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Peter1469
12-25-2014, 08:10 AM
Still unsolved, JonBenet Ramsey's remains a mystery. A very long article about it. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html)



From the day in 1996 when JonBenet was found dead in the basement of her home in Boulder, Colorado, the Boulder police and a large proportion of the world's media believed that her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, were responsible for her death.



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The killer?

Now once again the case is in the spotlight as John Mark Karr, an American citizen in his early forties, has been arrested in Thailand after allegedly confessing to the killing of JonBenet. Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy, according to the Denver Post, was contacted by Michael Tracey, a University of Colorado journalism professor who had been communicating via email with Karr for at least two years. Several weeks ago, Tracey became very concerned about the content of Karr's messages and brought them to the attention of Boulder law enforcement.

Common
12-25-2014, 08:29 AM
Isnt Karr the same guy they had brought in for questioning when it happened

Peter1469
12-25-2014, 08:34 AM
I think that for a long time the cops focused on the parents.

Max Rockatansky
12-25-2014, 08:35 AM
This case has been hinky from the beginning. The evidence suggest the parents were involved some how and the Grand Jury agreed, but the DA refused to sign the indictment against the parents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/justice/jonbenet-ramsey-documents/
2012: John Ramsey: From grief to grace
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/131025092050-01-jonbenet-ramsey-story-body.jpgGrand jury: Ramseys partly responsible
The grand jury had alleged that Patricia Paugh Ramsey, who died from ovarian cancer in 2006, and husband John Bennett Ramsey "did ... permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey."

The grand jury also had alleged that each parent "did ... render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death."

The documents provide no further details on who that "person" was. The grand jury had accused the couple of committing the offenses "on or between December 25 and December 26, 1996." JonBenet was found murdered in the basement of the family's Boulder home the day after Christmas 1996.

....But then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter said there was insufficient evidence to warrant filing charges. He did not sign the indictment, according to the Daily Camera. It had remained sealed until Friday.

sachem
12-25-2014, 09:10 AM
I had forgotten all about her. Isn't it strange how DNA can rule out, but often doesn't rule in anyone? We will probably never know what happened.

Common
12-25-2014, 09:27 AM
I think that for a long time the cops focused on the parents.

I know that but there were two other suspects and I think this guy was one

Common
12-25-2014, 09:30 AM
Truth is the police totally screwed that case up, Inexperienced police. The first cop on the scene demolished the crime scene, walking all over it and allowing everyone else to walk all over it.

The crime scene can "talk" to police and tell them secrets but not if its been completely compromised. Thats why this case had very little chance from the start to be solved.

Calypso Jones
12-25-2014, 09:39 AM
Really I think that the miracles that we think the police can perform are nothing more than the hype we get on TV Crime shows. Not to demean the human-ness of the police..they do good often...but as far as this detective stuff... They make their mistakes. There are more unsolved crimes out there than we realize...often we don't even know about them. People who just disappear and are never seen or heard from again. My husband's grandmother's son got out of the army went up into some holler in Virginia somewhere, something happened...nothing ever again. No body, no confession, no clues, nothing. Just gone.

Common
12-25-2014, 09:56 AM
Really I think that the miracles that we think the police can perform are nothing more than the hype we get on TV Crime shows. Not to demean the human-ness of the police..they do good often...but as far as this detective stuff... They make their mistakes. There are more unsolved crimes out there than we realize...often we don't even know about them. People who just disappear and are never seen or heard from again. My husband's grandmother's son got out of the army went up into some holler in Virginia somewhere, something happened...nothing ever again. No body, no confession, no clues, nothing. Just gone.

True, but there is a wide disparity in the competence and training of police depending on size and the amt of crime. Police work is like most others you learn on the job as it happens.

Some depts have 1 homocide every 5 yrs. Some depts can have several a day and they have them everyday. Whos going to be more efficient and effective in solving a case ?

Small depts mean small population and those taxpayers in some instances cannot afford the best in training and equiptment either, they are both VERY expensive today.

Theres alot of factors

strollingbonez
12-25-2014, 04:11 PM
you need to update your research on this......you will find that the guy who confessed was found to be a crack pot..the guy in thailand

Howey
12-25-2014, 04:14 PM
Isnt Karr the same guy they had brought in for questioning when it happened

Yes. He was released.

Dr. Who
12-25-2014, 04:26 PM
Really I think that the miracles that we think the police can perform are nothing more than the hype we get on TV Crime shows. Not to demean the human-ness of the police..they do good often...but as far as this detective stuff... They make their mistakes. There are more unsolved crimes out there than we realize...often we don't even know about them. People who just disappear and are never seen or heard from again. My husband's grandmother's son got out of the army went up into some holler in Virginia somewhere, something happened...nothing ever again. No body, no confession, no clues, nothing. Just gone.
My aunt disappeared many years ago. She was in her early sixties at the time. They have never found a trace of her. She never took anything with her and by all accounts she must have been in her pyjamas at the time.

