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midcan5
10-28-2017, 06:17 AM
"Reading, and reading widely, is for me the great means of expanding my being. It is in reading that I have learned all I know about thinking." Alan Jacobs

When everything is a lie or fake, where does the sane person turn. There are actually several media sources worth your time today. On TV, 'Deadline: White House', with Nicole Wallace and 'the Beat' with Ari Melber are both worth a listen or a DVR. In print, The New York Times and Washington Post still make sense, I especially like Kathleen Parker of Washpo, and Bret Stephens of the NYT. Jonathan Swan of Axios is often on target, in two words he defined Trump's appeal as 'emotional sustenance'. Of course Trump only cares about Trump. See my thread the 'Emasculated American' too.

And while there are many excellent media sources one has to ask so what? Democrats, liberals and progressives appear unable to understand the power of social memes. As noted in my thread 'Dog Whistle Politics' the right knows how to spread the word. There are several links below for the educated reader. Information is power an helps you think too.

On the web:

https://www.vox.com
http://theweek.com/
https://www.propublica.org and https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/task-force
https://www.commondreams.org
https://www.brookings.edu
https://qz.com

Also of broader interest: https://aeon.co

Conservative sites such as Breitbart, The Federalist, Drudge Report, Townhall, the American Thinker, and Newsmax among others are 'dark money' funded ideology for their followers. Their goal while not always dishonest is often slanted when it isn't total BS as defined by Harry Frankfurt. Anyone every check Breitbart comments? So much whining, so many comments, you seriously have to wonder at the number and the repeated finger pointing. Is it for real or is it feeding some beast? One conservative site that often gets it right is 'the American Conservative'. http://www.theamericanconservative.com

"What if the right-wing media wins? Conservative critics of the press want more than just a louder voice. They want The New York Times and The Washington Post to go away." https://www.cjr.org/special_report/right-wing-media-breitbart-fox-bannon-carlson-hannity-coulter-trump.php

Fox isn't news, I wish there were a better word for whatever it is they think they are doing. They are still bamboozling their fan base with Hillary's emails and Uranium, and from this old news covered and covered and covered they come to grand conspiratorial conclusions, I love the strained faces they make when reporting, almost like they have gas. Constipation has a news face, Fox. They and Trump are the 'emotional sustenance' for the aggrieved who haven't figured out yet they are being played by 'dark money'.

For checks on fake news and even political positions see these sites.
https://www.snopes.com
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.politifact.com/
https://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

OP Examples:
Bret: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/opinion/the-happy-hooker-conservatives.html
Jonathan: https://www.axios.com/million-dollar-tax-bracket-trump-2501439805.html
Kathleen: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-saying-sgt-la-david-johnsons-name-is-so-important/2017/10/24/52fafda8-b8f6-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

"(A) nation in which 87 percent of eighteen - to twenty-four year olds (according to a 2002 National Geographic Society/Roper Poll survey) cannot locate Iran or Iraq on a world map and 11 percent cannot locate the United States (!) is not merely “intellectually sluggish.” It would be more accurate to call it moronic, capable of being fooled into believing anything …” Morris Berman or

A few books, you know books, those paper things for the reader willing to challenge themselves. Wanna understand America today, read them.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30724304-the-making-of-donald-trump
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny

"Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state." Adolf Hitler

"We live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups. I ask, in my writing, 'What is real?' Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms." Philip K. Dick

Chris
10-28-2017, 07:46 AM
So you advise turning to anti-Trumpism sources?

midcan5
11-06-2017, 09:26 AM
While there is lots of good stuff in OP I wanted to add to this thread various pieces that are thoughtful and maybe even helpful. Below is one of my favorite contemporary writers. Check her books too.

This one is for the women but men could learn too. It helps explain why we have a total incompetent as President. Even in our presumably advanced nation, our culture for women is often as backward as a third world nation.

