Trolling and trolls

[Carygrant]

Consider yourself edumacated by the bellicose brit.


If you followed my life closely , you would know my waist size is down a good two English inches . i am definitely therefore not bellicose . Belliless , perhaps .

[Smartmouthwoman]

Did you know the girly threads which havent even been up on the board do just the same? Also All the Music threads as well. Same with the UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens. Which havent been current in some time. Imagine that!

Is that a bad thing?

How about the Top Referrer Award?

Another bad thing?

[IGetItAlready]

If you followed my life closely , you would know my waist size is down a good two English inches . i am definitely therefore not bellicose . Belliless , perhaps .

:facepalm:

English ole boy, ENGLISH!

[MMC]

'Dealt with' is an excellent way to put it.

'Welcomed' only worked for a month or so.

And for the record, my banter with Cigar is based on a weird mutual respect thing. I invited him to come here and he knows I'm only teasing about the wife thing. I did come down pretty hard on Margot... but we also have a long history.

FYI, I post on both forums... although I've been spending more and more time here BECAUSE I LIKE IT HERE.

Or at least I did until the attacks started.

Now I'm feeling downright unwelcome here.

Funny how fast things can turn around, isn't it?

Lmao and you are asking me such? Yeah dealt with.....considering they tried to take over the site! Or do you think a Site should just hand itself over to 5 or 6 trolls and their pals?

[MMC]

Is that a bad thing?

How about the Top Referrer Award?

Another bad thing?

No I think those are fine as awards. Like you I have had to learn about these awards too. Which was something implemented for the members and not something we had created in the beginning.

Also I can tell you the others(mods)which includes before Trinnity came here. Wanted a VIP system put out for senior members. Which maybe that is the way to work the issue of trolling with not only the Mods but the Senior members of the site and VIPS.

[shaarona]

If you followed my life closely , you would know my waist size is down a good two English inches . i am definitely therefore not bellicose . Belliless , perhaps .

Must confess I love Brits... Used to do a lot of SCUBA diving in the Out Islands.. and from time to time we would be invited to their tiny Yacht club... and in reciprocity we would invite them to our island for an evening.

We'd cook and dance folk dances and smoke pot.. sit down and say grace at moonrise. I decided early on that they thought we were stupid because Southerners speak so slowly... and I didn't mind much..

If anything is true about Brits.. they are irreverant and will insist on your best game.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Am I a troll?

[Canadianeye]

Very few people on forums know how to effectively deal with trolls. Plus, there is always this notion in peoples minds that 100% effectiveness is possible. It isn't possible on a general forum such as this. Try not using the word troll to define the type of person you don't want on the site...and the answer pops right out.

"An annoying fuckstick whose only purpose is to ruin site(s) and contributes nothing beyond that intent, endlessly, over and over and over...with little of value content, yet with maximum effort in getting under the mod/rules radar for that sole purpose...whom NO ONE would really miss in the least, from either side of the political aisle."

All smart ass responses anticipated of course, but, I know the name that just popped into everyones head with that definition of troll.

Make a rule, don't make a rule...who really cares, since rarely does anyone exhibit real self discipline against trolls anyways. They feed off of the negative, and people at times really enjoy punching them in the face during that feeding process.

[GrumpyDog]

What I was advocating was the group--group dynamics--ostracize trolls. How the group does that is difficult since any action taken toward trolls only gives them what they want. Try to engage them in discussion, they'll troll back, attack them, they'll troll back, moderate them, they'll troll back. Ignore them they'll go away.

Sounds like Social Engineering. AND STOP IGNORING ME DAMMIT!

[Chris]

Sounds like Social Engineering. AND STOP IGNORING ME DAMMIT!

Sorry, stopped reading this thread for a while--think pretty much all that can be said's been said.

Social engineering, perhaps, but without a centrally planned design.

[Captain Obvious]

What you don't seem to comprehend here is THERE ARE NO RULES AGAINST TROLLING ON THIS FORUM.

That's the purpose of this thread, right? To define what trolling is and ask whether there should be rules?

I agree about the personal insults. And agree that I'm guilty of doing the same thing. But again... why should I 'clean up my act' when the mods here are worse than any of the members?

Capt O insulted me numerous times by calling my threads petty and hate-filled.

Is it worse when a mod insults a member than when a member insults another member?

I'd say it is.

Unless, of course, y'all would like to run off all the 'newbies' and get back to the safe little circle you had before we found this place. That's the distinct impression I get... we're not very welcome here anymore.

I did not insult you.

If your maturity level is such that you feel intellectually threatened when someone calls bullshit to one of your many (by your definition - not mine) "troll" like posts and threads, then that is your problem, not mine.

This is a discussion forum - it's open to any and all points of view. Not just yours, not the little clique you're attached to, not mine, not ADMIN's - everyone's point of view applies. If that's outside the scope of your comfort zone and security blanket, again - that's too bad. Everyone here has the equal right to express their opinion without being harassed by bullies crying "troll" from one side of their mouth and engage in what they're defining as trolling out of the other side. That's hypocrisy and bullying.

I asked more than several times if "we" wanted a more restrictive forum where every post would be monitored and opinionated members would be subject to trolling regs, but I never get an answer. I get a lot of whining "mods do this" and "mods say that", but nothing constructive - ALWAYS the negativity.

My standpoint is, and I'll state it again - implementing "trolling" rules would be a huge mistake. I have no doubt that you and others would use them as a weapon of retaliation considering you demonstrate a clear pattern of retaliatory dialogue.

Even your avatar is "troll-ish".

The hypocrisy is getting old.

[Captain Obvious]

This topic is all over the place, I doubt I can reel it in but...

I don't think trolling rules are necessary. If members want a public poll on this, I'm happy to create one - or maybe one of you can go ahead and do just that. I think these rules would cause more damage than they prevent.

I like Chris's comments - and I already sort of adhere to them. When I get here and see a page 3/4 full of Cigar's threads, I don't feel the need to read let alone reply to any of them. He's just shaking the cage, why am I going to waste my time feeding that frenzy?

So I don't bother with the vast majority of it.

Maybe some folks need an internal reality check and ask themselves if they really need to react to everything that is posted.

[MMC]

This topic is all over the place, I doubt I can reel it in but...

I don't think trolling rules are necessary. If members want a public poll on this, I'm happy to create one - or maybe one of you can go ahead and do just that. I think these rules would cause more damage than they prevent.

I like Chris's comments - and I already sort of adhere to them. When I get here and see a page 3/4 full of Cigar's threads, I don't feel the need to read let alone reply to any of them. He's just shaking the cage, why am I going to waste my time feeding that frenzy?

So I don't bother with the vast majority of it.

Maybe some folks need an internal reality check and ask themselves if they really need to react to everything that is posted.


The Answer to your other thread is a Clear NO! Also I agree with all you said here Cap.

[roadmaster]

This topic is all over the place, I doubt I can reel it in but...

I don't think trolling rules are necessary. If members want a public poll on this, I'm happy to create one - or maybe one of you can go ahead and do just that. I think these rules would cause more damage than they prevent.

I like Chris's comments - and I already sort of adhere to them. When I get here and see a page 3/4 full of Cigar's threads, I don't feel the need to read let alone reply to any of them. He's just shaking the cage, why am I going to waste my time feeding that frenzy?

So I don't bother with the vast majority of it.

Maybe some folks need an internal reality check and ask themselves if they really need to react to everything that is posted.

I understand but you need to remember a lot came from different sites which celebrated trolling and name calling. I was impressed that those same ones from where I came from were banned here. If they had not been this site would have gone down hill because they ran off more people than any, nor would I have bothered staying here because it gets old. To be honest I don't see anything like this on this site. A little joking is fine but I don't see the deliberate "run off any new members here". Everyone attack. A little trolling is ok but lets not run off new members and try to be civil. But if they get out of hand and only here to insult and not debate you will have to do something for the membership. It has to be really see-able. If one goes over the line to many times all of you mods are going to have to make that call, like it or not.

[MMC]

Looking thru the thread I would say the clear majority is for less moderation. As to Identifying trolls, people will know which ones are and then the rest of the site should look the Mods for any other clarifications.

