM
A bit thinned skinned for a forum.
And then some.

GrassrootsConservative
04-07-2014, 06:21 AM
Keep up the personal attacks. I'm the bigger man so I understand your jealousy and will let you whine your little tail off, see if I care.

If anyone wants to have a serious debate I'm here.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:24 AM
I'm not sure I see that as a personal "attack", as much as a jab. An attack would be what jillian and Alyosha did to Ransom that day that got them thread banned. They beat his ass all over the forum before someone turned them in.

But if it bothers you, it bothers you, I guess.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:24 AM
I don't wish to appear to being attacking you, but maybe you are proving Polly's point (if I'm understanding her point). Some men are socialized to believe they must be alpha males and in reality certain people are nothing but aggressive assholes and it is those aggressive assholes that act out in unacceptable ways.

There are a lot more men who believe that they are alpha males, than there are alpha males.

GrassrootsConservative
04-07-2014, 06:28 AM
I'm not sure I see that as a personal "attack", as much as a jab. An attack would be what jillian and Alyosha did to Ransom that day that got them thread banned. They beat his ass all over the forum before someone turned them in.

But if it bothers you, it bothers you, I guess.

She's attacking my masculinity, dude. How do you people not see the personal attacks?


Reporting someone for stating a truth is about as "alpha male" as buying a crown for your my little pony. Fact.

Not a fact at all. A personal attack against me instead of my posts.

Are we allowing it or are we going to do something about it?

I've got some choice words if we're suddenly allowing these attacks.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:36 AM
She's attacking my masculinity, dude. How do you people not see the personal attacks?

Probably because I see "attack" as something more severe, but if you say it is, it is. Attacks are in the eye of the beholder.




Not a fact at all. A personal attack against me instead of my posts.

Are we allowing it or are we going to do something about it?

I've got some choice words if we're suddenly allowing these attacks.

If no one has noticed in the last month to two months we decided to move to light modding because when we heavily modded people were unhappy.

I guess no one noticed.

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:39 AM
There are a lot more men who believe that they are alpha males, than there are alpha males.

Yes. And that delusion cause a world of trouble.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:40 AM
Probably because I see "attack" as something more severe, but if you say it is, it is. Attacks are in the eye of the beholder.



If no one has noticed in the last month to two months we decided to move to light modding because when we heavily modded people were unhappy.

I guess no one noticed.

We get almost no reports anymore. That indicates that members are happy enough.

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:41 AM
She's attacking my masculinity, dude. How do you people not see the personal attacks?



Not a fact at all. A personal attack against me instead of my posts.

Are we allowing it or are we going to do something about it?

I've got some choice words if we're suddenly allowing these attacks.
Knock yourself out. I won't report you since I'm not like you. In other words, I don't need daddy to protect me from the opinions of others.

donttread
04-07-2014, 06:41 AM
There are a lot more men who believe that they are alpha males, than there are alpha males.

Since we've made our "pack" so large there are virtually no alpha males, just big fish in small pond wannabes. As to the original post, I'm a guy and I don't understand sexual violence at all either. Even if a guy has such fantasies, which seems odd enough, why can't he just keep them as fantasies?

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:41 AM
Yes. And that delusion cause a world of trouble.

And a lot of butt-hurt for disappointed men. :wink:

Ravi
04-07-2014, 06:42 AM
Probably because I see "attack" as something more severe, but if you say it is, it is. Attacks are in the eye of the beholder.



If no one has noticed in the last month to two months we decided to move to light modding because when we heavily modded people were unhappy.

I guess no one noticed.

I was wondering why I wasn't permabanned yet. I guess I'll have to try harder.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:43 AM
I was wondering why I wasn't permabanned yet. I guess I'll have to try harder.

Knock yourself out.

GrassrootsConservative
04-07-2014, 06:43 AM
Probably because I see "attack" as something more severe, but if you say it is, it is. Attacks are in the eye of the beholder.



