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OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:09 AM
There is an increasingly chilly reception to anything other that racist, right wing propaganda screeds in the Hugo awards. The mechanism of this seems to be something similar to the effort to "pack" New Hampshire with "libertarian" voters and hijack the electoral process.

Welcome to the bizarre world of Space Raptor Butt Invasions:



How did 'Space Raptor Butt Invasion' by Chuck Tingle become a Hugo finalist?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57214be0/turbine/la-1461799973-snap-photo/900/900x506

Why on earth — or the rest of the solar system — is a book called "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" by Chuck Tingle up for a Hugo award?

Thank the puppies.

They sound cute, but for the second year in a row, politically motivated groups calling themselves the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies have more or less successfully gamed the Hugo Award nominations, some of the most prestigious prizes in science fiction and fantasy. The Chuck Tingle book is one of their (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/03/rabid-puppies-2016-best-novelette.html) recommendations.

What's their motivation? The puppies oppose diversity initiatives and support lists that are dominated by white men. Their targets, which they call SJW for "social justice warriors," are women, people of color, LGBT writers, editors and artists and the people who support them, including L.A. Times Critic at Large John Scalzi (http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-john-scalzi-hugo-award-nominations-20160426-story.html).

Rabid Puppies leader Vox Day, a self-described libertarian, has criticized best-selling science fiction writer N.K. Jemisin, who is black, as an "ignorant half-savage," writing (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-black-female-fantasist.html), "Unlike the white males she excoriates, there is no evidence to be found anywhere on the planet that a society of NK Jemisins is capable of building an advanced civilization, or even successfully maintaining one without significant external support from those white males."

George R.R. Martin has criticized both the puppies' agenda and their aesthetic. “When the Hugo ballot came out last year, it was not just a right-wing ballot, it was a bad ballot,” he told the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/26/the-hugo-awards-george-rr-martin-vox-day-and-alastair-reynolds-on-the-prizes-future) prior to Tuesday's finalist announcement.

The Rabid Puppies, the more extreme of the two groups, this year created a slate of potential nominees that they urged Hugo voters to nominate. Out of 81 recommendations on that slate, 64 ended up shortlisted.

more: http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-hugos-puppies-20160427-snap-htmlstory.html

Standing Wolf
05-30-2016, 10:18 AM
Okay...so if I understand the story, the "puppies" got this "Butt Invasion" novel nominated because they want people to think that it is a representative example of diversity in sci-fi? Kind of like someone claiming that gay comedians can't be funny and pointing to Andy Dick as an example?

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 10:24 AM
All opposition to the silly sjw is good.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:25 AM
Okay...so if I understand the story, the "puppies" got this "Butt Invasion" novel nominated because they want people to think that it is a representative example of diversity in sci-fi? Kind of like someone claiming that gay comedians can't be funny and pointing to Andy Dick as an example?

I think so.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:28 AM
All opposition to the silly sjw is good.

Absolutist, simplistic statements such as your comment above do not do any favors for the conservative cause, and open the door to totalitarian acts.

All opposition? What about just arresting them all and gassing them in cattle cars? Would that be good?

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 10:30 AM
Absolutist, simplistic statements such as your comment above do not do any favors for the conservative cause, and open the door to totalitarian acts.

All opposition? What about just arresting them all and gassing them in cattle cars? Would that be good?

SJWs don't deserve any slack.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:33 AM
SJWs don't deserve any slack.

So you have basically admitted you are a totalitarian? Which flavor? Stalinist, or Nazi?

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 10:38 AM
So you have basically admitted you are a totalitarian? Which flavor? Stalinist, or Nazi?

You illogic is shocking. I have not mentioned government. I mentioned mocking SJWs.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:53 AM
All opposition to the silly sjw is good.


SJWs don't deserve any slack.


So you have basically admitted you are a totalitarian? Which flavor? Stalinist, or Nazi?


You illogic is shocking. I have not mentioned government. I mentioned mocking SJWs.

Um... yes, you have. By implication.

>>>"All opposition to the silly sjw is good."

In normal speech between sane adults, the word "All" is a Universal and literally means: anything and everything.


