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dattaswami
04-30-2012, 09:06 PM
The effect of Yoga is not to aspire any fruit from God
Yoga is basis of spirituality
Yoga means equal enjoyment of both misery and happiness.

The Gita is called as Yoga Shasthra, which means the subject of Yoga. Yoga is the basis for spiritual development. The effect of Yoga is not to aspire any fruit from God. Generally, people pray and love God to remove the misery and get happiness. But, if you can enjoy both misery and happiness equally, there is no need of praying or loving God for the removal of misery. Yoga means equal enjoyment of both misery and happiness. In such case, you need not pray God for the removal of misery.

The house owner served both sweet and hot dishes in your meals. You are going to enjoy both dishes equally. In such case, there is no need for begging the house holder to remove the hot dishes from meals. When there is no purpose with God, the prayer and love become useless. Generally, we pray or love somebody if there is some purpose. But, if you can love God without any purpose, that is the real love and devotion to God. Yoga removes the need of purpose with God. In the absence of purpose, if you still love God, it is the real love or devotion. You should not think that devotion to God in the absence of any purpose is blind love. If you really analyze, such devotion is not blind because there is valid reason for such devotion also. God created this world and controlled the balance of this universe so that you are enjoying both the materialistic life and spiritual life. You are indebted to God. Therefore, your devotion to God becomes your expression of gratefulness for the favor already done by God. Since Yoga removes the purpose with God because it [Yoga] preaches equal enjoyment of misery and happiness, Yoga is considered to be the basis for the devotion to God.


Enjoying misery is the right path than being neutral to it

You may argue that the equality in enjoyment of both misery and happiness alone is not necessary to remove the purpose with God. Even if you maintain the neutrality to happiness and misery, the purpose with God [Generally people approach God with a purpose to get their desires ful filled. It is a business mentality] is removed. When you are neutral to everything, you have no purpose with God. Therefore, if we say that the definition of Yoga as the equality in the neutrality in both happiness and misery, then also, such Yoga can be the basis for the real devotion to God. When the final aim is served in the other way also, why not support that way of meaning as the real meaning of Yoga? This is correct for the sake of argument. But, in view of the practicality, it becomes absurd. The human being is awareness and not inertness.

The human being is not a stone, which is naturally neutral. The human being is inherently awareness and not inertness as in the stone. Therefore, the human being has to put lot of effort to be inert so that it can be neutral to both happiness and misery[ as present advaitins are trying to achieve]. The stone need not put any effort to be inert because inertness is the inherent characteristic of a stone. In spite of hectic effort, the neutrality of a stone cannot be achieved by the human being since its inherent characteristic is awareness, which feels and reacts to the situations.

MMC
05-01-2012, 08:14 AM
Yoga and Fruit? Datta, you weren't trying to sneak in an Activia Commercial with Jamie Lee Curtis now, were you? :laugh:







































Thats Right CL.....Bet ya thought I posted up a pic of Pete Rose. :evil: :kiss:

Conley
05-01-2012, 08:17 AM
:roflmao: You got me...I scrolled down, and nothing.

:cry:

MMC
05-01-2012, 08:21 AM
Well I didnt want to put up a pic of Jamie or her Song about her having a gun. :evil: Datta might not have liked it. :rollseyes:

dattaswami
05-01-2012, 10:26 AM
Yoga and Fruit? Datta, you weren't trying to sneak in an Activia Commercial with Jamie Lee Curtis now, were you? :laugh:













Thats Right CL.....Bet ya thought I posted up a pic of Pete Rose. :evil: :kiss:


The word yoga denotes the lucky achievement of God in human form. There can be no better yoga than this. Yoga means fortunate achievement. Putra yoga means fortunate achievement of children. Dhana yoga means fortunate achievement of wealth. Yoga means the real achievement, which is the fortunate achievement of God in alive human form. Geeta is called as Yoga Shastra because it is the real achievement of God in alive human form called as Krishna (any contemporary human incarnation).

Therefore, the norms for achievement of God are:
1) The development of practical sacrifice without aspiring anything in return and
2) the victory over ego and jealousy to recognize the contemporary human incarnation.

The first is achieved during the path of karma and the second is achieved during the path of knowledge just before the diversion from south to north.

dattaswami
05-01-2012, 10:27 AM
Well I didnt want to put up a pic of Jamie or her Song about her having a gun. :evil: Datta might not have liked it. :rollseyes:
The word ‘DATTA’ actually means that God is given to the human beings by Himself through human form in every human generation. If the yoga (achievement of God in human form) is not achieved in this human life, such opportunity maybe even impossible in the future births. Such fortunate attainment is the real meaning of yoga and without knowing this, people are wasting time in breathing exercises and other physical exercises. Of course, such exercises are also good for the mental and the physical health of the body, which is essential in the service of God in the human form. A sick and weak person cannot serve God. Hence, yoga starts with such achievement of good health and this preliminary state is included in the beginning of yoga. Control of mind and senses also helps to attain good health. But, if you stop yoga after attaining good health, it is only a topic of medical science and not spiritual knowledge.

This state is like passing the entrance examination to achieve a seat in a professional college. The career is not stopped by simply joining the professional college. You have to put hard work in getting a distinction in the professional degree to achieve the final fruit. Such professional degree or the latter part of yoga starts with the recognition of alive human form of God and serving it.

dadakarma
05-01-2012, 10:28 AM
How many posts does it take before the 'spam' light goes on? :roflmao:

Mister D
05-01-2012, 10:36 AM
How many posts does it take before the 'spam' light goes on? :roflmao:

He participates in discussion more than you do! :roflmao:

MMC
05-01-2012, 12:39 PM
The word ‘DATTA’ actually means that God is given to the human beings by Himself through human form in every human generation. If the yoga (achievement of God in human form) is not achieved in this human life, such opportunity maybe even impossible in the future births. Such fortunate attainment is the real meaning of yoga and without knowing this, people are wasting time in breathing exercises and other physical exercises. Of course, such exercises are also good for the mental and the physical health of the body, which is essential in the service of God in the human form. A sick and weak person cannot serve God. Hence, yoga starts with such achievement of good health and this preliminary state is included in the beginning of yoga. Control of mind and senses also helps to attain good health. But, if you stop yoga after attaining good health, it is only a topic of medical science and not spiritual knowledge.

This state is like passing the entrance examination to achieve a seat in a professional college. The career is not stopped by simply joining the professional college. You have to put hard work in getting a distinction in the professional degree to achieve the final fruit. Such professional degree or the latter part of yoga starts with the recognition of alive human form of God and serving it.

Thanks For responding D-Swammi.....I wouldnt worry to much about any cackling. Please Continue. :wink:

roadmaster
05-01-2012, 12:52 PM
Not only can it be harmful if not practiced correctly and is completely incompatible with Christianity be careful not to awaken Kundalini better known as the coiled serpent. Some Christians not knowing better have often been able to hear the hiss of that old serpent.

MMC
05-01-2012, 07:50 PM
He participates in discussion more than you do! :roflmao:

Guess she didnt figure out that he was an actual member. Albeit he just posts in religions. Course she could always attempt to take on his Eastern Theories with his teachings and the Creator. :wink: