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MMC
09-24-2011, 02:17 PM
What do you think of the Ancient Astronaut Theorists bring MS Science in with the Concept of Aliens/ ET's/ Gods. Bringing in Ancient Civilizations.

Conley
09-24-2011, 02:24 PM
Which mainstream scientists and what findings?

I would be curious to see where the most recent discoveries have led. Imagine too if the ruins had not been plundered by vandals, in Egypt for example. Many of those tombs were picked over and desecrated. Perhaps we could have known more about the ancients had it not been so.

MMC
09-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Geologists, Physcists, Astro-Physicists, Archeologists, and Historians.

Georgio Tsouklas(sp) Hosts the Show.

Conley
09-24-2011, 02:33 PM
He studied sports communication...I wonder how he made the jump. Ithica is a long way from Switzerland. He must have had an interesting life. I wonder if his friends and family have ostracized him for the show or are cool with it.

MMC
09-24-2011, 02:55 PM
http://search.yahoo.com/404handler?s...nceofalienlife (http://search.yahoo.com/404handler?src=news&fr=404_news&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicalhotwire.com%2Fscienc e-technology%2F43994-nasa-scientist-finds-evidence-alien-life.html&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fdigitaltrend s%2F20110305%2Ftc_digitaltrends%2Fnasascientistfin dsevidenceofalienlife)

Well we can start with NASA finding life elsewheres.....or the building blocks of such anyways. These were a bunch of articles put up.

Then we have the Cathoilc Church doing a 180 degree turnaround about life out there.

Then there is the Physicist/Geologist Robert Schock.

Conley
09-24-2011, 03:00 PM
I remember about 10 years ago when NASA announced they had discovered life in an meteorite from Mars I think.

MMC
09-24-2011, 03:04 PM
Well NASA has known all along there is water on the Moon.

Mister D
09-24-2011, 03:25 PM
http://search.yahoo.com/404handler?src=news&fr=404_news&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicalhotwire.com%2Fscienc e-technology%2F43994-nasa-scientist-finds-evidence-alien-life.html&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fdigitaltrend s%2F20110305%2Ftc_digitaltrends%2Fnasascientistfin dsevidenceofalienlife

Well we can start with NASA finding life elsewheres.....or the building blocks of such anyways. These were a bunch of articles put up.

Then we have the Cathoilc Church doing a 180 degree turnaround about life out there.

Then there is the Physicist/Geologist Robert Schock.


The Catholic Church never had a position on alien life. In any case, this is a red herring commonly employed by "Ufologists" and the guy with the crazy hair. The potential for life (intelligent or otherwise) elsewhere in the universe is not evidence that they have made any contact with humanity. It's an entirely different discussion.

Mister D
09-24-2011, 03:27 PM
We can't agree on everything, MMC. This place would get boring. :-*

Mister D
09-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Duh. I'm not sure why I didn't this of this earlier, Conley, but they have it in the "on demand" section of my cable. Do you have something like that?

Mister D
09-24-2011, 08:58 PM
I didn't realize that dude was 32.

Conley
09-24-2011, 09:16 PM
Duh. I'm not sure why I didn't this of this earlier, Conley, but they have it in the "on demand" section of my cable. Do you have something like that?


They do! My On Demand section is really weird...it's spread out over a ton of channels. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of HD options. I did use it to watch a few minutes of a free softcore the other day :D (I was just testing to make sure it worked!)

Mister D
09-24-2011, 09:37 PM
Duh. I'm not sure why I didn't this of this earlier, Conley, but they have it in the "on demand" section of my cable. Do you have something like that?


They do! My On Demand section is really weird...it's spread out over a ton of channels. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of HD options. I did use it to watch a few minutes of a free softcore the other day :D (I was just testing to make sure it worked!)


Just making sure it worked, eh? ;D

Yeah, so watch an episode or two. It's enjoyable even if these dudes sound like wackos half the time.

Conley
09-24-2011, 09:40 PM
;D

I will but I'll probably just record it. SD looks like crap on our HD tv.

Conley
09-24-2011, 09:40 PM
I didn't know I had free porn. It's good to know it's there, just in case of emergencies.

O0

MMC
09-25-2011, 12:27 AM
Lets not forget that MS Science also has reasons to dispute such. Research etc etc. We can take the discussion from Ancient civilizations, to technologies, and Holy Writings. To start with.

Hard to get around Schock tho.....as a Geo-physicist. Which when he came out with his stuff that he rocked the world of MSscience. Again the UFO-ologists need to be tied in. Again I do not dismiss military personell and their reports. We are trained Observers. Something such as this we would guesstimate size. Look for markings. Any life form. Weapons. Also movement and or any strange occurences coming from the UFO. Althought the UFO-ologists are about debunking the fakes as well. Moreover with Governments all across the world release info on such. Is another tangent that points to Governemnts knowing more thn they can say.

Again as No Government can come out and say they cannot protect their skies or the sovereign space. Nor their people.

MMC
09-25-2011, 01:17 AM
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Thats 4 different carving from 4 different civilizations.

Conley
09-25-2011, 08:50 AM
Lets not forget that MS Science also has reasons to dispute such. Research etc etc. We can take the discussion from Ancient civilizations, to technologies, and Holy Writings. To start with.

Hard to get around Schock tho.....as a Geo-physicist. Which when he came out with his stuff that he rocked the world of MSscience. Again the UFO-ologists need to be tied in. Again I do not dismiss military personell and their reports. We are trained Observers. Something such as this we would guesstimate size. Look for markings. Any life form. Weapons. Also movement and or any strange occurences coming from the UFO. Althought the UFO-ologists are about debunking the fakes as well. Moreover with Governments all across the world release info on such. Is another tangent that points to Governemnts knowing more thn they can say.

Again as No Government can come out and say they cannot protect their skies or the sovereign space. Nor their people.


I trust the higher ranking military people on these sorts of things. Still I believe that many of them are seeing things that are top secret. For example I watched a great documentary of the development of Blackbird and the SR-71 and people around the base had no idea what was going on, just that there were oddities.

Mister D
09-25-2011, 09:35 AM
We can start anywhere you'd like, MMC. Where is the evidence that aliens visited Earth and contacted humans? Pick one piece.

MMC
09-25-2011, 09:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HEo2E70kg

The Pre-Colombian Gold Pieces are over 1000 yrs old.....there is nothing at this time on the planet that resembles these shapes.

There is more my brutha's.....what I wanted to show you off this video was the gold Pre-Colombina pieces. Even tho the rest of the video is decent to watch. The first 10 seconds of this video will answer that question.....UNBELIEVER! http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/smilies/wink.png

Conley
09-25-2011, 09:57 AM
That's some spooky stuff right there! :o

Wow...very cool.

Mister D
09-25-2011, 10:01 AM
Uh, MMC. See what you're doing? Strange looking figures = ancient alien astronauts. :o :D It's a terrible start because you assume from the outset that you already know what you're looking at!

MMC
09-25-2011, 10:24 AM
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1574725163045&id=f953e1ea3b018de8451d751e6fc7bfa7&url=http%3a%2f%2falien-ufo-research.com%2fimages%2fancient%2fequador_alien_sc ulpture.jpg

You Tell me D.....what would your first thought be finding figurines like that. Also being an expert in Archeology and knowing that such civilizations didn't even have writing or technology.

Conley
09-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Those are neat looking sculptures.

MMC another questions if you will. Seems like many of these ancient tribes indulged in herbs and plants around them...some of those cause hallucinations, yes? Could it be that these illustrations are examples of that sort of thing?

MMC
09-25-2011, 10:46 AM
So is they used such plants and then some of those plants and or substances werent in certian locations on the planet. Then how would that explain different sets of people all seeing the same sort of thing?

Mister D
09-25-2011, 10:48 AM
Ancient alien theorists tend to give man very little credit. Otherwise, they wouldn't assume that ancient architecture could not possibly have been made without "ancient alien technology".

No, they don't appear to be wearing spacesuits. Again, this is exactly the problem. You have no idea what those figures are meant to depict. You see something that looks to you like a spacesuit so ergo these must be depictions of ETs. Isn't it suggestive that these ETs we see in cave paintings and elsewhere look a lot like the aliens in popular science fiction films? What does that suggest to you?

Now I'll concede that one interpretation is as good as another provided it's at least plausible and appropriate but we have zero evidence that ETs exist let alone that they have ever visited this planet or interacted with humans. None. On the other hand, we know that humans are here, we know that humans are spiritual creatures, and we know that myth and religion are inescapable parts of the human experience. What is being depicted? We don't know but the notion that alien visitations are the subject matter is wild speculation. I'm not dismissing the notion of alien life or even of alien visitation but speculation and arguments from incredulity will not be enough to establish them.

Mister D
09-25-2011, 10:49 AM
search for ancient flight and dna manipulation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HEo2E70kg#)

The Pre-Colombian Gold Pieces are over 1000 yrs old.....there is nothing at this time on the planet that resembles these shapes.

There is more my brutha's.....what I wanted to show you off this video was the gold Pre-Colombina pieces. Even tho the rest of the video is decent to watch. The first 10 seconds of this video will answer that question.....UNBELIEVER! :D :D ;)


It must be a plane! :o ::) ;D But why would ETs be visiting Earth in a 747? ???

MMC
09-25-2011, 11:04 AM
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MMC
09-25-2011, 11:14 AM
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I don't think Neanderthals and Cro-Magnum had any problem drawing the things they were looking at. Why is these drawings differ than all else they have. Example they drew animals and humans. So why when they drew humans none looked like these in the above picture from the cave.

The Sumerians were the first to Write. They stated we were a slave race. That the Gods came down. Experimented. Took Human Women and mated with them. No they didnt say they were Aliens back then or ET's.

What do you think they would call other entities that had technologies they didnt understand?

MMC
09-25-2011, 11:23 AM
For myself there seems to be enough plausible evidence to suggest that life does exist other than on this planet. I cannot say that these people were saying that these drawing or carvings are Et's. But could I belive them misinterpreting what they thougth was a God. Most definately!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uak1WbG5btI

Now we can look at some MS Science and the field of Archeology. We will go to those that were the first to write.

Lo already mention the Annunaki.....the Nibiru is another.

Btw who says it was a 747.....moreover how would they craft the design. What tools could manipulate the gold that intricately at that time. They have none! Moreover none found.

MMC
09-25-2011, 11:49 AM
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/christ-ufo.jpg


http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/crucifixion-ufo.jpg
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/spaceship-christ.jpg


The first picture shows a fresco entitled "The Crucifixion" and was painted in 1350. Two objects with figures inside can be seen in the top left and top right of the fresco. Two enlargements of these objects are shown above. The fresco is located above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/ball-ufo.jpg

This image cames from the french book "Le Livre Des Bonnes Moeurs" by Jacques Legrand. You can find this book in Chantilly Condé's Museum ref 1338 ,297 part 15 B 8. Some people say that the sphere is a balloon but there was no balloon in france in 1338 ...