Simple Definition of all




: the whole, entire, total amount, quantity, or extent of
: every member or part of
: the whole number or sum of

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/all



And "anything," Peter, means that "opposition to the silly sjw" includes the use of government force.

>>>"You[R] illogic is shocking."

Your ad hom might be a tad more effective if you learned basic grammar. But I understand that you were undoubtedly typing with only one hand, and hurried in the anticipation, and that your view of the monitor was jiggling around from the strenuous effort.

Have you been ill recently? You aren't very good at this.

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 10:55 AM
You are stretching. When you find yourself in a hole it is best to stop digging. You only look more silly.


Um... yes, you have. By implication.

>>>"All opposition to the silly sjw is good."

In normal speech between sane adults, the word "All" is a Universal and literally means: anything and everything.


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And that, Peter, includes government force.

>>>"You[R] illogic is shocking."

Your ad hom might be a tad more effective if you learned basic grammar. But I understand that you were undoubtedly typing with only one hand, and that your view of the monitor was jiggling around from the strenuous effort.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 10:59 AM
You are stretching. When you find yourself in a hole it is best to stop digging. You only look more silly.

Like I said, you aren't very good at this.

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 11:23 AM
Like I said, you aren't very good at this.
Too funny.

Continue digging. By all means. :wink:

SJWs.....

OGIS
05-30-2016, 11:45 AM
Too funny.

Continue digging. By all means. :wink:

SJWs.....


Sigh.

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 11:47 AM
Silly little person.

Peter1469
05-30-2016, 11:48 AM
Too funny.

Continue digging. By all means. :wink:

SJWs.....


Notice: Thread banned by OGIS . Do not respond to the thread banned member in this thread.

Crepitus
05-30-2016, 12:11 PM
Peter is more of a Stalinist. He's too wishy-washy to be a Nazi.

I haven't bothered with the Hugo list since Larry Niven was winning them.

iustitia
05-30-2016, 12:19 PM
Great moments in troll history.

HoneyBadger
05-30-2016, 12:29 PM
The SJW's created a voting bloc to shut out any material submitted by white, male, straight, even remotely conservative authors. Sad puppies was created to attempt to counter them. In 2015, the SJWs determined that too many of the above mentioned authors were represented in the various categorizes so they organized to vote "no award" for the categories they felt were over represented by straight white men. 5 Categories were voted no award by the hissy-fit-throwing SJW clique. Space Raptor Butt Invasion was written and voted for inclusion on the best short story slate specifically to screw with the SJW contingent. A bunch of sad puppies renamed themselves rabid puppies and decided the best way to counter the SJWs was to burn the house down.

Standing Wolf
05-30-2016, 12:40 PM
Hugo wept.

stjames1_53
05-30-2016, 01:04 PM
Absolutist, simplistic statements such as your comment above do not do any favors for the conservative cause, and open the door to totalitarian acts.

All opposition? What about just arresting them all and gassing them in cattle cars? Would that be good?

it would be s goof start............. lookie, one of the anomaly wants attention! demanding that we treat the anomaly as normal is only that far sided from reality.
Are you an atheist?

stjames1_53
05-30-2016, 01:08 PM
Hugo wept.

wellllllllll. onnnnnnn the ooooooooother hand, it is sci-fi. afterall...........

OGIS
05-30-2016, 01:11 PM
Peter is more of a Stalinist. He's too wishy-washy to be a Nazi.

I haven't bothered with the Hugo list since Larry Niven was winning them.

LOL, I met Larry Niven once at a LASFAS meeting. Biggest jerk in the world. Very smart, but a total jacka55.

Standing Wolf
05-30-2016, 01:18 PM
LOL, I met Larry Niven once at a LASFAS meeting. Biggest jerk in the world. Very smart, but a total jacka55.

You never know with writers...celebs in general, I guess. I met Harlan Ellison - a guy with a somewhat bad reputation for personal interactions - at a symposium and book signing in San Jose back in the '70s, and he couldn't have been nicer.

OGIS
05-30-2016, 01:23 PM
it would be s goof start............. lookie, one of the anomaly wants attention! demanding that we treat the anomaly as normal is only that far sided from reality.
Are you an atheist?

This obsession that many conservatives have with sameness....

