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Agent Zero
01-12-2018, 07:35 PM
Apparently, they're quite happy where they are, are embarrased by Trump bringing them up, and welcome Americans emigrating to their country with open arms.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/whod-prefer-their-country-to-trumps-us-norwegians-would/2018/01/12/de3af120-f7d5-11e7-9af7-a50bc3300042_story.html?utm_term=.1b8562353c76


STAVANGER, Norway — Norwegians generally live longer than Americans. There’s a generous safety net of health care and pensions. And although it’s pricey, the country last year was named the happiest on Earth.President Donald Trump says the United States should take in more Norwegians, but is it any wonder that more Americans are going the other way?
The country of 5.2 million people that seldom makes global headlines awoke Friday to the news that Trump wanted to have more immigrants from Norway, rather than Haiti and countries in Africa that he disparaged with a vulgar term.
The comments came after Trump met Wednesday with Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg in Washington. His remarks were seen in Oslo as racially charged and sharply at odds with Norwegian values of inclusivity.

Agent Zero
01-12-2018, 07:36 PM
Trump’s comments were unlikely to trigger an exodus from one of the wealthiest countries in the world.Oil-rich Norway ranks fourth in the world for GDP per person, according to the World Bank, compared with the U.S., which was eighth. Norway also boasts a universal health care system, low unemployment and $1 trillion “rainy day” fund fueled by its offshore oil and gas resources that helps pay for generous pensions and other social welfare programs.
Norwegians also have a life expectancy of 81.8 years on average, making them the 15th longest-living people in the world, according to the World Health Organization. The U.S. is in 31st place, with a life expectancy of 79.3 years.

“Why would people from Norway want to immigrate here? They have actual health care, and longer life expectancy,” author Stephen King wrote on Twitter.
Last year, Norway soared to the top slot in the World Happiness Report. The U.S. was 14th in the latest ranking, down from No. 13 in 2016, and over the years Americans steadily have been rating themselves less happy.

Dr. Who
01-12-2018, 07:50 PM
Actually, most Europeans prefer Europe, if not their own country, over America. America would only become attractive if it introduced Universal Healthcare, highly subsidized, if not free, post-secondary education, state-sponsored daycare, reasonable maternity/paternity leave, guaranteed minimum 4 weeks vacation per year, guaranteed state pensions that would support a senior and serious gun control. Otherwise, to them, America is basically a third world country with money.

gamewell45
01-12-2018, 09:02 PM
Actually, most Europeans prefer Europe, if not their own country, over America. America would only become attractive if it introduced Universal Healthcare, highly subsidized, if not free, post-secondary education, state-sponsored daycare, reasonable maternity/paternity leave, guaranteed minimum 4 weeks vacation per year, guaranteed state pensions that would support a senior and serious gun control. Otherwise, to them, America is basically a third world country with money.

Good posting; the state guaranteed pensions and Universal Healthcare are very attractive as well.

Kacper
01-12-2018, 09:56 PM
Norway's per capita GDP has fallen about 30% 2013-2016 and is barely turning the corner. They are highly dependent on oil prices.

Kalkin
01-12-2018, 10:11 PM
Europeans want to stay in Europe. US Americans want to stay in the US. Why don't Haitians want to stay in Haiti? Why don't Mexicans want to stay in Mexico? Perhaps those places are shitholes.

nathanbforrest45
01-13-2018, 10:50 AM
Well since there are over 4 millions Norwegians living in the US at the present it does not appear that all of them are of the same mind.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Americans

nathanbforrest45
01-13-2018, 10:52 AM
Good posting; the state guaranteed pensions and Universal Healthcare are very attractive as well.What happens when those paying all the bills decide to quit?

Peter1469
01-13-2018, 11:00 AM
What happens when those paying all the bills decide to quit?

Or when there are too many pensioners collecting and not enough younger people working.

gamewell45
01-13-2018, 12:40 PM
What happens when those paying all the bills decide to quit?