[Captain Obvious]

I understand but you need to remember a lot came from different sites which celebrated trolling and name calling. I was impressed that those same ones from where I came from were banned here. If they had not been this site would have gone down hill because they ran off more people than any, nor would I have bothered staying here because it gets old. To be honest I don't see anything like this on this site. A little joking is fine but I don't see the deliberate "run off any new members here". Everyone attack. A little trolling is ok but lets not run off new members and try to be civil. But if they get out of hand and only here to insult and not debate you will have to do something for the membership. It has to be really see-able. If one goes over the line to many times all of you mods are going to have to make that call, like it or not.

That's a fair observation, RM - but we're trying to keep dialogue open and unmolested.

That attracts a lot of interest also, being able to post freely without being badgered by cumbersome rules and moderation.

It would be favorable if everyone knew when to back off after a while and that's not always the case, so the tool that we're using right now is the warning system. If things in a thread get out of hand, warnings (in-thread then PM) are issued, then infractions after that if it continues.

So if people are responsible enough to back off after things get a little dicy, they're safe. If they don't know when to let it go, then action is taken.

[roadmaster]

So if people are responsible enough to back off after things get a little dicy, they're safe. If they don't know when to let it go, then action is taken.

Exactly.

[Chris]

This topic is all over the place, I doubt I can reel it in but...

I don't think trolling rules are necessary. If members want a public poll on this, I'm happy to create one - or maybe one of you can go ahead and do just that. I think these rules would cause more damage than they prevent.

I like Chris's comments - and I already sort of adhere to them. When I get here and see a page 3/4 full of Cigar's threads, I don't feel the need to read let alone reply to any of them. He's just shaking the cage, why am I going to waste my time feeding that frenzy?

So I don't bother with the vast majority of it.

Maybe some folks need an internal reality check and ask themselves if they really need to react to everything that is posted.

I'd suggest reviewing Shoot the Goose's posts here, especially pages 22-23. While we disagree on how to handle it, I think he makes some good points about the effect trolling has on forums.

[Canadianeye]

Reading through this sites rules and direction brought me to this observation. If you are seeking the direction of "world class" political discussion forum, then you are going to have to have a concrete troll rule, or, a moderation team that is willing to play the whack-a-troll game with above average precision.

I generally don't like rules, so I go with NO, but you guys set the "World Class" bar...so I am teetering on that bar with my NO vote.

[Trinnity]

One specific point I want to mention. Several times people have ignored in-thread warnings for civility and just kept on going attacking each other....we let that slide, but that's not going to be overlooked so easily going forward. Word to the wise, heed an in-thread plea for civility or risk the consequences.

The forum is getting bigger and the people who cause trouble are usually the same ones over and over. The necessity for more modding is the fault of those who continually ignore the basic forum rules. It's not complicated. Know the rules and follow them. Especially fair use. Tracking down sources and fixing content is time consuming and we're not here to be editors for people who should have done it themselves. Links are required on all quoted material.

[Captain Obvious]

Ok Chris (and Goose) - lets say that there is a focus on the quality of posting, specifically trolling.

Goose's example of a thread titled "FLOTUS has a wide ass", what would be the "rule" and "action" that govern these sorts of things?

Move them? Create a "troll hole" and move them there? Delete them? Infract/warn the poster?

And what about in-thread "troll" replies, who decides what is trolling and what isn't? I hope not SMW.

I don't disagree that this isn't a valid point.

[Shoot the Goose]

Reading through this sites rules and direction brought me to this observation. If you are seeking the direction of "world class" political discussion forum, then you are going to have to have a concrete troll rule, or, a moderation team that is willing to play the whack-a-troll game with above average precision.

I generally don't like rules, so I go with NO, but you guys set the "World Class" bar...so I am teetering on that bar with my NO vote.

Exactly. And again folks, its not about eliminating all the trolling posts. Its about getting rid of the folks who are essentially only trolls, as Canadian Ey put so "eloquently" earlier.

Its such as Cigar, Head of Joaquin, that GOPhanger idiot (if he's even still here). These folks are only trolls. Your members overwhelmingly know it. When someone makes 10 straight posts that bring nothing informed to any topic, its a troll .......... duh.

What will happen is that you will genuinely improve the quality of the forum. Standards maintained will attract people with standards !

Otherwise, you expect the rest of us to bring credibility to this place, while the trolls come in and crap on things, and its OK ?

Nope. Your contributions will be stifled as well.

[Shoot the Goose]

Ok Chris (and Goose) - lets say that there is a focus on the quality of posting, specifically trolling.

Goose's example of a thread titled "FLOTUS has a wide ass", what would be the "rule" and "action" that govern these sorts of things?

Move them? Create a "troll hole" and move them there? Delete them? Infract/warn the poster?

And what about in-thread "troll" replies, who decides what is trolling and what isn't? I hope not SMW.

I don't disagree that this isn't a valid point.

I think that is a different issue though. You have to decide what makes a thread valid, i.e. what the standards are, or what is proper for that sub-forum, etc. I do think this forum needs a bit better organization of sub-forums. I agree that a thread such as "Flotus Has a Big Ass" etc., should not be allowed in a serious part of the forum. I also believe that such a thread would not be subject to anti-trolling rules, as it invites nonsense. Put another way "start a stupid thread, and expect stupid posts".

But in the deep water part of the Forum, we can do better. And as Canadian Eye said, without some anti-trolling efforts, you won't get the quality you want. In fact, it will be self-defeating. The trolls are looking for the best discussions, that are counter to their ideology, on which to take a dump.

[Captain Obvious]

OK Goose, so are you suggesting that inflammatory threads simply be moved to another forum - like a "junk shack"?

And are you suggesting that certain members be targeted for tendency to troll?

[Beevee]

I thought the TOS here we pretty clear on what trolling is and what the penalties for it were.

That said however for an example of trolling, just look at just about any liberal post, and you'll see it. ;) Especially when it's a post defending the almighty OBAMA

This post is not trolling, of course, since it isn't meant to inflame.

Yes, I understand the Republican definition of trolling. It's to get rid of the liberal content and have a 'I love you, my con sweetheart' party.

Am I trolling? Yes? Then so are you all!

[MMC]

One specific point I want to mention. Several times people have ignored in-thread warnings for civility and just kept on going attacking each other....we let that slide, but that's not going to be overlooked so easily going forward. Word to the wise, heed an in-thread plea for civility or risk the consequences.

The forum is getting bigger and the people who cause trouble are usually the same ones over and over. The necessity for more modding is the fault of those who continually ignore the basic forum rules. It's not complicated. Know the rules and follow them. Especially fair use. Tracking down sources and fixing content is time consuming and we're not here to be editors for people who should have done it themselves. Links are required on all quoted material.


Heeding ones own advice Should remain prevalent in your thoughts as well!

[Chris]

I think if forum organization is cleaned up--as discussed elsewhere, maybe adding a junk or joke room--mods moving threads to more appropriate forum areas is OK.


When it comes to members, mods could talk to them, reach a consensus amongst themselves, present their case to admin. That way you avoid any possible bias.


Moderation's a hell of a job.

[MMC]

OK Goose, so are you suggesting that inflammatory threads simply be moved to another forum - like a "junk shack"?

And are you suggesting that certain members be targeted for tendency to troll?

I have yet to see any other Lefty or independant echo the Rights thoughts on getting rid of and or determining who is a Troll that leans left! Notice that?

[MMC]

Also I would note that out the FEW left leaning people here. None have called for the ousting of any Righty Trolls either!

[Captain Obvious]

This post is not trolling, of course, since it isn't meant to inflame.

Yes, I understand the Republican definition of trolling. It's to get rid of the liberal content and have a 'I love you, my con sweetheart' party.

Am I trolling? Yes? Then so are you all!

This is a fair statement, and one of my big concerns.

The forum already tilts heavily right, attracting a balanced membership and avoiding a conservative echo chamber requires fairness for everyone, and it's not fair to new liberal members who are ganged up on - then called "trolls" when they react.

It's happened a number of times already.

[head of joaquin]

Exactly. And again folks, its not about eliminating all the trolling posts. Its about getting rid of the folks who are essentially only trolls, as Canadian Ey put so "eloquently" earlier.

Its such as Cigar, Head of Joaquin, that GOPhanger idiot (if he's even still here). These folks are only trolls. Your members overwhelmingly know it. When someone makes 10 straight posts that bring nothing informed to any topic, its a troll .......... duh.