Reminds me of that old movie, Five Million Years to Earth, where the psychic vibrations from the ancient, crashed Martian spaceship in the pit causes madness throughout London, and everyone begins acting out the ancient Purging of the Hives ceremony, where any genetic difference among the Martians was annihilated every so many years.

Great B movie.

When did conservatives decide to emulate ants?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Z8mRbWLwY

Yes, I'm an atheist. So?

Standing Wolf
05-30-2016, 01:31 PM
wellllllllll. onnnnnnn the ooooooooother hand, it is sci-fi. afterall...........

I think it was the late Robert B. Parker who said, "There are only two genres of writing: good writing and bad writing."

Every once in a while, I try reading a so-called modern "mainstream" novel, maybe something that has received great critical praise as something groundbreaking and original, and I almost invariably find it boring and pointless. I heard great things about Don DeLillo, for instance, so I read 'The Falling Man' - eh. I've tried reading Jonathan Franzen and I wish I could enjoy him, but I just don't. Some of the best writers alive today, including Joe Lansdale - buy and read 'Paradise Sky' today! - are working in "genre" fiction.

stjames1_53
05-30-2016, 03:30 PM
I think it was the late Robert B. Parker who said, "There are only two genres of writing: good writing and bad writing."

Every once in a while, I try reading a so-called modern "mainstream" novel, maybe something that has received great critical praise as something groundbreaking and original, and I almost invariably find it boring and pointless. I heard great things about Don DeLillo, for instance, so I read 'The Falling Man' - eh. I've tried reading Jonathan Franzen and I wish I could enjoy him, but I just don't. Some of the best writers alive today, including Joe Lansdale - buy and read 'Paradise Sky' today! - are working in "genre" fiction.

I'm hooked on noir mysteries and old westerns................
but I mix it up with history and strategy. Some tech............

Crepitus
05-30-2016, 07:49 PM
LOL, I met Larry Niven once at a LASFAS meeting. Biggest jerk in the world. Very smart, but a total jacka55.
Never met him, used to like his stories though.

Standing Wolf
05-30-2016, 10:48 PM
The first science fiction novel I ever read, at age nine or ten, is still one of my favorites - 'The Survivors' (aka 'Space Prison') by Tom Godwin. Godwin only published three novels and twenty-seven short stories in his lifetime, but one of the latter is one of the most famous short stories in science fiction history - 'The Cold Equations'. Kelly Freas' cover illustration for the October 1953 issue of Astounding, featuring Godwin's first published story - both painting and story named 'The Gulf Between' - is one of the most well-known sci-fi illustrations of all time. (Freas' re-working of it for the cover of Queen's 'New of the World' album helped.)

OGIS
05-30-2016, 11:03 PM
The first science fiction novel I ever read, at age nine or ten, is still one of my favorites - 'The Survivors' (aka 'Space Prison') by Tom Godwin. Godwin only published three novels and twenty-seven short stories in his lifetime, but one of the latter is one of the most famous short stories in science fiction history - 'The Cold Equations'. Kelly Freas' cover illustration for the October 1953 issue of Astounding, featuring Godwin's first published story - both painting and story named 'The Gulf Between' - is one of the most well-known sci-fi illustrations of all time. (Freas' re-working of it for the cover of Queen's 'New of the World' album helped.)

Space Prison was my first SF read too!

And The Cold Equations always bothered me immensely.

Nature is a biatch.

Cthulhu
05-31-2016, 02:23 PM
Um... yes, you have. By implication.

>>>"All opposition to the silly sjw is good."

In normal speech between sane adults, the word "All" is a Universal and literally means: anything and everything.



And "anything," Peter, means that "opposition to the silly sjw" includes the use of government force.

>>>"You[R] illogic is shocking."

Your ad hom might be a tad more effective if you learned basic grammar. But I understand that you were undoubtedly typing with only one hand, and hurried in the anticipation, and that your view of the monitor was jiggling around from the strenuous effort.

Have you been ill recently? You aren't very good at this.
You're trying to put Pete in a box.

Won't work.

SJWs deserve any and all flak they receive.

You're the one making absurd leaps of cracked logic.



Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

OGIS
05-31-2016, 02:41 PM
You're trying to put Pete in a box.

