Fighting crime the UK way

[Refugee]

The UK has these.

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If you don’t spot the criminal first, you report it to the police and get a crime number after you’ve been burgled, raped or robbed. You must have this number to claim on your insurance. You must only use ‘minimum force’ to stop anyone entering your property, (push them away), or you’ll be the one in court and if they hurt themselves on your property, you’re liable for any injury sustained.

We also have people like these.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9977056/Crime-commissioner-under-attack-over-teen-czar.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9977056/Crime-commissioner-under-attack-over-teen-czar.html)

"Paris is going to be the young face of policing in the county and I’m quite sure she is going to do a brilliant job at helping the police to connect with young people. “She’s very exceptional. She has a real commitment to working with young people. She’s confident and she’s got bags of energy."
Indeed, what more could you ask for!


They’re youth crime Czars and they’re supposed to offer guidance to the police on how to interact ‘wiv da youf’ on community issues. The UK no longer has a police force, it’s now officially a police service. It’s why we have strange characters like this wandering the streets; it’s more about upholding diverse community values than stopping crime.


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Oh and we have the highest prison population per capita in the western world. You think I’m joking don’t you. :smiley:

[Peter1469]

The cops didn't seem to be doing much of anything on my last trip to London. Of course they had to do extra for the Saint Paddy's Day parade down Whitehall.

[Newpublius]

I have been fortunate because where I reside, crime hasn't been a concern to me.

[Peter1469]

I have lived in high crime areas and the only thing the cops did for me was right reports after the fact.

[Refugee]

Refugees guide for wannabe criminals.

The jails are not filled with the poor and disadvantaged; they’re overflowing with the stupid. Crimes solved by the UK police are estimated at an overall 27%. If only half of those go to jail, it implies that 13% of UK criminals are stupid and just as you can’t legislate against stupidity; you can’t fix it with equality laws.

Thought for today. :thinking:

No one ever went to jail because they committed a crime; they went to jail because they got caught. In a country with the most CCTV surveillance in the world, it pays to cover your face!

Like this: 6851 Not like this: 6852


Of course, if you become successful and rich you can pay someone to talk your way out of it.


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The rest is down to luck. Be careful though, the equality and diversity police will be watching.

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“Crime is not a by-product of capitalism; it is a consequence of human nature. It knows no physical or ideological boundaries and is the closest mankind will ever reach in achieving equality.” (Refugee 2014).

:smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Cthulhu]

If you suffer crime in the UK, ____ your assailant. And then, when the other criminals show up to put you in jail, ____ them too.

Whistle and skip afterwards.

[Refugee]

If you suffer crime in the UK, ____ your assailant. And then, when the other criminals show up to put you in jail, ____ them too.

Whistle and skip afterwards.

Are the missing words, 'shoot'? The UK banned firearms a long time ago. :smiley:

[Cthulhu]

Are the missing words, 'shoot'? The UK banned firearms a long time ago. :smiley:

Put whatever words there you like.

UK has a really nasty problem with violent crime though. Particularly stabbings.

[Refugee]

Put whatever words there you like.

UK has a really nasty problem with violent crime though. Particularly stabbings.

. . . and shootings, despite guns being banned. The UK prefers to ignore it and hopes it will all go away; that or the usual lack of equality, racism, disadvantage or whatever is the popular sound bite at the time.

[Dr. Who]

The UK has these.

6848

If you don’t spot the criminal first, you report it to the police and get a crime number after you’ve been burgled, raped or robbed. You must have this number to claim on your insurance. You must only use ‘minimum force’ to stop anyone entering your property, (push them away), or you’ll be the one in court and if they hurt themselves on your property, you’re liable for any injury sustained.

We also have people like these.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9977056/Crime-commissioner-under-attack-over-teen-czar.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9977056/Crime-commissioner-under-attack-over-teen-czar.html)

"Paris is going to be the young face of policing in the county and I’m quite sure she is going to do a brilliant job at helping the police to connect with young people. “She’s very exceptional. She has a real commitment to working with young people. She’s confident and she’s got bags of energy."
Indeed, what more could you ask for!


They’re youth crime Czars and they’re supposed to offer guidance to the police on how to interact ‘wiv da youf’ on community issues. The UK no longer has a police force, it’s now officially a police service. It’s why we have strange characters like this wandering the streets; it’s more about upholding diverse community values than stopping crime.


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Oh and we have the highest prison population per capita in the western world. You think I’m joking don’t you. :smiley:

Wiki disagrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

[Refugee]

Wiki disagrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Which part of the above is it that it disagrees with, the prison population, the rate of crime?

An explanation is always better than a google?

The prison population in the UK is soaring but remains hidden because numbers are counted once a year so that many remain off the list due to short sentences which make up the bulk of the population. It’s the way things are counted that is the problem and which reflects in statistics.

