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    Rule 10

    Rule 10. Threads marked tPF allow the thread creator to thread ban members for what they feel are violations of any of the above listed forum rules, and only for those reasons.

    Has anybody read this rule other than me? Is this a rule or isn't it?
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Rule 10. Threads marked tPF allow the thread creator to thread ban members for what they feel are violations of any of the above listed forum rules, and only for those reasons.

    Has anybody read this rule other than me? Is this a rule or isn't it?
    I think it as intended to control the flow of discussion. For example, I use it for keeping it from turning a good conversation into a melee where anyone says anything they want to say, even if it's outside of the subject matter. If I post a tP F thread, I want to keep it from derailment and personal attacks. It's kind of like playing the telephone game. By the time a thread is done, it has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Some members like to take a thread and turn in to something all about them. That's why I use it, but seldom call upon moderation to step in. I have, and will continue to do so, IF I post a tPF thread.
    I know that sometimes threads indicating tPF are short lived, but hey, this is a forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Rule 10. Threads marked tPF allow the thread creator to thread ban members for what they feel are violations of any of the above listed forum rules, and only for those reasons.

    Has anybody read this rule other than me? Is this a rule or isn't it?
    I read it. I was a mod when it was added. Yes, it is a rule.
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    Yes, it's a rule. Instead of a team of mods deciding a post/poster has violated a rule, the OP decides. Mods can override, that is, there must be a rule violation.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, it's a rule. Instead of a team of mods deciding a post/poster has violated a rule, the OP decides. Mods can override, that is, there must be a rule violation.
    Yet...
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Yet...
    The rule was written to avoid trivial TBs. I shouldn't be able to TB you from my tPF thread simply because I don't like you or your post. I need to state the rule violated and explain. OTOH, it avoids the time and consensus of mods TBs normally take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The rule was written to avoid trivial TBs. I shouldn't be able to TB you from my tPF thread simply because I don't like you or your post. I need to state the rule violated and explain. OTOH, it avoids the time and consensus of mods TBs normally take.
    Well, that isn't what is happening. The reality is that any clown who starts a tPF thread can effectively ban anyone he wants from it for any reason or no reason. We just saw an example of that.

    Either Rule 10 is a rule or it isn't a rule. If that rule can just be ignored, I don't see any reason why all the others shouldn't be optional, as well.

    Here is an easy fix. ENFORCE the rule and if a thread ban is required, have the mods cite the specific rule violation in their ban post.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Well, that isn't what is happening. The reality is that any clown who starts a tPF thread can effectively ban anyone he wants from it for any reason or no reason. We just saw an example of that.

    Either Rule 10 is a rule or it isn't a rule. If that rule can just be ignored, I don't see any reason why all the others shouldn't be optional, as well.

    Here is an easy fix. ENFORCE the rule and if a thread ban is required, have the mods cite the specific rule violation in their ban post.

    OK, well, I would suggest sending a PM to a mod and explaining the situation--you and any others who see this issue. That's the way to handle it, via PM or reports when you get TBed. If enough raise the issue, they will likely scrutinize tPF TB requests more carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    OK, well, I would suggest sending a PM to a mod and explaining the situation--you and any others who see this issue. That's the way to handle it, via PM or reports when you get TBed. If enough raise the issue, they will likely scrutinize tPF TB requests more carefully.
    I have and we have exchanged several messages on the subject.

    I would tell you what was said, but I am sure they would choose to enforce the rule prohibiting the discussion of moderation and the revealing of content of private messages, even if they are not willing to enforce Rule 10.

    Maybe what we need to is for multiple people to address the subject with them. It is too easy to blow off just one voice.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Yes, it is still a member-driven forum so if enough members voice a concern the admin team will listen.
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