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Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 03:49 PM
You'd be hard-pressed to find a person in the world that doesn't know the name of Israel's current Prime Minister, Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu." He is Israel's second Prime Minister to serve three terms, the first being Israel's Founding Father, David Ben-Gurion. What most people don't know about old Bibi is the philosophy that drives him.

Rewind one hundred and thirty five years. On October 18, 1880, Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky was born in Odessa, in the Russian Empire. His family was made up of assimilated Russian Jews, and as such was not Jewish by religion, but was a secular Jew, or Jewish atheist. Later going by the name of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, he founded numerous Jewish organizations, including the Jewish Self-Defense Organization in Odessa and the Jewish Legion of the British Army. He also founded the Betar, Hatzohar, and Irgun. More on those later.

In 1923, Jabotinsky left the Zionist Organization and founded his own Zionist movement, called the Alliance of Revisionists-Zionists. The Revisionists-Zionists spawned a new philosophical branch of Zionism, Revisionist Zionism. Jabotinsky and his Revisionist disciples wanted to establish a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan River and model it after the British Empire. Prior to World War II, Jabotinsky began plans for an armed Jewish revolt against the British in Palestine, no matter the cost, but the start of World War II in 1939 put a quick end to such plans. A year later, in 1940, Jabotinsky died.

Jabotinsky's legacy lived on in the form of the Jewish paramilitary group Irgun and its offshoot, Lehi. Revisionist Zionism is still dedicated to Jabotinsky's goal of a Jewish state that occupies both sides of the Jordan River, and the Revisionists initially opposed the 1947 agreement that established the state of Israel due to the British establishing Transjordan as its own state, thus denying the Revisionists a large chunk of territory that they believed belonged to the new Jewish state. All followers of Revisionist Zionism today consider it their mission to make all of the original British Mandate of Palestine territory of Israel.

Now, back to Irgun. The Irgun was a Zionist paramilitary organization that held to the ideas of Revisionist Zionism and was founded directly by Jabotinsky and his successor, future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The Irgun carried out the bombing of the King David Hotel on July 22, 1946. Ninety one people were killed in the bombing, with another forty six injured. On April 9, 1948, Irgun carried out the Deir Yassin Massacre with the help of another Zionist paramilitary organization, Lehi. This time, the target wasn't British. It was the Palestinian Arab village of Deir Yassin. One hundred and seven of the Arab villagers were murdered and the village was claimed by the Zionists. Irgun members were also responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, British Deputy Resident Minister of State in 1944.

Irgun eventually integrated with the IDF (the Israeli military) after the creation of the state of Israel and a political party was started in its place, the Herut Party. The Herut Party later became the Likud Party, which currently holds control of the Israeli government. Likud is also the party of none other than Benjamin Netanyahu.

Wherever the Revisionist Zionists went, death and destruction followed them, all in the name of creating an Israeli Empire in the Middle East. It should be no surprise, given this history of terrorism and the ultimate endgame of the Revisionists and Likud, that Netanyahu has consistently found every possible excuse not to make peace and tries to sabotage peace efforts with rival factions in the Middle East.

If President Obama's connections to Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should be something to fear, then so should Netanyahu's undeniable connection to Revisionist Zionism.

TrixWitch
02-07-2015, 03:51 PM
He is well connected. You won't see him going away and staying away.

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 03:54 PM
He is well connected. You won't see him going away and staying away.

He has been in the Israeli government in some capacity or another since the 1980s. Only death will keep him out of Israeli politics.

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 04:18 PM
Alyosha, thoughts?

Common
02-07-2015, 04:19 PM
I agree for the most part Green but you must include the palestinians in not wanting peace either.

In camp david Enud Barack then prime minister of israel, said yes to every single demand of Yassir Arafat. Categorically Barak conceded everything Arafat demanded for peace.

Arafat refused to accept even though every point he asked for he got. Later his answer as to why, I dont think my people wanted it. Then what they hell do they want, oh I know, the annihilation of Israel.

I think its a two way street in the middle east with both israel and the rest just as much at fault. Its all about religious hatred.

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 04:20 PM
I agree for the most part Green but you must include the palestinians in not wanting peace either.

I would have if this was about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, but it's not. It's specifically about Benjamin Netanyahu.

Alyosha
02-07-2015, 04:35 PM
If this were in a different part of the forum I would respond. I'm in a no fucks given mood today.