If no one has noticed in the last month to two months we decided to move to light modding because when we heavily modded people were unhappy.

I guess no one noticed.

Someone is always going to be unhappy either way. I don't care about the heaviness of the modding, but I do want to know what's what, if you catch my drift.

I'll keep the new "light modding" stuff in mind.

Back to the topic, before the distracting personal attacks from those who fear the truth came in, can anyone refute my idea that Liberals are trying to feminize men so they can be made into sheep without any morals, standing by with their hands behind their backs as their futures are aborted for the sake of "a woman's convenience?" The OP is a great example of this.

I'm a man, I do manly things, I'm not going to change this because somebody tells me it's wrong. If that offends you I'm not going to apologize. Maybe you should man up instead of trying to bring me down with your pinkification bullshit.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:46 AM
I do put on the conspiracy theory hat from time to time since I do think there is an intentional plan to feminize men, but I don't know if its from women or just the elite that run the world. You don't really want a bunch of hunter types or revolutions occur. Pacifying people allows them to do what they want.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:48 AM
I was wondering why I wasn't permabanned yet. I guess I'll have to try harder.

Why try? We like the nice Ravi. :smiley:

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:49 AM
Why try? We like the nice Ravi. :smiley:

True. Undine was very cool.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:50 AM
Someone is always going to be unhappy either way. I don't care about the heaviness of the modding, but I do want to know what's what, if you catch my drift.

I'll keep the new "light modding" stuff in mind.

Back to the topic, before the distracting personal attacks from those who fear the truth came in, can anyone refute my idea that Liberals are trying to feminize men so they can be made into sheep without any morals, standing by with their hands behind their backs as their futures are aborted for the sake of "a woman's convenience?" The OP is a great example of this.

I'm a man, I do manly things, I'm not going to change this because somebody tells me it's wrong. If that offends you I'm not going to apologize. Maybe you should man up instead of trying to bring me down with your pinkification bullshit.

I agree 100% that liberals are trying to turn boys into girls. I have said as much in several threads. Notably in the pinkification of toys thread and a Polly thread.

GrassrootsConservative
04-07-2014, 06:51 AM
I do put on the conspiracy theory hat from time to time since I do think there is an intentional plan to feminize men, but I don't know if its from women or just the elite that run the world. You don't really want a bunch of hunter types or revolutions occur. Pacifying people allows them to do what they want.

It's probably a pyramid scheme type thing. I don't care who's behind it, any and all perpetrators of male feminization are in the wrong.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:53 AM
Like when I hear we are socialized to want to be manly I just shake my head. The opposite is true.

GrassrootsConservative
04-07-2014, 06:53 AM
Why try? We like the nice Ravi. :smiley:

Ugh. What's nice about:


Knock yourself out. I won't report you since I'm not like you. In other words, I don't need daddy to protect me from the opinions of others.

?

She's still the same bitch. I'm going to bed.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:54 AM
I don't even understand guys who think about the alpha male thing. Who gives a flip?


Since we've made our "pack" so large there are virtually no alpha males, just big fish in small pond wannabes. As to the original post, I'm a guy and I don't understand sexual violence at all either. Even if a guy has such fantasies, which seems odd enough, why can't he just keep them as fantasies?

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 06:55 AM
Ugh. What's nice about:



?

She's still the same bitch. I'm going to bed.

She has played nice before. Well, for a small period of time.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 06:57 AM
I don't even understand guys who think about the alpha male thing. Who gives a flip?

Alpha males, from my military perspective, are just leaders of men. They're calm, confident, and protective. That's way different than asshole. I had some senior marines who were assholes and I had some leaders.

Just because we're all aggressive as fuck didn't make us "alpha".

Green Arrow
04-07-2014, 07:02 AM
If you have to tell us you are an alpha male, you aren't. ;)

Stick to the topic, not the poster. Thanks.

sachem
04-07-2014, 07:13 AM
No, just a word of advice. You might want to look up "alpha male" in the dictionary, 'cause I don't think you'll find whining on the internet in there.