So do we have an agreement on the issue that man would know the difference between creatures and insects that fly. As opposed to inanimate objects. Even as far back as 65k or 70k.

Mister D
09-25-2011, 12:49 PM
Ancient alien theorists tend to give man very little credit. Otherwise, they wouldn't assume that ancient architecture could not possibly have been made without "ancient alien technology".

No, they don't appear to be wearing spacesuits. Again, this is exactly the problem. You have no idea what those figures are meant to depict. You see something that looks to you like a spacesuit so ergo these must be depictions of ETs. Isn't it suggestive that these ETs we see in cave paintings and elsewhere look a lot like the aliens in popular science fiction films? What does that suggest to you?

Now I'll concede that one interpretation is as good as another provided it's at least plausible and appropriate but we have zero evidence that ETs exist let alone that they have ever visited this planet or interacted with humans. None. On the other hand, we know that humans are here, we know that humans are spiritual creatures, and we know that myth and religion are inescapable parts of the human experience. What is being depicted? We don't know but the notion that alien visitations are the subject matter is wild speculation. I'm not dismissing the notion of alien life or even of alien visitation but speculation and arguments from incredulity will not be enough to establish them.


For myself there seems to be enough plausible evidence to suggest that life does exist other than on this planet. I cannot say that these people were saying that these drawing or carvings are Et's. But could I belive them misinterpreting what they thougth was a God. Most definately!

Sumerian Symbols and Nibiru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uak1WbG5btI#)

Now we can look at some MS Science and the field of Archeology. We will go to those that were the first to write.

Lo already mention the Annunaki.....the Nibiru is another.

Btw who says it was a 747.....moreover how would they craft the design. What tools could manipulate the gold that intricately at that time. They have none! Moreover none found.


Whether or not life may exist on other planets is moot. The claim we are considering is whether or not these pictures represent not only something in the physical world but a concrete close encounter, as it were. So far all I have heard are wild speculations (and the guys on the show admit as much) to that effect. From these speculations an entire theory seems to have been built up.

It looks like a plane or a jet fighter to me, MMC. In any case, I don't know much about the manipulation of metals in the ancient world. Neither do you. What I do know is that you are offering an argument from incredulity. It goes like this: I can't explain it so it must have been aliens.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/6c7e64eb35.jpg

Mister D
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/christ-ufo.jpg

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/crucifixion-ufo.jpg http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/spaceship-christ.jpg

The first picture shows a fresco entitled "The Crucifixion" and was painted in 1350. Two objects with figures inside can be seen in the top left and top right of the fresco. Two enlargements of these objects are shown above. The fresco is located above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/ball-ufo.jpg

This image cames from the french book "Le Livre Des Bonnes Moeurs" by Jacques Legrand. You can find this book in Chantilly Condé's Museum ref 1338 ,297 part 15 B 8. Some people say that the sphere is a balloon but there was no balloon in france in 1338 ...

So do we have an agreement on the issue that man would know the difference between creatures and insects that fly. As opposed to inanimate objects. Even as far back as 65k or 70k.


MMC, that isn't the question. Again, you are making unjustified assumptions. Just for shits and giggles I looked the first fresco up. It is commonly interpreted as the sun and the moon both of which are commonly portrayed this way. Do you disagree with this? If so, why? It's a work of art from 1350! We can be quite certain that the artist did not witness the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth in 33AD! So do you really think those are depictions of spaceships people saw? Or maybe he was alive in 33AD? Maybe he has ancient alien technology that has enabled him to live for thousands of years! :o :o :o

MMC
09-25-2011, 02:05 PM
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I am just putting up some the pics they have and their depictions. Thats great that you can identify one time period with that of another. Still doesnt change the fact that people have depictions from throughout the history of this planet.

Would you care to try and debunk the Sumerian Codex and what it is saying??? I see you have nothing in the way for carvings and or chiselings of ancient people. Wanna dispute their time of creation? Or that they were the first to write to tell any kind of story.

Mister D
09-25-2011, 02:12 PM
Would I dispute with trained military observers that they are unsure of what they saw or that they couldn't explain what they saw? Not at all. Would I dispute with trained military observers that they saw an alien spacecraft from Sirius 4? Yes. You're talking about people high up in the atmosphere, MMC. I'm sure you will see things from time to time that look odd and are hard to explain. That doesn't mean that it's an alien visitation.

MMC
09-25-2011, 02:23 PM
While you could dispute what a Military observer has to say. The point would be is that their way of being trained would overshadow general practices used by the sheep and or civilian sector. Their words and or sightings cannot be as easily dismissed as opposed to, say if you saw a UFO or even an Alien life-form.

Even more so than over and LE's, and or any others in society.

Now while being cynical and calling out that some Alien craft is from a specific planet. I don't think anybody credible in the Military would do such a thing.

Moreover Ancient man knew the difference between animals and insects that could fly. So it appears they would know the difference between any inanimate objects flying around in the sky and that of living entities.

From all the data we do have. We do know man was concerned with things that could fly that were of this earth. That they considered such a threat. Why would man be afraid of something in the air that could move faster than he does?

Mister D
09-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Would I dispute with trained military observers that they are unsure of what they saw or that they couldn't explain what they saw? Not at all. Would I dispute with trained military observers that they saw an alien spacecraft from Sirius 4? Yes. You're talking about people high up in the atmosphere, MMC. I'm sure you will see things from time to time that look odd and are hard to explain. That doesn't mean that it's an alien visitation.


Well I wouldnt go with the Sirius 4. How about not saying one knows where it comes from but can validate that what he was seeing, was something larger than 3 football fields in the sky and flying, making manuevers that cannot be duplicated by the craft the pilot is in. Due to G-Forces on turns and what seems to break the laws of physics.

Would you call a being who just stepped out of some Un-Identified craft and call them a GOD? What would you call them if you know that craft is something that could not have been built or made on this planet? Would you bow down in subservience to the So called God?


Aliens can break the laws of physics? All I'm saying is that because you see something you cannot explain it does not mean that it has an ET origin but this seems to be the immediate conclusion on the part of some folks. Moreover, we're not talking about an eyewitness to a crime, for example, where I would tend to trust the military man over others. You are talking about people high up in the atmosphere. Different ball game.

I think it's likely that ancient man would indeed have treated an ET as a god but it's hypothetical. There is no evidence of alien visitation in the past or now. The cave paintings could be anything (the cultures in question are long dead so we don't know) and many of the more recent depictions of what are supposedly ETs have more plausible explanations. I tend to take the opinions of students in the fields of religion and myth, for example, over the cockamamie theories of someone like von Daniken.

MMC
09-26-2011, 07:06 AM
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MMC
09-27-2011, 07:33 AM
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09-27-2011, 07:43 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 08:01 AM
IS there now enough evidence to prove that ET's, other lifeforms have been comiing to this planet since the beginning of mankind? For those who are skeptics.....you must acknowledge the fact the Governments are not going to admit that their National Security is compromised. Nor that they cannot control their airspace nor protect it from incursion. They will not put such out in the MSM telling all the truth for fear of panicking populations.
To do so also would mean that Governments would be admitting to abductions of human beings. That military installations have been compromised as well as nuclear silos and ships.

You start out speaking of evidence for alien visitation but then go straight to innuendo.


The Ancient Astronaut Theorists are not just some flakes out there looking at these issues and making shit up. They include Archeologists, geologists, physical scientists, sociologists, psychologists, and historians. There is also the 180 degree turnabout by the Catholic Church on life elsewhere. Then NASA changing it's Mission to seek out Life and UFO'S. We have had President's investigate into the matter or have had to deal with the matter. Other Countries governments are releasing their info on such as well. Plus now the UN has put together a committee for the event of First Contact and who should be speaking for humanity.

It doesn't matter what kind of degrees any of these people have. Secondly, the Catholic Church has never had a position on life elsewhere. Third, the possibility of life elsehwhere is a red herring. We're talking about ETs not only visiting Earth but also interacting extensively with human beings. I have seen nothing so far that doesn't have a better explantion.


From Ancient Civilizations more and more discoveries are being found which would point to outside influence in the building of things and technology. As well as populations of different people, and different cultures describing things that people see today.

What discoveries? There is more and more speculation from ancient alien theorists that's for sure. Yes, people have seeen thigns they can't explain in the sky a long time ago and people see things they can't explain today. It's aliens!


There can be no dispute that people have been seeing things in the sky since the beginning of mankind. There are historical writings of it some by famous people and some by not so famous people. There are surmations even in the major religions writings and their holy books. Many people believe that there is life out there. Moreso today than ever. Especially Modernized Civilizations. But this does not change the fact that such cannot be broadcasted to the world. For those who are not with the 21st century would find out and those populations could panic.

Again, people see things in the sky that they can't explain. So what? Again, the potential for life elsewhere is moot. It's a question of ETs visiing Earth and interacting with human beings. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, MMC. I just don't see it.


Are many decieving themselves and just do not want to accept the evidence? Have the signs been around us all along? If all of it is true.....will it destroy religions? Has contact already been made and was never released to the World or was it and just never accepted.....maybe even deflected by Religions, Scienes, and Governments.

Why would it destroy a rreligion. You keep making this claim. Please explain. Moreover, your just asking questions and speculating.

MMC
09-27-2011, 08:43 AM
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Conley
09-27-2011, 08:49 AM
There are only the craft that today's military puts out there. Someone made a model over 3 football fields long. Threw in some blinking lights and its all ran on batteries. Able to outrun Raptor fighter jets and Stealth Bombers. Outrun Missiles from the United States.The US Reported to have the best and fastest and most appropriate technologies in the world. That others are behind them. That there is another country out there that that just likes screwing with World Powers and their populations. Which is why we can never catch the flying object in the sky. It disappears because man put some acid on it so it takes time to dissolve away into nothing. Which is why all that radar cannot detect them.



What is this referring to? I don't understand what you're describing.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 08:56 AM
I looked up drill bits from the Petrie museum and I see nothing about aliens or the impossibility of creating those bits. What evidence are you talking about? Please don't direct us to a kook site.

MMC, you are just making arguments from incredulity and erecting a host of strawmen arguments. If you have evidence that aliens have visited Earth and have interacted with humans I'll be happy to examine it.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 08:57 AM
There are only the craft that today's military puts out there. Someone made a model over 3 football fields long. Threw in some blinking lights and its all ran on batteries. Able to outrun Raptor fighter jets and Stealth Bombers. Outrun Missiles from the United States.The US Reported to have the best and fastest and most appropriate technologies in the world. That others are behind them. That there is another country out there that that just likes screwing with World Powers and their populations. Which is why we can never catch the flying object in the sky. It disappears because man put some acid on it so it takes time to dissolve away into nothing. Which is why all that radar cannot detect them.



What is this referring to? I don't understand what you're describing.