What will happen is that you will genuinely improve the quality of the forum. Standards maintained will attract people with standards !

Otherwise, you expect the rest of us to bring credibility to this place, while the trolls come in and crap on things, and its OK ?

Nope. Your contributions will be stifled as well.


Some recent trollery by Goose.


STFU. Have you ever made one post in your life that brought something to the conversation besides libtard stupidity ?




Look ! A new idiot libtard ! As if we were going to run out !







Well then. I'll just have to buy a thousand more myself. I'm going to be ready to go Korean on these liberal parasite bastards.



Why hasn't this freakish troll Goose been banned! I demand it!

[Canadianeye]

Exactly. And again folks, its not about eliminating all the trolling posts. Its about getting rid of the folks who are essentially only trolls, as Canadian Ey put so "eloquently" earlier.

Its such as Cigar, Head of Joaquin, that GOPhanger idiot (if he's even still here). These folks are only trolls. Your members overwhelmingly know it. When someone makes 10 straight posts that bring nothing informed to any topic, its a troll .......... duh.

What will happen is that you will genuinely improve the quality of the forum. Standards maintained will attract people with standards !

Otherwise, you expect the rest of us to bring credibility to this place, while the trolls come in and crap on things, and its OK ?

Nope. Your contributions will be stifled as well.

I agree Goose, it will get generally better with standards maintained, and that is attractive to new members.

It boils down to the memberships techniques when dealing with trolls. The trick, for lack of a better word, is in not directly speaking to the troll, but indirectly and without insult, getting the message to the troll. That requires a better crafted post and self discipline.

Eg. The topic is on race. The troll enters the thread (or generates the thread) to incite. Captain Obvious is in the thread, or SMW or Trinn, w/e. That is the person I will respond to, and, within that response I will include INDIRECTLY a dismissive acknowledgement towards the trolls post, without any personal attack.

This technically feeds the troll, but it isn't the taste they are after as trolls. They are being spoken "around". You have probably watched me do this numerous times over the last few years, since I believe it is the most effective way of dealing with them.

Most of the time because the post is a little more crafted than usual, it evokes a more crafted post from the recipient, which generally starts to translate into more quality postings, which is the goal. (yes, I know I get wordy doing it sometimes, so shoot me)

It might also be a moderator direction...to reward with perhaps reputation/achievment, those who don't engage the trolls. Everyone likes a cookie. ;-)

[MMC]

This is a fair statement, and one of my big concerns.

The forum already tilts heavily right, attracting a balanced membership and avoiding a conservative echo chamber requires fairness for everyone, and it's not fair to new liberal members who are ganged up on - then called "trolls" when they react.

It's happened a number of times already.


You are hitting on the nail on the head Cap. Although I would note the Clique thingy is going on as well. Which myself figured was to be expected. Another reason why not to use Reputation and or thanks as any sort of guage.

[Shoot the Goose]

OK Goose, so are you suggesting that inflammatory threads simply be moved to another forum - like a "junk shack"?

And are you suggesting that certain members be targeted for tendency to troll?

I think such as a Junk Shack is a good idea. I think it addresses a lot of the issues, from lousy threads to folks that want to wallow in mud and lousy posts. Not unlike a kiddie pool for the kids to play in.

But as to purging the real trolls ? Yup. They will stand out quick enough. Then have them stand trial. For a jury(such as) members who have been here 30 days or longer, and postied a certain minumum number of times in the last 30 days. Like the Romans ... thumbs up or thumbs down.

Lastly, those that have said that Cons just want to make it for the Cons. That is horsepoop. We luv good debate. We do not all want to be sitting around looking at each other. There are quality lib posters out there. And more quality Cons. And Independents. If they know you have a standard that boots the trolls, they will at least give you a look. And if you in fact do keep the place semi-cleaner than anywhere else, you will grow with good folks.

Do I sense a troll getting nervous in an earlier post ? Why YES, I believe that I do !! That's the idea ......... ;)

[Goldie Locks]

Some recent trollery by Goose.






Why hasn't this freakish troll Goose been banned! I demand it!


To be honest, he was responding to idiotic trolling posts...just sayin' Things said meant to derail a thread of bring nothing to the discussion at hand.

[Shoot the Goose]

To be honest, he was responding to idiotic trolling posts...just sayin' Things said meant to derail a thread of bring nothing to the discussion at hand.

Yup. That wasn't trolling. It was THE HAMMER !

[Deadwood]

Ha... I didn't know.. I tend to read the BBC against other publications.



WTF?


"read" the British Broadcasting Corporation?



ROFLMAO

[shaarona]

Signs that your trolling is succesful:

*Your victim screaming in all-caps at you.
*Personal attacks (Calling you a retard, idiot, etc).
*Being an Internet Tough Guy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/define.php?term=Internet%20Tough%20Guy).
*Making a crude remark, before quickly logging off before you can retort.

Signs that your trolling is unsuccesful:

*Your victim identifying you as a troll.
*Identifying yourself as a troll.
*Your efforts being ignored.
*Being counter-trolled (See below)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

[shaarona]

WTF?


"read" the British Broadcasting Corporation?



ROFLMAO

Like this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ :sign5:

[Deadwood]

:facepalm:

English ole boy, ENGLISH!

Oh give it up.

For the record bellicose means "quarrelsome, hostile, ready to fight."

And unless there are some pictures, the claim is bullshit.

[Deadwood]

That's a fair observation, RM - but we're trying to keep dialogue open and unmolested.

That attracts a lot of interest also, being able to post freely without being badgered by cumbersome rules and moderation.

It would be favorable if everyone knew when to back off after a while and that's not always the case, so the tool that we're using right now is the warning system. If things in a thread get out of hand, warnings (in-thread then PM) are issued, then infractions after that if it continues.

So if people are responsible enough to back off after things get a little dicy, they're safe. If they don't know when to let it go, then action is taken.



So far, so good. so long as that system is applied evenly.

I would suggest the same approach be applied to cases where the thread has gone seriously awry, as in it becomes more about taking shots back and forth than it the intended topic.

That, IMO, is a more serious problem than trolling. I too log on and see several pages of the same trolls and simply log out and go to one of my other forums.....

But too often I see some dialogue, interesting input [remember I am three hours behind the east here] only to find 10 or 20 pages in it's a war between one troll and several others, which is usually what the troll wants.

That isn't world class and sends me to the "Knitters Anonymous" forum where its far more interesting....

[Deadwood]

Ok Chris (and Goose) - lets say that there is a focus on the quality of posting, specifically trolling.

Goose's example of a thread titled "FLOTUS has a wide ass", what would be the "rule" and "action" that govern these sorts of things?

Move them? Create a "troll hole" and move them there? Delete them? Infract/warn the poster?

And what about in-thread "troll" replies, who decides what is trolling and what isn't? I hope not SMW.

I don't disagree that this isn't a valid point.



I would call that baiting. If that's what you want, fine. I generally ignore that crap.

[Chris]

I think such as a Junk Shack is a good idea. I think it addresses a lot of the issues, from lousy threads to folks that want to wallow in mud and lousy posts. Not unlike a kiddie pool for the kids to play in.

But as to purging the real trolls ? Yup. They will stand out quick enough. Then have them stand trial. For a jury(such as) members who have been here 30 days or longer, and postied a certain minumum number of times in the last 30 days. Like the Romans ... thumbs up or thumbs down.

Lastly, those that have said that Cons just want to make it for the Cons. That is horsepoop. We luv good debate. We do not all want to be sitting around looking at each other. There are quality lib posters out there. And more quality Cons. And Independents. If they know you have a standard that boots the trolls, they will at least give you a look. And if you in fact do keep the place semi-cleaner than anywhere else, you will grow with good folks.

Do I sense a troll getting nervous in an earlier post ? Why YES, I believe that I do !! That's the idea ......... ;)


But as to purging the real trolls ? Yup. They will stand out quick enough. Then have them stand trial. For a jury(such as) members who have been here 30 days or longer, and postied a certain minumum number of times in the last 30 days. Like the Romans ... thumbs up or thumbs down.

I think I like that. Create a forum area where mods and "alleged" troll present their case, maybe let qualified and selected jury ask questions but at least discuss, but give only view permission to others.

[Captain Obvious]

I think I like that. Create a forum area where mods and "alleged" troll present their case, maybe let qualified and selected jury ask questions but at least discuss, but give only view permission to others.