Stick to the topic, not the poster. Thanks.


No, but you certainly are armed with a giant head.lol.......I will try to be good.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 07:14 AM
Alpha males, from my military perspective, are just leaders of men. They're calm, confident, and protective. That's way different than asshole. I had some senior marines who were assholes and I had some leaders.

Just because we're all aggressive as fuck didn't make us "alpha".

I just don't think about it. Some people try to be it.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 07:18 AM
I just don't think about it. Some people try to be it.

I didn't even hear the term until last election. Outside of choosing a puppy, I mean. Rebel was not the alpha male.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 07:31 AM
I didn't even hear the term until last election. Outside of choosing a puppy, I mean. Rebel was not the alpha male.

I just am. I don't think beyond that.

Chris
04-07-2014, 07:38 AM
This is a funny thread.

ABΓ...not an Ι of sense.

The Sage of Main Street
04-07-2014, 08:31 AM
Sounds like a union. How is that working out? :wink:

It hasn't been tried. By the time they join the work force, males are so emasculated by what you want to claim is Left Wing education that they have become Buttboys for the Bosses.

When these eunuchs were children and the kid who supplied the ball for a game demanded special rights, such as that if he only hits the ball it counts as a home run, they would have beaten him up and taken his ball from him. Something changes in American character from that attitude to when men become mice for the fatcats.

Kabuki Joe
04-07-2014, 08:37 AM
I just am. I don't think beyond that.


...I can see you walking around and dry humping every other male you come across...well...just because you're an Alpha...

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 08:39 AM
...I can see you walking around and dry humping every other male you come across...well...just because you're an Alpha...

I haven't considered the issue. I don't particularly care.

The Sage of Main Street
04-07-2014, 08:47 AM
I think that we are individuals first, you'd have to accept that whatever observations made are tailored to individuals

That contradicts the Netiquette Nannies' fatwas. We are individuals, but we can snitch on someone who attacks us as individuals.

Chloe
04-07-2014, 08:57 AM
I know this isn't completely on topic but guys aren't as easy and understandable as I think they think they are. There's that common belief that women are hard to understand but men are easy to understand but I don't really agree with that. Both are complicated but it just depends on how compatible the two people are in my opinion. I think some of the alpha male type guys out there can be pretty obnoxious and are lug heads, but at the same time there are guys that go too much out of their way to try and accommodate a girl and then lose their personality and individuality. If people would just be themselves then I think the guy and the girl would learn pretty quickly if their relationship will be complicated and mysterious or if it will be compatible and unique. Anyway that's just my opinion.

Kabuki Joe
04-07-2014, 08:58 AM
I haven't considered the issue. I don't particularly care.



...but you said you're an Alpha...and the deed goes along with the title...I don't make the rules...

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 08:59 AM
...but you said you're an Alpha...and the deed goes along with the title...I don't make the rules...

No, I thought that too at first then reread. He said "I just am" when he should have said "I just 'am'".

Meaning, he's just himself.

The Sage of Main Street
04-07-2014, 09:03 AM
She has played nice before. Well, for a small period of time.

If she starts giving you any lip again, impale her on one of those four obelisks you have in your avatar!

Kabuki Joe
04-07-2014, 09:07 AM
No, I thought that too at first then reread. He said "I just am" when he should have said "I just 'am'".

Meaning, he's just himself.


...that's on him, not you and me...if we are talking about a subject and he chimes in the "assumption" is he is on the same subject as the rest of us...if he is changing up, then make that clear so we all don't continue an invalid back and forth...if I come into a homosexual conversation and post " I just am. I don't think beyond that.", what's the assumption?...

Ravi
04-07-2014, 09:54 AM
It hasn't been tried. By the time they join the work force, males are so emasculated by what you want to claim is Left Wing education that they have become Buttboys for the Bosses.