"Yes, guys like this pick on other men’s books too, and people of both genders pop up at events to hold forth on irrelevant things and conspiracy theories, but the out-and-out confrontational confidence of the totally ignorant is, in my experience, gendered. Men explain things to me, and other women, whether or not they know what they’re talking about. Some men." https://www.guernicamag.com/rebecca-solnit-men-explain-things-to-me/

Money money money: This site looks interesting too.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/

https://www.icij.org/about/ (https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/https://www.icij.org/about/)



“The odd American idea that giving money to political campaigns [or media] is free speech means that the very rich have far more free speech, and so in effect far more voting power, than other citizens.” Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

midcan5
11-16-2017, 09:31 AM
Make sure you check the money link above. More info below for the student of our times. Rosen is excellent.

The Center for Media and Democracy https://www.prwatch.org/cmd

Prospects for the American press under Trump: http://pressthink.org/2016/12/winter-coming-prospects-american-press-trump/

Tough stuff, read with care. http://morrisberman.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-final-act.html

Tahuyaman
11-16-2017, 02:34 PM
So you advise turning to anti-Trumpism sources?
He's advocating turning to highly partisan sources for objective and non partisan news reporting.

midcan5
11-18-2017, 07:46 AM
He's advocating turning to highly partisan sources for objective and non partisan news reporting.

Proof? You know what the DI said about opinions. Goering was on to something.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/opinion/were-with-stupid.html



"Education is dangerous - every educated person is a future enemy." Hermann Goering

Chris
11-18-2017, 07:48 AM
Proof? You know what the DI said about opinions. Goering was on to something.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/opinion/were-with-stupid.html



"Education is dangerous - every educated person is a future enemy." Hermann Goering



Isn't that^^ an opinion?

gamewell45
11-18-2017, 08:25 AM
So you advise turning to anti-Trumpism sources?

Eve though the question was directed at another poster, I thought I'd chime in and say that I would suggest people tune to the news source they that find suits their political leanings whether it's pro-Trump or anti-Trump.

Captdon
11-18-2017, 11:29 AM
"Reading, and reading widely, is for me the great means of expanding my being. It is in reading that I have learned all I know about thinking." Alan Jacobs

When everything is a lie or fake, where does the sane person turn. There are actually several media sources worth your time today. On TV, 'Deadline: White House', with Nicole Wallace and 'the Beat' with Ari Melber are both worth a listen or a DVR. In print, The New York Times and Washington Post still make sense, I especially like Kathleen Parker of Washpo, and Bret Stephens of the NYT. Jonathan Swan of Axios is often on target, in two words he defined Trump's appeal as 'emotional sustenance'. Of course Trump only cares about Trump. See my thread the 'Emasculated American' too.

And while there are many excellent media sources one has to ask so what? Democrats, liberals and progressives appear unable to understand the power of social memes. As noted in my thread 'Dog Whistle Politics' the right knows how to spread the word. There are several links below for the educated reader. Information is power an helps you think too.

On the web:

https://www.vox.com
http://theweek.com/
https://www.propublica.org and https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/task-force
https://www.commondreams.org
https://www.brookings.edu
https://qz.com

Also of broader interest: https://aeon.co

Conservative sites such as Breitbart, The Federalist, Drudge Report, Townhall, the American Thinker, and Newsmax among others are 'dark money' funded ideology for their followers. Their goal while not always dishonest is often slanted when it isn't total BS as defined by Harry Frankfurt. Anyone every check Breitbart comments? So much whining, so many comments, you seriously have to wonder at the number and the repeated finger pointing. Is it for real or is it feeding some beast? One conservative site that often gets it right is 'the American Conservative'. http://www.theamericanconservative.com

"What if the right-wing media wins? Conservative critics of the press want more than just a louder voice. They want The New York Times and The Washington Post to go away." https://www.cjr.org/special_report/right-wing-media-breitbart-fox-bannon-carlson-hannity-coulter-trump.php

Fox isn't news, I wish there were a better word for whatever it is they think they are doing. They are still bamboozling their fan base with Hillary's emails and Uranium, and from this old news covered and covered and covered they come to grand conspiratorial conclusions, I love the strained faces they make when reporting, almost like they have gas. Constipation has a news face, Fox. They and Trump are the 'emotional sustenance' for the aggrieved who haven't figured out yet they are being played by 'dark money'.