Aliens. Duh. ::) ;D

MMC
09-27-2011, 09:19 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 09:22 AM
Well I was also going with what the Show has stated and any others with what they are stating that seem to have some sort of correlation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrie_Museum

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/egypt/articles/hrdfact1.php

http://www.touregypt.net/petrie/c14.htm

There are articles all over the place on Petrie.....the Drill bit issue is considered a smoking gun to the Ancient Astronaut Theorists. MS science has no answers to the Special Bits he discovered.


Yes, I found the Petrie Museum online. I can't find anything about drill bits that can't be replicated and were brought by ETs. Sorry, but it sounds more like a smoking crack pipe than a smoking gun.

spunkloaf
09-27-2011, 09:40 AM
I have to agree with the D on this one.

I've watched the History Channel show, the guy with the hair, even with some awe and intrigue. Ultimately I'm not impressed, because most theories require you to take such a leap of faith, it is almost like being bombarded with a new religion all over again.

And I agree that just because we can't explain something doesn't mean we should conclude it with a far-out theory.

The guy with the hair really pisses me off.

MMC
09-27-2011, 11:05 AM
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MMC
09-27-2011, 11:09 AM
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MMC
09-27-2011, 11:12 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 11:13 AM
I'll check them out. I'm more open to some of this then you think.

BTW, I'm not saying that there are not questions to be asked or that there are not mysteries to be solved. Like I said, I watch both of those shows. What I'm sayiing is that some of the theories are just groundless and assume that because something has not yet been explained it must have been the result of alien contact. The guy with the crazy hair does that all the time on the show.

MMC
09-27-2011, 11:14 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 11:18 AM
According to Ancient Aliens.....this episode is what They call the Evidence.

Ancient Aliens - The Evidence part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSOSSDlFf4I#ws)


Ancient Aliens - The Evidence part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzHaCW9raY#ws)


That last video disappeared. Did you edit it? I saw the figure on the stone and I was going to say that it looks a lot like the image of Christ I wear around my neck. It's a Byzantine cross from the early Medieval era. I('m ot actually sure it's not a reproduction but it's solid silver so I didn't get ripped off either way. Anyway, my point is that the design kind of look slike an alien if it's an alien you are looking for. I wish I had a digital camera. I'd take a pic for you. Now that I think about it it really does look like a space man but it's the Risen Christ.

MMC
09-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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MMC
09-27-2011, 11:28 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 11:33 AM
For example, I found this on Ebay.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ROMAN-BRONZE-CROSS-c-400-500-AD-C2-/23/!CBL(kU!!Wk~$(KGrHqUOKjcEzbG0+ZBwBNGkq1g8Gw~~0_3.J PG

We know that's an ancient depiction Jesus Christ because it's a cross. What if that image were found on a cave wall or somewehre else? It looks like it could be a space man, no? We see what we want to see.

Conley
09-27-2011, 11:36 AM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D

MMC
09-27-2011, 11:38 AM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 11:56 AM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.

Conley
09-27-2011, 11:57 AM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D

Mister D
09-27-2011, 11:58 AM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It is a valid point but your timing sucks! >:( :D

Conley
09-27-2011, 12:03 PM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It is a valid point but your timing sucks! >:( :D


:D :D Now you sound like my OL in the bedroom ;) >:D ;D

MMC
09-27-2011, 12:12 PM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It was an Excellent point my brutha.....they were crucifying before Christ Walked the Earth. Like I said they may even have the same depiction with something else drawn with it or carved with it. Then when ya have like 3 or 4 differnt civilizations. That are showing the same type of figure and you know those civilizations did not come in contact with one another. I would think that htese groups were seeing the same type of thing.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 12:30 PM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It was an Excellent point my brutha.....they were crucifying before Christ Walked the Earth. Like I said they may even have the same depiction with something else drawn with it or carved with it. Then when ya have like 3 or 4 differnt civilizations. That are showing the same type of figure and you know those civilizations did not come in contact with one another. I would think that htese groups were seeing the same type of thing.


You're missing the point. MMC. You see a figure that looks to you like a space man. Ergo, it's a space man. The point is that there are more plausible explanations. There is simply no justification for making the jump that ancient alien theorists make.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 12:31 PM
What you have 3 or 4 different civilization depicting humanoid shapes!? ??? ;D

MMC
09-27-2011, 12:50 PM
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MMC
09-27-2011, 12:54 PM
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Conley
09-27-2011, 12:55 PM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It was an Excellent point my brutha.....they were crucifying before Christ Walked the Earth. Like I said they may even have the same depiction with something else drawn with it or carved with it. Then when ya have like 3 or 4 differnt civilizations. That are showing the same type of figure and you know those civilizations did not come in contact with one another. I would think that htese groups were seeing the same type of thing.


You're missing the point. MMC. You see a figure that looks to you like a space man. Ergo, it's a space man. The point is that there are more plausible explanations. There is simply no justification for making the jump that ancient alien theorists make.


Moreso the craft than the occupant and especially back in those days. I also go by all available evidence. Not just because they say it looks like so and so. Like the Amarra Indians who had no writing period nor even the wheel. Living above sea level by about 4000 thousand miles. With no trees and lumber, no quarries anywheres nearby, and cutting diarite stone with exact measurements and those little holes drilled all the way thru the stone from one end to another. Moving 8 to 16 tons stones. Doing things they could not have possibly done. Not unless they were able to move objects with their minds. Drill thru the hardest stone known to man. They would have had to have diamond tipped drill bits. Sand and water would not cut thru diarite. Either that or a laser. What other possible explanation is there For this place?

Drawn the same exact way? Like I stated they don't even have to say it is an alien. What we can say is that it appears they were seeing the same type of figure. Some even at differnt moments in time. Again, without having any contact with one another. :D ;D


I'm going to look all this up.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:00 PM
How do you know it is Jesus?

The cross is an ancient symbol and plenty of people were crucified before Jesus ever walked the earth.

Granted, it is almost certainly Jesus, but at some point you too are operating on faith that this is an illustration of what you want to believe.

Just like Georgio. ;D


It's impossible to speak of knowledge or knowing at all without first believing something. Let's not get all philosophical please. We're not having an epistemological debate. >:( ;D The point is that it is not justifiable to jump from an unexplained image to evidence of an ET encounter. There are other more likely explanations.


Fine! I thought it was a valid point.

>:( >:( :D


It was an Excellent point my brutha.....they were crucifying before Christ Walked the Earth. Like I said they may even have the same depiction with something else drawn with it or carved with it. Then when ya have like 3 or 4 differnt civilizations. That are showing the same type of figure and you know those civilizations did not come in contact with one another. I would think that htese groups were seeing the same type of thing.


You're missing the point. MMC. You see a figure that looks to you like a space man. Ergo, it's a space man. The point is that there are more plausible explanations. There is simply no justification for making the jump that ancient alien theorists make.


Moreso the craft than the occupant and especially back in those days. I also go by all available evidence. Not just because they say it looks like so and so. Like the Amarra Indians who had no writing period nor even the wheel. Living above sea level by about 4000 thousand miles. With no trees and lumber, no quarries anywheres nearby, and cutting diarite stone with exact measurements and those little holes drilled all the way thru the stone from one end to another. Moving 8 to 16 tons stones. Doing things they could not have possibly done. Not unless they were able to move objects with their minds. Drill thru the hardest stone known to man. They would have had to have diamond tipped drill bits. Sand and water would not cut thru diarite. Either that or a laser. What other possible explanation is there For this place?

Drawn the same exact way? Like I stated they don't even have to say it is an alien. What we can say is that it appears they were seeing the same type of figure. Some even at differnt moments in time. Again, without having any contact with one another. :D ;D


Dude, you're all over the place. For now, let's just stick with the humanoid images.

Can you show me depictions of humanoids that are exactly the same? Really, MMC? I'll bet you can't. Anyway, how do you know they saw anything? How do you know these images are meant to depict something someone actually saw/ Again, see what you're doing? You are making yet another unjustified assumption. It's par for the course in 'ancient astronaut theory". Weird humanoid image on rock? Well, it must be a space man. Why would ancient humans paint a space man? Well, they must have seen a space man. ::)

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:01 PM
This is pretty out there:

The largest of these stone blocks is 7.81 meters long, 5.17 meters wide, averages 1.07 meters thick, and is estimated to weigh about 131 metric tons. The second largest stone block found within the Pumapunka is 7.90 meters long, 2.50 meters wide, and averages 1.86 meters thick. Its weight has been estimated to be 85.21 metric tons. Both of these stone blocks are part of the Plataforma Lítica and composed of red sandstone.[4] Based upon detailed petrographic and chemical analyses of samples from both individual stones and known quarry sites, archaeologists concluded that these and other red sandstone blocks were transported up a steep incline from a quarry near Lake Titicaca roughly 10 km away. Smaller andesite blocks that were used for stone facing and carvings came from quarries within the Copacabana Peninsula about 90 km away from and across Lake Titicaca from the Pumapunka and the rest of the Tiwanaku Site.[2][4]

Archaeologists argue that the transport of these stones was accomplished by the large labor force of ancient Tiwanaku. Several theories have been proposed as to how this labor force transported the stones although these theories remain speculative. Two of the more common proposals involve the use of llama skin ropes and the use of ramps and inclined planes.[8]

In assembling the walls of Pumapunku, each stone was finely cut to interlock with the surrounding stones and the blocks fit together like a puzzle, forming load-bearing joints without the use of mortar. One common engineering technique involves cutting the top of the lower stone at a certain angle, and placing another stone on top of it which was cut at the same angle.[3] The precision with which these angles have been utilized to create flush joints is indicative of a highly sophisticated knowledge of stone-cutting and a thorough understanding of descriptive geometry.[5] Many of the joints are so precise that not even a razor blade will fit between the stones.[9] Much of the masonry is characterized by accurately cut rectilinear blocks of such uniformity that they could be interchanged for one another while maintaining a level surface and even joints. The blocks were so precisely cut as to suggest the possibility of prefabrication and mass production, technologies far in advance of the Tiwanaku’s Incan successors hundreds of years later.[8] Tiwanaku engineers were also adept at developing a civic infrastructure at this complex, constructing functional irrigation systems, hydraulic mechanisms, and waterproof sewage lines.

To sustain the weight of these massive structures, Tiwanaku architects were meticulous in creating foundations, often fitting stones directly to bedrock or digging precise trenches and carefully filling them with layered sedimentary stones to support large stone blocks.[8] Modern day engineers argue that the base of the Pumapunku temple was constructed using a technique called layering and depositing. By alternating layers of sand from the interior and layers of composite from the exterior, the fills would overlap each other at the joints, essentially grading the contact points to create a sturdy base.[3][8]

Notable features at Pumapunku are I-shaped architectural cramps, which are composed of a unique copper-arsenic-nickel bronze alloy. These I-shaped cramps were also used on a section of canal found at the base of the Akapana pyramid at Tiwanaku. These cramps were used to hold the blocks comprising the walls and bottom of stone-lined canals that drain sunken courts. I-cramps of unknown composition were used to hold together the massive slabs that formed Pumapunku's four large platforms. In the south canal of the Pumapunku, the I-shaped cramps were cast in place. In sharp contrast, the cramps used at the Akapana canal were fashioned by the cold hammering of copper-arsenic-nickel bronze ingots.[8][10] The unique copper-arsenic-nickel bronze alloy is also found in metal artifacts within the region between Tiwanaku and San Pedro de Atacama during the late Middle Horizon around 600-900.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

:o :o :o

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:03 PM
The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 a.d. and researchers are still seeking answers as to why

Doesn't make sense...this advanced and then gone? Completely?