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 04:36 PM
If this were in a different part of the forum I would respond. I'm in a no fucks given mood today.

Which part of the forum?

Howey
02-07-2015, 05:21 PM
If this were in a different part of the forum I would respond. I'm in a no $#@!s given mood today.

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Howey
02-07-2015, 05:22 PM
Bibi is on the way out. Zionism is soon to be a thing of the past. I've said before a majority of the Israeli people and Jews worldwide do not favor his type of Zionist aggression.

Alyosha
02-07-2015, 05:27 PM
Bibi is on the way out. Zionism is soon to be a thing of the past. I've said before a majority of the Israeli people and Jews worldwide do not favor his type of Zionist aggression.

The majority of people on the planet are descent. Unfortunately, we are run by the indecent.

Alyosha
02-07-2015, 05:29 PM
What does this represent

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/555dug.jpg
Green Arrow

here's a picture...go down the rabbit hole

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/6-23-2009-3-27-02-PM.jpg

Howey
02-07-2015, 05:52 PM
What does this represent

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/555dug.jpg
Green Arrow

here's a picture...go down the rabbit hole

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/6-23-2009-3-27-02-PM.jpg

The Supreme Court?

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 05:52 PM
What does this represent

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/555dug.jpg
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)

here's a picture...go down the rabbit hole

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/6-23-2009-3-27-02-PM.jpg

Ahh, the Israeli Supreme Court building. Built by the Rothschilds, of all people.

Alyosha
02-07-2015, 06:25 PM
I don't think the "Jews who are not Jews" was referring to Ashkenazi as some on here said, but those who pretend to be something they are not. That would be "Bibi". He is an occultist. Notice his friends, his gestures, his aims.

Even the religious Jews of Israel do not believe that Israel is a place but a people.

Hal Jordan
02-07-2015, 06:46 PM
The majority of people on the planet are descent. Unfortunately, we are run by the indecent.

I dunno... I've kinda lost my faith in the decency of most people...

Common
02-07-2015, 07:00 PM
I would have if this was about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, but it's not. It's specifically about Benjamin Netanyahu.

Ok my apologies :)

Green Arrow
02-07-2015, 07:04 PM
I don't think the "Jews who are not Jews" was referring to Ashkenazi as some on here said, but those who pretend to be something they are not. That would be "Bibi". He is an occultist. Notice his friends, his gestures, his aims.

Even the religious Jews of Israel do not believe that Israel is a place but a people.

I used to think it referred to Christians that called themselves "completed Jews," but then I fell down the rabbit hole and realized that every religion and political group has these nefarious Dark Siders.

Bob
02-07-2015, 11:13 PM
Let's stick to Benjamin Netanyahu then since we are talking of him and not ancient history.



Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu (Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language):http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Loudspeaker.svg/11px-Loudspeaker.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg) בנימין "ביבי" נתניהו (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg)); born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) politician and the current Prime Minister of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Israel). He also currently serves as a member (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_nineteenth_Knesset) of the Knesset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knesset), Chairman of the Likud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud)party and Minister of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Diplomacy_and_Diaspora_Affairs_Minister_of_ Israel).
Born in Tel Aviv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv) to secular Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture) parents,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-2) Netanyahu is the first Israeli prime minister born in Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_(person)) after the establishment of the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence). Netanyahu joined the Israel Defense Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) during the Six-Day War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War) in 1967, and became a team leader in the Sayeret Matkal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayeret_Matkal) special forces unit. He took part in many missions, including Operation Inferno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh) (1968), Operation Gift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Israeli_raid_on_Lebanon) (1968) andOperation Isotope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabena_Flight_571) (1972), during which he was shot in the shoulder. He fought on the front lines in the War of Attrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition) and the Yom Kippur War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War) in 1973, taking part in special forces raids along the Suez Canal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal), and then leading a commando assault deep into Syrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) territory.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-3) He was wounded in combat twice.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-ginsburg1-4) He achieved the rank of captain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces_ranks) before being discharged. Netanyahu served as the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_Representative_of_Israel_to_the_United_N ations) from 1984 to 1988, as a member of the Likud party, and was Prime Minister from June 1996 to July 1999. He moved from the political arena to the private sector after being defeated in the 1999 election for Prime Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_general_election,_1999) by Ehud Barak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Barak).