It's why I don't google much, it's like a game of ping pong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/use-of-riot-squads-in-jails-has-soared-amid-overcrowding-crisis-8965419.html

[Dr. Who]

Which part of the above is it that it disagrees with, the prison population, the rate of crime?

An explanation is always better than a google?

The prison population in the UK is soaring but remains hidden because numbers are counted once a year so that many remain off the list due to short sentences which make up the bulk of the population. It’s the way things are counted that is the problem and which reflects in statistics.

It's why I don't google much, it's like a game of ping pong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/use-of-riot-squads-in-jails-has-soared-amid-overcrowding-crisis-8965419.html



I presume Wiki gets their information from your own government sources, and the article listed the incarceration rate on a per capita basis. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Have you got a link that contests the Wiki numbers?

[Refugee]

I presume Wiki gets their information from your own government sources, and the article listed the incarceration rate on a per capita basis. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Have you got a link that contests the Wiki numbers?

There are lots of this sort of stuff online; the government of course deny it.

The Howard League for Penal reform. (One of the top UK organizations dealing in prison reform).

The report of the commission on English prisons today. (1.6)

“With a prison population rate of 153 per 100,000, England and Wales lock up more prisoners per head of population than other countries in western Europe apart from Spain (160) and Luxembourg (155). This is some 60 per cent more than countries such as Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland and Italy.”

‘Lacking conviction’ – The Prison Reform trust.

“Prisoners in the UK, which has the highest per capita rate of imprisonment in Western Europe, suffer from unsanitary conditions, extremely poor conditions for remand prisoners, and the lack of useful educational or work activities.” (5.0 Conditions on Remand).

You can find these detailed reports in .pdf file in a simple search. For a simple analysis and observation, try this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html)

[Dr. Who]

There are lots of this sort of stuff online; the government of course deny it.

The Howard League for Penal reform. (One of the top UK organizations dealing in prison reform).

The report of the commission on English prisons today. (1.6)

“With a prison population rate of 153 per 100,000, England and Wales lock up more prisoners per head of population than other countries in western Europe apart from Spain (160) and Luxembourg (155). This is some 60 per cent more than countries such as Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland and Italy.”

‘Lacking conviction’ – The Prison Reform trust.

“Prisoners in the UK, which has the highest per capita rate of imprisonment in Western Europe, suffer from unsanitary conditions, extremely poor conditions for remand prisoners, and the lack of useful educational or work activities.” (5.0 Conditions on Remand).

You can find these detailed reports in .pdf file in a simple search. For a simple analysis and observation, try this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html)

I believe the number you are providing - it's only slightly higher than Wiki's number, but the US number is 716 per 100,000 which is the highest on the planet. That puts GB at around #92 in terms of the world.

[Refugee]

There’s no doubt its way behind some countries, but I did state western Europe. For years we have been known as “Broken Britain”. We now excel at being almost the worst performing country in Europe for just about everything.

Crime
“Britain’s violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa – widely considered one of the world’s most dangerous countries.”

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013/01/11/britain-the-most-violent-country-in-europe-violence-rate-is-4-36-times-worse-than-in-the-u-s/ (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013/01/11/britain-the-most-violent-country-in-europe-violence-rate-is-4-36-times-worse-than-in-the-u-s/)

Drug addiction and alcoholism
We are known now as the “Capital of western European drug addiction”, although we only come second for overall alcoholism rates, but first for female alcoholism. Our cancer survival rates are the worst in Europe
“This country is now the “addictions capital of Europe”, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), the think tank established by Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10279600/Britain-named-the-European-capital-of-drug-addiction.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10279600/Britain-named-the-European-capital-of-drug-addiction.html)

Schools and education
“A devastating attack on the state of Britain's schools has been launched by a distinguished international research body. As pupils become the first in Europe to be sent home because of teacher shortages, the respected Organisation for Economic and Co-operation and Development warned that the system could face 'meltdown'.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-33993/Britain-worst-schools-Europe.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-33993/Britain-worst-schools-Europe.html)

Which leads to this – mass emigration.
Remember, the total population of the UK is only around 63 -65 million. Housing shortages, collapsing health care system, plummeting wage levels, austerity cut backs, unemployment rates . . . the UK is on its last legs.

“400 British citizens emigrate every day.
More than 400 British citizens are leaving the country every day in a drain on talent that is leading to the "disappearance" of skilled middle-class professionals, a senior Conservative MP has warned.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10258081/Two-million-quit-Britain-in-talent-drain.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10258081/Two-million-quit-Britain-in-talent-drain.html)

[Paperback Writer]

. . . and shootings, despite guns being banned. The UK prefers to ignore it and hopes it will all go away; that or the usual lack of equality, racism, disadvantage or whatever is the popular sound bite at the time.