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:04 PM
The Classical Maya cities disappeared. Why is this any different? Maybe the aliens took them up into space. :o

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:08 PM
The Classical Maya cities disappeared. Why is this any different? Maybe the aliens took them up into space. :o


I'm fascinated by that stuff. Lost Colony too. Aliens or not it is interesting.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:08 PM
The Classical Maya cities disappeared. Why is this any different? Maybe the aliens took them up into space. :o


I'm fascinated by that stuff. Lost Colony too. Aliens or not it is interesting.


I'm just busting your chops. It is very interesting.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:09 PM
The Lost Colony probably got slaughtered though. :-\

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:09 PM
The Classical Maya cities disappeared. Why is this any different? Maybe the aliens took them up into space. :o


I'm fascinated by that stuff. Lost Colony too. Aliens or not it is interesting.


I'm just busting your chops. It is very interesting.


Oh I know ;D

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:10 PM
The Lost Colony probably got slaughtered though. :-\


The Roanoke colony?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif?1311943181

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:12 PM
:roflmao:

yep.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:12 PM
The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 a.d. and researchers are still seeking answers as to why

Doesn't make sense...this advanced and then gone? Completely?


Also

The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience"[12] through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in Tiwanaku culture mummies from Northern Chile, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the Tiwanaku.[13]

As was characteristic of civilizations around this time, the Tiwanaku actively incorporated human sacrifice into their culture. The remains of dismembered bodies have been found throughout the area. Ceramic artifacts depict imagery of warriors, masked with puma skulls, decapitating their enemies and holding trophy skulls, adorned with belts of human heads with their tongues torn out.[12]

MMC
09-27-2011, 01:13 PM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:15 PM
The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 a.d. and researchers are still seeking answers as to why

Doesn't make sense...this advanced and then gone? Completely?


Also

The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience"[12] through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in Tiwanaku culture mummies from Northern Chile, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the Tiwanaku.[13]

As was characteristic of civilizations around this time, the Tiwanaku actively incorporated human sacrifice into their culture. The remains of dismembered bodies have been found throughout the area. Ceramic artifacts depict imagery of warriors, masked with puma skulls, decapitating their enemies and holding trophy skulls, adorned with belts of human heads with their tongues torn out.[12]


Human sacrifice was very common throughtout Mesoamerica and what is now South America. Pretty hideous stuff. The Maya, Aztecs and Inca all engaged in it.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Its in Peru CL.....Pumka Puntu or something like that I will get ya the name. But I got to split now. Plus there is something on the Dogon and Siruis. ;)


Ah But when you have drawing of animals and man with this other depictions. Then that drawing isnt drawn like a man or a woman. Wonder what it is? Like I stated earlier I would look at all that can be correlated to MS science. Not just take their word for it. Plus they are connected when it comes to things that were being seen in the sky or was flying. Again we know primitive man already knew the differnce between inanimate objects and creatures or insects that could fly. I think that concept is accepted by the MS science.


Actually, no. Gods and other spiritual beings are also sometimes depicted in animal or some other form. More unjustified assumptions, MMC. We have no idea in some cases what is being depicted.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:22 PM
The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 a.d. and researchers are still seeking answers as to why

Doesn't make sense...this advanced and then gone? Completely?


Also

The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience"[12] through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in Tiwanaku culture mummies from Northern Chile, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the Tiwanaku.[13]

As was characteristic of civilizations around this time, the Tiwanaku actively incorporated human sacrifice into their culture. The remains of dismembered bodies have been found throughout the area. Ceramic artifacts depict imagery of warriors, masked with puma skulls, decapitating their enemies and holding trophy skulls, adorned with belts of human heads with their tongues torn out.[12]


Human sacrifice was very common throughtout Mesoamerica and what is now South America. Pretty hideous stuff. The Maya, Aztecs and Inca all engaged in it.


Yep. But they also used hallucinagens a lot which could explain drawings. Not the engineering though.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:23 PM
Its in Peru CL.....Pumka Puntu or something like that I will get ya the name. But I got to split now. Plus there is something on the Dogon and Siruis. ;)


Ah But when you have drawing of animals and man with this other depictions. Then that drawing isnt drawn like a man or a woman. Wonder what it is? Like I stated earlier I would look at all that can be correlated to MS science. Not just take their word for it. Plus they are connected when it comes to things that were being seen in the sky or was flying. Again we know primitive man already knew the differnce between inanimate objects and creatures or insects that could fly. I think that concept is accepted by the MS science.


Yep check my link I've been reading and posting about it. Crazy stuff.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:28 PM
The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 a.d. and researchers are still seeking answers as to why

Doesn't make sense...this advanced and then gone? Completely?


Also

The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience"[12] through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in Tiwanaku culture mummies from Northern Chile, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the Tiwanaku.[13]

As was characteristic of civilizations around this time, the Tiwanaku actively incorporated human sacrifice into their culture. The remains of dismembered bodies have been found throughout the area. Ceramic artifacts depict imagery of warriors, masked with puma skulls, decapitating their enemies and holding trophy skulls, adorned with belts of human heads with their tongues torn out.[12]


Human sacrifice was very common throughtout Mesoamerica and what is now South America. Pretty hideous stuff. The Maya, Aztecs and Inca all engaged in it.


Yep. But they also used hallucinagens a lot which could explain drawings. Not the engineering though.


The drugs could help explain some of the drawings but would help most is if we would jettison our habit of projecting our own ways of thinking onto peoples and cultures far removed from us. Why would the people who created these images need to have been intoxicated? Because we don't understand a piece of art doesn't mean there must be some kind of extraordinary explanation for it.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:30 PM
True but if one believes they would only draw what they saw or experienced then the drugs could explain large parts of it.

MMC
09-27-2011, 01:36 PM
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Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:46 PM
True but if one believes they would only draw what they saw or experienced then the drugs could explain large parts of it.


But there is absolutely no justification for assuming that is the case as the ancient astronauts people do.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:48 PM
Its in Peru CL.....Pumka Puntu or something like that I will get ya the name. But I got to split now. Plus there is something on the Dogon and Siruis. ;)


Ah But when you have drawing of animals and man with this other depictions. Then that drawing isnt drawn like a man or a woman. Wonder what it is? Like I stated earlier I would look at all that can be correlated to MS science. Not just take their word for it. Plus they are connected when it comes to things that were being seen in the sky or was flying. Again we know primitive man already knew the differnce between inanimate objects and creatures or insects that could fly. I think that concept is accepted by the MS science.


Yep check my link I've been reading and posting about it. Crazy stuff.


Like I said D.....I am not just going by the pictures. Or the Writings. Also I am going with what we know with MS science. The UFO Hunters the whole bit. What we know and have been told by these Civilizations. What we know Militarily. What we have in religious writings. Some of these structures were set up astronomically. Some depicting stars that could not be seen with the naked eye. Some with the only way it could have been done is if they had an overhead view. IMO they seem to be connected. moreover there are certain things we know man cannot do as of yet anyways.


I know. You keep racing from one thing to another. One at a time, MMC. Frankly, I think we can now dismiss these theories about the pictures as so much speculation most of it wild and implausible.

Conley
09-27-2011, 01:56 PM
True but if one believes they would only draw what they saw or experienced then the drugs could explain large parts of it.


But there is absolutely no justification for assuming that is the case as the ancient astronauts people do.


I don't agree with it either but even if you grant them that point you can still argue quite convincingly that not everything they 'saw' was real.

Mister D
09-27-2011, 01:59 PM
True but if one believes they would only draw what they saw or experienced then the drugs could explain large parts of it.


But there is absolutely no justification for assuming that is the case as the ancient astronauts people do.


I don't agree with it either but even if you grant them that point you can still argue quite convincingly that not everything they 'saw' was real.


True.

MMC
09-28-2011, 06:09 AM
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MMC
09-28-2011, 06:15 AM
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Conley
09-28-2011, 11:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/bEwRQ.png

The images of the ufos posted above look interesting, but what's up with the man with six arms? That could be anything no? It seems the entire depiction is one of fantasy and not reality. Unless that man with six arms is supposed to represent something else? There's a tail on it too! Basically it reminds me of the drawings elementary school kids make.

Mister D
09-29-2011, 09:24 AM
So, MMC, I was watching Ancient Aliens last night and I had a laugh out loud moment. The guy with the crazy hair was suggesting that ancient cultures were in contact with each other via flying machines usually piloted by ETs. he didn't mention who was piloting them when the ETs were off. This was all based on the observation that some New World motifs and symbols look like the motifs and symbols of the Oriental world. ::)

Conley
09-29-2011, 09:33 AM
:D Crap I missed it again...gonna have to check the TV guide and set the DVR.

Mister D
09-29-2011, 09:52 AM
:D Crap I missed it again...gonna have to check the TV guide and set the DVR.


I think the episode is called "Lost Worlds". I saw it in History International but it's also on demand.

MMC
09-30-2011, 11:34 AM
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MMC
09-30-2011, 11:37 AM
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Mister D
09-30-2011, 11:39 AM
Yeah I saw it D.....like I said I don't go by all that they are stating I look at other possible evidence from other sources.

Did you see the video on the Sunerian Codex? The reason I bring this up. As most know and have been told the Sumerians were the first to write. It is alleged they taught Enoch to write. The other reason is that you can google up all the Archeological Facts that we have known about. Yet you and I when we went to school were never taught anything about it. Other than the Facts of Writing and Law. All the mainstream sciences are aware of what was contained in their writings.

Not one mention anything about those those writings for at least 20yrs after the fact of the initial discovery.

Again there are some things in the Mainstream science that they refused to look at before. Considering right off the top that it came from the psuedo sciences. Until Schock discovered that Chamber underneath the Paw of the Sphyinx. Whom the Egyptians are refusing to allow any type of Exploration into what is there. That would be Mr. Zahi of Egyptian Antiquities and the Egyptian Military.

http://0.tqn.com/d/paranormal/1/7/4/G/antikythera_lg.jpg

A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.


Yet we have this device that was discovered in the 1900's. MS science has no answer. Other than a Compass. How did they make the gears that intricately? Back then?


Easy. It was aliens. Duh. ;D I don;t feel like looking up what "mainstream" has to say but just because you don't know the answer to something doesn't mean ipso facto aliens.

Conley
09-30-2011, 11:44 AM
This thing is pretty cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Mister D
09-30-2011, 11:47 AM
Looks like there is a lively debate in mainstream science.