For checks on fake news and even political positions see these sites.
https://www.snopes.com
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.politifact.com/
https://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

OP Examples:
Bret: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/opinion/the-happy-hooker-conservatives.html
Jonathan: https://www.axios.com/million-dollar-tax-bracket-trump-2501439805.html
Kathleen: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-saying-sgt-la-david-johnsons-name-is-so-important/2017/10/24/52fafda8-b8f6-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

"(A) nation in which 87 percent of eighteen - to twenty-four year olds (according to a 2002 National Geographic Society/Roper Poll survey) cannot locate Iran or Iraq on a world map and 11 percent cannot locate the United States (!) is not merely “intellectually sluggish.” It would be more accurate to call it moronic, capable of being fooled into believing anything …” Morris Berman or

A few books, you know books, those paper things for the reader willing to challenge themselves. Wanna understand America today, read them.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30724304-the-making-of-donald-trump
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny

"Let me control the textbooks, and I will control the state." Adolf Hitler

"We live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups. I ask, in my writing, 'What is real?' Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms." Philip K. Dick
In other words, people who back your beliefs and attack mine. No, you need to go to Brietbart for the truth.

Mini Me
11-18-2017, 11:59 AM
Eve though the question was directed at another poster, I thought I'd chime in and say that I would suggest people tune to the news source they that find suits their political leanings whether it's pro-Trump or anti-Trump.
But then they can never learn anything new! They are practicing confirmation bias...the choir is preaching to them!Through propaganda!

I Read book from many points of view to broaden my understanding.

midcan5
11-18-2017, 03:16 PM
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson

The [right wing conservative?] replies above are among the goofiest I've ever heard. Truth is only truth because you agree with it! Huh? No wonder we have a moron as president. The sites mentioned counter the stupidity of the right and the left. We live in a nation of dummies who must be proud of being dummies. When you think about it it must be easy being a dummy no sense in challenging you stupidity that would take reading and learning. But there are people who want a bit of reality and knowledge.

"...Newsweek recently asked 1,000 U.S. citizens to take America’s official citizenship test, 29 percent couldn’t name the vice president. Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War. Forty-four percent were unable to define the Bill of Rights. And 6 percent couldn’t even circle Independence Day on a calendar."
http://www.newsweek.com/how-ignorant-are-americans-66053

'The 11 dumbest things that 30 percent of Americans believe'
https://www.dailydot.com/via/dumb-things-30-percent-america-believes/

'Trump Won Because Voters Are Ignorant, Literally'
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/10/the-dance-of-the-dunces-trump-clinton-election-republican-democrat/

"Excerpted from Just How Stupid Are We?, by Rick Shenkman, by arrangement with Basic Books."
https://www.alternet.org/culture/ignorant-america-just-how-stupid-are-we

"“In no other democracy in the world, it is said, could voters be so openly motivated by greed, show so little concern for less-privileged fellow citizens and be so politically ignorant,” he wrote in an article last fall. “Only in hate-filled, under-educated ‘Ami-land’ could someone like Trump be successful.”"
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/eric-frazier/article77485617.html

'Just How Stupid Are We?: Facing the Truth About the American Voter'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2412382.Just_How_Stupid_Are_We_

"(A) nation in which 87 percent of eighteen - to twenty-four year olds (according to a 2002 National Geographic Society/Roper Poll survey) cannot locate Iran or Iraq on a world map and 11 percent cannot locate the United States (!) is not merely “intellectually sluggish.” It would be more accurate to call it moronic, capable of being fooled into believing anything …” Morris Berman