View Full Version : Jesus: pacifist or King of Kings
wingrider
05-26-2012, 02:59 PM
all through the New testament especailly the 4 gospels fo Mathew, Mark Luke and John Jesus is pretty much protrayed as a pacifist, you know turn the other cheek etc etc,, but in revelation when He returns He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and will rule with A fist of Iron.. the question is this:
Do you want to meet Jesus as the Kind and loving savior, or as the King of Kings?
Mister D
05-26-2012, 03:31 PM
I don't think Christ is portrayed as a pacifist. Some of his purported statements have been interpreted that way over the ages but my God is not just one of mercy and love. He is a God of justice. I think the both the New and Old Testaments support my position.
wingrider
05-26-2012, 05:54 PM
I don't think Christ is portrayed as a pacifist. Some of his purported statements have been interpreted that way over the ages but my God is not just one of mercy and love. He is a God of justice. I think the both the New and Old Testaments support my position.
of course you are correct..but I was using the liberal interpretation that Christ was a pacifist due to the turning the other cheek part
Frogger
05-26-2012, 07:00 PM
While Jesus said to turn the other cheek he also whipped the moneylenders from the temple. Pacifist or King of Kings don't have to be mutually exclusive.
wingrider
05-26-2012, 07:24 PM
true.. they are aspects of both his atributes of savior ( first advent) and his final appearing ( King of Kings)
Mister D
05-26-2012, 08:15 PM
of course you are correct..but I was using the liberal interpretation that Christ was a pacifist due to the turning the other cheek part
It's an old socialist concept that has been borrowed by today's progressives. The socialists of yesteryear were somewhat sincere but contemporary progressives are utterly disingenuous. Case in point: gophangover.
wingrider
05-26-2012, 08:47 PM
It's an old socialist concept that has been borrowed by today's progressives. The socialists of yesteryear were somewhat sincere but contemporary progressives are utterly disingenuous. Case in point: gophangover.
i will give you that one for sure.
Sultan
05-27-2012, 03:40 AM
Jesus was just a prophet.
He will return as a prophet once more at the end days.
Then he will join the rest of the prophets sent by God, in heaven with the good people who follow Gods message.
wingrider
05-27-2012, 09:55 AM
Jesus was just a prophet.
He will return as a prophet once more at the end days.
Then he will join the rest of the prophets sent by God, in heaven with the good people who follow Gods message. you might want to read the book of revelation and the book of John,, cause they both say you are in error..
KSigMason
05-28-2012, 12:43 AM
all through the New testament especailly the 4 gospels fo Mathew, Mark Luke and John Jesus is pretty much protrayed as a pacifist, you know turn the other cheek etc etc,, but in revelation when He returns He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and will rule with A fist of Iron.. the question is this:
Do you want to meet Jesus as the Kind and loving savior, or as the King of Kings?
To his followers, there is nothing to fear of His wrath.
Sultan
05-28-2012, 05:06 AM
you might want to read the book of revelation and the book of John,, cause they both say you are in error..
I dont have to read these books.
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Mat 27 : 46
Can God die?
If God died on Friday afternoon then who was in charge of creation till Sunday ?
Do you really believe God died?
Can a God die?
No Jesus was a prophet.
God cannot die.
Mister D
05-28-2012, 08:45 AM
That's the first verse of Psalm 22. In other words, Christ is praying to the Father on the cross. Jesus is both a man and God.
Habib, learn something about Christian theology before commenting on it. If you'd rather not read and understand Christian texts it's probably best that you don't talk about them. :)
To his followers, there is nothing to fear of His wrath.
...as long as you do what you're told. Is that aspirational? How do you reconcile that with freedom and liberty?
It's a lot of nonsense, isn't it. You are randomly born into a religion. If you're born in one country, you may fall into Islam. If you're born in another, you're a Catholic or Jewish or w/e. All of the religions say their own religion is the way to God. As well to follow a football team.
A man made the whole thing up. In the case of Jesus, a really good man, but he was a man. It may be pointless to ponder the OP, it will never happen.
Mister D
05-28-2012, 12:29 PM
...as long as you do what you're told. Is that aspirational? How do you reconcile that with freedom and liberty?
Freedom and liberty to do what? As I please? You can't do as you please in Scotland. How do you reconcile that fact with Scottish pretensions to freedom and liberty? What freedoms and what liberty are we talking about?
I dont have to read these books.
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Mat 27 : 46
Can God die?
If God died on Friday afternoon then who was in charge of creation till Sunday ?
Do you really believe God died?
Can a God die?
No Jesus was a prophet.
God cannot die.
No one said God could die.....so why bloviate over such a statement. At least Jesus wasn't a False Prophet Like that of Mohammed. The Only So called Holy Man that Walked away from his God for that Almighty Coined Money. Today commonly referred to as the Dollar.
Goldie Locks
05-28-2012, 03:35 PM
it's an old socialist concept that has been borrowed by today's progressives. The socialists of yesteryear were somewhat sincere but contemporary progressives are utterly disingenuous. Case in point: Gophangover.
lmfao!!!!!!!!!!