Conley
09-30-2011, 11:48 AM
Definitely. It is quite a work of art...I don't see anything in the Wikipedia that suggests the technology to create it didn't exist at the time but the craftsmanship and precision seem incredible.

MMC
09-30-2011, 11:49 AM
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Conley
09-30-2011, 11:54 AM
I can't find any confirmation of chambers under the paws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_of_Records

MMC
09-30-2011, 11:57 AM
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MMC
09-30-2011, 12:04 PM
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Mister D
09-30-2011, 12:19 PM
Your right about that but again like I stated with the Sumerians.....we know from their writings that they state the Gods came down from the Sky. They even have writings on what today we would classify as androids. That these androids or artifical life forms helped the gods with their flying Chariots.

We even have SETI sending a Gold Album into space with Sumerian Writings. Do you know why we sent it made of Gold? It was from the Sumerians who stated the Gods came for Gold. Also as NASA can confirm Gold Acts like a Shielding in Space.

http://0.tqn.com/d/paranormal/1/0/s/F/sa_plane2.jpg

With some of these artifacts.....MS science knows it was not man that created such devices on his own. Again with the Sumerians according to their writings man was made as a slave race.


There's the 747 again. ;D

Mister D
09-30-2011, 12:22 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/paranormal/1/7/2/G/baghdad_battery_lg.jpg

Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?


That site in Peru the building of those blocks over 4000 miles above sea level with no Quarries nearby. Drilling minutia holes that go all the way thru those stones could not have been drilled out by sand, quartz, and water. Again they would have had to have diamond drill bits to cut thru diarite stone. There are other sites too.

Moreover MS science has known about the 200 villages that are sitting underneath the Mediterrainian Sea. Where we could not get to them before. But now we are with mini subs to take pics.


Technolgy gets lost, MMC. Greek fire, for example.

Conley
09-30-2011, 12:35 PM
Right. There were dark ages in Ancient Greece and again following the end of the WRE...I don't think it's that strange.

MMC
09-30-2011, 01:04 PM
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Conley
09-30-2011, 01:09 PM
It may have been Sun Dogs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

That woodcarving would have to be an exaggeration though.

Mister D
09-30-2011, 01:31 PM
It may have been Sun Dogs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

That woodcarving would have to be an exaggeration though.


Stands to reason that would freak peopel to even today.

MMC
10-01-2011, 06:05 AM
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MMC
10-01-2011, 06:11 AM
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MMC
10-01-2011, 06:13 AM
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MMC
10-01-2011, 06:16 AM
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Mister D
10-01-2011, 09:02 AM
Ancient aliens, real evidence ! ancient UFO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6g_g5ldHJc#)

Morning My bruthas.....and those of the site.
Pretty cool video.....check it out. We have paintings, drawings, writings, Holy Books, structures and technologies that are as advanced today or some which cannot be duplicated.

Let me ask this of each and everyone of you. What would it take for people to admit that other life is out there and has been coming round this planet Since the beginning of time? What type of evidence would you yourself look for? Other than one actually visually appearing before you. How would you go about trying to discover if there was some sort of evidence to show that they were here? Where would you start? Would you consider any anomalies that MS Science refused to look at or even put a theory to?

What would be the first logical step to take? :-\



Again with the red herrings. Whether life exists elsewhere is moot. It's not the question nor if I answered in the affirmative would it support the hypothesis that ETs have visited or are visiting the Earth.

It would take real physical evidence which the ancient alien theorists try to look for and present. The problem is that it's utterly unconvincing evidence. I've seen nothing that there isn't a more plausible explanation for. As far as what cannot yet be explained I see no reasons to jump to the conclusion that it must have been aliens.

Conley
10-01-2011, 09:15 AM
Physical evidence would do it for me too. Something more than cave drawings. In order for intelligent aliens to visit this planet, they'd have to be so technologically advanced that I don't believe they would just vanish without a trace. Early man did that but now even if every human died tomorrow there'd still be plenty of existence we were around.

What I think is far more likely is that we will discover life outside our own planet (and may have already had alien life arrive here via meteors) which is made up of very simple organisms, single cells like amoebas and the like. There may well be intelligent life out there but the distances are such that they may well rise and fall before ever making contact with another.

Mister D
10-01-2011, 09:18 AM
Physical evidence would do it for me too. Something more than cave drawings. In order for intelligent aliens to visit this planet, they'd have to be so technologically advanced that I don't believe they would just vanish without a trace. Early man did that but now even if every human died tomorrow there'd still be plenty of existence we were around.

What I think is far more likely is that we will discover life outside our own planet (and may have already had alien life arrive here via meteors) which is made up of very simple organisms, single cells like amoebas and the like. There may well be intelligent life out there but the distances are such that they may well rise and fall before ever making contact with another.


Right. It's not like proving a metaphysic. For example, God, goodness, or evil cannot be verified empirically. Alien visitation can and should be. I would expect conclusive physical evidence.

MMC
10-01-2011, 05:19 PM
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jgreer
10-01-2011, 06:01 PM
This is one weird thread.

Conley
10-01-2011, 06:43 PM
This is one weird thread.


Stick around. This is one of the less weird threads. 8)

Mister D
10-01-2011, 06:49 PM
Physical evidence would do it for me too. Something more than cave drawings. In order for intelligent aliens to visit this planet, they'd have to be so technologically advanced that I don't believe they would just vanish without a trace. Early man did that but now even if every human died tomorrow there'd still be plenty of existence we were around.

What I think is far more likely is that we will discover life outside our own planet (and may have already had alien life arrive here via meteors) which is made up of very simple organisms, single cells like amoebas and the like. There may well be intelligent life out there but the distances are such that they may well rise and fall before ever making contact with another.


Right. It's not like proving a metaphysic. For example, God, goodness, or evil cannot be verified empirically. Alien visitation can and should be. I would expect conclusive physical evidence.


Yeah yeah.....what if it has and no one wants to believe what is the logical conclusions. We have Ancient Structures built precisely and set exactly to a certain pattern of stars. we have Ancient Structures built and set to stars not known by the naked eye. we have other structures set up where one would have to have an overhead view inorder to to what they did. Yet we know they had nothing that flew. Except some writings of flying Chariots. Out of the Mid-East. Half the World did not know about the Bagvagita or the Mahabarata from the East. Yet even more descriptions by those trying to logically define what they were seeing.

Hopefully you have seen some of the videos on the archeological info. We then have technology that just does not correlate with the time. At a time when MS science knows what tools and weapons were being used.

So what other physical evidence would you look for? Other than your azzes being snatched up by some aliens. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/olovo/smilies/spacecraft.gif :D >:D


I think much of what I've seen on Ancient Aliens has a more plausible explanation. Furthermore, it also bothers me that some of the more credulous viewers who know nothing of what "mainstream science" has to say will draw conclusions based on pure conjecture.

MMC
10-02-2011, 01:25 AM
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MMC
10-02-2011, 10:03 AM
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MMC
10-02-2011, 10:17 AM
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Conley
10-02-2011, 10:19 AM
Heya they have the Show on today on the History Channel. The first episode today is on Underwater Cities and Worlds. Sept 30 th 2011. ;) :D Good timing. ;)


Huh? Today is Oct 2nd? At least on Planet Earth ;)

MMC
10-02-2011, 10:39 AM
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Mister D
10-02-2011, 08:18 PM
I have a new Ancient Aliens on my On Demand. It's the episode called Evil Places. I don't know why they try to bring aliens into this but the stories were kind of creepy. Apparently, there is a forested area at the base of Mount Fuji where a lot of suicides occur every year.

MMC
10-03-2011, 12:00 AM
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Mister D
10-03-2011, 08:00 AM
I have a new Ancient Aliens on my On Demand. It's the episode called Evil Places. I don't know why they try to bring aliens into this but the stories were kind of creepy. Apparently, there is a forested area at the base of Mount Fuji where a lot of suicides occur every year.


Yeah that was a weird episode. I don't like when they get into the goofiness. Also they have that episode where they try to tie in all the prophecy on the End of Days.

I hate when people bring up Nostradamus. First off he never stated the world was going to end in 2012. Actually Nostradamus states it is like 3793 or 97 when he says the planet will be destroyed.


Their theories are wacky but the stories surrounding the places themselves were kind of cool.

MMC
10-03-2011, 08:00 AM
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she who must be obayed
10-03-2011, 09:59 AM
It's about time this issue was brought foward and into the mainstream.
As one who grew up as a Catholic, I taught to believe in blind faith. Then the question is.
Why should I believe in something based solely in blind faith. And the other question I have is this. If you wanted to a message for the future, where would be the best place to write it be. Well the most permanent place I can think of, is to write on stone.
Also the Bible itself gave this point of view. I degan to read only the words that the Christ figure spoke and things began to jump out at me, in Herods court.Jesus staes tha if you knock down this temple it will be rebuilt in 3 days. So it took them 3 days to repair the broken down body of the Christ figure. There are a few other lines that peaked my attention, like be fruitfull and multiply,why wuold you tell people that unless you are looking for an ample work force when they come back looking for more gold.
You see today we have unlocked many of there secrets, so even if they do return as advanced as they are and as voilent as we have continued to be I believe they will croup the population by 1 third or more, that's how you make people subserviant. Ibelive the earths salvtion is to stop fighting amonst ourselves and devote ourselves to part of the galactic community, you know reach trully reach out not this impotent space program we have now. This is not an insult to NASA, it is a global wake up call, Talk about putting people to work. Is there anybetter cause than that. That can trully unite us as a people. And I will end on this note my birthday is December 21st.

Conley
10-03-2011, 10:05 AM
Welcome she who must be obayed.

Interesting thoughts. Do you still consider yourself a Catholic? The reason I ask is because it sounds like you questioned your faith in terms of religion but also have faith in an alien presence. Is there room for both?

MMC
10-03-2011, 10:11 AM
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Conley
10-03-2011, 10:20 AM
So if Aliens wanted to write a message for the future, would stone really be the way to do it? What about using some super strong metal or something more suited to stand the elements of time? I mean if they have the technology to travel between planets shouldn't they be able to do that? Heck even styrofoam lasts longer. They would have synthetic materials.

Mister D
10-03-2011, 10:21 AM
Welcome to the Rant.....my wife and I got married on Dec 21st. Plus my wife and my youngest son both have B-days in Dec. My wife is a Capricorn by the Zodiac and my youngest is a Sagitarian. ::)

I to started out as a Catholic.....then there was the time I was down south in Georgia and there was this Baptist girl. Southern Belle and I really.....well :o erm ahem cough cough. Ooops another place in time. It was as if I was Thrust into an Alien Environment. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/roflmao.gif ;) O0


Mister D is a sagittarius! :o

Conley
10-03-2011, 10:23 AM
I'm cancerous :'(

MMC
10-03-2011, 10:33 AM
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Mister D
10-03-2011, 10:56 AM
I'm cancerous :'(


I'm a Star Brother. 8)

she who must be obayed
10-05-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm cancerous :'(


I'm a Star Brother. 8)


Yes I have seen the shows, thankyou very much. I will draw my own conclusions if that is okay with you. Star brother!!!....
To Iam cancerious, my heart goes out you even if it is only 70% alive. I don't really care what the Idians and Myans and all the other cultures are saying or that they are now getting attention, I bring my own understanding and yes it does coencide with some points of view.