When these eunuchs were children and the kid who supplied the ball for a game demanded special rights, such as that if he only hits the ball it counts as a home run, they would have beaten him up and taken his ball from him. Something changes in American character from that attitude to when men become mice for the fatcats.
Men can't be emasculated. They are either men or they are not men.

I believe Polly is trying to make a point and here is what I got from it. Whether or not it is her point, I agree with it.

People are either alpha or they are not alpha. Teaching people they MUST be alpha leads to problems. Not everyone is cut out to be alpha nor would it be optimal if everyone was alpha. So you have a kid that doesn't want to be alpha but you insist that he or she is alpha then you are going to have a relatively fucked up individual.

I think Polly is saying simply let people decide for themselves who they are and stop trying to force the issue. I have five brothers and I don't recall them being socialized to be anything but responsible humans. Two I would consider alpha and the other three not. I think that would be the outcome no matter how they were socialized. All are responsible adults and none are metrosexuals or whatever other cutting word you might hear non-alpha males called. None feels the need to be aggressive, to take things that aren't theirs, or to dominate other than in a business setting.

I also think that people that whine and blame society or women or blacks or what have you for their problems are not responsible adults.

Chris
04-07-2014, 09:55 AM
I know this isn't completely on topic but guys aren't as easy and understandable as I think they think they are. There's that common belief that women are hard to understand but men are easy to understand but I don't really agree with that. Both are complicated but it just depends on how compatible the two people are in my opinion. I think some of the alpha male type guys out there can be pretty obnoxious and are lug heads, but at the same time there are guys that go too much out of their way to try and accommodate a girl and then lose their personality and individuality. If people would just be themselves then I think the guy and the girl would learn pretty quickly if their relationship will be complicated and mysterious or if it will be compatible and unique. Anyway that's just my opinion.


Speaking of being themselves, it seems rather obvious we have enough trouble understanding ourselves, who we each are, to do that, let alone making generalizations about men and women.

I am what I am ought to be reserved to Exodus 3:14.

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:00 AM
Not "male" in the way you and I use the term. Liberal beta male types.

Correction. Not "beta" males. "Omega" males.

The world cannot be peopled with alpha males. Simply wouldn't work. I'd break it down further to say in the hierarchy of men there are alpha, beta, gamma, delta, and at the tail end you'll have omega. Gamma being the most numerous. Alpha being the rarest, and less rare is the omega.

A good slave would fall anywhere between gamma and delta. Beta being the advisor to Alpha is also discouraged. The prime difference being initiative and aggressiveness. They don't want either alpha or beta, but all those under them.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 10:04 AM
Correction. Not "beta" males. "Omega" males.

The world cannot be peopled with alpha males. Simply wouldn't work. I'd break it down further to say in the hierarchy of men there are alpha, beta, gamma, delta, and at the tail end you'll have omega. Gamma being the most numerous. Alpha being the rarest, and less rare is the omega.

A good slave would fall anywhere between gamma and delta. Beta being the advisor to Alpha is also discouraged. The prime difference being initiative and aggressiveness. They don't want either alpha or beta, but all those under them.


People think "alpha male" means aggressive male. I'm an aggressive male, or I can be. I'm not a "leader of men" as they say, but I do keep my honor clean. :)

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:09 AM
There are a lot more men who believe that they are alpha males, than there are alpha males.

No kidding. I would have to laugh at myself if I declared myself an alpha male, because it simply wouldn't be true.

There is nothing wrong with not being the leader of the herd. The world needs leaders, and advisers to those leaders just as much as it needs followers.

There is no shame in the diversity of personality. But there is great shame in a false identity.

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:14 AM
I don't even understand guys who think about the alpha male thing. Who gives a flip?

Those that are jealous.

Captain Obvious
04-07-2014, 10:19 AM
The trick is, you don't have to be the alpha male, just not the omega male.

