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ramone
03-30-2012, 11:14 PM
I consider myself a Nationalist and a libertarian. When I think back the Nam era I see a kinship if you will. Another war fought by our young men for nothing. I'm not out protesting and I'm still signed up for the draft, BUT if I had my way I'd carpet bomb the hell out of the middle east and then go in and take their oil. I'm really tired of all the shit going on there.
I don't advocate violence of any kind but it is time to shit or get off the pot.!! get the hell out of there or take complete controll of the god forsaken rock pit.
spunkloaf
03-30-2012, 11:17 PM
That's horrible.
Peter1469
03-30-2012, 11:23 PM
What is horrible?
ramone
03-30-2012, 11:23 PM
Not really, difference is that the hippies are now eco fruits while I still think that we should defend our borders and stay the hell out of other peoples business. 4 dead in Ohio may come back around sooner than you think, just a different place.
I consider myself a Nationalist and a libertarian. When I think back the Nam era I see a kinship if you will. Another war fought by our young men for nothing. I'm not out protesting and I'm still signed up for the draft, BUT if I had my way I'd carpet bomb the hell out of the middle east and then go in and take their oil. I'm really tired of all the shit going on there.
I don't advocate violence of any kind but it is time to shit or get off the pot.!! get the hell out of there or take complete controll of the god forsaken rock pit.
I know how you feel Ramone.....but this Aristocracy in this country knows there is only one answer when all refuse to do nothing. Which is violence. I grew up on the streets of Chicago. I have lived around Demos all my life including a whole side of my family all involved in it. That would be that Irish side. Now the Sicillian side well we were like on the other sides of the track. Know what I mean.
Which is why the aristocrats are passing laws to help keep them safe when the shit hits the fan. Both of us have served in that time. We have been here before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE
They told us back then, yet even then doing as you say leaves us back here at home and with these same domestic issues. The only difference back from then and now. Back then the Country wasn't completely divided. Today it is, and it's only going to get worse. Which is why I have always said. Even tho I am Veteran. The Oath I took Never Ends. Not until I become part of that dirt again.
Others may want to give up their rights and their Country. But then there is always the Counter. Those who will die to protect them!
spunkloaf
03-30-2012, 11:45 PM
What is horrible?
Carpet bombing the middle east and taking their oil.
Are we murderers and thieves?
Carpet bombing the middle east and taking their oil.
Are we murderers and thieves?
No problem solvers! :wink:
spunkloaf
03-30-2012, 11:53 PM
Thank God there are people like me around to counteract those ambitions.
Thank God there are people like me around to counteract those ambitions.
So just how would you Counter a Sunni or Shia Arab that wanted to remove your head for not believing as they do.?
Peter1469
03-30-2012, 11:58 PM
Carpet bombing the middle east and taking their oil.
Are we murderers and thieves?
But we didn't carpet bomb. And we didn't take their oil.
China got most of the Iraqi oil contracts.
spunkloaf
03-31-2012, 12:01 AM
So just how would you Counter a Sunni or Shia Arab that wanted to remove your head for not believing as they do.?
About the same way I counter some of the people on this forum.
:grin:
spunkloaf
03-31-2012, 12:03 AM
But we didn't carpet bomb. And we didn't take their oil.
China got most of the Iraqi oil contracts.
If we weren't so focused on the oil game, we'd be alot more advanced in our efforts to make our own energy game. We let them control us to an extent by coveting their resources.
If we weren't so focused on the oil game, we'd be alot more advanced in our efforts to make our own energy game. We let them control us to an extent by coveting their resources.
Therein lies the deception Spunk.....we get our Oil from Canada. The vast majority of it. So now how do we let them control us when it is a fact that we don't covet such a resource from them.
spunkloaf
03-31-2012, 05:31 AM
Therein lies the deception Spunk.....we get our Oil from Canada. The vast majority of it. So now how do we let them control us when it is a fact that we don't covet such a resource from them.
We still have considerable interest in the middle east regarding oil.
Mainecoons
03-31-2012, 07:55 AM
About the same way I counter some of the people on this forum.