Do you mean quit working?

nathanbforrest45
01-15-2018, 02:01 PM
Do you mean quit working?

Quit - stop, cease, forego,

At what point will Atlas Shrug?

Tahuyaman
01-15-2018, 06:21 PM
Actually, most Europeans prefer Europe, if not their own country, over America. America would only become attractive if it introduced Universal Healthcare, highly subsidized, if not free, post-secondary education, state-sponsored daycare, reasonable maternity/paternity leave, guaranteed minimum 4 weeks vacation per year, guaranteed state pensions that would support a senior and serious gun control. Otherwise, to them, America is basically a third world country with money.

When I lived in Germany the women sure wanted to get hooked up with an American so they could get a ticket to the US. I don't know of anyone who considers the US a third world country. That notion is nonsensical.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 06:43 PM
When I lived in Germany the women sure wanted to get hooked up with an American so they could get a ticket to the US. I don't know of anyone who considers the US a third world country. That notion is nonsensical.
There are always some women looking for a meal ticket. Eastern European and Russian women are the most common applicants for green cards of those applying to immigrate to the US from European continent - looking for wealthy middle-aged husbands or applying because they already have a fish on the line. They aren't too picky because they know that they can tap the guy for half of his assets in the divorce.

jimmyz
01-15-2018, 07:06 PM
There are always some women looking for a meal ticket. Eastern European and Russian women are the most common applicants for green cards of those applying to immigrate to the US from European continent - looking for wealthy middle-aged husbands or applying because they already have a fish on the line. They aren't too picky because they know that they can tap the guy for half of his assets in the divorce.

At least we are allowed to "grab them by their pussy" now that Trump says it's okay.

Tahuyaman
01-15-2018, 07:07 PM
There are always some women looking for a meal ticket. Eastern European and Russian women are the most common applicants for green cards of those applying to immigrate to the US from European continent - looking for wealthy middle-aged husbands or applying because they already have a fish on the line. They aren't too picky because they know that they can tap the guy for half of his assets in the divorce.

West Germans are not considered Eastern Europeans. Your claim that Europeans look at the US as a wealthy third world nation is absurd.

Dangermouse
01-15-2018, 07:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTmDyFEV4AYMN6O.jpg:large

Peter1469
01-15-2018, 07:33 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTmDyFEV4AYMN6O.jpg:large
Or, we need less freedom and more government.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 07:54 PM
West Germans are not considered Eastern Europeans. Your claim that Europeans look at the US as a wealthy third world nation is absurd.

Are you sure that the women you met were west Germans? How long ago was this? I work for a German company and the Germans are not shy about expressing their views of the US. I've talked to many of them over the last 20 years. They don't like the US - they don't like the culture. If they had to accept a transfer and they have kids, their first choices are anywhere else in Europe or Canada or Australia.

gamewell45
01-15-2018, 07:56 PM
Quit - stop, cease, forego,

At what point will Atlas Shrug?

I cannot envision the entire population quitting their jobs; who in their right mind wants to sit at home all day and do absolutely nothing with their lives?? I know i couldn't sit at home; i'd want to work and earn a living.

Tahuyaman
01-15-2018, 08:14 PM
Are you sure that the women you met were west Germans? How long ago was this? I work for a German company and the Germans are not shy about expressing their views of the US. I've talked to many of them over the last 20 years. They don't like the US - they don't like the culture. If they had to accept a transfer and they have kids, their first choices are anywhere else in Europe or Canada or Australia.


Your claim that they consider the US a third world country is absurd. In fact it's beyond absurd. Whether they like our culture or not is a different issue.

resister
01-15-2018, 08:20 PM
Are you sure that the women you met were west Germans? How long ago was this? I work for a German company and the Germans are not shy about expressing their views of the US. I've talked to many of them over the last 20 years. They don't like the US - they don't like the culture. If they had to accept a transfer and they have kids, their first choices are anywhere else in Europe or Canada or Australia.