I was also married to a Black Feet Indian woman years ago. I am very aware of their point of view.

We have been given rules to live by, and from that point of view we as a species have failed to follow those rules. And at some point we will pay for that, you can sum it up in one word. GREED.
The question is then. How do we fix this, try giving me answers instead of attitude.
Try being creative it is in you after all.
Life looks brighter when you know you are dying.

Conley
10-05-2011, 11:57 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "Star Brother" ?

Mister D
10-05-2011, 12:07 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "Star Brother" ?


Apparently, some Native American tribe claims ancestry from what they call the "Star Brothers". Of course it's immediately put forth that star brothers could only refer to aliens. ::)

Conley
10-05-2011, 12:17 PM
Neat idea. Star Brother, I like it.

She who must be obayed, is it not every animal including man that acts with greed?

Are we unique in that respect?

Mister D
10-05-2011, 12:22 PM
In what is this greed demonstarted?

she who must be obayed
10-06-2011, 08:35 AM
Neat idea. Star Brother, I like it.

She who must be obayed, is it not every animal including man that acts with greed?

Are we unique in that respect?


Animals do not understand the concept of greed. They only know survival.

In what is this greed demonstarted?

Are you for real I guess even the clergy can be confussed.
I am not here to hold your hand. They have eyes but they do not see.
when you put profit before people, it only shows me that making money is more important than the well being of people. 1 example is this in 1970 hospitals in the USA become for profit, and look at what health care has become to day.
Ignorance is no excuse. ( I am not here to help you I am here to warn you ).
Read the book of Acts, You are being watched in more ways than one.
And they are a lot closer to us than you trully know.
Remember all they want is raw materials, not us.

Conley
10-06-2011, 08:42 AM
What I mean by greed is that some animals will eat more than they need, kill just to kill, etc. Much like man would. All animals, man included, have base instincts and it really just society and civilization that keeps us from acting on them.

MMC
10-06-2011, 09:05 AM
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she who must be obayed
10-06-2011, 09:12 AM
What I mean by greed is that some animals will eat more than they need, kill just to kill, etc. Much like man would. All animals, man included, have base instincts and it really just society and civilization that keeps us from acting on them.


Desperate people do desperate things. Every great civilization eventually falls and this one is no different. Like I said in previous post we have failed by the rules they left us and we as a society will pay the price. You caqn not buy your way out of this like in the old days when absolution was for sale by the Church. ( taking advantage of some one on their death bed only to make the Church richer)
I don't need you to re-explain what you meant. You asked I answered. If you don't like the answer than give a better one.
And maybe just maybe I know something you all don't. But for that answer you have to wait for December 21st 2012.
When was the last time an animal turned man into slaves?...

Conley
10-06-2011, 09:16 AM
Not slaves exactly, but higher order primates will have alpha males. the lower males protect the women and do work but do not get any of the spoils, so to speak.

Conley
10-06-2011, 09:17 AM
What I mean by greed is that some animals will eat more than they need, kill just to kill, etc. Much like man would. All animals, man included, have base instincts and it really just society and civilization that keeps us from acting on them.


Desperate people do desperate things. Every great civilization eventually falls and this one is no different. Like I said in previous post we have failed by the rules they left us and we as a society will pay the price. You caqn not buy your way out of this like in the old days when absolution was for sale by the Church. ( taking advantage of some one on their death bed only to make the Church richer)
I don't need you to re-explain what you meant. You asked I answered. If you don't like the answer than give a better one.
And maybe just maybe I know something you all don't. But for that answer you have to wait for December 21st 2012.
When was the last time an animal turned man into slaves?...


I am sure you know a lot more about the end times than I do. No argument there.

I also agree that our society is in decline but I believe we can make it better. Maybe you think I'm naive but I still believe.

MMC
10-06-2011, 09:21 AM
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Mister D
10-06-2011, 09:23 AM
http://www.dreamstime.com/cuckoo-thumb7739520.jpg

Conley
10-06-2011, 09:28 AM
The structures in Turkey sound amazing MMC.

I'll go back and check out that video. One thing though, isn't it mainstream science that are dating these things? So how do you decide when to believe mainstream science (the dating) but then in other instances ignore the explanations for observed phenomena, like the sun dogs we discussed earlier?

she who must be obayed
10-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Not slaves exactly, but higher order primates will have alpha males. the lower males protect the women and do work but do not get any of the spoils, so to speak.


Sounds to me like you read Animal Farm to many times.
AS far as the 12,000. years ago ruins goes, if you keep searching you will find even older ruins. Stone can not be carbon dated. Personally I cuold'nt care less how old the ruins are.
From the Oracle of Delphi to the Web Bots or Spyders of today you are being warned, are we listening, Most of your are not, but some of us are.
Arrogance is humanitys demise. Only the educated can ruin simplisity.

she who must be obayed
10-06-2011, 09:31 AM
http://www.dreamstime.com/cuckoo-thumb7739520.jpg

I guess you where looking at yourself , when you made that post.

Conley
10-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Not slaves exactly, but higher order primates will have alpha males. the lower males protect the women and do work but do not get any of the spoils, so to speak.


Sounds to me like you read Animal Farm to many times.
AS far as the 12,000. years ago ruins goes, if you keep searching you will find even older ruins. Stone can not be carbon dated. Personally I cuold'nt care less how old the ruins are.
From the Oracle of Delphi to the Web Bots or Spyders of today you are being warned, are we listening, Most of your are not, but some of us are.
Arrogance is humanitys demise. Only the educated can ruin simplisity.


Will you tell us about the web bots and the spiders?

I always wondered about those.

MMC
10-06-2011, 09:36 AM
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MMC
10-06-2011, 09:41 AM
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she who must be obayed
10-06-2011, 09:49 AM
The structures in Turkey sound amazing MMC.

I'll go back and check out that video. One thing though, isn't it mainstream science that are dating these things? So how do you decide when to believe mainstream science (the dating) but then in other instances ignore the explanations for observed phenomena, like the sun dogs we discussed earlier?


I could not care less about phenomema, and sun dogs.
Why is that important, I see it only this way we where left rules to live by and we failed.
To the coo coo clock. At least I am not the Jaw bone of an ass.
When you die from your cancer at least you won't have to come back, like I have many times. I have never disrespected the clergy, but if you call me a nut one more time I will tear your sorry ass new one in a New York minute.

Conley
10-06-2011, 09:51 AM
I think you have me confused with Mister D.

I have not said anything against you or your beliefs.

MMC
10-06-2011, 10:02 AM
I think you have me confused with Mister D.

I have not said anything against you or your beliefs.


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/olovo/smilies/pillowfight.gif O0 >:D :-*

Conley
10-06-2011, 10:04 AM
:D

Took me a while to realize those were pillows and not vases being slammed on our heads there.

MMC
10-06-2011, 10:22 AM
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Mister D
10-06-2011, 10:35 AM
Great thread for the crazies.

MMC
10-06-2011, 10:49 AM
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Conley
10-06-2011, 10:56 AM
Great thread for the crazies.


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/Cindyville_photo/cindy/tinfoil.gif :P http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/rofl.gif http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/old.gif

Thats what happens when ya gets old. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/grampa.gif :-*

Aint that right Conlette. ::) :D


Who you calling crazy? >:(

MMC
10-06-2011, 11:06 AM
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Conley
10-06-2011, 11:14 AM
Great thread for the crazies.


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/Cindyville_photo/cindy/tinfoil.gif :P http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/rofl.gif http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/old.gif

Thats what happens when ya gets old. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/grampa.gif :-*

Aint that right Conlette. ::) :D


Who you calling crazy? >:(


http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/dontknow.gif Dunno about crazy.....I was going with the Old! http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/old.gif :D


Eh, you are right on both counts.

However, you are only as old and as crazy as you feel, and I am feeling old and crazy!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/Cindyville_photo/cindy/tinfoil.gif + http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/old.gif

Mister D
10-06-2011, 11:16 AM
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/Cindyville_photo/cindy/tinfoil.gif

My first thought is always old school Klansmen giving a speech when I see this GIF. :o :-\

Conley
10-06-2011, 11:18 AM
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/Cindyville_photo/cindy/tinfoil.gif

My first thought is always old school Klansmen giving a speech when I see this GIF. :o :-\


Yeah I thought it was a Viking, with the horns, you know? But it's tin foil. I also thought it was some kind of fan the dude was holding but it's a sat dish. Some of these are real stumpers!

she who must be obayed
10-07-2011, 06:59 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/02/18/history-in-the-remaking.html

Feb 18, 2010 7:00 PM EST A temple complex in Turkey that predates even the pyramids is rewriting the story of human evolution.

They call it potbelly hill, after the soft, round contour of this final lookout in southeastern Turkey. To the north are forested mountains. East of the hill lies the biblical plain of Harran, and to the south is the Syrian border, visible 20 miles away, pointing toward the ancient lands of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, the region that gave rise to human civilization. And under our feet, according to archeologist Klaus Schmidt, are the stones that mark the spot—the exact spot—where humans began that ascent.

Standing on the hill at dawn, overseeing a team of 40 Kurdish diggers, the German-born archeologist waves a hand over his discovery here, a revolution in the story of human origins. Schmidt has uncovered a vast and beautiful temple complex, a structure so ancient that it may be the very first thing human beings ever built. The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape. The ruins are so early that they predate villages, pottery, domesticated animals, and even agriculture—the first embers of civilization. In fact, Schmidt thinks the temple itself, built after the end of the last Ice Age by hunter-gatherers, became that ember—the spark that launched mankind toward farming, urban life, and all that followed.

Göbekli Tepe—the name in Turkish for "potbelly hill"—lays art and religion squarely at the start of that journey. After a dozen years of patient work, Schmidt has uncovered what he thinks is definitive proof that a huge ceremonial site flourished here, a "Rome of the Ice Age," as he puts it, where hunter-gatherers met to build a complex religious community. Across the hill, he has found carved and polished circles of stone, with terrazzo flooring and double benches. All the circles feature massive T-shaped pillars that evoke the monoliths of Easter Island.

Though not as large as Stonehenge—the biggest circle is 30 yards across, the tallest pillars 17 feet high—the ruins are astonishing in number. Last year Schmidt found his third and fourth examples of the temples. Ground-penetrating radar indicates that another 15 to 20 such monumental ruins lie under the surface. Schmidt's German-Turkish team has also uncovered some 50 of the huge pillars, including two found in his most recent dig season that are not just the biggest yet, but, according to carbon dating, are the oldest monumental artworks in the world.