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:20 AM
People think "alpha male" means aggressive male. I'm an aggressive male, or I can be. I'm not a "leader of men" as they say, but I do keep my honor clean. :)

As was mentioned earlier, alpha is not just aggression, although it is often seen that way. Having that air of leadership and charisma, a personal magnetism of sorts is the main difference. Alpha the way I see it is a combination of aggression, initiative, and leadership. A rare combo.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 10:21 AM
As was mentioned earlier, alpha is not just aggression, although it is often seen that way. Having that air of leadership and charisma, a personal magnetism of sorts is the main difference. Alpha the way I see it is a combination of aggression, initiative, and leadership. A rare combo.

General Mattis had it mos def

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:23 AM
General Mattis had it mos def

Wouldn't know, never met the guy.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 10:25 AM
I actually think White has it, too. I'd follow him anywhere.

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:30 AM
I actually think White has it, too. I'd follow him anywhere.

Wouldn't know. Never met the guy. Probably will in the future though. He seems alright.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 10:32 AM
Wouldn't know. Never met the guy. Probably will in the future though. He seems alright.

I think it takes being calm when shit hits the fan. Like when Chesty said, "Good we're surrounded, now we have 'em where we want them!" It's a way of making people not afraid, ready for anything.

Cthulhu
04-07-2014, 10:35 AM
I think it takes being calm when shit hits the fan. Like when Chesty said, "Good we're surrounded, now we have 'em where we want them!" It's a way of making people not afraid, ready for anything.

Being courageous, and a psychopath are not the same. But I get what you're saying. A few are the genuine article. I'd say instinctual decisive action is part of it as well.

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 11:37 AM
...but you said you're an Alpha...and the deed goes along with the title...I don't make the rules...

I never said I was anything.

Kabuki Joe
04-07-2014, 12:43 PM
I never said I was anything.


...let code help you on this one...

Peter1469
04-07-2014, 12:46 PM
...let code help you on this one...

If I need help, I will ask him.

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 12:49 PM
I actually think White has it, too. I'd follow him anywhere.

Wow, I didn't realize you were that dumb, Lance. I end up injured walking out my front door.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 12:56 PM
Wow, I didn't realize you were that dumb, Lance. I end up injured walking out my front door.

Trip on the concrete walk?

Codename Section
04-07-2014, 12:57 PM
Trip on the concrete walk?

Something like that.

spunkloaf
04-13-2014, 05:35 PM
Relocated from a different thread...


...most animals perform what "feminists" call rape...it's what animals do...dolphins, the animals people like chloe use to justify homosexuality in nature, are huge offenders of rape...groups of males pack up and rape every females they can catch...strange for the poster child of how close animals and humans are...since we are animals and it's what a male does to a female in the animal world, it's going to happen in our world...males make females accept them, it's what males do...and no, I'm not saying it's acceptable...it's part of the wiring...it's been around from day one and as of yet no one has figured out how to stop it...male on male (or female on female) is not for sexual gratification, it's for dominance...if you watch any shows on animal behavior, same sex rape is always connected to the chain of command, meaning I'm bigger and badder then you and there's noting you can do about it...if it were consensual it wouldn't be rape...how to stop it?...further evolution of humans might remove it from our wiring...but as long as we are even remotely stimulated by ranking in society, it won't ever change...just my opinion...

It's interesting to learn that this is what is inside your head.

I'm posting the rest in a spoiler box because I'm sensing a graphic discussion coming on. Here's a warning not to read on unless you're comfortable with vulgar and disgusting sexual discourse.


There are things that I will immediately agree to. Males making females accept them. It's what males do. And it's fucking hot. And many females think so. And it's even more fucking hot that females think so.

Maybe it's too soon or too inappropriate, but I gotta say..."She LOOOOOOVES it." :yesmaster:

(when it's consensual)

I apologize, I'm just setting the scene for a serious discussion of sexual psychology. I'm tired of the "justifying homosexuality" debate. The only problem with the issue is that there are some people in the world who simply need to learn that some men...a considerable portion, really...would rather enjoy a warm rubbery cock in their face than a vagina. The same people need to learn that some women...a considerable portion, really...would much rather enjoy burying her face into someone's thighs hiding a tight wet pussy instead of a penis. There's nothing more to justify about it, and here's why.

