tPF Discussion Room Change

[Chris]

We have listened to a lot of member input about the new discussion area and group. Some said it was exclusive, some said voting was a popularity contest, and some asked why not stricter moderation? Based on member input, we have decided to open tPF Discussion up to all, do away with voting, and give members control over it.

It will work as follows:



Post a thread in the tPF Discussion Forum (http://thepoliticalforums.com/forums/57-tPF-Discussion-Forum). We ask that you select the prefix "tPFD: " so members know what they are. Mods can edit titles if needed.


If you are the thread starter, you can request moderators to thread ban those who you feel are engaging in flamebait trolling, off-topic distractions and personal attacks. All the you need to do is report a post, ask for a thread ban, and give your reason. It will be done and made clear in the offending post. These thread bans will not be counted as infractions.


It will still be moderated as any other part of the forum based on forum rules. The theme is still to try to develop a place for serious discussion. By serious discussion we mean making meaningful contributions to the topic at hand free of flamebait trolling, off-topic distractions and personal attacks.



Some points to clarify some misunderstandings:



We will not move existing threads to tPFD.
Only OPs can request TBs in tPFD.
There are no pre-emptive TBs.
Mods will simply post that the OP has requested TB.
Keep in mind, most importantly, tPFD is member-run.




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[The Xl]

Interesting. Sounds better on paper, hope it works.

[Howey]

Sounds like a much better idea. JPP has something akin to this, called Above Plain Politics. However, given the forum is 98% trolls, its a wasteland. :)

[sachem]

Nicely done, Chris.

[Green Arrow]

http://i.imgur.com/1oFCx3g.gif

[del]

http://www.gifsend.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IMG_0819.gif

[Howey]

http://i.imgur.com/1oFCx3g.gif

He is a cutie isn't he?

[Common]

There ya go home run, this is the right way, every forum participant has the opportunity to participate and that participation is based on their behavior and ability to maintain civility. If they cant they get the boot and they have no one to blame but themselves. PERFECT!!!!!!

Whoever was key to bringing forth this new outline is to be complimented.

[Adelaide]

There ya go home run, this is the right way, every forum participant has the opportunity to participate and that participation is based on their behavior and ability to maintain civility. If they cant they get the boot and they have no one to blame but themselves. PERFECT!!!!!!

Whoever was key to bringing forth this new outline is to be complimented.

I think the idea to be able to thread ban someone from a thread you start originated with Chloe, but this change in general was driven by member complaints. Chris did majority of the work in drafting this, with input from the moderation team on how would be the best way to adjust the discussion forum and then also the VIPs gave input. Team effort, but I'd say it's sort of Chloe's idea and Chris did the task of writing up various drafts of what we wanted to change the forum to. ADMIN was also very helpful in several ways.

[The Xl]

Not only is it better, but it makes everyone happy. Good job guys, good stuff.

[Captain Obvious]

Not only is it better, but it makes everyone happy. Good job guys, good stuff.

Yeah, wait until the resident trolls start getting tossed from the reindeer games.

[Chris]

Not only is it better, but it makes everyone happy. Good job guys, good stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWp1VOFQxKg

[Green Arrow]

Not only is it better, but it makes everyone happy. Good job guys, good stuff.

You're cute.

[Captain Obvious]

What's the purpose of the prefix?

[Howey]

the?

[Captain Obvious]

teh!

[Chris]

What's the purpose of the prefix?

For What's New? So you know what you're getting yourself into.

[Captain Obvious]

For What's New? So you know what you're getting yourself into.

What?

The prefix in the special forum.

Isn't that redundant? All threads there are "special threads", no?

[Chris]

What?

The prefix in the special forum.

Isn't that redundant? All threads there are "special threads", no?


Right, how would you know looking at "What's New?" By the prefix.

[Chris]

Here's a visual:

http://i.snag.gy/sHZAM.jpg

I'll add to announcement.

[Dr. Who]

This is to ensure that those responding to tPFD threads are aware of the special posting rules and don't post there accidentally.

[The Xl]

You're cute.

Well, thank you. There was this MILFy Latina chick at the pool who seemed to think I was hot, but I'll take cute too.

[The Xl]

Yeah, wait until the resident trolls start getting tossed from the reindeer games.

Fuck 'em. I never fought that battle for them, anyway.

[Captain Obvious]

Well, thank you. There was this MILFy Latina chick at the pool who seemed to think I was hot, but I'll take cute too.

Raisins

[Captain Obvious]

Right, how would you know looking at "What's New?" By the prefix.

ok - thanks.

I don't use the "what's new" function so I wasn't thinking about it.

[Calypso Jones]

excuse me but is this topic about your new discussion forum where all you have to do is to have someone thread ban a poster when it gets too uncomfortable for you? How very progressive. LOLOLOLOL.