Goldie Locks
05-28-2012, 03:40 PM
I dont have to read these books.
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Mat 27 : 46
Can God die?
If God died on Friday afternoon then who was in charge of creation till Sunday ?
Do you really believe God died?
Can a God die?
No Jesus was a prophet.
God cannot die.
Jesus was the son of God.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Frogger
05-28-2012, 07:59 PM
The great mystery of Christianity is that while Jesus was the Son of God, he was also God, coequal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Christian God is a Triune God, one God in three persons. God the Father is God the Creator, God the Son is God the Reconcilor and God the Holy Spirit is God the Advocate. They are three aspects of the same God.
Goldie Locks
05-28-2012, 08:49 PM
The great mystery of Christianity is that while Jesus was the Son of God, he was also God, coequal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Christian God is a Triune God, one God in three persons. God the Father is God the Creator, God the Son is God the Reconcilor and God the Holy Spirit is God the Advocate. They are three aspects of the same God.
Jesus was God in the flesh, but was like us and lived among us in the flesh.
wingrider
05-28-2012, 11:22 PM
I dont have to read these books.
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Mat 27 : 46
Can God die?
If God died on Friday afternoon then who was in charge of creation till Sunday ?
Do you really believe God died?
Can a God die?
No Jesus was a prophet.
God cannot die.
idiotic statement.. The reason why Jesus said that is at the moment it was uttered He was carrying the Sins of the world with him on the cross as Gods scrificial lamb.. God cannot abide sin, therefor he had to forsake Jesus at the moment of his death..But Gods great mercy and Grace was sufficient for Him to resuurect Jesus 3 days later..
before you comment idiotically on the Christian faith.. Learn something about it first so you don't come across as ignorant.
Freedom and liberty to do what? As I please? You can't do as you please in Scotland. How do you reconcile that fact with Scottish pretensions to freedom and liberty? What freedoms and what liberty are we talking about?
Whatever being Scottish has to do with anything...:rollseyes:
Law is constructed according to evolving cultural trends and necessity and changes with it, albeit lagging behind. Religion dictates. Which is better for people?
Law is replacing religion, as it should.
Sultan
05-31-2012, 04:28 AM
That's the first verse of Psalm 22. In other words, Christ is praying to the Father on the cross. Jesus is both a man and God.
Habib, learn something about Christian theology before commenting on it. If you'd rather not read and understand Christian texts it's probably best that you don't talk about them. :)
No Jesus is a prophet.
Millions of Christians worship Mary and all these supposed saints and their Lord Jesus and they hardly ever mention God.
Millions of Christians worship and pray to teeth and bones and bits of hair and bow before crosses and altars and statues and old dried bits of cloth in wooden boxes. That was all Christians before they split into their different sects. before in one instance the King Henry of England destroyed much of those idols that a lot still worship today..
In Egypt you will see images of Mary everywhere and the Coptic Christians all have Mary on their graves and cemeteries not a mention of God.
Sultan
05-31-2012, 04:31 AM
No one said God could die.....so why bloviate over such a statement. At least Jesus wasn't a False Prophet Like that of Mohammed. The Only So called Holy Man that Walked away from his God for that Almighty Coined Money. Today commonly referred to as the Dollar.
If Jesus is God then God die die on that cross as you believe till Sunday
The thing is God did not die.
Jesus is just a prophet like the rest including Mohammed peace be upon all of them.
If Jesus is God then God die die on that cross as you believe till Sunday
The thing is God did not die.
Jesus is just a prophet like the rest including Mohammed peace be upon all of them.
I agree on that fact that GOD or Creator of All Things cannot die. Now as far as Mohammed being a Prophet. Highly unlikely since most of his teachings came from others. Course him walking away from his so called life as a Holy Man. Puts all that in perspective. Mohammed a Prophet.....not even close. Try Charlatan. Brings that X to Spot the Mark!
Frogger
05-31-2012, 11:09 AM
No Jesus is a prophet.
Millions of Christians worship Mary and all these supposed saints and their Lord Jesus and they hardly ever mention God.
Millions of Christians worship and pray to teeth and bones and bits of hair and bow before crosses and altars and statues and old dried bits of cloth in wooden boxes. That was all Christians before they split into their different sects. before in one instance the King Henry of England destroyed much of those idols that a lot still worship today..
In Egypt you will see images of Mary everywhere and the Coptic Christians all have Mary on their graves and cemeteries not a mention of God.
Christians do not worship Mary. Some Christians, chiefly Roman Catholics honor Mary and ask her to intercede with her son. They also ask the saints to intercede. That is in no way the same as worship.
Christians do not pray to hair, teeth, bits of bone or pieces of cloth. These relics are not objects of worship but rather objects deep respect since they are associated with saints.