People make the genius claim that a penis is supposed to go into a vagina.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6777&stc=1&d=1397424743

Congratulations, fucking seriously. I wish I had a diploma to hand over every time somebody makes that startling connection, and I'd make sure they know they deserve it.

Here's where I get hung up on the whole "point of procreation" business. They're hypocrites, every single one of them. If that's the honest-to-god truth, then they should be able to tell me that every time they had heterosexual intercourse that their sole intention was to make a child. Fellatio alone makes an iron-clad case for homosexuals. If a man has ever had his dick sucked, and if a woman has ever felt the pleasure of a tongue or dick inside her asshole, then neither one of them has any authority explaining the purpose of sex to anyone else.

Sex is so universally confusing to everybody, none more or less than the next. Nobody can explain their attractions, or what makes them want to play out dirty (DISGUSTING!) fantasies with other humans. I'll tell you one thing, though, NONE of it has a single fucking thing to do with procreation. In fact I can confidently argue that if anybody is having joyless sex just to make a child, they're having sex for the wrong reasons. (it's the 21st century, get a doctor to knock you up)

Sex is to be enjoyed, and that is all. There are curious and ironic side effects to having sex, like getting pregnant...yes. But none of that has any effect on a person's sex drive, in fact many time's pregnancy is considered a RISK that people are willing to take just so they can cum inside, no condom.

If anybody wants to disagree, I'll just ask you to rebut the issue with a full psychological sexual profile of the human mind that should explain what causes the purest, most gentle-minded people to perform the most atrocious and godless naked activities. I guess my point is, if everybody is equally susceptible to the same bodily wants and needs, and if everybody is equally incapable of justifying their sick desires, then I don't see why anybody can find any problem with another's sex life or choice of partners.

I've been away for awhile, this was a long time coming.

spunkloaf
04-13-2014, 05:43 PM
...you make some good points and some not so good points...the oral sex part was very unnerving...the idea that oral sex (with me anyway) would be the same from a guy or gal (on the receiving end) is just a mood killer...really...I'm done...


I'll bet that might have something to do with your security of your sexual identity. I'm no Freud, but it behooves one to wonder. I get the same feelings.

spunkloaf
04-13-2014, 05:45 PM
...you make some good points and some not so good points...the oral sex part was very unnerving...the idea that oral sex (with me anyway) would be the same from a guy or gal (on the receiving end) is just a mood killer...really...I'm done...

I'm not sure where I gave the impression that sex is the same to each individual, from person to person....each person definitely has an orientation or takes a liking to both, but that can not be applied to everybody.

Kabuki Joe
04-13-2014, 05:48 PM
I'll bet that might have something to do with your security of your sexual identity. I'm no Freud, but it behooves one to wonder. I get the same feelings.


...freud was weird...and he had some very weird ideas...he was one of the few jews that the Nazis didn't go after...regardless, I don't want to get off bad enough to use another male for sexual satisfaction...I just threw up in my mouth...

spunkloaf
04-13-2014, 06:00 PM
...freud was weird...and he had some very weird ideas...he was one of the few jews that the Nazis didn't go after...regardless, I don't want to get off bad enough to use another male for sexual satisfaction...I just threw up in my mouth...

Did you really? What did it taste like?

Green Arrow
04-13-2014, 06:10 PM
...freud was weird...and he had some very weird ideas...he was one of the few jews that the Nazis didn't go after...regardless, I don't want to get off bad enough to use another male for sexual satisfaction...I just threw up in my mouth...

That's just sexual slavery. If it'll get you off, go for it.

Max Rockatansky
04-13-2014, 06:21 PM
Did you really? What did it taste like?

And, more importantly, was he a spitter or a swallower?