[PolWatch]

You can always return to your lair...
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.zD8AQk2CqfBLheHIj2fS%2bQ&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

[Private Pickle]

I would comment on this but self-control is getting the best of me.

[silvereyes]

excuse me but is this topic about your new discussion forum where all you have to do is to have someone thread ban a poster when it gets too uncomfortable for you? How very progressive. LOLOLOLOL.
ah, sounds really familiar, doesnt it? no other forums to trash today, eh?

[Common]

Fuck 'em. I never fought that battle for them, anyway.

Exactly, let them show their ass and get booted then they can whine and soil their diapers all they want. THEY were given a chance to maintain civility and decency and enjoy being "included" in the conversation and BLEW IT all on their own.

[Darmosiel]

excuse me but is this topic about your new discussion forum where all you have to do is to have someone thread ban a poster when it gets too uncomfortable for you? How very progressive. LOLOLOLOL.

Even though I signed up for this Board in 2012 I haven't been posting until recently and I see this new feature
as a good thing.

As I see it...it's not about whether you agree, disagree or have an added comment regarding the topic.
THE POINT is to stay on topic and not derail it with BS.

[Captain Obvious]

Well, I had my first and last post in that forum. The process doesn't work when trolls can have at it and fuck up the discussion right out of the gate. And I get mods aren't on 24/7 and I'm not blaming them, but it doesn't work.

It also doesn't work when, when they're finally threadbanned they just go and start the exact same thread.

So that's all I need to see of this new forum. Does not deliver.

[Green Arrow]

Well, I had my first and last post in that forum. The process doesn't work when trolls can have at it and fuck up the discussion right out of the gate. And I get mods aren't on 24/7 and I'm not blaming them, but it doesn't work.

It also doesn't work when, when they're finally threadbanned they just go and start the exact same thread.

So that's all I need to see of this new forum. Does not deliver.

That's precisely why it was done the way it originally was...but somebody fucked that over.

[The Xl]

I don't see the problem. Troll trolls, gets banned, discussion continues course. It can only be derailed if the trolling persists. It beats the hell out of the old process where non VIP veteran posters like myself, CO, Mister D, etc, are presumed guilty from the start and are subject to a vote where we could be judged in part by inactive posters and people that probably shouldn't have their spot.

That's not sour grapes either, I was voted in the forum but declined, it's the principle.

[Dr. Who]

Well, I had my first and last post in that forum. The process doesn't work when trolls can have at it and fuck up the discussion right out of the gate. And I get mods aren't on 24/7 and I'm not blaming them, but it doesn't work.

It also doesn't work when, when they're finally threadbanned they just go and start the exact same thread.

So that's all I need to see of this new forum. Does not deliver.
Can't have it both ways Cap. We don't have the resources to park one mod on the discussion thread exclusively. We responded to those who thought it was elitist, so now it's not.

[Howey]

Can't have it both ways Cap. We don't have the resources to park one mod on the discussion thread exclusively. We responded to those who thought it was elitist, so now it's not.

I think it's working out great.

[Captain Obvious]

Can't have it both ways Cap. We don't have the resources to park one mod on the discussion thread exclusively. We responded to those who thought it was elitist, so now it's not.

I know, and again just to be clear, I'm not criticizing mods, I get that part of it. But it doesn't make it not work any more though.

[Mac-7]

I know, and again just to be clear,

I'm not criticizing mods,



Good boy.

They love to hear that.

You may get to see your name in blue after all.

[Captain Obvious]

Good boy.

They love to hear that.

You may get to see your name in blue after all.

Only then can I die a happy man.

[Mac-7]

Only then can I die a happy man.

I'm pullin' for ya.

[Captain Obvious]

I'm pullin' for ya.

You're pullin' alright...

[Dr. Who]

Good boy.

They love to hear that.

You may get to see your name in blue after all.
Cap is a retired mod - lol He's already been there and has the T-Shirt.

[PolWatch]

Yeap...Capt O used to be very quiet & shy before he was a mod.

[Captain Obvious]

Yeap...Capt O used to be very quiet & shy before he was a mod.

Still am

[sachem]

Yeap...Capt O used to be very quiet & shy before he was a mod.He's a f'ing mod?

[Cigar]

He's a f'ing mod?

Kinda Explains Everything doesn't it. :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

He's a f'ing mod?

..and I'm watching you

http://media.giphy.com/media/yoJC2kmYhpHGdM0EoM/giphy.gif

[PolWatch]

He's a recovering mod....in a 12-step program

[Chris]

He's a f'ing mod?

Which word are you putting emphasis on there?

[Captain Obvious]

He's a recovering mod....in a 12-step program

Still haven't gotten the tPF rosary I ordered a few months ago

[sachem]

..and i'm watching you

http://media.giphy.com/media/yojc2kmyhphgdm0eom/giphy.gifomg!