Won't work.

SJWs deserve any and all flak they receive.

You're the one making absurd leaps of cracked logic.

Show me how. Specifically.

Otherwise you are just a troll slinging more fallacies.

I'll wait.

Cthulhu
05-31-2016, 03:12 PM
Show me how. Specifically.

Otherwise you are just a troll slinging more fallacies.

I'll wait.
Easy.

You brought government into the equation. Pete didn't.

You then launch into a misguided tirade regarding the word "all" in a feeble attempt to imply what Peter meant.

Anybody with a shred of sense sees it.

Go ahead, ban me like you did Pete. The thread and it's author are both jokes anyways.

By the way, you're being a faggot. A real faggy one.

Sent from my evil, baby seal-clubbing cellphone.

OGIS
05-31-2016, 03:58 PM
Easy.

You brought government into the equation. Pete didn't.

You then launch into a misguided tirade regarding the word "all" in a feeble attempt to imply what Peter meant.

Anybody with a shred of sense sees it.

Go ahead, ban me like you did Pete. The thread and it's author are both jokes anyways.

By the way, you're being a $#@!. A real $#@!gy one.


You said>>>"You brought government into the equation"

Peter said>>>>>>>"All opposition to the silly sjw is good."

What part of that statement is unclear to you? Is is an absolute statement. I see no qualifications in it, anywhere.

Are you suggesting that I somehow read Peter's fevered mind to discern the outlines of what he really means?


You said>>>"You then launch into a misguided tirade regarding the word "all" in a feeble attempt to imply what Peter meant."

Tirade? Really? Words mean things.

I said>>>>: "In normal speech between sane adults, the word "All" is a Universal and literally means: anything and everything."


ti·rade

ˈtīˌrād/

noun

noun: tirade; plural noun: tirades

a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation.

"a tirade of abuse"




diatribe (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+diatribe&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIHzAA), harangue (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+harangue&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIIDAA), rant (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+rant&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIITAA), onslaught (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+onslaught&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIIjAA), attack (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+attack&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIIzAA), polemic (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+polemic&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIJDAA), denunciation (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+denunciation&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIJTAA), broadside (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+broadside&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIJjAA), fulmination (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fulmination&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIJzAA), condemnation (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+condemnation&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIKDAA), censure (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+censure&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIKTAA), invective (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+invective&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIKjAA), criticism (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+criticism&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoIKzAA), tongue-lashing (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+tongue-lashing&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoILDAA); blast (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+blast&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoILjAA);
lecture (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+lecture&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjyr_Dxl4XNAhULw2MKHWL5DxwQ_SoILzAA)







So my statement - at 18 words and 92 characters - is a tirade, but your statement - at 20 words and 92 characters is acceptable toned down speech? :smiley:

You said>>>"Anybody with a shred of sense sees it."

Well then, it must be true, all the evidence is in!

You said>>>"Go ahead, ban me like you did Pete. The thread and it's author are both jokes anyways."

LOL, paranoid AND hostile. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You said>>>"By the way, you're being a $#@!. A real $#@!gy one."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯, LOL. Try harder.

Standing Wolf
05-31-2016, 04:16 PM
Space Prison was my first SF read too!

No kidding! Was it the first Pyramid paperback with the Nazi-looking, space-suited, crewcut-haired guy dragging the woman by the arm on the cover? (This was only about thirteen years after WWII, and the bad aliens were called the "Gerns". Not too subtle.)

http://www.booksshouldbefree.com/image/detail/Space-Prison.jpg

Did you ever read the sequel, 'The Space Barbarians'? I was stationed in Long Beach in the late '80s, and I found a copy in a huge old bookstore there. The people running the place must have thought I was nuts, I was so excited. Unfortunately, it wasn't anywhere near as good as 'Space Prison'. It was pretty much pure space opera, ala "Doc" Smith, only not as good.