Good, though anecdotes are hardly convincing. Would but that all felt that way. USA, for Americans.

resister
01-15-2018, 08:21 PM
I cannot envision the entire population quitting their jobs; who in their right mind wants to sit at home all day and do absolutely nothing with their lives?? I know i couldn't sit at home; i'd want to work and earn a living.
Be nice if welfare recipiants had that view.

resister
01-15-2018, 08:23 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTmDyFEV4AYMN6O.jpg:large
What is the population difference and when are you immigrating? Care to put the UK on that list?

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 08:25 PM
Your claim that they consider the US a third world country is absurd. In fact it's beyond absurd. Whether they like our culture or not is a different issue.

That was descriptive of the lack of what they consider first world basic rights of citizens and in particular, those who are employed.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 08:28 PM
Good, though anecdotes are hardly convincing. Would but that all felt that way. USA, for Americans.

Or, it might explain why they are not lining up to emigrate to America.

resister
01-15-2018, 08:30 PM
Or, it might explain why they are not lining up to emigrate to America.
To bad Mexicans and Muslims don't feel that way (never mind you offered no evidence)

Mister D
01-15-2018, 08:32 PM
Americans aren't lining up to emigrate to Norway. What's the point of all this?

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 08:47 PM
Americans aren't lining up to emigrate to Norway. What's the point of all this?

Trump wants Euro immigration, but there just aren't that many takers. That's also an answer to his question about why America is taking immigrants from the third world (cleaning up his actual words).

The average birth rate in America is now 1.84 per female (and falling), thus not reproducing the existing population. The number of Americans ages 65 and older is projected to more than double from 46 million today to over 98 million by 2060, and the 65-and-older age group's share of the total population will rise to nearly 24 percent from 15 percent. (https://www.google.ca/search?safe=active&ei=wFddWpyZJMSsjwThipMo&q=number+of+americans+over+age+65&oq=number+of+americans+over+age+65&gs_l=psy-ab.3...113317.120501.0.120961.31.28.0.3.3.0.296.39 55.2j17j5.24.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.17.2818...0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i3k1.0.j SkFP0O-17Y) That means that America needs more taxpayers in a hurry. While America needs skills, it also needs people who will give birth and often the two are not the same thing. There is a direct correlation between higher education and low birth rate.

Peter1469
01-15-2018, 08:49 PM
Or, it might explain why they are not lining up to emigrate to America.

Of course they aren't. They are accustomed to a high level of government support. And most of their nations are running out of money to provide that support as the population ages.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 08:58 PM
Of course they aren't. They are accustomed to a high level of government support. And most of their nations are running out of money to provide that support as the population ages.
It's the same reason that they are taking in third world immigration - low birth rates.

resister
01-15-2018, 09:00 PM
It's the same reason that they are taking in third world immigration - low birth rates.
You misspelled Democrat (or socialist) voters.

Mister D
01-15-2018, 09:05 PM
Trump wants Euro immigration, but there just aren't that many takers. That's also an answer to his question about why America is taking immigrants from the third world (cleaning up his actual words).

The average birth rate in America is now 1.84 per female (and falling), thus not reproducing the existing population. The number of Americans ages 65 and older is projected to more than double from 46 million today to over 98 million by 2060, and the 65-and-older age group's share of the total population will rise to nearly 24 percent from 15 percent. (https://www.google.ca/search?safe=active&ei=wFddWpyZJMSsjwThipMo&q=number+of+americans+over+age+65&oq=number+of+americans+over+age+65&gs_l=psy-ab.3...113317.120501.0.120961.31.28.0.3.3.0.296.39 55.2j17j5.24.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.17.2818...0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i3k1.0.j SkFP0O-17Y) That means that America needs more taxpayers in a hurry. While America needs skills, it also needs people who will give birth and often the two are not the same thing. There is a direct correlation between higher education and low birth rate.
What Trump said is that we need better immigrants and that America does not need poor, uneducated migrants from Africa or Haiti. That you parrot free market propaganda about birth rates is amusing but you are positively delusional if you think poor migrants are going to save Western welfare systems. Are you for real? Yeah, invite a whole bunch of poor people to have children. Great idea! I laughed at first but...you're fucking serious.