Worth consideration and I'll tee it up with the rest of the group.

My only suggestion would be that only mods and VIP's can act/vote. This leaves out the potential of a lynch mob effect.

[Beevee]

Worth consideration and I'll tee it up with the rest of the group.

My only suggestion would be that only mods and VIP's can act/vote. This leaves out the potential of a lynch mob effect.

Wow! For a country that believes in the First Amendment, this suggestion is on a par with Nancy Grace and I don't care that you are a mod or VIP by my saying so.

You need to come up with something better than that. It's an assumption that those you choose are qualified to take action in the first place, and they aren't.

There isn't a person here that isn't biased in one direction or the other - but you already know that.

[Peter1469]

The first amendment applies to the government. Not to a private internet forum.

[Captain Obvious]

Wow! For a country that believes in the First Amendment, this suggestion is on a par with Nancy Grace and I don't care that you are a mod or VIP by my saying so.

You need to come up with something better than that. It's an assumption that those you choose are qualified to take action in the first place, and they aren't.

There isn't a person here that isn't biased in one direction or the other - but you already know that.

The floor is yours.

And I'm not an untouchable, you can call me pretty much anything you like.

[Shoot the Goose]

I think I like that. Create a forum area where mods and "alleged" troll present their case, maybe let qualified and selected jury ask questions but at least discuss, but give only view permission to others.


Worth consideration and I'll tee it up with the rest of the group.

My only suggestion would be that only mods and VIP's can act/vote. This leaves out the potential of a lynch mob effect.

I can sympathize with both. But if there is a way to let all view, as it would be with a gladiator in Roman times, I think you will find it a very effective tool at attracting new members. In that it will bolster a reputation of smacking trolls.

A little fresh meat thrown to the members .... ;)

Regardless, trolls will either start to avoid this place, or clean up their act a little if posting here, both of which are good.

[Shoot the Goose]

The floor is yours.

And I'm not an untouchable, you can call me pretty much anything you like.

Already have .............. :)

[Shoot the Goose]

Wow! For a country that believes in the First Amendment, this suggestion is on a par with Nancy Grace and I don't care that you are a mod or VIP by my saying so.

You need to come up with something better than that. It's an assumption that those you choose are qualified to take action in the first place, and they aren't.

There isn't a person here that isn't biased in one direction or the other - but you already know that.


The first amendment applies to the government. Not to a private internet forum.

Beeve. What Pete said. We're talking peer review. It doesn't get any better, for those of us who thrive on accountability anyway.

Surely you are astute enough to compete ............. ;)

[Deadwood]

The floor is yours.

And I'm not an untouchable, you can call me pretty much anything you like.


And I have...


The first amendment is a nice excuse to throw out for anyone, especially troll-like individuals who drop in occasionally to irritate. But it is a non-starter here.

You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater and, in fact, can be criminally charged [in extreme cases] for telling lies about an individual.


Those same and similar "limits" on free speech have to apply here, if not more so, unless you want chaos.

As to complaining about the mods being the ones to make the decision, my suggestion is to do some reading of this thread...where there has been extensive conversation about polling the members.

Fuck I hate ignorance...

[Deadwood]

Is that trolling?

[Chris]

Worth consideration and I'll tee it up with the rest of the group.

My only suggestion would be that only mods and VIP's can act/vote. This leaves out the potential of a lynch mob effect.

I think the idea of a jury of peers, meaning members, better. Maybe mods could first present their case to vips, but letting members decide would be more effective. Qualified, by various criteria.

[Shoot the Goose]

I think the idea of a jury of peers, meaning members, better. Maybe mods could first present their case to vips, but letting members decide would be more effective. Qualified, by various criteria.

Yup. Allow Mods some formula by which they could override. Perhaps grant a 30 day probation if the members had voted a ban.

But a jury of peers is the American way. Militias voted their leaders as well, and that worked out well also.

It will also be a marketing tool to bring folks in ........ ;)

[MMC]

Members qualified by various criteria. I would still think such would fall on the Mods and the VIPs as they already have the Qualifications by criteria.

As we have already seen the play when it comes to groups from others sites.

[Chris]

Members qualified by various criteria. I would still think such would fall on the Mods and the VIPs as they already have the Qualifications by criteria.

As we have already seen the play when it comes to groups from others sites.

Mods and vips could run the "court" but leave jury open to members.

[Captain Obvious]

Mods and vips could run the "court" but leave jury open to members.

Considering the imbalance of lefties and righties here, if this were open to public "voting", liberal members would get slammed.

It would be a kangaroo court.

[Chris]

Yup. Allow Mods some formula by which they could override. Perhaps grant a 30 day probation if the members had voted a ban.

But a jury of peers is the American way. Militias voted their leaders as well, and that worked out well also.

It will also be a marketing tool to bring folks in ........ ;)


But a jury of peers is the American way. Militias voted their leaders as well, and that worked out well also.

So did pirates, see The Invisible Hook: The Hidden Economics of Pirates (http://www.amazon.com/The-Invisible-Hook-Economics-Pirates/dp/0691137471).

:piratetongue:

[Shoot the Goose]

Mods and vips could run the "court" but leave jury open to members.

Hell Yeah. Scares the shit outta the trolls. They aren't used to basic Democracy. Accountabilty. They are gnashing teeth as we post.

Now if we can just get Obama thrown out on his ass, we might be on a roll !

[Chris]

Considering the imbalance of lefties and righties here, if this were open to public "voting", liberal members would get slammed.

It would be a kangaroo court.

Ditto mods and vips I think and I also think there are many of us outside that old dichotomy.

It's an interesting idea, something to think about.

[Shoot the Goose]

Considering the imbalance of lefties and righties here, if this were open to public "voting", liberal members would get slammed.

It would be a kangaroo court.

No. Its not left vs. right. Its about standards. Your post is a lame excuse. You must aspire for democratic standards. Otherwise you stay corrupted.

[Captain Obvious]

Ditto mods and vips I think and I also think there are many of us outside that old dichotomy.

It's an interesting idea, something to think about.

PH has "council members" for another purpose, not sure what it is though - but theoretically they could be nominated to speak/vote for the accused.

This is getting a little complicated, but maybe it won't be so much if it boils down to a simple and practical solution.

[Captain Obvious]

No. Its not left vs. right. Its about standards. Your post is a lame excuse. You must aspire for democratic standards. Otherwise you stay corrupted.

First, this is far from a democracy. It's a message forum and ADMIN has the final say in all issues we present to him. I can only tee them up for recommendation.

Second, I have no doubt that a wide open system will be vendetta driven. No doubt whatsoever, it's happening now to some degree.

If I challenge someone's radical statement, I'm immediately labeled a troll and a liberal. And I'm a mod - I'm supposed to instill fear and submission into the peons of the forum, and genuflected to when I grace you with my presence. :wink:

If that happens to me, someone who presents an opposing argument will get whitewashed if everyone has a vote, so my suggestion is this - have 3 "liberal" council members and 3 "conservative" members, let them vote if it comes to voting.

And, since you're on the democracy kick - you, everyone can elect and/or remove these members by popular vote. A sort of forum electoral college.

[Chris]

PH has "council members" for another purpose, not sure what it is though - but theoretically they could be nominated to speak/vote for the accused.

This is getting a little complicated, but maybe it won't be so much if it boils down to a simple and practical solution.

Yes, it needs to be kept very simple and clear.

[Trinnity]

Second, I have no doubt that a wide open system will be vendetta driven. No doubt whatsoever, it's happening now to some degree. Yep. And people with vendettas are not gonna have any say in anything.
Count on it.

[Goldie Locks]

If I challenge someone's radical statement, I'm immediately labeled a troll and a liberal.




Challenge to you means posting obscene shit pictures in a thread?

[Conley]

We have five mods...two conservatives (WR and Trinn), two independents (Me and CO), and Blad a lib...seems pretty balanced to me.

[Goldie Locks]

Yep. And people with vendettas are not gonna have any say in anything.
Count on it.

Who's vendetta??? The poster or the mod?

[Goldie Locks]

We have five mods...two conservatives (WR and Trinn), two independents (Me and CO), and Blad a lib...seems pretty balanced to me.


Seems to be.

[Captain Obvious]

Who's vendetta??? The poster or the mod?