The new discoveries are finally beginning to reshape the slow-moving consensus of archeology. Göbekli Tepe is "unbelievably big and amazing, at a ridiculously early date," according to Ian Hodder, director of Stanford's archeology program. Enthusing over the "huge great stones and fantastic, highly refined art" at Göbekli, Hodder—who has spent decades on rival Neolithic sites—says: "Many people think that it changes everything…It overturns the whole apple cart. All our theories were wrong."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%c3%b6bekli_Tepe

Göbekli Tepe is regarded as an archaeological discovery of the greatest importance since it could profoundly change our understanding of a crucial stage in the development of human societies. It seems that the erection of monumental complexes was within the capacities of hunter-gatherers and not only of sedentary farming communities as had been previously thought. In other words, as excavator Klaus Schmidt puts it: "First came the temple, then the city."[19] This revolutionary hypothesis will have to be supported or modified by future research.

At present, Göbekli Tepe raises more questions for archaeology and prehistory than it answers. We do not know how a force large enough to construct, augment, and maintain such a substantial complex was mobilized and rewarded or fed in the conditions of pre-Neolithic society. We cannot "read" the pictograms, and do not know for certain what meaning the animal reliefs had for visitors to the site; the variety of fauna depicted, from lions and boars to birds and insects, makes any single explanation problematic. As there seems to be little or no evidence of habitation, and the animals depicted on the stones are mainly predators, the stones may have been intended to stave off evils through some form of magic representation; it is also possible that they served as totems.[23] It is not known why more and more walls were added to the interiors while the sanctuary was in use, with the result that some of the engraved pillars were obscured from view. Burial may or may not have occurred at the site. The reason the complex was eventually buried remains unexplained. Until more evidence is gathered, it is difficult to deduce anything certain about the originating culture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/GobeklitepeHeykel.jpg/220px-GobeklitepeHeykel.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Gobekli.jpeg/220px-Gobekli.jpeg

Here ya go D.....some Ancient History For ya. ;)

For ALL the Non-believers! http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/evil6.gif
http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/yepp.gif


And I believe we have run out of time, to little to late.
But there is another way.
Now lets see here is what I have come to believe, and this is not just from shoot from the hip this has taken most of my life to figure out.
WE have all seen the shows or been to the sights.
If we are to believe that we have been contacted then the last recorded contact is the Christ figure, ( I am not here as a religous nut job, my relationship with the Catholics ended in the 6ht grade.). AS I said in a earlier post I finally decided to concentrate on only the words spoken by the Christ Figure. He gives humanity a very stern message.
It's not just the words there is also a numerical code I believe that this code will save anyone who knows it. ( I figured it out, I know the number sequence.).
He gives you clues it is only in the words spoken by the Christ figure. (Notice how I refer to him in the second person.).The first number is 3, there are 3 more numbers 4 in all. I gave you the first, now you have to find the rest. And I have told you where to look. Now it is up to the individual to save his or her own life.
I will give you a little preview of what happens when you are trully dead. You do not go foward untill you have been judged. My Father was the first to kill me he beat me to death several times as a child. (children do not get judged).
He would beat the life out of me and mother would bring me back. This what trully happened, and personally I do not care what anyone else thinks.
But as an adult I have died 5 times, and every time I was sent back because it was not my time. There is no God as you think you believe in,.
I have given you the first number and told where to look, now it is up to you.
The part of us that was geneticlly advanced that created us returns to them when our human body dies. The only piece we are missing to make us more like them is the power supply, we are the right track but we are running out of time. If you let your arrogance decide for you then you are allready dead. I am only the messenger yet you attack me good luck with that, and I hope you make it. And with that I am out of this thread.

Conley
10-07-2011, 07:55 AM
He gives you clues it is only in the words spoken by the Christ figure. (Notice how I refer to him in the second person.).The first number is 3, there are 3 more numbers 4 in all. I gave you the first, now you have to find the rest. And I have told you where to look. Now it is up to the individual to save his or her own life.



3714?

Can we get some more hints?

MMC
10-07-2011, 08:16 AM
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Conley
10-07-2011, 08:27 AM
That's way too many numbers. ::)

MMC
10-07-2011, 08:36 AM
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Conley
10-07-2011, 08:42 AM
That's way too many numbers. ::)


Well truthfully.....theres way to many Jenny's, and for some reason they all have different numbers. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/boobs.gif >:(

Besides Georgio didn't say anything bout Numerology! ;)


I think She Who Must Be Obayed knows more about this stuff than Ol' Georgie Porgie!

Besides he is probably saving his numerology for next season. They can't use up all their material or what will they talk about during the next few years? Although I guess they only expect to be on the air until December 2012? :o

Conley
10-07-2011, 09:00 AM
That's way too many numbers. ::)


Well truthfully.....theres way to many Jenny's, and for some reason they all have different numbers. http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/boobs.gif >:(

Besides Georgio didn't say anything bout Numerology! ;)


I think that Jenny you posted has numbers around 36-24-36...can't see the rest of her so that last number is just a guess.

MMC
10-07-2011, 09:08 AM
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Mister D
10-12-2011, 09:19 PM
I saw a couple episodes this evening. Man, this just gets weirder and weirder. I'll elaborate a bit tomorrow. I'm out.

MMC
10-12-2011, 10:59 PM
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MMC
10-12-2011, 11:52 PM
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Mister D
10-13-2011, 09:48 AM
One guy said that Ancient Alien Theory answers the why, whence and whither of our existence. Indeed, this has a large religious dimension to it.

Conley
10-13-2011, 11:32 AM
One guy said that Ancient Alien Theory answers the why, whence and whither of our existence. Indeed, this has a large religious dimension to it.


I wonder if Georgio or anyone else from the show will try to spin this off into a religion, like L. Ron did.

Mister D
10-13-2011, 11:59 AM
One guy said that Ancient Alien Theory answers the why, whence and whither of our existence. Indeed, this has a large religious dimension to it.


I wonder if Georgio or anyone else from the show will try to spin this off into a religion, like L. Ron did.


It's interesting to me that no matter how much people slam organized religion their religious impulses need to be met. It should come as no surprise that such theories have taken on a clearly religious nature.

MMC
10-13-2011, 05:19 PM
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Mister D
10-13-2011, 07:37 PM
I'm not talking about Native Americans tribes from whenever. I'm talking about the people who are now proposing those theories and the people believing them.

Mister D
10-13-2011, 08:48 PM
That segment about all the suicides around Mount Fuji was disturbing. The theory was ridiculous (portals to another dimension? What? :D) but the details of what happens there was kind of chilling.

MMC
10-13-2011, 11:29 PM
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MMC
10-14-2011, 07:37 AM
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MMC
10-14-2011, 07:44 AM
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MMC
10-14-2011, 07:49 AM
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Mister D
10-14-2011, 08:10 AM
That segment about all the suicides around Mount Fuji was disturbing. The theory was ridiculous (portals to another dimension? What? :D) but the details of what happens there was kind of chilling.


Yeah it is. Same with the Forest of Suicides. Even the Mountain of Death in Russia.

Again There are just way to many civilizations that have some sort of drawings and or references to the Gods that came down out of the sky.


Again what? You are making a huge leap when y claim they are ETs.

Mister D
10-14-2011, 08:12 AM
Now ETs built the underground tunnels in Anatolia! :o ;D

MMC
10-14-2011, 09:03 AM
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Mister D
10-14-2011, 09:07 AM
That segment about all the suicides around Mount Fuji was disturbing. The theory was ridiculous (portals to another dimension? What? :D) but the details of what happens there was kind of chilling.


Yeah it is. Same with the Forest of Suicides. Even the Mountain of Death in Russia.

Again There are just way to many civilizations that have some sort of drawings and or references to the Gods that came down out of the sky.


Again what? You are making a huge leap when y claim they are ETs.


Yeah but I think the huger leap was when all considered them Gods. The leap is not that big for ET's. Yet we have many of them saying the Gods did this or the Gods did that.

Again we have diffeent civilizations with drawings, carvings, pictures they drew of themselves and other people. Animals, bugs etc etc. Yet at the same time we have them all drawing some form of other beings. Which does not look like them nor those tribes around them.. Some of they state they are the Gods.

Also we have descriptions of flying inanimate objects at a time when nothing flew. but winged creatures.

Think about it. How would you approach any of it. Obviously you would use logic and reason. Rule out made up stories. Then you would start to piece together anything that would correlate to your discovery. Start connecting the dots. IMO it seems MS science has never tried to. Each to their own glory.....so to speak. Still there are sightings of things that cannot be identified. Throughout history there are writings from military Commanders that have seen strange things. Military men, religious men, even great thinkers.

We have technologies that are not appropriate for their times. We have the settings of structures to astrological alignments that none could have seen by the naked eye. We are finding older civilizations than what was known before. We are also watching 21st century man do a 180 on the possibility of life elsewheres out there. Moreover now actively searching for it. Any means of it.

Althought IMO I don't know if this is a good thing to do or not. Us finding them. Especially if some of them have known about us from the begining. :-\


You think it's a leap that ancient man believed in gods?

Yes, people have seen things they can't explain. There are incidents in the past that we don;t yet have an explanation for. So what?

why do you keep saying we've done a 180 on life elsewhere?

Mister D
10-14-2011, 09:11 AM
This is my problem with ET theories. They point out something unexplained and then say is it possible that it was the work of ETs. Sure. It's also possible that my life is but a dream. They then proceed to lay down a theory grounded in thin air.

MMC
10-14-2011, 09:57 AM
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Mister D
10-14-2011, 10:03 AM
This is my problem with ET theories. They point out something unexplained and then say is it possible that it was the work of ETs. Sure. It's also possible that my life is but a dream. They then proceed to lay down a theory grounded in thin air.


Again where would you like the theory to start from. As far as the 180 we use to believe we were the shit. The only Shit. The Special Shit. The one of kind Shit. That there was no other shit. Thats from Religion to Science to the Military.

While I agree with you in some respects you seem to think that none of this would point to ET's and or Superior beings than humans. Again I would not accept someone who has technology and more advanced weapons than my people as some God.

Moreover NASA never used to worry about looking for life elsewhere. Now they are. Again don't just go by what I am saying. There are somethings that are MS that would point to this theory. So far I have only put up a few things.

As with this Underground City. See Archeologists have known for some time that it was created and built by the Hittites and where they generally puts the time span.

Think primitive man could fly? Think he could build a chariot with wheels and make it fly? Do you actually think they could build a structure to a set pattern of stars that they could not see with the naked eye?


It's really nothing more than a hypothesis.

Who used to believe this? The RCC, for example, never had a position on ETs. It's still an unknown and there is zero evidence suggesting that aliens are visiting Earth.

It's not that I think an ET connection is impossible. Anything is possible but there isn't a good reason to offer ETs as the explanation for any of these things.

Mister D
10-14-2011, 10:04 AM
Furthermore, because you refuse to accept what "MSS" has to say does not mean it was aliens.

MMC
10-14-2011, 10:31 AM
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Conley
10-16-2011, 10:43 AM
Has there been an episode on this yet?

