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shaarona
11-25-2012, 10:35 AM
This supports the studies done by Shlomo Sands.

Palestinians are descended from first century Jews.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPRgXAYTQlU&feature=player_embedded

Peter1469
11-25-2012, 10:39 AM
Semitic people include:

Arabs (http://thepoliticalforums.com/EBchecked/topic/31348/Arab), Akkadians, Canaanites, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean (http://thepoliticalforums.com/EBchecked/topic/32018/Aramaean) tribes including Hebrews.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/534157/Semite

shaarona
11-25-2012, 10:41 AM
Semitic people include:

Arabs (http://thepoliticalforums.com/EBchecked/topic/31348/Arab), Akkadians, Canaanites, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean (http://thepoliticalforums.com/EBchecked/topic/32018/Aramaean) tribes including Hebrews.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/534157/Semite

Yes. I am aware of that..

But, even Ben Gurion said that the Palestinians were descended from first century Jewish farmers who didn't leave.

Mister D
11-25-2012, 11:10 AM
Shlomo Sand is a communist and "the studies" referred to are politically motivated trash.

And historian Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People (http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward. Such notions, however, clash with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots. In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations.


http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html

shaarona
11-25-2012, 11:15 AM
Shlomo Sand is a communist and "the studies" referred to are politically motivated trash.

And historian Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People (http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward. Such notions, however, clash with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots. In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations.


http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html

Come now... Jewish scholars have known for a long time about the Berbers who converted and warrior Queen Kadima.. They have known about the Jewish garrisons on Elephantine.. They knew about the huge Jewish population in Alexandria long before the birth of Christ.

As I said even Ben Gurion knew the Palestinians were descended from first century Jews.

If the truth troubles you do you automatically call someone a "communist"?

Mister D
11-25-2012, 11:24 AM
Come now... Jewish scholars have known for a long time about the Berbers who converted and warrior Queen Kadima.. They have known about the Jewish garrisons on Elephantine.. They knew about the huge Jewish population in Alexandria long before the birth of Christ.

As I said even Ben Gurion knew the Palestinians were descended from first century Jews.

If the truth troubles you do you automatically call someone a "communist"?

Shlomo Sand is a communist and "the studies" referred to are politically motivated trash. I say it because it's true. His work is a lot like your posting on biblical history (i.e. politically motivated trash). :smiley:

Weren't you telling us about the million Jews in in Alexandria? :grin:

Mister D
11-25-2012, 11:25 AM
And historian Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People (http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward. Such notions, however, clash with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots. In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations.


http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceno...ewishness.html (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html)

shaarona
11-25-2012, 11:59 AM
Shlomo Sand is a communist and "the studies" referred to are politically motivated trash. I say it because it's true. His work is a lot like your posting on biblical history (i.e. politically motivated trash). :smiley:

Weren't you telling us about the million Jews in in Alexandria? :grin:

Jews also share genetic markers with the Palestinians.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/jewsinegypt.htm

Jews of Egypt

http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Places/District/419710

Alexandria's Jewish quarter

http://www.livius.org/jo-jz/julius/pogrom.html

Progrom in Alexandria 68 AD

Up until the 10th century, 90% of the Jews in the world lived in what are now Arab countries. But perhaps no place had as distinctive and rich a Jewish legacy as Alexandria. From the time the city was founded more than 2,300 years ago by Alexander the Great until 40 years ago, Jews played a prominent role in establishing it as a center of culture and enlightenment.
In ancient times, a third of its population was Jewish, and for centuries it served as the birthplace and home of many of the religion's leading thinkers, writers and poets. Philo, the first Jewish philosopher, was from Alexandria; the 12th-century sage Maimonides lived and wrote here for a time.
Until the second half of the 20th century, as many as 40,000 Jews lived in Alexandria in a prosperous cosmopolitan community that, though not integrated with the Muslim population, lived peaceably with it. They set up hospitals, schools, homes for the aged and charity programs, and they ran many of the city's successful businesses. Even today, although ramshackle and rundown, the grand department stores still bear the names of their Jewish founders: Cicurel, Benizon, Chamla.

Mister D
11-25-2012, 12:05 PM
Gee, no shit? They're both Semitic! :laugh:


And historian Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People (http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward. Such notions, however, clash with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots. In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations.


http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceno...ewishness.html (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html)

shaarona
11-25-2012, 12:07 PM
Speaking of the large Jewish population in Egypt, Philo says that Alexandria "had two classes of inhabitants, our own nation and the people of the country, and that the whole of Egypt was inhabited in the same manner, and that Jews who inhabited Alexandria and the rest of the country from the Catabathmos on the side of Libya to the boundaries of Ethiopia were not less than a million of men."

Regarding the large proportion of Jews in Alexandria, he writes, "There are five districts in the city, named after the first five letters of the written alphabet, of these two are called the quarters of the Jews, because the chief portion of the Jews lives in them."

httphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo)

Mister D
11-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Sigh...

Do you think Philo counted them? There were not even close to a million people in Alexandria let alone Jews. :laugh:

shaarona
11-25-2012, 12:17 PM
Sigh...

Do you think Philo counted them? There were not even close to a million people in Alexandria let alone Jews. :laugh:

Actually he says in "Egypt" not Alexandria.

Fact remains.. there were large Jewish populations in Rome, Damascus, Anatolia and all around the Mediterranean long before the birth of Christ.

Mister D
11-25-2012, 12:27 PM
That would mean that about a seventh of the population was Jewish. Really, Philo? :laugh:

So what?

shaarona
11-25-2012, 12:36 PM
That would mean that about a seventh of the population was Jewish. Really, Philo? :laugh:

So what?

The Egypt of the Exodus only had a population of around 4 million people..

Mister D
11-25-2012, 12:38 PM
The Egypt of the Exodus only had a population of around 4 million people..

I had turkey for dinner last night.