Sex Offender Registries

[CreepyOldDude]

I've generally considered sex offender registries to be a good thing, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

What do California, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont all have in common?

If you're busted for public urination, you have to register as a sex offender. Note that there's no requirement that anyone other than the cop see you pee.

In Colorado, a boy of 13 was placed on the registry for trying to give another child at his elementary school too many hugs.

Seriously? These pass for sex offenses now? What the hell is wrong with our politicians? Hell, what's wrong with our citizens?

[Peter1469]

The registries are good. Their misuse is bad.

[The Xl]

A 18 year old sleeping consensually with a 16 year old can put you on the list in some states.

It's quite ridiculous. It should be reserved for actual rapists.

[Peter1469]

I am surprised. Only two sex offenders listed for my zip code.

[donttread]

I've generally considered sex offender registries to be a good thing, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

What do California, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont all have in common?

If you're busted for public urination, you have to register as a sex offender. Note that there's no requirement that anyone other than the cop see you pee.

In Colorado, a boy of 13 was placed on the registry for trying to give another child at his elementary school too many hugs.

Seriously? These pass for sex offenses now? What the hell is wrong with our politicians? Hell, what's wrong with our citizens?



Ah, but we must feed the global prison industrial complex. And as X1 points out an 18 year old sleeping with his 16 year old girlfriend constitutes "sex crime" Never mind that the same girl can drive a car, leave home without parental consent and be tried for crimes as an adult

[Cigar]

The registries are good. Their misuse is bad.


Just like thousand of other things ... :wink:

[CreepyOldDude]

The registries are good. Their misuse is bad.

But the misuse is written into the law, now.

The registries, as originally conceived, were a good thing. But political grandstanding has now turned so many innocuous activities into sex crimes, that we have people being put on the registries for things that aren't really sex crimes.

A guy I work with has an 11 year old daughter who just missed having to register. She and some friends were skinny dipping last year. She took a picture of her friends in the water, and posted it online. The local DA found out, and pushed for a conviction for the production and distribution of child pornography. Thankfully, the judge tossed it out, with prejudice.

[Captain Obvious]

I've generally considered sex offender registries to be a good thing, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

What do California, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont all have in common?

If you're busted for public urination, you have to register as a sex offender. Note that there's no requirement that anyone other than the cop see you pee.

In Colorado, a boy of 13 was placed on the registry for trying to give another child at his elementary school too many hugs.

Seriously? These pass for sex offenses now? What the hell is wrong with our politicians? Hell, what's wrong with our citizens?

Can you cite sources?

The devil is always in the detail.

[CreepyOldDude]

A 18 year old sleeping consensually with a 16 year old can put you on the list in some states.

It's quite ridiculous. It should be reserved for actual rapists.

In several states, two 16 years olds who have consensual sex would both be sex offenders.

[CreepyOldDude]

Can you cite sources?

The devil is always in the detail.

Sure thing. You'll have to look some of them up with Google.

California, Cal. Penal Code 314(1)-(2), 290.
Idaho, Idaho Code Ann. 18-4116, 8306, 8304.
Kentucky, Ky. Rev. Stat. Ann. 510.148, 17.520, 500, 510.150.
Massachusetts, Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272 16, ALM GL ch. 6 178G, 178C.
Michigan, Mich. Comp. Laws 167(1)(f), 28.722, 723.
New Hampshire, N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. 651-B:1, RSA 651-B:2, 645:1(II), (III).
Oklahoma, 57 Okl.St. 582.21, 1021.
South Carolina, S.C. Code Ann. 23-3-430.
Utah, Utah Code Ann. 77-27-21.5, 76-9-702.5.
Vermont, Vt. Stat. Ann. Tit. 13, 2601, 5407, 5401.
Human Rights Watch report 2007 (http://www.hrw.org/node/10685/section/6#_ftn109)
7 Surprising Things That Could Make You A Sex Offender (http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-things-that-could-make-you-a-sex-offender-2013-10)

[Redrose]

The registries are good. Their misuse is bad.

I couldn't agree with you more. My court experience showed how sex offender labels can be abused.
A 15 year old boy having consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend was convicted of sex battery, given prison time and labeled a sexual offender......for LIFE. That is just wrong. The girl was not charged.

A local businessman, 33, drove to the high school track, parked his car, took off his pants, changed his shoes and ran the track for exercise, in gym shorts. He did it many times before. This day a female teacher saw him, reported him. He was charged with indecent exposure (taking his pants off) on school grounds.
He was tried, convicted and sentenced as a "sexual PREDATOR" which is worse than offender. He lost his appeal too. His life was ruined.

The sex battery statutes are being abused by an overly aggressive judicial system.

[GrassrootsConservative]

I am surprised. Only two sex offenders listed for my zip code.

I just looked it up for the first time and my zip code is literally riddled with sex offenders.
:killme:

/Edit: At least 50 just in my zip code, a small part of the city.

[Cigar]

I am surprised. Only two sex offenders listed for my zip code.


Then you should be worried :laugh:

[GrassrootsConservative]

I just looked it up for the first time and my zip code is literally riddled with sex offenders.
:killme:

/Edit: At least 50 just in my zip code, a small part of the city.


262 apparently is the "official" number for my zip code. 4th least in the city, actually. I'm stunned to see that one of the zip codes in my city has 1,643 registered sex offenders. That's ridiculous.

[darroll]

Peeing outside?

[Captain Obvious]

Peeing outside?

Yeah, I'm skeptical too.

I asked for sources and got a bunch of gobblidygoop.

[del]

they spelled my name wrong

[CreepyOldDude]

Yeah, I'm skeptical too.

I asked for sources and got a bunch of gobblidygoop.

I'm sorry, cites to the specific sections of the laws in question are gooblidygoop?

What do you consider good cites, then?

[CreepyOldDude]

Someone asked for sources for what I was saying, and I provided cites of the laws in question, right down to the sections. Apparently, when this person asks for a source, they don't want the actual source. So, to help this person out, I googled the CA law, and went to the first law firm website I found that dealt with the law in question. Here's a link to the website: <Link (http://www.shouselaw.com/indecent-exposure.html)>

Note that the actual law is for Indecent Exposure, rather than specifically public urination. Still, unless one has mastered the art of urinating without the use of one's genitalia, or one wears diapers, or just enjoys wearing wet pants, you had to expose part of your body to urinate.


2.3. California "indecent exposure" and the duty to register as a sex offender As previously stated, one of the penalties for an indecent exposure conviction is the lifetime duty to register as a sex offender pursuant to Penal Code 290 PC (http://www.shouselaw.com/registration.html).27 California law imposes this punishment regardless of whether you're convicted of Penal Code 314 PC as a misdemeanor or as a felony.
The Penal Code 290 PC lifetime registration requirement is an extremely harsh penalty. For one thing, it lasts for your entire life. For another, if you fail to comply with the registration requirement, you can be charged with the crime of failure to register as a sex offender (http://www.shouselaw.com/failure_to_register.html).
Failing to register as a sex offender is a felony if you are required to register because of a felony indecent exposure conviction . . . and a misdemeanor if you are required to register because of a misdemeanor indecent exposure conviction.28 Penalties can include up to one (1) year in county jail . . . or up to three (3) years in state prison.29
It should be noted that most licensed professional associations discipline their members if they receive a California sex crime conviction that requires sex offender registration. This is generally the case for


doctors' medical board licenses,
dental board licenses,
nursing licenses,
and similar professional licenses.