[PolWatch]

Still haven't gotten the tPF rosary I ordered a few months ago

That's because you put a beer cap in the collection plate.

[Cigar]

omg!

Better close your curtains ... :laugh: they only caught Jared Fogle, there's more out there ...

[Captain Obvious]

That's because you put a beer cap in the collection plate.

It was a twist off, they don't bend in half.

[sachem]

Kinda Explains Everything doesn't it. :laugh:It sure do.

[Chris]

Some points to clarify some misunderstandings:



We will not move existing threads to tPFD.
Only OPs can request TBs in tPFD.
There are no pre-emptive TBs.
Mods will simply post that the OP has requested TB.
Keep in mind, most importantly, tPFD is member-run.



I'll add these to the OP.

[Chris]

@All, the forum rules have been update with rule #10, the tPF rule, to clarify the rules for tPF threads and TB requests, and to make those rules easily accessible. Please read and understand. tPF has gone from experiment to official.

The Political Forums Rules and Regulations (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/31827-The-Political-Forums-Rules-and-Regulations)

[Cletus]

tPF is for the weak and stupid.

[MisterVeritis]

This is to ensure that those responding to tPFD threads are aware of the special posting rules and don't post there accidentally.
I like it. While I expect to be banned by OGIS and Trueblue, I no longer shy away from their threads. I believe every message I leave is valuable. LOL. They...get to decide. That works for me.

[Chris]

tPF is for the weak and stupid.

I understand that's your opinion. Fortunately it is just your opinion.

[Mister D]

I like it. While I expect to be banned by OGIS and Trueblue, I no longer shy away from their threads. I believe every message I leave is valuable. LOL. They...get to decide. That works for me.

I think it's great. You have a couple kooks who abuse it but it's a great tool. I can eliminate trolls right away.

[Cletus]

I understand that's your opinion. Fortunately it is just your opinion.

The preponderance of the evidence says it is pretty much an established fact.

[Chris]

The preponderance of the evidence says it is pretty much an established fact.

Yea, right.

If you don't like it don't participate in it. No one cares.

[Cletus]

Yea, right.

If you don't like it don't participate in it. No one cares.

You care. If you didn't, you wouldn't be crying. All I have to do to prove my contention is list the people who use it with regularity.

[Captain Obvious]

tPF is for the weak and stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AbeALNVkk

[Cletus]

Great song.

[Captain Obvious]

Great song.

Even greater point.

Stop whining.

[Dr. Who]

You care. If you didn't, you wouldn't be crying. All I have to do to prove my contention is list the people who use it with regularity.
You can use it or not. That's freedom of choice. If you choose to participate in a tPF thread, make sure that you mind the forum rules. That's not so hard - I'm sure that you self-censor in the real world.

[Cletus]

Even greater point.

Stop whining.

I am not whining. I am just calling it like it is.

The tPF feature is for people who cannot otherwise hold their own in a discussion with other adults. I can't imagine anyone with any measure of self respect or self confidence having to result to its use. It is for the weak and feeble minded. If I was whining, I would suggest it was somehow unfair or something along those lines. I am doing nothing of the sort. This is supposedly an opinion board (well, except when you get Thread Banned in a tPF thread for having a different opinion), and I am expressing my opinion.

Use it as often as you want. I will never suggest you shouldn't. I might however, comment on why you might want to use it. Make every thread a tPF thread if you want. That way the thread starters can shut down anyone they please.

I have asked several times who it was who initially proposed that feature and no one here has seen fit to answer my question. I believe it probably because deep down inside, whoever it was knows why he or she did so and knows that public acknowledgement of it would only result in revealing exactly why the feature was suggested.

Whoever it was deserves only contempt.

[Captain Obvious]

I am not whining. I am just calling it like it is.

The tPF feature is for people who cannot otherwise hold their own in a discussion with other adults. I can't imagine anyone with any measure of self respect or self confidence having to result to its use. It is for the weak and feeble minded. If I was whining, I would suggest it was somehow unfair or something along those lines. I am doing nothing of the sort. This is supposedly an opinion board (well, except when you get Thread Banned in a tPF thread for having a different opinion), and I am expressing my opinion.

Use it as often as you want. I will never suggest you shouldn't. I might however, comment on why you might want to use it. Make every thread a tPF thread if you want. That way the thread starters can shut down anyone they please.

I have asked several times who it was who initially proposed that feature and no one here has seen fit to answer my question. I believe it probably because deep down inside, whoever it was knows why he or she did so and knows that public acknowledgement of it would only result in revealing exactly why the feature was suggested.

Whoever it was deserves only contempt.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66799222.jpg

[Cletus]

You can use it or not. That's freedom of choice. If you choose to participate in a tPF thread, make sure that you mind the forum rules. That's not so hard - I'm sure that you self-censor in the real world.