Green Arrow
02-08-2015, 12:08 AM
Let's stick to Benjamin Netanyahu then since we are talking of him and not ancient history.



Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu (Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language):http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Loudspeaker.svg/11px-Loudspeaker.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg) בנימין "ביבי" נתניהו (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Benjamin_Netanyahu.ogg)); born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) politician and the current Prime Minister of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Israel). He also currently serves as a member (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_nineteenth_Knesset) of the Knesset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knesset), Chairman of the Likud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud)party and Minister of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Diplomacy_and_Diaspora_Affairs_Minister_of_ Israel).
Born in Tel Aviv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv) to secular Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture) parents,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-2) Netanyahu is the first Israeli prime minister born in Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_(person)) after the establishment of the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence). Netanyahu joined the Israel Defense Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) during the Six-Day War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War) in 1967, and became a team leader in the Sayeret Matkal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayeret_Matkal) special forces unit. He took part in many missions, including Operation Inferno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh) (1968), Operation Gift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Israeli_raid_on_Lebanon) (1968) andOperation Isotope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabena_Flight_571) (1972), during which he was shot in the shoulder. He fought on the front lines in the War of Attrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition) and the Yom Kippur War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War) in 1973, taking part in special forces raids along the Suez Canal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal), and then leading a commando assault deep into Syrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) territory.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-3) He was wounded in combat twice.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#cite_note-ginsburg1-4) He achieved the rank of captain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces_ranks) before being discharged. Netanyahu served as the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_Representative_of_Israel_to_the_United_N ations) from 1984 to 1988, as a member of the Likud party, and was Prime Minister from June 1996 to July 1999. He moved from the political arena to the private sector after being defeated in the 1999 election for Prime Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_general_election,_1999) by Ehud Barak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Barak).

We are talking about Netanyahu, Bob. Did you not read the OP? Besides, it's not ancient history, most of this stuff happened when you were a kid. Unless you are saying you are ancient...

iustitia
02-08-2015, 11:21 AM
Not exactly a scholarly source, but your post reminded me of something I saw on Reddit some time back, @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)-
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xdd8p/in_1948_israel_went_to_war_with_palestine_before/


Now, skipping through many other instances of Arab-Jewish fighting, through WWII, ahead to Deir Yassin (because you and many others like to point at it and pick out pieces of the story while already having removed the previous historical context of the Arabs and Jews in Mandate Palestine), note the previous instances of Arab riots against Jews, two of which I noted above in 1929 and 1938, about how the actions of the Arab rioters did not have any military or tactical purposes, but only to kill.

"Deir Yassin was nowhere near Israel, yet Israeli paramilitary groups attacked the town"


In February 1948, Arabs blockaded the road leading West out of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1948)) closing the Jewish communities there off from food and supplies. The Haganah, its elite force Palmach, and Irgun and Lehi grouped to begin operations to break the siege and open the road to help the Jewish people in Jerusalem (the road between Latrun and Jerusalem you can see in this map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Israel_15_mai_1948.GIF)). The object was to capture towns in the surrounding area. Deir Yassin was one of those towns.
It was a confused attack by Irgun and Lehi, who had no experience of attacking an Arab village in daylight, and lacked support weapons. They resorted to house-to-house attacks to take control of the town. Ezra Yachin recalled, "To take a house, you had either to throw a grenade or shoot your way into it. If you were foolish enough to open doors, you got shot down—sometimes by men dressed up as women, shooting out at you in a second of surprise."
In the aftermath, the Jordanian newspaper Al Urdun published a survivor's account in 1955 (page 315 here (http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~censor/katz-directory/05-12-14gelber-palestine-1948-appendix-II-what-happened-in-deir-yassin-english.pdf)), which said the Palestinians had deliberately exaggerated stories about atrocities in Deir Yassin in order to encourage others to fight.
People note that everyone had reason to spread the atrocity narrative. The Irgun and Lehi wanted to frighten Arabs into fleeing; the Arabs wanted to provoke an international response; the Haganah wanted to tarnish the Irgun and Lehi (Haganah was upset at the way the attack was handled, remember Irgun and Lehi were the more militant of the units).
The point to leave with though, is that the specifics of the attack are not so clear. And while the number of dead is indeed high, and while Irgun and Lehi may have overstepped and entered massacre territory - you insinuate that fighting around Jerusalem had no purpose, and that fighting by Jewish groups in general was just for some form of "colonial expansion" (some were retaliatory, others part of a larger tactical operation intended to break a siege of communities, etc.) and as well make it seem like there were no Arab atrocities, only accusations of Jewish ones, leading up to 1948 (I counter 2 examples of many).