Just as there are different sects in Islam, Sunni, Shia, Suffi, Wahabi, etc. there are different sects within Christianity and just as there is a central core belief in Islam that there is but one God and Mohammad is his prophet there is one central core belief in Christianity that there is but one God who is manifest in three persons.
You believe Jesus was simply a prophet on a par with people like Moses. You elevate Mohammad to a higher plane as the last prophet. As a Christian I believe Jesus is far more than a mere prophet. I believe he is one of the aspects of God. I also believe Mohammad was a charlatan, political oportunist and pedophile who married a nine year old girl and who condoned sex with young children. I find nothing loving in the message of Mohammad. He was in favor of conversion by the sword. I also find very little love in the vast majority of his followers. Muslims are, in my opinion, the most unforgiving people in the world. They believe in killing anyone who converts to a different religion, killing homosexuals, killing wives and daughters who do not act respectfully enough, and basically killing anyone who is not exactly like them.
Christian do not worship Mary. Some Christians, chiefly Roman Catholics honor Mary and ask her to intercede with her son. They also ask the saints to intercede. That is in no way the same as worship.
Christians do not pray to hair, teeth, bits of bone or pieces of cloth. These relics are not objects of worship but rather objects deep respect since they are associated with saints.
Just as there are different sects in Islam, Sunni, Shia, Suffi, Wahabi, etc. there are different sects within Christianity and just as there is a central core belief in Islam that there is but one God and Mohammad is his prophet there is one central core belief in Christianity that there is but one God who is manifest in three persons.
You believe Jesus was simply a prophet on a par with people like Moses. You elivate Mohammad to a higher plane as the last prophet. As a Christian I believe Jesus is far more than a mere prophet. I believe he is one of the aspects of God. I also believe Mohammad was a charlatan, pedophile who married a nine year old girl and who condoned sex with young children.
Well he was a lousy buisnessman to, which thru his shady dealings, ended up getting him killed. Just Sayin! :wink:
roadmaster
05-31-2012, 02:03 PM
If Jesus is God then God die die on that cross as you believe till Sunday
The thing is God did not die.
Jesus is just a prophet like the rest including Mohammed peace be upon all of them.
Ok, we believe their is only one God as I am sure you do also. That we have in common. We believe He sent His only begotten son Jesus and he died on the cross for our and all human sins. We believe the old and new testament is the same God. In addition, as the God-Man, Jesus was not only truly God (God the Son), but He was also truly man without sin.
The next question some will ask is why on the cross did he cry out to the Father. Because that is the effect of sin on humanity and bearing all sins. But God said He will never leave you nor forsake you.
I am not Catholic but it is my understanding they don't pray to Mary just acknowledge her.
Now Mohammed, no I am not going to cut him down. Even the ones who walked with Jesus were not perfect. Just like David Mohammed was not sinless. Even in the Koran a man is only to have 4 wifes but Mohammed had more. Jesus said one man and one woman.
Many Muslims forget what the Koran says: An example- Mohammed states he is not the greatest prophet, he does not know what will happen to his followers after death and he is only a Warner. Two if you are in doubt about the truth, ask those who read the Scripture that came before you. Three, Christians are humble and compassionate and know the truth when they hear it, to be a proper Muslim, one must read the Before Books the Old and New Testaments. Four,those who observe the teaching of the Torah and the Gospels will go to heaven and last but not least Jesus knows the way to Allah.
The strongest passage is in Surah Al-Imran 3:42-55. Read this he explains a lot.
All man fall short and sin but even if you listen to him and he was not accepted and became angry, you can still hear the truth in some his words. Allah does not want us killing each other for Him. We must be willing to give our hearts and souls to Him.
shaarona
09-05-2012, 04:31 AM
of course you are correct..but I was using the liberal interpretation that Christ was a pacifist due to the turning the other cheek part
Have you ever considered the Sermon on the Mount in the context of the Roman Occupation and Roman law as it was applied in Palestine?
idiotic statement.. The reason why Jesus said that is at the moment it was uttered He was carrying the Sins of the world with him on the cross as Gods scrificial lamb.. God cannot abide sin, therefor he had to forsake Jesus at the moment of his death..But Gods great mercy and Grace was sufficient for Him to resuurect Jesus 3 days later..
before you comment idiotically on the Christian faith.. Learn something about it first so you don't come across as ignorant.
Is it that God resurrected him or Death couldn't hold him? If I remember correctly he walked as a man in the days of the OT. Plus where did he go in those three days? Some suggest he went to Hell or whatever the name of it to preach salvation to the dead.
Have you ever considered the Sermon on the Mount in the context of the Roman Occupation and Roman law as it was applied in Palestine?
Of course, he did use the Roman Coinage as an example of God's blessing upon Government an to stipulate its limitations.
shaarona
09-10-2012, 03:13 PM
Of course, he did use the Roman Coinage as an example of God's blessing upon Government an to stipulate its limitations.
You mean render unto caesar.....
Well, I see that a bit differently.. The Jewish elders were trying to trick Jesus so they could call him an idolater... The head of Caesar was on every coin.
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