:grin:
Unsuccessfully because of your obvious lack of education and common sense?
:grin:
We still have considerable interest in the middle east regarding oil.
Of course there is interest.....weapons and the New Form of Democracy must be doled out. Yet how does this change the fact that we do not get most of our Oil from the ME.?
ramone
03-31-2012, 03:46 PM
Carpet bombing the middle east and taking their oil.
Are we murderers and thieves?
No more than the rest of the sands who are trying to kill us. We are at war with these people, make no mistake about it. We need to get the hell out of there and protect our borders, the money would be much better spent.
ramone
03-31-2012, 03:51 PM
Thank God there are people like me around to counteract those ambitions.
People like you spunk are the problem, you want to solve problems that can't be solved. The sands have been killing each other for years, do you think we can force a democracy on them that they don't even want. Tell me, what the hell are we doing there to start with? Please do because I'm at a loss for the reasoning that we should be there pushing our will on somebody else. Reminds me of a Jehova at my front door. It's bullshit is what it is.
Chris
03-31-2012, 04:05 PM
"libertarian vs hippie"
Actually during the late 60s Rothbard actively sought an alliance with the "hippies" with the common ground both were anti-state. It went nowhere, he gave it up quickly. I think what he discovered was a bottom-line difference between anarchocapitalism, which is based on private property, and he favored, and anarchosocialism, which would abolish private property. I remember attending protests in Chicago, after the 68 Convention, and saw the same thing, behind most of it were socialist agitators. And the negativity toward soldiers was completely misplaced. Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters.
"libertarian vs hippie"
Actually during the late 60s Rothbard actively sought an alliance with the "hippies" with the common ground both were anti-state. It went nowhere, he gave it up quickly. I think what he discovered was a bottom-line difference between anarchocapitalism, which is based on private property, and he favored, and anarchosocialism, which would abolish private property. I remember attending protests in Chicago, after the 68 Convention, and saw the same thing, behind most of it were socialist agitators. And the negativity toward soldiers was completely misplaced. Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters.
Along what streets Chris I was round too.
Chris
03-31-2012, 05:38 PM
Man, it's so hazy now, but I remember the Picasso horse so Daley Square. These were after 1968 convention, that I watched with my dad on TV, a Blue Dog who hated hippies.
ramone
03-31-2012, 05:51 PM
Lay off that hash and shrooms Chris, get some microdot or some blotter instead, much more fun times. LOL.................
Man, it's so hazy now, but I remember the Picasso horse so Daley Square. These were after 1968 convention, that I watched with my dad on TV, a Blue Dog who hated hippies.
Hey Chris I wanted you to know I have been looking into those economic videos. I am learning. Quite indepth. Which up until a couple years Back did I start looking into that field. Before then just dabbling around the edges so to speak.
Chris
03-31-2012, 06:17 PM
Thanks, MMC, that's the intent, sharing a bit of knowledge--and believe me, as an amateur, I learn from each one as well. Which reminds me...
Ramone, I don't even drink. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
ramone
03-31-2012, 06:24 PM
Ramone, I don't even drink. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I know Chris, I like to mess with you when I get the chance. You already know that, don't you? It's all in good fun, don't you think?
Yeah, I like to clown around at times and try to get a laugh outta you guys too. :tongue: Don't worry I wasn't planning on giving up my night job for it. :thumbsup20:
ramone
03-31-2012, 06:52 PM
Yeah, I like to clown around at times and try to get a laugh outta you guys too. :tongue: Don't worry I wasn't planning on giving up my night job for it. :thumbsup20:
I had a brother once, problem was that he got no respect, I lost track of him over the years. It was a dangerous situation trying to get hold of him, Do I have any takers, are we related..............OH NO, May the ancient alien's who are supreme take care of our problems and if not then we need to have a sacrifice with a huge club to the side of the head. HMM, Hmm, welll maybe not.
Chris
03-31-2012, 07:06 PM
I know Chris, I like to mess with you when I get the chance. You already know that, don't you? It's all in good fun, don't you think?
How do you know I'm not messing with you? Seriously.
