Medicare for All: why not?

[MisterVeritis]

Right. Who will you enslave to provide free stuff?

If you don't know what a "means test" is , just google it.

You failed to answer my reasonable question.

Who will you enslave to provide you with free stuff?

Those who want a return to slavery don't like to answer my question.

[MisterVeritis]

You leftists constantly tell us you are the smartest people who ever lived. Given that when do you think you can come up with a plan for all of you smart people to pool your resources based on private contracts and do what you are trying to impose on the rest of us?

Playing "the leftist card" against anyone you don't agree with has become more of an admission that your view has no credible defense......if I was one of the smartest people who ever lived , I wouldn't be sitting here chatting with you on the internet (lol)

And yet, you radical Leftists, while not being smart at all claim you are.

Good news. I have given you the path forward to your utopia. Pool your resources based on private contracts.

[MisterVeritis]

Healthcare for all is something demagogues say. Focus on yourself. You believe someone else should pay for your health care. Why haven't you created private, contractual agreements to pool the resources of the 63 million of you and just do it without forcing those who have no interest in being slaves to the State, from joining you?

I am a demagogue who pays for his own health care - figure that one out when you have time...(lol) What I'm actually trying to say here , is that I believe health care can be affordable for all , if it's run correctly . It would be a massive over-hall , but it could be done . Allowing pharmaceutical company's to flood the country with opioids has been a major blunder.....and reversing that , would be a good place to start fixing the problems.

Nothing you said mitigates that you are a demagogue. It reinforces it.

You offer sunshine and hope while selling ashes and destruction.

[carolina73]

You seem to have a problem comprehending simple concepts, even when they are dumbed down for you about far as they can go.

Yes, every tax Dollar the government collects is taken by force or the threat of force. Try not paying your taxes for a few years and you'll see exactly how true that is.

The rest of your post is just babbling.

They come and take it. If they cannot get it then they get a judgement and court orders. If you don't cough it up then you are in Contempt of the Courts. That gets you sent to jail.

The one thing that bothers me is that you actually only rent your land. Property taxes are the rent you pay to stay there. Your house sits on the land and if they take your land then they take your house with the land. Your biggest investment for most Americans but you never actually own it. Your town will tell you that you cannot chop down your tree of grow your grass high.

[Lummy]

Canadians don't pay 60-70% in taxes.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/cana...s-a-catch.html

Yeah they do, if you count sales taxes, at least as of about 15 years ago. They are taxed up the cazoo.

[Padme]

Yeah they do, if you count sales taxes, at least as of about 15 years ago. They are taxed up the cazoo.

My family in Canada has confirmed that! Canadian people pay higher taxes than US.

[Dr. Who]

Yeah they do, if you count sales taxes, at least as of about 15 years ago. They are taxed up the cazoo.

The federal government levies a value-added tax of 5%, called the Goods and Services Tax (GST), and, in five provinces, the Harmonized Sales Tax (HST). The provinces of British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba levy a retail sales tax, and Quebec levies its own value-added tax, which is called the Quebec Sales Tax. The province of Alberta and the territories of Nunavut, Yukon, and Northwest Territories do not levy sales taxes of their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada
The Provincial components range between 0% and 12% so the total sales tax is 5% plus the provincial rate. There is no municipal sales tax in Canada.

[Dr. Who]

My family in Canada has confirmed that! Canadian people pay higher taxes than US.

Yes, but their taxes also pay for health insurance, so you need to look at what you pay in tax, plus your health insurance premium.

In Ontario the Health Care Premium is as follows, based on income:

Examples of how much individuals can expect to pay in Ontario Health Premium
Individual Taxable Income	Premium for Tax Year
Up to $20,000	$0.00
$21,000	$60.00
$22,000	$120.00
$23,000	$180.00
$24,000	$240.00
From $25,000 to $36,000	$300.00
$36,500	$330.00
$37,000	$360.00
$37,500	$390.00
$38,000	$420.00
From $38,500 to $48,000	$450.00
$48,100	$475.00
$48,200	$500.00
$48,300	$525.00
$48,400	$550.00
$48,500	$575.00
From $48,600 to $72,000	$600.00
$72,100	$625.00
$72,200	$650.00
$72,300	$675.00
$72,400	$700.00
$72,500	$725.00
From $72,600 to $200,000	$750.00
$200,100	$775.00
$200,200	$800.00
$200,300	$825.00
$200,400	$850.00
$200,500	$875.00
$200,600 and over	$900.00

https://data.ontario.ca/dataset/onta...-premium-rates

[Peter1469]

One reason the US can't afford Medicare for all? What is being proposed is far more than what other nations provide.

Medicare for All would provide far more benefits than universal healthcare in other countries

[Padme]

Yes, but their taxes also pay for health insurance, so you need to look at what you pay in tax, plus your health insurance premium.
In Ontario the Health Care Premium is as follows, based on income:

... and yet, if they need to go to the doctor for a MRI due to an excruciating back pain, or to see a specialist for severe heartburn they must wait for months because of the inefficiencies of their Health System. If they are paying more taxes is unacceptable what is occurring to them, and if they are paying less taxes, is equally unacceptable, right?