That isn't really the point, is it?

I don't expect you to understand this, but discussion boards are supposed to be for discussion, not self gratification or self aggrandizement. A thread, once posted, doesn't "belong" to anyone. As long as there no violations of actual forum rules, people should be able to respond to comments in that thread in whatever way they see fit. If there is a violation of forum rules, it should up to the Moderators to intervene, make corrections, issue reprimands or do whatever it is that needs to be done to get the thread back on track. The person who started the thread should have nothing to say about it at that point. If you are going to have that feature, you should just get rid of all the Mods and fix the forum software so that whoever starts a thread has absolute control over it. That would be a stupid idea, but no more stupid than what you have done with this feature. They are both discussion killers.

[Cletus]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66799222.jpg

I wish you would, but you never have before now, so why should anyone expect you to change at this point.

Here's an idea, start a tPF thread and you shut up anyone you want. It'll make you feel powerful and manly.

[Captain Obvious]

I wish you would, but you never have before now, so why should anyone expect you to change at this point.

Here's an idea, start a tPF thread and you shut up anyone you want. It'll make you feel powerful and manly.


http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/i_know_you_are_pee_wee_herman.gif

[Dr. Who]

That isn't really the point, is it?

I don't expect you to understand this, but discussion boards are supposed to be for discussion, not self gratification or self aggrandizement. A thread, once posted, doesn't "belong" to anyone. As long as there no violations of actual forum rules, people should be able to respond to comments in that thread in whatever way they see fit. If there is a violation of forum rules, it should up to the Moderators to intervene, make corrections, issue reprimands or do whatever it is that needs to be done to get the thread back on track. The person who started the thread should have nothing to say about it at that point. If you are going to have that feature, you should just get rid of all the Mods and fix the forum software so that whoever starts a thread has absolute control over it. That would be a stupid idea, but no more stupid than what you have done with this feature. They are both discussion killers.
We have posted the tPF rules and they don't include any that the Mods don't enforce in any other thread. The only difference is that the OP is watching their own thread. We had a few growing pains with this, but at the end of the day, only the forum rules apply. The only major difference is that the OP can request that you be thread banned for breaking the rules and we must oblige, whereas in a non-tPF thread we as Mods are trying not to alienate anyone, so we typically give people more chances to behave. Digest that and then consider how your politics fit with the notion of the tPF.

[Cletus]

We have posted the tPF rules and they don't include any that the Mods don't enforce in any other thread. The only difference is that the OP is watching their own thread. We had a few growing pains with this, but at the end of the day, only the forum rules apply. The only major difference is that the OP can request that you be thread banned for breaking the rules and we must oblige, whereas in a non-tPF thread we as Mods are trying not to alienate anyone, so we typically give people more chances to behave. Digest that and then consider how your politics fit with the notion of the tPF.

So, according to what you just said, there is no reason to even have the tPF feature other than to let the thread starter ban people.

Okay. Let the weak and feeble minded rule the board. It's your forum.

[Captain Obvious]

So, according to what you just said, there is no reason to even have the tPF feature other than to let the thread starter ban people.

Okay. Let the weak and feeble minded rule the board. It's your forum.

Be sure to send a postcard

[Dr. Who]

So, according to what you just said, there is no reason to even have the tPF feature other than to let the thread starter ban people.

Okay. Let the weak and feeble minded rule the board. It's your forum.
You are not required to participate in tPF threads. I'm quite amazed that the same people who most vociferously defend the rights of others in the 3D world their right of association, cannot see the parallel in the tPF. It would imply that those highly defended rights are acceptable when they don't affect you, but when they do, all bets are off.

[Chris]

You are not required to participate in tPF threads. I'm quite amazed that the same people who most vociferously defend the rights of others in the 3D world their right of association, cannot see the parallel in the tPF. It would imply that those highly defended rights are acceptable when they don't affect you, but when they do, all bets are off.

He's baiting, not debating. Ignore.

[Mac-7]

I'm quite amazed that the same people who most vociferously defend the rights of others in the 3D world their right of association, cannot see the parallel in the tPF.



I'm amazed that the mods allow dissenting opinions to be posted in the public square this way.

normally you demand that all complaints be made in secret through pm's that only the mods can see.

[Peter1469]

I'm amazed that the mods allow dissenting opinions to be posted in the public square this way.

normally you demand that all complaints be made in secret through pm's that only the mods can see.

When discussing specific moderation actions, yes.

[silvereyes]

You can use it or not. That's freedom of choice. If you choose to participate in a tPF thread, make sure that you mind the forum rules. That's not so hard - I'm sure that you self-censor in the real world.

Funny. Im sure he doesnt.

[silvereyes]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/i_know_you_are_pee_wee_herman.gif

Lmao. Thats fucking awesome!