Kabuki Joe
04-13-2014, 06:29 PM
Did you really? What did it taste like?

...the salad I had for lunch...with a touch of ranch dressing...or I hope it was ranch dressing... :)

Kabuki Joe
04-13-2014, 06:29 PM
That's just sexual slavery. If it'll get you off, go for it.


...no...

Germanicus
04-17-2014, 06:00 PM
OR: WHY DOES A MAN COMMIT AN ACT OF RAPE?

Let me just start off by saying that I like to watch this show that comes on the Game Show Network late at night called Mind of a Man. I'm not normally a fan of game shows, but Mind of a Man has become an exception for me because of the subject it centers around. The structure is this: The network conducts a survey of a fair-sized group of men (100 is the standard) on a range of topics and then invites small groups of women to guess what the prevailing answers the men gave to the various inquiries were. Sometimes, for example, they'll be given three options and asked to list what they think the guy's answers were in the correct order. That sort of thing. They do this for prizes: the more answers you get right, the closer you are to a prize. You get the basic idea. I try to guess what I think the correct answers are as well. What I've learned from watching this show regularly is that I know very little about how men think because I do worse than the female guests: I get like 80% of the answers wrong. There's only one kind of category that I can guess the answers correctly on and it's not exactly the most surprising one if you know much about my background: men's sexual tastes. (For example, seriously, these women actually believe that Joe Average is more turned on by sexy text messages than by pole dancing. Men are visual creatures ladies!! Then again, I would know, given my broad enough survey.) But I guess I probably make for bad dating material because that's pretty well the sum total of what I know about your typical American male, evidently. And while I might be an unusually extreme case in that sense, when I see so many women getting most of the answers wrong too (though more 60% as contrasted with my 80% or so), it occurs to me that I'm far from alone in my lack of broad understanding. One of the things I believe that not many women understand or relate to is that of why anyone would commit an act of sexual violence. Like somewhere between 16 and 20% of the female population in this country, I've been on the receiving end of sexual violence before, all of it committed by men, yet admittedly cannot truly relate to the sentiment: to the motivation anyone would have for doing something like that. Although I have admittedly desired revenge, it cannot be said that I would ever actually touch someone sexually against their will. That's just not in me. Chalk it up to that list of things I haven't quite understood about men (who are overwhelmingly the party responsible for sexual violence).

This ongoing thread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/24100-Why-Rape-Is-Sincerely-Hilarious) has included some discussion of what it is that leads to rape. It brought to mind a discussion hosted by the feminist activist Eve Ensler on that very subject that I'd watched online last year in the aftermath of the infamous Steubenville rape case (which I'm sure some of you may remember). The said discussion was particularly helpful to me because it was a diverse group of men seeking to explain, in their own views, how this can happen and what they believe can be done about it. Sorry ladies, but I wouldn't trust you to know about such a broadly male-specific matter much better than I do. The word of men on this subject is more authoritative, I feel, given that it comes from a different kind of life experience. And I feel that this kind of approach is vital. Addressing the topic of sexual violence cannot simply mean suppressing it. To truly end it or minimize it or whatever is actually possible, we need to get to the root of the problem (the 'why does this happen?') and dig that up. In that connection, I learned a lot from watching this dialogue and would highly recommend it to all who are serious about dissecting this topic. First check it out and see what you think. It's a couple hours long, so be sure you've got some time on your hands. (The first half or so is the panel of men discussing the matter amongst themselves, addressing a range of issues, and the second half or so then breaks into questions from the audience.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmpNw7U-YE

So anyway, here are some of my observations and conclusions: First of all, notice that none of these guys thinks that sexual violence is natural. All believe it's a product of nurture rather than of nature. They discussed a lot of topics ranging from the role of sports to that of pornography, but the one that really strikes me as the most core and essential is simply the assignment of the concept of "masculinity". I have come to the conclusion that the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" are oppressive and purely social constructs should be done away with. We shouldn't view and define ourselves as "masculine" and "feminine" respectively like we're different species, but rather simply as human, I believe.

