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Cigar
05-13-2014, 12:21 PM
According to two new studies, the collapse of much of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet may now be irreversible. That could ultimately mean 10 feet of sea level rise.

—By Chris Mooney
| Mon May 12, 2014 5:07 PM EDT

If you truly understand global warming, then you know it's all about the ice. That's what matters. Planet Earth has not always had great ice sheets at the poles, of the sort that currently exist atop Greenland and Antarctica. In other periods, much of that water has instead been in liquid form, in the oceans—and the oceans have been much higher.

How much? According to the National Academy of Sciences, the globe's great ice sheets contain enough frozen water to raise sea levels worldwide by more than 60 meters. That's about 200 feet. And it makes all the sea level rise that we've seen so far due to global warming appear piddly and insignificant.

That's why scientists have long feared a day like this would come. Two new scientific papers, in the journals Science and Geophysical Research Letters, report that major glaciers that are part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appear to have become irrevocably destabilized. The whole process may still play out on the scale of centuries, but due to the particular dynamics of this ice sheet, the collapse of these major glaciers now "appears unstoppable," according to NASA (whose researchers are behind one of the two studies).

This Antarctic glacier may be history, says new research. It contains almost two feet of sea level rise, and that's just the beginning. NASA.

http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/top-of-content-main/thwaites_glacier_630px.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+motherjones%2Fmain+%28MotherJ ones.com+Main+Article+Feed%29&utm_content=FaceBook

Mr. Mensch
05-13-2014, 12:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t1xC4zBeY4

Gasp! Aargh!

Captain Obvious
05-13-2014, 12:32 PM
There is no intelligent discussion on tPF regarding climate change, only mindless idiocy from the institutionalized, which is unfortunate.

There are a couple of smart people here on both sides of the debate who could really I believe get an objective, productive discussion going but I have little doubt that this discussion would quickly be overran by throngs of monkeys.

Hell, someone can't even post a thread in the "serious discussion" area without some monkey immediately shitting on it. So much for "serious discussion".

Heyduke
05-13-2014, 12:52 PM
Ice sheets breaking off and collapsing into the sea is a natural process known as 'calving'. In fact, the more abundant the ice, the more dramatic calving you're likely to witness. But, to witness a sheet of ice splashing into the big blue ocean is a dramatic visual that occupies the small minds of global warmageddeonists who lack the capacity to understand the more technical aspects of climate change.

Changes in ocean chemistry, the release of a massive methane belch from the depths, the stifling of ocean currents, algal blooms, etc.., are all of greater concern, but more difficult for school children to understand than a sad looking polar bear floating alone on a shrinking circle of ice.

All in all, whether you're talking about the Great Lakes or the Poles, it's been a good year for ice and snow (with the exception of Tahoe).
"Since reaching its annual maximum extent on March 21, Arctic sea ice extent has declined somewhat unevenly, but has consistently been well below its average 1981 to 2010 extent. While the rate of Arctic-wide retreat was rapid through the first half of April, it has subsequently slowed down. However, ice breakup was quite early in the Bering Sea, presenting difficulties for gold dredging operations and seal hunters in the region. In the Antarctic, sea ice continued to reach record high extents."
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The Sage of Main Street
05-13-2014, 02:56 PM
Real scientists, instead of the minor leaguers who go into climatology, would bomb these floats so they'd be small enough to tow to a reservoir. We could build thousands of miles of pipelines from the reservoirs to end droughts forever.

zelmo1234
05-13-2014, 03:05 PM
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17695/did-the-arctic-ice-sheet-grow-by-60-from-2012-to-2013

Well it appears that it has massively increased! False alarm!

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