I know it's not specifically about Netanyahu but do you have any thoughts on this?

Green Arrow
02-08-2015, 01:02 PM
Not exactly a scholarly source, but your post reminded me of something I saw on Reddit some time back, @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)-
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xdd8p/in_1948_israel_went_to_war_with_palestine_before/



I know it's not specifically about Netanyahu but do you have any thoughts on this?

There's a lot of back and forth between the two groups. Neither of them have clean hands in this. I would not say that the Deir Yassin Massacre was justified, though. It appears everything in that quote is true, however the numbers of those killed (107) are historicall verified. The inflated numbers were higher than that.

Bob
02-25-2015, 05:10 PM
Irgun eventually integrated with the IDF (the Israeli military) after the creation of the state of Israel and a political party was started in its place, the Herut Party. The Herut Party later became the Likud Party, which currently holds control of the Israeli government. Likud is also the party of none other than Benjamin Netanyahu.

Wherever the Revisionist Zionists went, death and destruction followed them, all in the name of creating an Israeli Empire in the Middle East. It should be no surprise, given this history of terrorism and the ultimate endgame of the Revisionists and Likud, that Netanyahu has consistently found every possible excuse not to make peace and tries to sabotage peace efforts with rival factions in the Middle East.

If President Obama's connections to Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should be something to fear, then so should Netanyahu's undeniable connection to Revisionist Zionism.

Sounds a lot like our own George Washington and later Abe Lincoln to me. Matter of fact, the death and destruction waged by Obama reminds me of the same guys.

Howey
02-25-2015, 05:17 PM
You'd be hard-pressed to find a person in the world that doesn't know the name of Israel's current Prime Minister, Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu." He is Israel's second Prime Minister to serve three terms, the first being Israel's Founding Father, David Ben-Gurion. What most people don't know about old Bibi is the philosophy that drives him.

Rewind one hundred and thirty five years. On October 18, 1880, Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky was born in Odessa, in the Russian Empire. His family was made up of assimilated Russian Jews, and as such was not Jewish by religion, but was a secular Jew, or Jewish atheist. Later going by the name of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, he founded numerous Jewish organizations, including the Jewish Self-Defense Organization in Odessa and the Jewish Legion of the British Army. He also founded the Betar, Hatzohar, and Irgun. More on those later.

In 1923, Jabotinsky left the Zionist Organization and founded his own Zionist movement, called the Alliance of Revisionists-Zionists. The Revisionists-Zionists spawned a new philosophical branch of Zionism, Revisionist Zionism. Jabotinsky and his Revisionist disciples wanted to establish a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan River and model it after the British Empire. Prior to World War II, Jabotinsky began plans for an armed Jewish revolt against the British in Palestine, no matter the cost, but the start of World War II in 1939 put a quick end to such plans. A year later, in 1940, Jabotinsky died.

Jabotinsky's legacy lived on in the form of the Jewish paramilitary group Irgun and its offshoot, Lehi. Revisionist Zionism is still dedicated to Jabotinsky's goal of a Jewish state that occupies both sides of the Jordan River, and the Revisionists initially opposed the 1947 agreement that established the state of Israel due to the British establishing Transjordan as its own state, thus denying the Revisionists a large chunk of territory that they believed belonged to the new Jewish state. All followers of Revisionist Zionism today consider it their mission to make all of the original British Mandate of Palestine territory of Israel.

Now, back to Irgun. The Irgun was a Zionist paramilitary organization that held to the ideas of Revisionist Zionism and was founded directly by Jabotinsky and his successor, future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The Irgun carried out the bombing of the King David Hotel on July 22, 1946. Ninety one people were killed in the bombing, with another forty six injured. On April 9, 1948, Irgun carried out the Deir Yassin Massacre with the help of another Zionist paramilitary organization, Lehi. This time, the target wasn't British. It was the Palestinian Arab village of Deir Yassin. One hundred and seven of the Arab villagers were murdered and the village was claimed by the Zionists. Irgun members were also responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, British Deputy Resident Minister of State in 1944.