Yours

[Captain Obvious]

We have five mods...two conservatives (WR and Trinn), two independents (Me and CO), and Blad a lib...seems pretty balanced to me.

Now I'm an independent?

:kiss:

[Goldie Locks]

Yours

So that would be the poster then and mods never have a vendetta. Got it.

[Conley]

Now I'm an independent?

:kiss:

Depends who you ask :laugh:

[Shoot the Goose]

First, this is far from a democracy. It's a message forum and ADMIN has the final say in all issues we present to him. I can only tee them up for recommendation.

Second, I have no doubt that a wide open system will be vendetta driven. No doubt whatsoever, it's happening now to some degree.

If I challenge someone's radical statement, I'm immediately labeled a troll and a liberal. And I'm a mod - I'm supposed to instill fear and submission into the peons of the forum, and genuflected to when I grace you with my presence. :wink:

If that happens to me, someone who presents an opposing argument will get whitewashed if everyone has a vote, so my suggestion is this - have 3 "liberal" council members and 3 "conservative" members, let them vote if it comes to voting.

And, since you're on the democracy kick - you, everyone can elect and/or remove these members by popular vote. A sort of forum electoral college.

OK. A benevolent dictatorship in the end. Like a business. That's cool.

Keep it as simple as possible, as another poster opined. Also, for the skeptical, this is not an added chore. This is marketing the Forum first and foremost.

Obvious. I am starting to think you can chew gum and tie your shoes at the same time.

You are "moving on up" ....... my feet are dancing ... I feel a tune coming on ...... :)

A somewhat open troll removal system will hike the forum way up. Word will get around. If nothing else, you make this place a challenge, and that will only reap a good harvest.

Independent dickhead that you arrogantly are.

[Deadwood]

First, this is far from a democracy. It's a message forum and ADMIN has the final say in all issues we present to him. I can only tee them up for recommendation.

Second, I have no doubt that a wide open system will be vendetta driven. No doubt whatsoever, it's happening now to some degree.

If I challenge someone's radical statement, I'm immediately labeled a troll and a liberal. And I'm a mod - I'm supposed to instill fear and submission into the peons of the forum, and genuflected to when I grace you with my presence. :wink:

If that happens to me, someone who presents an opposing argument will get whitewashed if everyone has a vote, so my suggestion is this - have 3 "liberal" council members and 3 "conservative" members, let them vote if it comes to voting.

And, since you're on the democracy kick - you, everyone can elect and/or remove these members by popular vote. A sort of forum electoral college.



Won 't work....you need to be able to break the tie, so a seventh is needed. He or she would have to BE SEEN tobe independent.


And I do genuflect to you....so you can kiss my ass!


LOL

[Trinnity]

Who's vendetta??? The poster or the mod?Any member with a vendetta. The mods have no vendettas. None.

[Deadwood]

Now I'm an independent?

:kiss:


If you are, I'm a liberal.....

well I am in some ways, but I still think Obama is a jerk headed, incompetent, waste of oxygen ...

[Cigar]

This is the Internet ... what good are vendettas ... ?

Unless ............................. :)

[Goldie Locks]

Any member with a vendetta. The mods have no vendettas. None.

So mods are not people first? Mods have no flaws? I've seen many who have agenda's, why would here be any different?

[Trinnity]

Actually, I'm a "small L" libertarian. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Not a member of the Libertarian party. I'm registered as "unaffiliated". Technically, that makes me an independent.

[Shoot the Goose]

Any member with a vendetta. The mods have no vendettas. None.

Then no one has vendettas.

Hmmmmmm .......:rollseyes:

[KC]

Won 't work....you need to be able to break the tie, so a seventh is needed. He or she would have to BE SEEN tobe independent.


What's an independent? Independent from American notions of left and right, or Republican or Democrat?

Libertarians and Authoritarians/Communitarians are independent from left and right but are still not free from biases.

[Cigar]

V - for Vendetta :grin: Where Trolls Live

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/ATT-Global-Network-Operations-Center-Video-Walls-Data-Monitoring-Image2.jpg

It pays to have Friends in Low Places ... :evil:

[Conley]

Sounds like Social Engineering. AND STOP IGNORING ME DAMMIT!

What's wrong with engineering? Are you one of those peculiar subset of Repubs who think education is elitist?! :wink: :laugh:

[Beevee]

Beeve. What Pete said. We're talking peer review. It doesn't get any better, for those of us who thrive on accountability anyway.

Surely you are astute enough to compete ............. ;)

You either believe in free speech, or you don't. If you find the need to control a private forum the end result is the other place.

I doubt that this forum is the centre of the universe for any member and if it is, they no longer have a life. Although it's intended as a place to be serious about politics - that's unrealistic, because politics aren't serious, everyone here has already proclaimed that by their dismissal of the opposing party. If you want to be serious, become a politician and be the butt of derision because you won't change anything for the better.

Accept the place as it is, trolling and all. Because if you attempt to curtail it instead of choosing to ignore it (and everyone is capable of ignoring it) sooner or later members will get fed up with being called out and will move on elsewhere.

[Shoot the Goose]

You either believe in free speech, or you don't. If you find the need to control a private forum the end result is the other place.

I doubt that this forum is the centre of the universe for any member and if it is, they no longer have a life. Although it's intended as a place to be serious about politics - that's unrealistic, because politics aren't serious, everyone here has already proclaimed that by their dismissal of the opposing party. If you want to be serious, become a politician and be the butt of derision because you won't change anything for the better.

Accept the place as it is, trolling and all. Because if you attempt to curtail it instead of choosing to ignore it (and everyone is capable of ignoring it) sooner or later members will get fed up with being called out and will move on elsewhere.

Your post is what stupid people say. Grow up sooner or later. Otherwise, you are a midget on a soapbox. How many times have other members indicated to you that you act too smart by half ?

You don't seem to try very hard.

Here's the deal young'un. You have a right of free speech. You do not have a right to trespass where members or owners think you are a bore with your free speech.

[Beevee]

Hell Yeah. Scares the shit outta the trolls. They aren't used to basic Democracy. Accountabilty. They are gnashing teeth as we post.

Now if we can just get Obama thrown out on his ass, we might be on a roll !

And this, of course, is not trolling?

But, even if it is, it's amusing because it's pissing in the wind and one can have fun with that.

[GrumpyDog]

What's wrong with engineering? Are you one of those peculiar subset of Repubs who think education is elitist?! :wink: :laugh:

I am a peculiar subset, like yourself, of free, but somewhat eccentric animals, who like to point out contradictions where they appear obvious. :occasion14:

[Deadwood]

What's wrong with engineering? Are you one of those peculiar subset of Repubs who think education is elitist?! :wink: :laugh:


Both the term "social engineering" and the concept were the invention of.....wait for it......


Henry Ford.

[Captain Obvious]

Both the term "social engineering" and the concept were the invention of.....wait for it......


Henry Ford.

This is why it pays to have old guys hanging around.

:poke:

[Conley]

I am a peculiar subset, like yourself, of free, but somewhat eccentric animals, who like to point out contradictions where they appear obvious. :occasion14:

:laugh: It's a good thing you changed that icon because I was about to point out as animals we shouldn't go around beating dead horses.

[GrumpyDog]

your post is what stupid people say. Grow up sooner or later. Otherwise, you are a midget on a soapbox. How many times have other members indicated to you that you act too smart by half ?

You don't seem to try very hard.

Here's the deal young'un. You have a right of free speech. You do not have a right to trespass where members or owners think you are a bore with your free speech.


troll alert troll alert

[Deadwood]

And this, of course, is not trolling?

But, even if it is, it's amusing because it's pissing in the wind and one can have fun with that.



No actually, it is not trolling. If you had bothered to read the beginning of the thread, you would know that.

[Conley]

This is why it pays to have old guys hanging around.

:poke:

He's obviously an elitist. Burn the witch! :evil: :grin:

[Deadwood]

Your post is what stupid people say. Grow up sooner or later. Otherwise, you are a midget on a soapbox. How many times have other members indicated to you that you act too smart by half ?

You don't seem to try very hard.

Here's the deal young'un. You have a right of free speech. You do not have a right to trespass where members or owners think you are a bore with your free speech.

Now THIS is trolling~!


LMFAO

[Deadwood]

This is why it pays to have old guys hanging around.

:poke:


Are you calling me old?