The Portal - The Hessdalen Lights Phenomenon - FULL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNObDdZPsY8#ws&wadsworth=1)

MMC
10-16-2011, 11:17 AM
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Conley
10-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Has there been an episode on this yet?

The Portal - The Hessdalen Lights Phenomenon - FULL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNObDdZPsY8#ws&wadsworth=1)


Thats 47 mins long bro.....http://politirant.com/Smileys/oldrant/dontknow.gif


Just watch the first five minutes ;D then if you like it you can come back to it. Pretty interesting stuff.

Conley
10-18-2011, 11:58 PM
Sumerians are responsible for base 60 math, the foundation of our measures of time and degrees.

8)

MMC
10-19-2011, 12:30 AM
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Conley
10-19-2011, 08:18 AM
Sumerians are responsible for base 60 math, the foundation of our measures of time and degrees.

8)


What do you mean by degrees. I thought that was done by the Phonecians.


I could be wrong, everything I've learned about it is from the internet ;D

I meant degrees as in degrees of a circle, angle, etc.

Only two symbols (Babylonian 1.svg to count units and Babylonian 10.svg to count tens) were used to notate the 59 non-zero digits. These symbols and their values were combined to form a digit in a sign-value notation way similar to that of Roman numerals; for example, the combination Babylonian 20.svgBabylonian 3.svg represented the digit for 23 (see table of digits below). A space was left to indicate a place without value, similar to the modern-day zero. Babylonians later devised a sign to represent this empty place. They lacked a symbol to serve the function of radix point, so the place of the units had to be inferred from context : Babylonian 20.svgBabylonian 3.svg could have represented 23 or 23×60 or 23×60×60 or 23/60, etc.

Their system clearly used internal decimal to represent digits, but it was not really a mixed-radix system of bases 10 and 6, since the ten sub-base was used merely to facilitate the representation of the large set of digits needed, while the place-values in a digit string were consistently 60-based and the arithmetic needed to work with these digit strings was correspondingly sexagesimal.

The legacy of sexagesimal still survives to this day, in the form of degrees (360° in a circle or 60° in an angle of an equilateral triangle), minutes, and seconds in trigonometry and the measurement of time, although both of these systems are actually mixed radix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_numerals

These were some bad azz mofos :o

Mister D
10-21-2011, 07:20 PM
Ancient Aliens is on History International now. Looks like 4-5 episodes in a row.

Conley
10-21-2011, 07:23 PM
:D :D :D

DVR: Recording!!

Thanks for the heads up, this will be fun...having a few beers too. AC's favorite, Sierra Nevada ;D

Conley
10-21-2011, 07:27 PM
H2? Didn't even know I got this channel, had to flip the dial and then some. So this one is about floods according to the guide? Right now it's commercials >:(

Mister D
10-21-2011, 07:31 PM
:D :D :D

DVR: Recording!!

Thanks for the heads up, this will be fun...having a few beers too. AC's favorite, Sierra Nevada ;D


We could probably find him and invite him back but I'm not sure we're that desperate. ;)

Yeah, I'll probably fall asleep listening to this tonight. They will replay the whole series of episodes again around 10 or 11. I don't know why I like this show so much. It's so whacked out and patently ridiculous at times.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 07:31 PM
H2? Didn't even know I got this channel, had to flip the dial and then some. So this one is about floods according to the guide? Right now it's commercials >:(


Commercials caused by ET visitation... ;)

Conley
10-21-2011, 07:32 PM
WTF ;D

DaVinci received telepathic signals from Aliens :roflmao:

BTW I would trust aliens more than I would Italians, just sayin

Those are a sketchy people :D :D :D

Georgio's hair does not impress me in this episode either. :'(

Conley
10-21-2011, 07:34 PM
Einstein Von Braun and Oppenheimer too.

These aliens get around!

Mister D
10-21-2011, 07:53 PM
WTF ;D

DaVinci received telepathic signals from Aliens :roflmao:

BTW I would trust aliens more than I would Italians, just sayin

Those are a sketchy people :D :D :D

Georgio's hair does not impress me in this episode either. :'(


LOL! ;D

Yeah, this is a bizarre episode but most of them are. ;D

Conley
10-21-2011, 07:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Ted Turner may have been behind this! I am having a ball :D

Mister D
10-21-2011, 07:59 PM
I think MMC may have been probed. Just sayin'... :-\ :-X

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:00 PM
Giorgio done lost his fucking mind in this one. :o

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:01 PM
I think MMC may have been probed. Just sayin'... :-\ :-X


They were talking about the Anazaki before...reminded me of what he had posted before. MMC may be a conduit. ;D

Oh wow the aliens were behind the Nazis - coming up next!

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Now the Nazi connection... ::)

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:02 PM
Giorgio done lost his fucking mind in this one. :o


:D

I want to get on this show. It can't be that hard.

I want to like Georgio but his speaking style bugs the crap out of me. I think it's the random lengthy pausing between words.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:02 PM
I think MMC may have been probed. Just sayin'... :-\ :-X


They were talking about the Anazaki before...reminded me of what he had posted before. MMC may be a conduit. ;D

Oh wow the aliens were behind the Nazis - coming up next!


Yeah, he's the first thing I thought of when they mentioned it. ;D

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Now the Nazi connection... ::)


Germans good at machinery? ALIENS.

O0

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:04 PM
I think MMC may have been probed. Just sayin'... :-\ :-X


They were talking about the Anazaki before...reminded me of what he had posted before. MMC may be a conduit. ;D

Oh wow the aliens were behind the Nazis - coming up next!


Yeah, he's the first thing I thought of when they mentioned it. ;D


:roflmao:

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:04 PM
Giorgio done lost his fucking mind in this one. :o


:D

I want to get on this show. It can't be that hard.

I want to like Georgio but his speaking style bugs the crap out of me. I think it's the random lengthy pausing between words.


Yeah right? Just start your blog about UFOs and you'll be an instant expert. You might have wear some kind of weird wig though. I thin it's a requirement. :-\

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:05 PM
Now the Nazi connection... ::)


Germans good at machinery? ALIENS.

O0


If those yuppies in their BMWs only knew! :o

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:07 PM
:D Yeah I should start blogging. I've always wanted a funky haircut and this would be the justification. Not sure about a wig but I can definitely do a skullet :D

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:08 PM
:D Just because you have a Euro accent doesn't make you sane. This stuff is wild!

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:19 PM
This Childress guy really annoys me for some reason.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:20 PM
:D Just because you have a Euro accent doesn't make you sane. This stuff is wild!


:D But what if he wrote a book about ETs?

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:29 PM
:D Just because you have a Euro accent doesn't make you sane. This stuff is wild!


:D But what if he wrote a book about ETs?


Anyone can write a book! Or a blog ;D

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:30 PM
My title could be "Author / Folklorist" - I saw that for one dude. You could say that about anyone. :D

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:38 PM
My title could be "Author / Folklorist" - I saw that for one dude. You could say that about anyone. :D


Yeah, the intros are ridiculous. These guys are nobodies. ::) That one guy who was talking about the ark was the real deal though. He's a serious Biblical scholar/archaeologist. I hope he knew what all these interviews were going to be used for... ;D

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:44 PM
The Nazis were working on a time machine? ??? ::)

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:45 PM
My title could be "Author / Folklorist" - I saw that for one dude. You could say that about anyone. :D


Yeah, the intros are ridiculous. These guys are nobodies. ::) That one guy who was talking about the ark was the real deal though. He's a serious Biblical scholar/archaeologist. I hope he knew what all these interviews were going to be used for... ;D


Yeah I wondered about that. Some seem like real scientists and some well...they're folklorists :D

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:47 PM
The Nazis were working on a time machine? ??? ::)


Duh. :D The Nazis and the Aliens were in cahoots, designing their 'Vunderveapon".

Too bad for them the U.S. came up with nukes. Suck it bitches.

Also that Maria Orsich is hot as all heck. :o :o :o

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:48 PM
My title could be "Author / Folklorist" - I saw that for one dude. You could say that about anyone. :D


Yeah, the intros are ridiculous. These guys are nobodies. ::) That one guy who was talking about the ark was the real deal though. He's a serious Biblical scholar/archaeologist. I hope he knew what all these interviews were going to be used for... ;D


Yeah I wondered about that. Some seem like real scientists and some well...they're folklorists :D


This has ruined the term "folklorist" for me. >:( You think of Brothers Grimm and guys like that and now...these people. ::)

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:50 PM
Yeah I don't mean to disparage real ones. It's just that these guys grow their hair out say crazy things and have bug eyes.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:51 PM
The Nazis were working on a time machine? ??? ::)


Duh. :D The Nazis and the Aliens were in cahoots, designing their 'Vunderveapon".

Too bad for them the U.S. came up with nukes. Suck it bitches.

Also that Maria Orsich is hot as all heck. :o :o :o


Nazi babes are hot, dude. ;D

I didn't even know they had a WW2 episode. Is their nothing that they won't claim is the result of ET visitation?

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:52 PM
Hottest Nazi EVER

;D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--dN7gLgf3sQ/Tm5COI6CbJI/AAAAAAAADQ4/46pa8nF5Fjk/s1600/+Maria+Orsitsch+-+Vril+-+Thule+Gesellschaft+-+Occult+History+Third+Reich+-+Peter+Crawford.jpg

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:53 PM
Oh, here we go. Aliens gave us the nukes. I should have known this was coming.

:D

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:54 PM
Hottest Nazi EVER

;D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--dN7gLgf3sQ/Tm5COI6CbJI/AAAAAAAADQ4/46pa8nF5Fjk/s1600/+Maria+Orsitsch+-+Vril+-+Thule+Gesellschaft+-+Occult+History+Third+Reich+-+Peter+Crawford.jpg


Wow. I hope my genes are good enough that she'd let me impregnate her. ???

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:56 PM
:D :D :D

I wonder if Hitler touched the heinie.

So how did Hitler justify his own lack of Aryanness while promoting the whole blue eyed blonde thing?

Conley
10-21-2011, 08:58 PM
I googled her and ended up on Stormfront without realizing :D :D

Mister D
10-21-2011, 08:59 PM
:D :D :D

I wonder if Hitler touched the heinie.

So how did Hitler justify his own lack of Aryanness while promoting the whole blue eyed blonde thing?


Hitler actually wasn't really that into this stuff. The real kooky Aryan and pagan/occult shit was Heinrich Himmler's forte. Hitler had even called it "muck" at one point.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 09:00 PM
I googled her and ended up on Stormfront without realizing :D :D


Been there. Done that. :D

Conley
10-21-2011, 09:00 PM
Really? Wow. I thought that was his deal. Seemed weird to me since he had dark hair and eyes.

Mister D
10-21-2011, 09:03 PM
Really? Wow. I thought that was his deal. Seemed weird to me since he had dark hair and eyes.


Obviously, he saw the history of the world very much in terms of race but the really weird blond blued eyed stuff was more popular in Himmler's circle of kooks.