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Chris
04-17-2017, 12:27 PM
Pew points to (http://www.people-press.org/2016/06/22/partisanship-and-political-animosity-in-2016/) the highest degree of animosity among partisans.

D'Amato, in Both Sides of the Aisle Are Degenerating into Authoritarianism (https://fee.org/articles/both-side-of-the-aisle-are-degenerating-into-authoritarianism/), offers a counterintuitive insight:


But the conspicuousness of America’s political polarization belies a counterintuitive insight: the belligerents of the nation’s social and political war are actually very much alike. Culturally and aesthetically, the groups appear quite different, yet their political philosophies share a common heritage, rooted in the anti-Enlightenment ideas of the first half of the twentieth century.

Classical liberalism has been sidelined because...


Gripped by reductionist groupthink, a toxin generated by the United States’ acrid culture-war politics, left and right are moving–regressing, in fact–toward their most crudely authoritarian incarnations. Their declension recalls the totalitarian communist and fascist ideologies of the early twentieth century.

The authoritarianism has Hegelian roots in "idea that the state precedes the individual in importance....the organic state, the state as 'the Divine Idea' and source of the individual’s 'spiritual reality.'"

It harkens back historically too too...


At present, group identity and its insignia are an all-consuming obsession of both the left and the right, just as they were of the fascists and communists who marched in the streets, eager to spill each other’s blood. Both sides carry and carefully guard the kind of sustained righteous indignation that comes with certainty of the religious kind.

That kind of certainty is dangerous to a free society; once it takes hold, the virtues of the Cause, held beyond any doubt, seem to excuse any crime committed in their pursuit. Orders must be followed because the ends justify the means.

Yet "A free and open society requires the round rejection of both left and right flavors of failed twentieth-century authoritarianism, the restoration of the classical liberal ideas that transformed the world and yet were never given their due."

Scrounger
04-18-2017, 06:43 AM
Pew points to (http://www.people-press.org/2016/06/22/partisanship-and-political-animosity-in-2016/) the highest degree of animosity among partisans.

D'Amato, in Both Sides of the Aisle Are Degenerating into Authoritarianism (https://fee.org/articles/both-side-of-the-aisle-are-degenerating-into-authoritarianism/), offers a counterintuitive insight:



Classical liberalism has been sidelined because...



The authoritarianism has Hegelian roots in "idea that the state precedes the individual in importance....the organic state, the state as 'the Divine Idea' and source of the individual’s 'spiritual reality.'"

It harkens back historically too too...



Yet "A free and open society requires the round rejection of both left and right flavors of failed twentieth-century authoritarianism, the restoration of the classical liberal ideas that transformed the world and yet were never given their due."
The only thing I've said differently is that America should follow the path that was so carefully laid out by the founding fathers. Other than that, I've been talking about the authoritarianism and discussed Hegelian Dialectics at some great length.

Norman Thomas is reputed to have stated:

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”

Of course, in modern times the Internet gods claim the quote is false because they cannot find a source in their Internet Bible. But, OTOH, it appears to me that those words spoken in 1927 or 1944 (depending upon who is doing the quoting) came to fruition. The liberals do admit that the Democrats got the Socialist Security idea from the Socialist Party Platform. So, I equate liberalism with socialism and tend to look at the political scenery through the eyes of the founding fathers and stick with constitutional principles.

Common
04-18-2017, 08:03 AM
I agree chris and its not going to get better soon.

Chris
04-18-2017, 08:06 AM
It will get better because highly centralized authoritarian government is too costly. The bigger it gets the smaller the return on invesment--see Laffer Curve.

Peter1469
04-18-2017, 09:57 AM
Politics in the US has moved away from the liberal conservative debate.

It is now nationalism v. globalism. That unfortunately shuts out fiscal conservativism.


Pew points to (http://www.people-press.org/2016/06/22/partisanship-and-political-animosity-in-2016/) the highest degree of animosity among partisans.

D'Amato, in Both Sides of the Aisle Are Degenerating into Authoritarianism (https://fee.org/articles/both-side-of-the-aisle-are-degenerating-into-authoritarianism/), offers a counterintuitive insight:



Classical liberalism has been sidelined because...



The authoritarianism has Hegelian roots in "idea that the state precedes the individual in importance....the organic state, the state as 'the Divine Idea' and source of the individual’s 'spiritual reality.'"

It harkens back historically too too...



Yet "A free and open society requires the round rejection of both left and right flavors of failed twentieth-century authoritarianism, the restoration of the classical liberal ideas that transformed the world and yet were never given their due."

MisterVeritis
04-18-2017, 09:59 AM
I agree chris and its not going to get better soon.
This points to the need for an Article V convention of States to propose amendments to the Constitution.

Scrounger
04-18-2017, 10:11 AM
Politics in the US has moved away from the liberal conservative debate.

It is now nationalism v. globalism. That unfortunately shuts out fiscal conservativism.

Both nationalism and globalism are costly propositions. And, the equation got even murkier when people started calling themselves "fiscal conservatives - social liberals." WTH? It takes a lot of money to enforce social liberalism.

It was the Republicans who pushed the income tax and it was Democrats that wanted to waste millions of lives in World War I forward in some silly effort to bring America under the control of a One World Government. Republicans have wasted TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of your tax dollars and the Democrats have used that money to create a socialized democracy in America. I'm watching both sides. Oooops - all those sides.

Peter1469
04-18-2017, 10:31 AM
Both nationalism and globalism are costly propositions.

A simple truth.




And, the equation got even murkier when people started calling themselves "fiscal conservatives - social liberals." WTH? It takes a lot of money to enforce social liberalism.

A fit, perhaps out of frustration.


It was the Republicans who pushed the income tax and it was Democrats that wanted to waste millions of lives in World War I forward in some silly effort to bring America under the control of a One World Government. Republicans have wasted TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of your tax dollars and the Democrats have used that money to create a socialized democracy in America. I'm watching both sides. Oooops - all those sides.

Hint: the two parties are really two sides of the same coin. They are Exploiting us.

decedent
04-18-2017, 01:24 PM
Politics in the US has moved away from the liberal conservative debate.

It is now nationalism v. globalism.

No, that's just you.

Chris
04-18-2017, 01:34 PM
No, that's just you.

What, was Hillary a nationalist?

Certainly wasn't a libertarian localist.

Peter1469
04-18-2017, 01:48 PM
No, that's just you.


lol

public school education?