Why you cheap fuck!

[Cigar]

Are you calling me old?

Why you cheap fuck!

It's a grateful thing to get Old ... don't worry ... be happy, many never got the chance.

[Captain Obvious]

It's a grateful thing to get Old ... don't worry ... be happy, many never got the chance.

You're no spring chicken either, I understand.

Fall cock maybe.

[Beevee]

Thank you for your impressive statement.

I won't be changing my attitude.

[Chris]

Didn't Henry author The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem (http://www.amazon.com/The-International-Jew-Henry-Ford/dp/1599869179)?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Page 36

[Trinnity]

Then no one has vendettas.

Hmmmmmm .......:rollseyes:Was I unclear? No mod has any vendetta.

[Deadwood]

He's obviously an elitist. Burn the witch! :evil: :grin:


Witch?


Why you....

You're just pissed because I am waaaay smarter than you.


Got a match?

[Captain Obvious]

... and counting.

http://oneseasonnation.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2008/11/kyle_moar.jpg

[Beevee]

No actually, it is not trolling. If you had bothered to read the beginning of the thread, you would know that.

It's interesting to note that in telling me 'this is not trolling' you chose to edit the intent of my post by leaving out the substance of the posters remarks.

[Goldie Locks]

Was I unclear? No mod has any vendetta.

How do you know? You can see through everyone's mind? You know damn well mods have vendetta's and agenda's. You've seen it close up. Now that you are a mod, it's evaporated???

[Deadwood]

Didn't Henry author The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem (http://www.amazon.com/The-International-Jew-Henry-Ford/dp/1599869179)?


Yep, he sure did. And he, along with a number of other noted other Americans, almost half the country, was on the side of Nazi Germany until the Japanese bomber Pearl Harbor.

[Trinnity]

Goldie, I work with these mods and we know each other well. None of us has any vendetta and our only agenda is to take good care of the forum and do our jobs as well as we possibly can.

[GrumpyDog]

Goldie, I work with these mods and we know each other well. None of us has any vendetta and our only agenda is to take good care of the forum and do our jobs as well as we possibly can.

And doing an outstanding job.

Can I have another rep bisquit now? Please please?

[Conley]

You're just pissed because I am waaaay smarter than you.

Busted! :laugh:

[Conley]

If there are major vendettas I don't know about them...and believe me we talk A LOT in the mod room :laugh:

That said we mods are just members and we definitely have flaws as has been discussed an awful lot in these 36 pages :grin:

[GrassrootsConservative]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yunSRfnsVck

[Captain Obvious]

If there are major vendettas I don't know about them...and believe me we talk A LOT in the mod room :laugh:

That said we mods are just members and we definitely have flaws as has been discussed an awful lot in these 36 pages :grin:

37 pages...

Con spends a lot of time "reviewing" those sausage pics that got moved into the mod room.

:evil:

[Conley]

:laugh: Not this shit again :facepalm:

You guys want to know what trolling is? I'll tell you. Trolling is registering as Captain Dick Nose and posting gay porn all over the forum!

[Goldie Locks]

Goldie, I work with these mods and we know each other well. None of us has any vendetta and our only agenda is to take good care of the forum and do our jobs as well as we possibly can.

I have worked with people too, who have turned around and stabbed me in the back. Don't give me that shit!!! You don't really know anyone on the internet good enough to trust them with your life, let alone someone you know in person. Mods can have agenda's and can have vendetta's. You've seen it, so don't give me that shit that it does not or cannot exist here, now or in the future. You may think you are above it and the others too, but that is no guarantee of success. Mods are just people too, unless you think you and the others are above anything of this sort. This is the sort of God complex most mods have that we have seen.

[GrassrootsConservative]

:laugh: Not this shit again :facepalm:

You guys want to know what trolling is? I'll tell you. Trolling is registering as Captain Dick Nose and posting gay porn all over the forum!

That's what happened to me on my last forum. That's why I came here. :(

[Captain Obvious]

At least he could have had the courtesy of posting lezbo porn.

... oi vey.

[Captain Obvious]

That's what happened to me on my last forum. That's why I came here. :(

For the gay porn?

[GrassrootsConservative]

For the gay porn?

No, because I posted gay porn. If I wanted gay porn I would go to a gay porn site.

[Conley]

:roflmao:

[Conley]

At least he could have had the courtesy of posting lezbo porn.

... oi vey.

Yeah those guys looked jewish to me too. :shocked:

[roadmaster]

If there are major vendettas I don't know about them...and believe me we talk A LOT in the mod room :laugh:

That said we mods are just members and we definitely have flaws as has been discussed an awful lot in these 36 pages :grin:

Everyone here has flaws. I mean I had to work with all libs and picked my battles. Two became friends.

[IGetItAlready]

:roflmao:

Me2.
This shit's getting hilarious!

[Captain Obvious]

Alright, delayed punchline but I eventually got it.

[Trinnity]

That's what happened to me on my last forum. That's why I came here. :(

At least he could have had the courtesy of posting lezbo porn.

... oi vey.

For the gay porn?

:sign10: omg....

[Deadwood]

Why can't we have lesbian porn?

My browser can't find any...

[MMC]

Yep. And people with vendettas are not gonna have any say in anything.
Count on it.


Shall we put that to a test. Count on that!!!!!

[MMC]

Actually, I'm a "small L" libertarian. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Not a member of the Libertarian party. I'm registered as "unaffiliated". Technically, that makes me an independent.

You're nothing more than Right Wing Hack.....who likes to run around and play victim.

[MMC]

How do you know? You can see through everyone's mind? You know damn well mods have vendetta's and agenda's. You've seen it close up. Now that you are a mod, it's evaporated???


And we definately know about that hidden agenda. Especially from one that likes to play head games. :wink:

[MMC]

I have worked with people too, who have turned around and stabbed me in the back. Don't give me that shit!!! You don't really know anyone on the internet good enough to trust them with your life, let alone someone you know in person. Mods can have agenda's and can have vendetta's. You've seen it, so don't give me that shit that it does not or cannot exist here, now or in the future. You may think you are above it and the others too, but that is no guarantee of success. Mods are just people too, unless you think you and the others are above anything of this sort. This is the sort of God complex most mods have that we have seen.

Myself I think it also shows in the way a Mod approaches people. Oh and you hit the nail on the head as for the God Complex. Because the real truth is. My brutha's would give up the Modding in less than a heartbeat. If they could.

Which just cant be said about another.

Course Myself showing I would give up everything to remove the problem. Says everything!!!!!

[MMC]

Like Chris Stated.....keep it simple!

[JohnAdams]

You're nothing more than Right Wing Hack.....who likes to run around and play victim.

And there we have it ladies and gents, trolling at it's finest. ;)

[Canadianeye]

And there we have it ladies and gents, trolling at it's finest. ;)

Some of this stuff is just way beyond me John.

Trinn and Smartie bring droves of peeps here, and as it veers right with the influx...someone is losing their comfy zone, and, voila....a little agitation and a mod tensions amongst themselves seems to be bubbling. (or at least being attempted to agitation)

It's almost like someone hopes that when the dust settles, all the new influx will leave, and the comfy zone with return.

Forum dynamics are just so complicated. /snicker.

[MMC]

And there we have it ladies and gents, trolling at it's finest. ;)

Well John considering I have been in the thread and posted up to people from the beginning and am not showing up 3 days later to respond to something that is at the end of the thread. It must mean I know what I am talking about.

Moreover the facts does not change just because Trinnity was made into a mod. Most people are always on the Best behaviour when they come round others whom they do not know. After some time.....thats when the true Colors come out and then people discover truths for what they are!

[MMC]

Some of this stuff is just way beyond me John.

Trinn and Smartie bring droves of peeps here, and as it veers right with the influx...someone is losing their comfy zone, and, voila....a little agitation and a mod tensions amongst themselves seems to be bubbling. (or at least being attempted to agitation)

It's almost like someone hopes that when the dust settles, all the new influx will leave, and the comfy zone with return.

Forum dynamics are just so complicated. /snicker.


Nah CE.....I think I see it a from a Different perspective. Moreso I think such shows those Right hand Trolls will definately have something to think about now. Knowing Trinnity can't protect their azzes anymore. Or keep coming up with the excuse that she was away from her computer while her lil buddies are free to go to town on a lefty.