It's quite a bit frustrating that we have bloody cameras everywhere and yet fuck all is done about crime. On the other hand, it is encouraging that in spite of the cameras the government doesn't seem to have much control.

[Refugee]

It's quite a bit frustrating that we have bloody cameras everywhere and yet fuck all is done about crime. On the other hand, it is encouraging that in spite of the cameras the government doesn't seem to have much control.

We have the most CCTV in the world; one camera for every eleven people, with 1% of the world’s population and 20% of the world’s CCTV’s but few police, (129,500 for a population of 63 million plus). CCTV is just like a traffic speed camera, they’re retrospective in that they catch and punish after the event. We’re now a surveillance society. We have a large prison population, a huge rate of recidivism and if crime rises 10% one year and drops 1% the next, that’s celebrated and counted as a fall in crime rates.

An estimated 72% of UK prisoners are mentally ill and an estimated 50% addicted to substances. It’s often said that a country’s prison population reflects that of the general population, as that’s where they come from. It doesn’t reflect well on the UK and that’s only one of the several reasons it’s termed ‘Broken Britain’.

[Dr. Who]

We have the most CCTV in the world; one camera for every eleven people, with 1% of the world’s population and 20% of the world’s CCTV’s but few police, (129,500 for a population of 63 million plus). CCTV is just like a traffic speed camera, they’re retrospective in that they catch and punish after the event. We’re now a surveillance society. We have a large prison population, a huge rate of recidivism and if crime rises 10% one year and drops 1% the next, that’s celebrated and counted as a fall in crime rates.

An estimated 72% of UK prisoners are mentally ill and an estimated 50% addicted to substances. It’s often said that a country’s prison population reflects that of the general population, as that’s where they come from. It doesn’t reflect well on the UK and that’s only one of the several reasons it’s termed ‘Broken Britain’.


So GB is suffering from rampant mental illness and drug addiction? That sounds odd, if you don't mind me saying so.

[Refugee]

So GB is suffering from rampant mental illness and drug addiction? That sounds odd, if you don't mind me saying so.

Not odd, just the scale of the problem.

There was a huge closure ofphysciatric hospitals in the 80’s due to cost cutting and ‘Care in the Community’ replaced them. Someone forgot to tell the government that Care in the Community doesn’t work, which is why hospitals were built in the first place, but still . . .Prisons have now become a replacement. I believe the same is happening in America.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25588547 (http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25588547)

Substance abuse rehabilitation centers have also largely suffered from cuts, with prison also becoming an end destination.

“Budget cuts to drug and alcohol services for young people are having a "devastating impact" on the fight against substance abuse, according to leading health groups and charities.”

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/24/drug-charities-devastating-impact-cuts (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/24/drug-charities-devastating-impact-cuts)

The scale of the problem

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jun/08/drugsandalcohol.prisonsandprobation (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jun/08/drugsandalcohol.prisonsandprobation)

[Dr. Who]

Not odd, just the scale of the problem.

There was a huge closure ofphysciatric hospitals in the 80’s due to cost cutting and ‘Care in the Community’ replaced them. Someone forgot to tell the government that Care in the Community doesn’t work, which is why hospitals were built in the first place, but still . . .Prisons have now become a replacement. I believe the same is happening in America.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25588547 (http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25588547)

Substance abuse rehabilitation centers have also largely suffered from cuts, with prison also becoming an end destination.

“Budget cuts to drug and alcohol services for young people are having a "devastating impact" on the fight against substance abuse, according to leading health groups and charities.”

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/24/drug-charities-devastating-impact-cuts (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/24/drug-charities-devastating-impact-cuts)

The scale of the problem

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jun/08/drugsandalcohol.prisonsandprobation (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/jun/08/drugsandalcohol.prisonsandprobation)

It would seem that the government has simply substituted the mental health care line on the budget for what they believe is a cheaper line on the budget. Penny wise, pound foolish. While people might recover from their mental health issues in a hospital - thus a finite source of subsidy, they would rather put them in a prison situation where they will repeat offend and become a persistent dependent of the state. Reactionary politics. It also happened in North America at the same time.

[Refugee]

It would seem that the government has simply substituted the mental health care line on the budget for what they believe is a cheaper line on the budget. Penny wise, pound foolish. While people might recover from their mental health issues in a hospital - thus a finite source of subsidy, they would rather put them in a prison situation where they will repeat offend and become a persistent dependent of the state. Reactionary politics. It also happened in North America at the same time.

Not odd at all then, but seemingly a method in the madness and saves money too. It’s cheaper to lock them up, make them dependent than try to reform and educate. Getting the country ready for progressivism when the problems get too much and people demand change.