I got my copy of 'Space Prison', as I said when I was nine or ten. My mother volunteered at a second-hand charity thrift shop in Plainfield, Indiana, and I was hanging out with her there and found four paperbacks priced at a dime each. The copy of 'Space Prison' was sort of falling apart, but I told her I wanted that one, too. That copy of 'Space Prison' eventually fell apart from frequent re-readings, but I'm pretty sure I still have the other books squirreled away somewhere.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/15/30/38/153038770aab23d7f93a518a9e4b99a1.jpg

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3b/12/11/3b1211a15c8d6c3a4775d4b75cd45919.jpg

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/74/0d/59/740d5971365d1e535c0190b9174103d1.jpg

Captain Obvious
05-31-2016, 10:18 PM
So wait a minute...

A thread titled "space raptor butt invasion" is tPF'd?

Yeah...

Captain Obvious
05-31-2016, 10:20 PM
No kidding! Was it the first Pyramid paperback with the Nazi-looking, space-suited, crewcut-haired guy dragging the woman by the arm on the cover? (This was only about thirteen years after WWII, and the bad aliens were called the "Gerns". Not too subtle.)

http://www.booksshouldbefree.com/image/detail/Space-Prison.jpg

Did you ever read the sequel, 'The Space Barbarians'? I was stationed in Long Beach in the late '80s, and I found a copy in a huge old bookstore there. The people running the place must have thought I was nuts, I was so excited. Unfortunately, it wasn't anywhere near as good as 'Space Prison'. It was pretty much pure space opera, ala "Doc" Smith, only not as good.

I got my copy of 'Space Prison', as I said when I was nine or ten. My mother volunteered at a second-hand charity thrift shop in Plainfield, Indiana, and I was hanging out with her there and found four paperbacks priced at a dime each. The copy of 'Space Prison' was sort of falling apart, but I told her I wanted that one, too. That copy of 'Space Prison' eventually fell apart from frequent re-readings, but I'm pretty sure I still have the other books squirreled away somewhere.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/15/30/38/153038770aab23d7f93a518a9e4b99a1.jpg

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3b/12/11/3b1211a15c8d6c3a4775d4b75cd45919.jpg

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/74/0d/59/740d5971365d1e535c0190b9174103d1.jpg

I have (had) an original copy of that Space Prison comic and a bunch of others like it.

I don't know how I got them when I was a kid but my parents tossed them all when I moved out, I had a bunch of others like that.

OGIS
05-31-2016, 10:51 PM
So wait a minute...

A thread titled "space raptor butt invasion" is tPF'd?

Yeah...

Yeah, well it is a sure preventative for space butt raptors. No, wait, raptor space butts. Something like that.

PROOF: Have you seen any space raptors - with or without butts - in any of my tPFed threads? No, you haven't. See? It works.

del
05-31-2016, 10:53 PM
All opposition to the silly sjw is good.

stupidity becomes you


but you knew that

OGIS
05-31-2016, 10:59 PM
No kidding! Was it the first Pyramid paperback with the Nazi-looking, space-suited, crewcut-haired guy dragging the woman by the arm on the cover? (This was only about thirteen years after WWII, and the bad aliens were called the "Gerns". Not too subtle.)

http://www.booksshouldbefree.com/image/detail/Space-Prison.jpg

Did you ever read the sequel, 'The Space Barbarians'? I was stationed in Long Beach in the late '80s, and I found a copy in a huge old bookstore there. The people running the place must have thought I was nuts, I was so excited. Unfortunately, it wasn't anywhere near as good as 'Space Prison'. It was pretty much pure space opera, ala "Doc" Smith, only not as good.

I got my copy of 'Space Prison', as I said when I was nine or ten. My mother volunteered at a second-hand charity thrift shop in Plainfield, Indiana, and I was hanging out with her there and found four paperbacks priced at a dime each. The copy of 'Space Prison' was sort of falling apart, but I told her I wanted that one, too. That copy of 'Space Prison' eventually fell apart from frequent re-readings, but I'm pretty sure I still have the other books squirreled away somewhere.


Here's the cover I had on my 2nd edition MMPB that I read ragged:

14824

Yeah, I was also disappointed in the sequel. I don't think he knew how to finish it.

Standing Wolf
06-01-2016, 06:14 PM
I've got a copy of that printing, too...along with the book in several foreign languages. And copies of all his other stories. I guess I've become something of a nut on Godwin. The bibliography in his Wiki article is complete thanks to my efforts - the only article I've ever felt an urge to contribute to.