From my perspective.....I can agree that SMW and Trinnity are bringing people here. Course I would redirect that to getting people to come from PF mostly while complaining about their Technical Glitches.

See we have had Dadakarma and her Clique of trolls come here and pull the same exact moves. Dada was bringing all kinds of Lefties here from the site she was from Which most know. Round up all her little pals and come in and try to take over the site. Run off as many Righties as they could. Create Problems for the Mods. Although.....unlike Trinnity. She didnt try to push her way up into shit nor did she refuse to give up any position that she held. The difference being she had none.

See others thought it was fine to bring out all this BS about Cap and CL. While trying to discuss the Defining of Trolling. Which is fine and opens up those communication lines.

Trinnity is no different than Dada other than that she leans to the Right. Yeah she has brought some of her lackeys with. That Clique she holds to. Thats not to say all those coming from PF are even associated to Trinnity or even have anything to do with her.

My only concern is with her and her lackeys getting away with whatever they want when no other mods are on duty. Which I will Counter, despite Trinnitys innuendoes!

[MMC]

Hopefully the Admin and those that Created the Site will decide on the basement or Troll Hole. Junk Room or whatever.....I agree with Goose and Cap on that issue. Although unlike the last time we had it up.....I think the difference would be in having one that Monitors such a Room. Kinda like having a Dungeon Master to decide which Rooms the threads would go into. As well as to watch out for threats.

Last time there was no monitor and people just would come, sign in and run straight to the troll hole to get into with whoever they were into it with. That is the one difference that could be changed up. As the monitor or the Admin would be allowing such access. Or Kicking Those into it on the main board down there.

Also I favor the thread ban. Again nothing worse for a troll that creates a thread but can't take part in it!.

The last thing I can say about Cap, CL, WR, that No matter what takes place. They are for Minimal moderation and they will play it fair. Even if they are into an arguement with someone. They always have and they will always will. Now with blad as a lefty mod. This should also counter the problem that exists with that issue of playing it fair!

[Canadianeye]

Nah CE.....I think I see it a from a Different perspective. Moreso I think such shows those Right hand Trolls will definately have something to think about now. Knowing Trinnity can't protect their azzes anymore. Or keep coming up with the excuse that she was away from her computer while her lil buddies are free to go to town on a lefty.

From my perspective.....I can agree that SMW and Trinnity are bringing people here. Course I would redirect that to getting people to come from PF mostly while complaining about their Technical Glitches.

See we have had Dadakarma and her Clique of trolls come here and pull the same exact moves. Dada was bringing all kinds of Lefties here from the site she was from Which most know. Round up all her little pals and come in and try to take over the site. Run off as many Righties as they could. Create Problems for the Mods. Although.....unlike Trinnity. She didnt try to push her way up into shit nor did she refuse to give up any position that she held. The difference being she had none.

See others thought it was fine to bring out all this BS about Cap and CL. While trying to discuss the Defining of Trolling. Which is fine and opens up those communication lines.

Trinnity is no different than Dada other than that she leans to the Right. Yeah she has brought some of her lackeys with. That Clique she holds to. Thats not to say all those coming from PF are even associated to Trinnity or even have anything to do with her.

My only concern is with her and her lackeys getting away with whatever they want when no other mods are on duty. Which I will Counter, despite Trinnitys innuendoes!

Obviously I can't speak for everyone who has migrated from a technically challenged site, but there are other perks to this site, beyond not being technically challenged. I like that the easing off of a language filter, recognizing that we are adults and can speak as we wish. I like that there is no endless moaning by leftists about banning damn near anyone under the "racist" banner they wield adnauseum. I like the new faces/opinions I run into around here along with the migrated "cliqued" ones you mentioned.

You can call me a lackey of Smartie or Trinn, I have no problem with your translation of that, if it works for you. It's an online shared respect amongst us by my definition, which works for me.

And to be on topic, there are a couple of tools who are actively trolling this site, who, IMO simply want to fuck the site up because that is what gives them their shits and giggles I guess.

On a happier note, I will be in Cuba this Saturday, hearing Ola Ola endlessly, chasing the women and drinking til I'm blurry. :smiley:

[JohnAdams]

Well John considering I have been in the thread and posted up to people from the beginning and am not showing up 3 days later to respond to something that is at the end of the thread. It must mean I know what I am talking about.

Moreover the facts does not change just because Trinnity was made into a mod. Most people are always on the Best behaviour when they come round others whom they do not know. After some time.....thats when the true Colors come out and then people discover truths for what they are!

Who is mod or is not mod, who left modding or why they left modding is irrelevant to me MMC. And frankly not only do I not care why a mod has left, we the membership should never know why you left modding.

That too is something which should be for the moderation and admin staffs eyes and ears. Only.

Whatever the issue is, (and that is not important here) if an issue between members of staff arises it should and ought to stay behind closed doors to be addressed by the staff and administration behind those closed doors MMC.

To go into the public open forums, start name calling, and then airing whatever issues you have with another member of the staff.

I can tell you, almost without exception, across the board, at any website that has forums and a moderation team, is considered to be unprofessional and immature. And at most sites would result with your immediate banning.


Oh and one more thing. I do not frankly give a rats ass if you don't like it that I chose to wait till page three to speak up. The moderation staff no matter their own personal politics works hard to make this a place we can all enjoy.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that ADMIN does. For you to sit on the sidelines sniping at them, is uncalled for and whether you like it or not, some of us are willing to speak up on the behalf of the admins and mods here when they are being unfairly attacked by you.

Even if and when they themselves may not be doing so, choosing instead to remain professional and silent.

[sparty]

Hopefully the Admin and those that Created the Site will decide on the basement or Troll Hole. Junk Room or whatever.....I agree with Goose and Cap on that issue. Although unlike the last time we had it up.....I think the difference would be in having one that Monitors such a Room. Kinda like having a Dungeon Master to decide which Rooms the threads would go into. As well as to watch out for threats.

Last time there was no monitor and people just would come, sign in and run straight to the troll hole to get into with whoever they were into it with. That is the one difference that could be changed up. As the monitor or the Admin would be allowing such access. Or Kicking Those into it on the main board down there.

Also I favor the thread ban. Again nothing worse for a troll that creates a thread but can't take part in it!.

The last thing I can say about Cap, CL, WR, that No matter what takes place. They are for Minimal moderation and they will play it fair. Even if they are into an arguement with someone. They always have and they will always will. Now with blad as a lefty mod. This should also counter the problem that exists with that issue of playing it fair!

Do you post at the forum I was recruited from? lol.

[JohnAdams]

Obviously I can't speak for everyone who has migrated from a technically challenged site, but there are other perks to this site, beyond not being technically challenged. I like that the easing off of a language filter, recognizing that we are adults and can speak as we wish. I like that there is no endless moaning by leftists about banning damn near anyone under the "racist" banner they wield adnauseum. I like the new faces/opinions I run into around here along with the migrated "cliqued" ones you mentioned.

You can call me a lackey of Smartie or Trinn, I have no problem with your translation of that, if it works for you. It's an online shared respect amongst us by my definition, which works for me.

And to be on topic, there are a couple of tools who are actively trolling this site, who, IMO simply want to fuck the site up because that is what gives them their shits and giggles I guess.

On a happier note, I will be in Cuba this Saturday, hearing Ola Ola endlessly, chasing the women and drinking til I'm blurry. :smiley: Don't forget my cigars candy. ;)

[sparty]

Who is mod or is not mod, who left modding or why they left modding is irrelevant to me MMC. And frankly not only do I not care why a mod has left, we the membership should never know why you left modding.

That too is something which should be for the moderation and admin staffs eyes and ears. Only.

Whatever the issue is, (and that is not important here) if an issue between members of staff arises it should and ought to stay behind closed doors to be addressed by the staff and administration behind those closed doors MMC.

To go into the public open forums, start name calling, and then airing whatever issues you have with another member of the staff.

I can tell you, almost without exception, across the board, at any website that has forums and a moderation team, considered to be unprofessional and immature.

Oh and one more thing. I do not frankly give a rats ass if you don't like it that I chose to wait till page three to speak up. The moderation staff no matter their own personal politics works hard to make this a place we can all enjoy.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that ADMIN does. For you to sit on the sidelines sniping at them, is uncalled for and whether you like it or not, some of us are willing to speak up on the behalf of the admins and mods here when they are being unfairly attacked by you.