I had a brother once, problem was that he got no respect, I lost track of him over the years. It was a dangerous situation trying to get hold of him, Do I have any takers, are we related..............OH NO, May the ancient alien's who are supreme take care of our problems and if not then we need to have a sacrifice with a huge club to the side of the head. HMM, Hmm, welll maybe not.
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4661599104075891&id=feaddb282424920fff6c51bb9044f263&url=http%3a%2f%2fweknowmemes.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2011%2f09%2facient-aliens-tide-goes-in-tide-goes-out-aliens.jpg
Perk.....
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4790602741711231&id=74e47d477a84ef341fbd11c3fd67007b&url=http%3a%2f%2ffc07.deviantart.net%2ffs70%2fi%2f 2010%2f320%2f9%2fb%2fgiorgio_tsoukalos_by_joeruff-d32zb4z.jpg :wink: :laugh:
People like you spunk are the problem, you want to solve problems that can't be solved. The sands have been killing each other for years, do you think we can force a democracy on them that they don't even want. Tell me, what the hell are we doing there to start with? Please do because I'm at a loss for the reasoning that we should be there pushing our will on somebody else. Reminds me of a Jehova at my front door. It's bullshit is what it is.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm... note who signed this letter, many of who will became the whitehse inner circle in the following admin
dadakarma
03-31-2012, 08:07 PM
Short memories. Good of you to remind everyone, 2Ts. It really wasn't that long ago.
Chris
03-31-2012, 08:10 PM
Yes, neocons, liberals mugged by reality, big government cons whose domestic policies were equally interventionist. And the Obama Administration giving us more of the same. Oh, yeah, except not to spread democracy, to spread humanity.
Mainecoons
03-31-2012, 08:12 PM
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm... note who signed this letter, many of who will became the whitehse inner circle in the following admin
Excellent find 2Ts. Just goes to show you the power and virtue of 20:20 hindsight. LOL
Yes, neocons, liberals mugged by reality, big government cons whose domestic policies were equally interventionist. And the Obama Administration giving us more of the same. Oh, yeah, except not to spread democracy, to spread humanity.
I thought that was Humani-terroism? :wink:
Yes, neocons, liberals mugged by reality, big government cons whose domestic policies were equally interventionist. And the Obama Administration giving us more of the same. Oh, yeah, except not to spread democracy, to spread humanity.
Obama has been as much a neocon as anyone else to be sure, he's clearly following the same foreign policies
Mainecoons
03-31-2012, 08:17 PM
Yup. You're batting a thousand today.
:wink:
dadakarma
03-31-2012, 08:19 PM
Obama has been as much a neocon as anyone else to be sure, he's clearly following the same foreign policies
Bush Lite. Now we're fighting the *right* war in Afghanistan.:rollseyes:
Peter1469
03-31-2012, 08:29 PM
Obama has been as much a neocon as anyone else to be sure, he's clearly following the same foreign policies
Presidents have almost no power domestically, particularly when their party is not in control of Congress. Foreign policy is where Presidents make names for themselves. Geopolitics forces presidents to follow particular paths regardless of party. It is no wonder than Obama continued Bush's foreign policy. It is the natural result of wielding the power of the US presidency.
wingrider
03-31-2012, 09:22 PM
say did you all hear the one about the Hippy that put odor eaters in his boots?
he took 3 steps and disappeared
say did you all hear the one about the Hippy that put odor eaters in his boots?
he took 3 steps and disappeared
:hippy2: :laugh:
Chris
03-31-2012, 11:27 PM
Bush Lite. Now we're fighting the *right* war in Afghanistan.:rollseyes:
*left*
Peter1469
03-31-2012, 11:42 PM
We won our war in Afghanistan in December 2001. Everything after that has been mission creep. To satisfy some crazy nation building fetish. A tragic mistake and a waste of money.
ramone
04-01-2012, 07:46 AM
How do you know I'm not messing with you? Seriously.
I don't, but you have in the past. Haven't you :) It breaks up the monotone debates of right vs left on a forum. To bad it can't be right vs wrong. LOL
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