They're oppressive in that they prescribe special roles for people arbitrarily along gender lines. Central to the man's role within this framework is to be invincible. This means that you're not allowed to be too emotionally attached to anyone or to express most of your feelings. You all know how this is socially enforced. We've all seen it before, and I'm sure every one of you guys reading this has experienced it personally many times: When your behavior doesn't fit into the proverbial box, you get called a "pussy" or a "fag" or something along those lines, and find yourself ostracized. Perhaps it's because you cried in public over something other than a grave physical injury. (Perhaps they were even tears of joy over something that moved you. Not allowed either.) Or perhaps it's because, heaven forbid, you were into so-called girly things like caregiving. Perhaps you liked the color pink. Or, as we've seen recently in professional baseball talk radio, maybe you so much as took a three-day paternity leave. Not allowed! Not if you want a lot of friends anyway. Come on now, man up. (I hate that expression!) It's not natural for men to be like that. If it were natural then you wouldn't have to be taught. You wouldn't have to have your dad tell you not to cry and so forth. This kind of upbringing where you have to suppress most of your emotions, it is suggested in the above discussion, leads to pent up anger, which goes a long way toward explaining why it's mostly men who commit acts of violence in general. As to the sexual component of sexual violence, I believe that was adequately spoken to in the dialogue and need not be further elaborated by me.

What do you (especially the guys) think? Do I have anything here or am I way off?


There's only one kind of category that I can guess the answers correctly on and it's not exactly the most surprising one if you know much about my background: men's sexual tastes. (For example, seriously, these women actually believe that Joe Average is more turned on by sexy text messages than by pole dancing. Men are visual creatures ladies!! Then again, I would know, given my broad enough survey.) But I guess I probably make for bad dating material

.....


. Although I have admittedly desired revenge, it cannot be said that I would ever actually touch someone sexually against their will.

.........


heaven forbid, you were into so-called girly things like caregiving.

What?


What do you (especially the guys) think? Do I have anything here or am I way off?

( also, did you just use the words pussy and fag? I hope you only use those words in txt )

.....Umm. As an Above Joe Average I think that you may be way off.

I think that more men rape females because they can. I remember talking to a friend of mine and he was saying how we needed laws to stop rape because without them men would be out raping females all over. I thought this was a strange opinion. I do not need a law to stop me from raping a person. Raping a person is wrong and I wouldnt do it if it was legal.

I think people have this idea that the big alpha guy would be hitting cave chicks on the head with clubs and dragging them back to their caves to fuck them. Of course this wouldnt be the case because the alpha caveman would have been desirable. Say caveman Tom Brady would have got all the cave chicks. The alpha cave dudes wouldnt have needed to club cave chicks. It would have been the Joe Average cave guys that were doing all of the clubbing. So for me the whole raping thing has little to do with masculinity or whatever. Raping is something that weak males that cant get sex do.

But I think that many men do get date raped by women and this is under reported. Like if you get really drunk and have sex with some fat chick a guy mostly does not claim to have been raped. but females kinda do do this. I was almost date raped by a woman when I was a drunk teenager at a pub in Sydney. She kissed me. I was taken advantage of by sexual predators. And they were because they had come to this pub after there were strippers. Like there are strippers and you come out and there are all these sexual predator women looking to take advantage of you. And I told this woman and her friend that I was only 16. I was drunk. They gave me a joint. Next thing you know this chick is trying to date rape me in an alley. This kind of thing happens quite a bit.

In my opinion fantasy can fantasy can include aggressive sex. And many people have rape fantasies for some reason. Like some people find the idea of being raped by someone that they want to have sex with to be kind of exciting. And there could be other reasons. I think that it is healthy for people to simulate certain things. It could even be healthy. Like two people cou...

Rape is bad. Rape is weak. I think that actual rape is for people that are inferior. It gives them a feeling of power that they do not have.