Even if and when they themselves may not be doing so, choosing instead to remain professional and silent.

Kudos to you!

[MMC]

Who is mod or is not mod, who left modding or why they left modding is irrelevant to me MMC. And frankly not only do I not care why a mod has left, we the membership should never know why you left modding.

That too is something which should be for the moderation and admin staffs eyes and ears. Only.

Whatever the issue is, (and that is not important here) if an issue between members of staff arises it should and ought to stay behind closed doors to be addressed by the staff and administration behind those closed doors MMC.

To go into the public open forums, start name calling, and then airing whatever issues you have with another member of the staff.

I can tell you, almost without exception, across the board, at any website that has forums and a moderation team, is considered to be unprofessional and immature. And at most sites would result with your immediate banning.


Oh and one more thing. I do not frankly give a rats ass if you don't like it that I chose to wait till page three to speak up. The moderation staff no matter their own personal politics works hard to make this a place we can all enjoy.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that ADMIN does. For you to sit on the sidelines sniping at them, is uncalled for and whether you like it or not, some of us are willing to speak up on the behalf of the admins and mods here when they are being unfairly attacked by you.

Even if and when they themselves may not be doing so, choosing instead to remain professional and silent.


Well Personally John.....I don't give a shiznitt when you dropped into the thread. Moreover it is evident that you should have read the whole thread. As I am not criticzing all those Mods and the Team. Which shows us what about you now John? :laugh:

I also know the Admin John. Do you think the Admin wants his Mods trolling members John? Do you think the Admin wants his moderators to treat people equally and fairly. The answer to that question is an unequivocal.....Yes, He does! Do you think that a Mod that does such is making that place enjoyable to everybody? :rollseyes:

So now where does that leave your grandstanding play for your pal. Especially since we did notice how you never mentioned anything about your buddies going at Cap and CL in this thread. Or how your pals were ragging on the team....huh? :shocked: :grin:

[Chris]

Who is mod or is not mod, who left modding or why they left modding is irrelevant to me MMC. And frankly not only do I not care why a mod has left, we the membership should never know why you left modding.

That too is something which should be for the moderation and admin staffs eyes and ears. Only.

Whatever the issue is, (and that is not important here) if an issue between members of staff arises it should and ought to stay behind closed doors to be addressed by the staff and administration behind those closed doors MMC.

To go into the public open forums, start name calling, and then airing whatever issues you have with another member of the staff.

I can tell you, almost without exception, across the board, at any website that has forums and a moderation team, is considered to be unprofessional and immature. And at most sites would result with your immediate banning.


Oh and one more thing. I do not frankly give a rats ass if you don't like it that I chose to wait till page three to speak up. The moderation staff no matter their own personal politics works hard to make this a place we can all enjoy.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that ADMIN does. For you to sit on the sidelines sniping at them, is uncalled for and whether you like it or not, some of us are willing to speak up on the behalf of the admins and mods here when they are being unfairly attacked by you.

Even if and when they themselves may not be doing so, choosing instead to remain professional and silent.

Have to agree with this.

[Goldie Locks]

Well Personally John.....I don't give a shiznitt when you dropped into the thread. Moreover it is evident that you should have read the whole thread. As I am not criticzing all those Mods and the Team. Which shows us what about you now John? :laugh:

I also know the Admin John. Do you think the Admin wants his Mods trolling members John? Do you think the Admin wants his moderators to treat people equally and fairly. The answer to that question is an unequivocal.....Yes, He does! Do you think that a Mod that does such is making that place enjoyable to everybody? :rollseyes:

So now where does that leave your grandstanding play for your pal. Especially since we did notice how you never mentioned anything about your buddies going at Cap and CL in this thread. Or how your pals were ragging on the team....huh? :shocked: :grin:


I know you are not criticizing all the members of the team and I also know that admin wants the best for this forum as you do.

[MMC]

I know you are not criticizing all the members of the team and I also know that admin wants the best for this forum as you do.


Have to agree with this!!!! :wink:

[Chris]

I know you are not criticizing all the members of the team and I also know that admin wants the best for this forum as you do.

Well, I know from working with the team and admin they all want what's best for the forum.

I also know from years of admining and modding these sorts of discussions about moderation and moderators and admins should be taken off line.

[Goldie Locks]

Well, I know from working with the team and admin they all want what's best for the forum.

I also know from years of admining and modding these sorts of discussions about moderation and moderators and admins should be taken off line.

OK...I may agree with that, but if someone has a beef with a mod, it usually falls on deaf ears. I really don't know about this site as yet, but from other forums I've been on if you complain about a mod, you're basically screwed. In fact most sites are like the police force, they all stick together no matter what and if you complain, they will come after you, stalk you until they find something to ban you with...sorry but that is the truth!

So, I actually kind of like it is out in the open for the general members to know and comment on. We're not children you know.

[MMC]

:smiley:
OK...I may agree with that, but if someone has a beef with a mod, it usually falls on deaf ears. I really don't know about this site as yet, but from other forums I've been on if you complain about a mod, you're basically screwed. In fact most sites are like the police force, they all stick together no matter what and if you complain, they will come after you, stalk you until they find something to ban you with...sorry but that is the truth!

Have to agree with this as well!!!!! :smiley:


Course you would think all those with such experience would remember this to! :wink:

[Chris]

OK...I may agree with that, but if someone has a beef with a mod, it usually falls on deaf ears. I really don't know about this site as yet, but from other forums I've been on if you complain about a mod, you're basically screwed. In fact most sites are like the police force, they all stick together no matter what and if you complain, they will come after you, stalk you until they find something to ban you with...sorry but that is the truth!

I hear ya but I didn't see that when I was a mod. From my experience I'd say if a complaint falls on deaf ears, go to admin, he's a very reasonable person and will take it up with the mods. Open discussion could undermine the forum more than trolls trolling. I don't know, maybe the forum needs some member advocates.

[Goldie Locks]

:smiley:

Have to agree with this as well!!!!! :smiley:


Course you would think all those with such experience would remember this to! :wink:


Yes, you would.

[Goldie Locks]

I hear ya but I didn't see that when I was a mod. From my experience I'd say if a complaint falls on deaf ears, go to admin, he's a very reasonable person and will take it up with the mods. Open discussion could undermine the forum more than trolls trolling. I don't know, maybe the forum needs some member advocates.


Do you have any other mod experience than here? Because where I come from there was no admin to really talk to. You turned it into a mod and that was that. Nothing happened or you were targeted.

[Shoot the Goose]

Hey Mods. How long does it take to put out the trash ? Its festering right in the middle of the floor, and is starting to rot.

Starting to look like a bunch of limp-dicks who couldn't run a lemonade stand. A couple of punks should be on a temp ban already. How hard is that to do ? C'mon, a turd is a turd.

[MMC]

Hey Mods. How long does it take to put out the trash ? Its festering right in the middle of the floor, and is starting to rot.

Starting to look like a bunch of limp-dicks who couldn't run a lemonade stand. A couple of punks should be on a temp ban already. How hard is that to do ? C'mon, a turd is a turd.


Give em time Goose.....I am hoping they will go with what ya said on the Junk Room. Especially if thats what the majority of members want.

[Chris]

Do you have any other mod experience than here? Because where I come from there was no admin to really talk to. You turned it into a mod and that was that. Nothing happened or you were targeted.

Yes, founded and admined a forum for about 6 years. We had mods for moderation and advocates for members and leaders to manage forum room content. All action was discussed to consensus. Here, by my experience there're fewer but no one acts alone and it's not a clique, everything is discussed and argued out till you want to pull your hair out sometimes. Admin and mods are very conscientious about doing what's best for the forum, imo.

[Shoot the Goose]

Give em time Goose.....I am hoping they will go with what ya said on the Junk Room. Especially if thats what the majority of members want.

Junk Room is a place to send trolling and baiting threads. But it doesn't stop trolls from crapping in valid threads.


As this place attracts traffic, as it has, the trolls are going to follow. Its what they do, and what they have done here now. ADMIN said they were trying to create a great forum .................. well ? Is pulling the trigger on a troll so hard ?


Gimme the gun.

[Captain Obvious]

This thread will be closed for now, we are currently considering everyone's input and a plan of action will be forthcoming.

Thank you all for your feedback.

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