Peter1469
01-15-2018, 09:09 PM
It's the same reason that they are taking in third world immigration - low birth rates.

Their crime rates are soaring and their hope in the 3rd worlders boasting the tax base high enough to matter (especially after subtracting out the welfare costs) will prove their folly.

Mister D
01-15-2018, 09:16 PM
It's amazing to me how progressive will extol the virtues of countries where hostility to immigration, particularly non-white immigration, is common. Worse still, they do this in an effort to critique Trump's supposed "xenophobia"! Incredible.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 09:17 PM
What Trump said is that we need better immigrants and that America does not need poor, uneducated migrants from Africa or Haiti. That you parrot free market propaganda about birth rates is amusing but you are positively delusional if you think poor migrants are going to save Western welfare systems. Are you for real? Yeah, invite a whole bunch of poor people to have children. Great idea! I laughed at first but...you're fucking serious.
Apart from refugees, America is not taking just anyone from places like Africa and Haiti. For one thing, the desperately poor can't afford the cost of a plane ticket.

Mister D
01-15-2018, 09:19 PM
Their crime rates are soaring and their hope in the 3rd worlders boasting the tax base high enough to matter (especially after subtracting out the welfare costs) will prove their folly.
Peter, Norwegians by and large have no such hope.

Mister D
01-15-2018, 09:22 PM
Apart from refugees, America is not taking just anyone from places like Africa and Haiti. For one thing, the desperately poor can't afford the cost of a plane ticket.
Who, we take in awful lot of everybody and we certainly take a lot of poor, uneducated and unskilled migrants. Canada doesn't. In fact, no one but the US does. You know why? Because it's harmful and no sane leader would recommend such a thing. Trump is right.

rcfieldz
01-15-2018, 09:24 PM
Let's see by a showing of hands, who's moving to Norway?

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 09:27 PM
Their crime rates are soaring and their hope in the 3rd worlders boasting the tax base high enough to matter (especially after subtracting out the welfare costs) will prove their folly.
I seem to recall that established Americans were pretty much beside themselves during the great waves of immigration during the 1890's. A great deal of crime resulted during that time - there was no welfare, but the children of those immigrants went on to build the nation.

Dr. Who
01-15-2018, 09:39 PM
Who, we take in awful lot of everybody and we certainly take a lot of poor, uneducated and unskilled migrants. Canada doesn't. In fact, no one but the US does. You know why? Because it's harmful and no sane leader would recommend such a thing. Trump is right.
I have no issue with being picky about importing people with potential, but every immigrant can't be a professional. Some should be trades people and administrative types and those who want to establish businesses. The country of origin doesn't matter, but the character of the immigrant does. Additionally, there does need to be more due dilligence with regard to educating prospective immigrants with regard to the law in America and cultural practices that violate the law. Perhaps having to pass a test in that regard would be in order.

However, rather than being histrionic about admitting third worlders, it should be a matter of being more pragmatic about vetting applicants.

That may well slow the process, but improve the outcome.

Dangermouse
01-15-2018, 10:11 PM
You misspelled Democrat (or socialist) voters.

Democrats aren't socialists except in the tiny minds of the far right. They're center-right anywhere but the US.

resister
01-15-2018, 10:21 PM
What is the population difference and when are you immigrating? Care to put the UK on that list? Dangermouse funny you did not answer or put the UK on that list (actually, not funny just telling)

Dangermouse
01-15-2018, 10:54 PM
@Dangermouse (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=832) funny you did not answer or put the UK on that list (actually, not funny just telling)

What are you asking? I didn't create the list, a Norwegian did. Two crosses for the UK, and one unsure. The rest ticks. I'd stay here because alcohol is cheaper and it's warmer on average than Norway.