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    Due to the Corona Virus, I would like to be a Brain Surgeon but skip the whole education thing. LOL

    Imagine hiring a law firm and having them assign someone that did not even pass the BAR Exam to your case. Your fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Due to the Corona Virus, I would like to be a Brain Surgeon but skip the whole education thing. LOL

    Imagine hiring a law firm and having them assign someone that did not even pass the BAR Exam to your case. Your fired.
    People with a legal education who have not passed a bar are called legal clerks.
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    I think the last bar exam I took was in a little dive in Bremen called "Why Not?". The hardest part of the exam came right after I put my cigar out on the forehead of an annoying Turk.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Unbelievable. Perhaps we should also let med students skip residency and eliminate physical tests for Marines.

    The snowflakiness is out of control.
    Ohio States med school is allowing their fourth years to graduate. They still have to do a residency though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I haven't thought about it enough. The Bar is kind of the last opportunity for 'the man' to 'stick it to you'. I understand that they now take the national multiple choice before the actual bar exam. We know that only 73-78% pass the first time. It's incredibly stressful. I don't know. I'll have to think about it.
    National tests are an equalizer in terms of the quality of an institutions graduates. When one graduates Med School they are an MD. Would you choose a physician that wasn't board certified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    I think the last bar exam I took was in a little dive in Bremen called "Why Not?". The hardest part of the exam came right after I put my cigar out on the forehead of an annoying Turk.
    Good one! Thanks for the laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    National tests are an equalizer in terms of the quality of an institutions graduates. When one graduates Med School they are an MD. Would you choose a physician that wasn't board certified?
    I am skeptical of doctors. They are not educated. They are trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I am skeptical of doctors. They are not educated. They are trained.

    If you took their checklists away, they would be lost.
    Yea. Lots of people are skeptical of doctors until they need one.
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    Forget where I heard this, but "Law school teaches you to think; the bar examine teaches you how to practice law" seems accurate based on the lawyers I know.

    It is really unfortunate how the pandemic has impacted students, but it would also be really irresponsible to allow "lawyers" to practice law without passing the bar exam for their state. It actually surprises me that students of the law would be the ones arguing for this.

    I am going into a different field with a huge professional exam required for licensure in addition to anywhere from 1500 to 5000 supervised hours, depending on the state. The point of the exam is to demonstrate a basic in-depth understanding of everything from psychological theories, to ethics, to research methods and statistics. It is specific to a state/province. Because of my specialization, I will also have the equivalent of the first year of a JD (MLS) and the first year of a PharmD (MSc) in coursework and original research, which requires passing additional exams. This will be the culmination of... 12 years of university-level courses, and 3 years of practica and internships. Add the postdoc fellowship... I still won't be qualified for $#@! until I sit for my licensing exams.

    I cannot even fathom skipping that step for licensure, regardless of how much training someone has and from where. These exams basically prove that you have the aptitude necessary to perform, and this seems more important with the law since laws vary from state to state.

    If you look at how many people can pass the bar (or the EPPP/EPPP-2 for my field), it's pretty startling to realize that it's not just a formality. A lot of people fail or have to test repeatedly. Professional schools and doctoral programs keep track of this data because it can actually be how their program will be ranked later - a program with 80% licensure will rank higher than a program with 60% licensure, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    Yea. Lots of people are skeptical of doctors until they need one.
    I will just give you a very simple example: I had a total cholesterol of 250 in the past. But 110 of that was HDL- which is very good and very rare to be that high. My doctor said I had to take statins. I asked why, my HDL is the cause of the high total number. He said that doesn't matter, the checklist says 250 is high and to prescribe a statin. I fired the fool and got a better doctor.
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