If this is accurate, then perhaps you just don't know how to get your point across. Just in this thread, in
Post 9, you were responding to Common Sense's post (6) concerning laws against "murder, theft, and lying" (post 5) and how they came about. You said,
"Those laws originate in religion alone."
When I posted that laws and morality developed in spite of not because of religion,
you posted:
"
You go back far enough to early Roman and early Gree times and you find religion was all there was and out of that came most laws and morality."
So, yes, you did post exactly what I said you posted, and you did not post what you claim to have posted.
That's incredibly hard to argue against because you say one thing and then you claim you didn't. If, as you now say, you didn't mean those things, then you should have been more careful in your wording when you posted them.
Just saying.
You think that's beneficial, but that's actually the source of one of your problems. Think for yourself. You're very good at copy/paste, in much the same manner as MidCan, but it doesn't mean jack $#@!. You have to be able to explain why you believe something someone else said. You don't do that. You simply post their thoughts and think that bouys your argument. It doesn't.
I posted one simple idea from Morgan and Tylor--an idea that cultural evolution was such that early man progressed intellectually through stages, and that earliest stages were not conducive to forming religions.
That's it. I didn't post anything else from their ideas, yet you thought it was a good debate tactic to undermine their basis. Here's the thing--unlike you, I actually think for myself. I agree with the idea of intellectual evolution of early man--that does not mean I agree with everything Morgan and Tylor wrote. Good gawd, man, what sort of lame argument is that?
There you go again. You even go so far as to say "your two 19th century anthropologists..." as if I have some sort of claim on them. How incredibly anti-intellectual is that? I gave you one simple concept from them--a concept that stands on its own independent of them, and this is how you react.
Okay. All that aside, because it's just your way of deflecting from your failed argument.
Let's get back to the nuts and bolts...
Despite your claims in this post, you
have made comments indicating laws and morals come from religion. That claim would be absolutely fine coming from Mister D, or Peter, or anyone else who is religious, because the basis of their argument is that the same god(s) that made humans also made laws. I get that argument. I don't agree with it but I get it.
You cannot use that argument because you claim to be atheist. Being an atheist removes that specific argument from your repertoire.
For any honest atheist, it's understood that laws and morals come naturally from humans since there is no outside influence to bring them. Period. There is no further argument. Human created laws, morals, and religion. Period. Religion created nothing because it does not stand alone. It is a creation of humans, therefore everything it contains is a creation of humans. Period.
So, let's just stop this silliness. You've argued yourself into a corner and you can't get out.