Bob
12-25-2014, 04:28 PM
This case has been hinky from the beginning. The evidence suggest the parents were involved some how and the Grand Jury agreed, but the DA refused to sign the indictment against the parents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/justice/jonbenet-ramsey-documents/
2012: John Ramsey: From grief to grace
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/131025092050-01-jonbenet-ramsey-story-body.jpgGrand jury: Ramseys partly responsible
The grand jury had alleged that Patricia Paugh Ramsey, who died from ovarian cancer in 2006, and husband John Bennett Ramsey "did ... permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey."

The grand jury also had alleged that each parent "did ... render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death."

The documents provide no further details on who that "person" was. The grand jury had accused the couple of committing the offenses "on or between December 25 and December 26, 1996." JonBenet was found murdered in the basement of the family's Boulder home the day after Christmas 1996.

....But then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter said there was insufficient evidence to warrant filing charges. He did not sign the indictment, according to the Daily Camera. It had remained sealed until Friday.

In 2008, a new district attorney said new DNA evidence cleared the parents and their son in the death.

Bob
12-25-2014, 04:30 PM
Truth is the police totally screwed that case up, Inexperienced police. The first cop on the scene demolished the crime scene, walking all over it and allowing everyone else to walk all over it.

The crime scene can "talk" to police and tell them secrets but not if its been completely compromised. Thats why this case had very little chance from the start to be solved.

From a linked article in post 4..

In 2008, a new district attorney said new DNA evidence cleared the parents and their son in the death.

Bob
12-25-2014, 04:33 PM
I had forgotten all about her. Isn't it strange how DNA can rule out, but often doesn't rule in anyone? We will probably never know what happened.

Her mother passed away. i have their book.

Howey
12-25-2014, 05:24 PM
Yes. He was released.
I was wrong. He confessed (nuts), extradited then released after the DNA results didn't match.

Redrose
12-25-2014, 05:53 PM
I never thought the parents were involved. Karr was a nut. Probably a pedophile. The family opened their home for the Christmas holidays, an open house. All were welcome. It was a large home with many rooms hidden and out of the way. They really had no clue who was trekking through their home. The child was very visable since she was in pageants. It wouldn't be difficult for someone to track her down, find her home and when mom and dad had their well advertised open house, they could go in, unnoticed, welcomed actually, and map it out quite easily. Patsy Ramsey said there could have been several hundred people come through the house during those days. The killer might have hidden in the house the entire night.

The stun gun marks on her neck and the seman indicates a male, not identified.

The "note" puzzles me. Patsy could not be excluded from being the writer, but that does not mean she was the author.

I read an article years ago written by a family friend. She said one theory was the parents panicked when they could not find her. Patsy wrote the note to "light a fire" under the authorities to pull out all the stops and search for her, not just as a "missing" child but as a "kidnapped" child. Later, when she was found dead, Patsy realized how bad the note made them look, and had to deny writing it. Seems logical to me.

In those immediate, terrifying moments, a panicked mother might try anything to get her child back.

waltky
07-25-2016, 11:57 AM
JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect arrested in child porn case...
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Suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's murder arrested in child porn case
June 22, 2016 - A suspect in the murder of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey in 1996 now faces charges of sexually exploiting a child, as prosecutors said Tuesday he was caught with child pornography.


Police in Boulder, Colorado arrested 52-year-old Gary Howard Oliva on Friday. They said he uploaded at least 20 graphic images of children to a Google email address, the Daily Camera reported. Some of the photos showed a girl between the ages of 4 and 7, investigators said. Arrest documents showed he was homeless when police caught him.


http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2016/06/22/suspect-in-jonbenet-ramseys-murder-arrested-in-child-porn-case/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1466617953705.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Police had named Oliva as one of multiple suspects in JonBenet Ramsey's murder. He revealed in a TV interview in 2002 that he wrote a poem entitled "Ode to JonBenet." The program, "48 Hours Investigates," reported that Oliva was a registered sex offender and may have been near the Ramsey family's Boulder home at the time of her death. He also reportedly went to prison for assaulting a 7-year-old girl in Oregon. JonBenet Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her family's home on Dec. 26, 1996. Images of the blonde girl competing in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.

DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but family attorney Lin Wood said detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.


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Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's murder. "We're currently not comfortable ruling anybody out as a suspect, or ruling anybody in as a suspect, in the Ramsey case," city spokeswoman Sarah Huntley told the Daily Camera. A court appearance on Oliva's new charges, including sexual exploitation of a child, was scheduled for July 11. A judge ordered him held on $10,000 bond.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/22/suspect-in-jonbenet-ramseys-murder-arrested-in-child-porn-case.html