Irgun eventually integrated with the IDF (the Israeli military) after the creation of the state of Israel and a political party was started in its place, the Herut Party. The Herut Party later became the Likud Party, which currently holds control of the Israeli government. Likud is also the party of none other than Benjamin Netanyahu.

Wherever the Revisionist Zionists went, death and destruction followed them, all in the name of creating an Israeli Empire in the Middle East. It should be no surprise, given this history of terrorism and the ultimate endgame of the Revisionists and Likud, that Netanyahu has consistently found every possible excuse not to make peace and tries to sabotage peace efforts with rival factions in the Middle East.

If President Obama's connections to Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should be something to fear, then so should Netanyahu's undeniable connection to Revisionist Zionism.

Bibi has always and will always been dangerous in his Zionist ways. Fortunately, his days in power are nearing and end and the clearer, more peaceful, voice of the majority of Israelis is about to be heard.

Bob
02-25-2015, 05:20 PM
There's a lot of back and forth between the two groups. Neither of them have clean hands in this. I would not say that the Deir Yassin Massacre was justified, though. It appears everything in that quote is true, however the numbers of those killed (107) are historicall verified. The inflated numbers were higher than that.

You know lad, breaking the hold of the Arabs, like breaking the hold of the English in America breaks some eggs.

But Benjamin was not party to what took place in 1947.

Netanyahu also did not restore Israel to it's "rightful" location. He is simply the prime minister.

More than that, I believe he will be reelected.

Bob
02-25-2015, 05:39 PM
Coulter is in the library but I am speaking of respected conservatives.

Bob
02-25-2015, 05:42 PM
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is enjoying a surge in the latest opinion polls of Israeli voters. The Jerusalem Postreports (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Hostilities-in-North-give-Likud-boost-in-latest-Post-poll-389496) that its latest poll shows Bibi’s party, the Likud, is leading the race for the first time in weeks. Other polls agree (http://knessetjeremy.com/), and show the Likud leading its rival, the Zionist Union, which is a combination of the Labor and Hatnua parties.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/30/bibi-surges-in-israeli-polls/

Green Arrow
02-25-2015, 06:12 PM
You know lad, breaking the hold of the Arabs, like breaking the hold of the English in America breaks some eggs.

But Benjamin was not party to what took place in 1947.

Netanyahu also did not restore Israel to it's "rightful" location. He is simply the prime minister.

More than that, I believe he will be reelected.

The philosophy he adheres to and that his party adheres to is the philosophy of Jabotinsky mentioned in the OP. I established the links with historical facts.

Green Arrow
02-25-2015, 06:13 PM
Sounds a lot like our own George Washington and later Abe Lincoln to me. Matter of fact, the death and destruction waged by Obama reminds me of the same guys.

George Washington and Abe Lincoln (for all his faults) led efforts in war. They were not terrorists.

Bob
02-25-2015, 06:14 PM
The philosophy he adheres to and that his party adheres to is the philosophy of Jabotinsky mentioned in the OP. I established the links with historical facts.

Does Obama remind you of our founders?

As to you proving a philosophy, so what?

Netanyahu is now leading the polls.

Green Arrow
02-25-2015, 06:17 PM
Does Obama remind you of our founders?

He certainly has some opinions in line with John Adams and Alexander Hamilton. "Our founders" were not a hive mind, they all had very different opinions on how America should be run. Adams thought America should be ruled by those of noble breeding and wealth, and that only those who owned land and were wealthy should be permitted to vote. Hamilton supported a central bank, the modern day Federal Reserve.

A better question might be to ask if Obama reminds me of the good in our founders, and I would say no. He's nowhere close to believing the same as our founders on issues I think were right.


As to you proving a philosophy, so what?

Does it matter to you that Barack Obama's philosophy is very similar to Saul Alinsky?


Netanyahu is now leading the polls.

So was Obama.

Bob
02-25-2015, 06:19 PM
George Washington and Abe Lincoln (for all his faults) led efforts in war. They were not terrorists.

Oh right. LMAO

Benjamin is merely the president of a globally recognized nation. Why defend the non nation Palestinians?

Green Arrow
02-25-2015, 06:20 PM
Oh right. LMAO

Benjamin is merely the president of a globally recognized nation. Why defend the non nation Palestinians?

I'm not defending Palestinians. I'm identifying Netanyahu's ideology. Keep up.