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    Trump went too far. Pentagon official resigns. Where is the line?

    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.


    From the The Hill...

    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday, accusing Secretary of Defense
    Mark Esper of betraying his oath of office by backing President Trump on the forceable removal of peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., the previous day.

    “Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense,” Miller wrote in a letter published in The Washington Post. “You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.


    From the The Hill...

    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday, accusing Secretary of Defense
    Mark Esper of betraying his oath of office by backing President Trump on the forceable removal of peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., the previous day.

    “Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense,” Miller wrote in a letter published in The Washington Post. “You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday...
    I miss him already.

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    After the huge mess of lies Obama's gang left and still leave, Miller has nothing to stand on but memories of his old buddies and the seditious Obama gang.

    So, I have to agree with cotton on this one.
    http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/120290-Vodafone-denies-5G-coronavirus-connection

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    He sees the writing on the wall, perhaps, and his number is up.
    http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/120290-Vodafone-denies-5G-coronavirus-connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    After the huge mess of lies Obama's gang left and still leave,
    What do lies have anything to do with this? If you want to compare lies, last time I checked Trump was smashing previous lie records with 16000+ false or misleading statements. Its probably 19,000 by now.


    Miller has nothing to stand on but memories of his old buddies and the seditious Obama gang.
    Sedition? you are talking bunk.

    But given the clear misconduct, I guess that all you would be able to do if you desperately feel like defending the President's authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.
    I'm pretty sure they clear areas of people who might have the propensity to harm a president -- before said president goes to those areas.

    Was anyone injured?

    Alrighty then...
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    Except someone in the crowd threw stuff at the police to get them to react. A favored tactic of Antifa (Anti-First Amendment).


    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.


    From the The Hill...

    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday, accusing Secretary of Defense
    Mark Esper of betraying his oath of office by backing President Trump on the forceable removal of peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., the previous day.

    “Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense,” Miller wrote in a letter published in The Washington Post. “You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.


    From the The Hill...

    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday, accusing Secretary of Defense
    Mark Esper of betraying his oath of office by backing President Trump on the forceable removal of peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., the previous day.

    “Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense,” Miller wrote in a letter published in The Washington Post. “You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper

    I thought that whole " raised bible in the hand in front of the church " photo op was complete BS.

    No politician can lecture anyone on morality.

    Trump has an admitted history of cheating on his wife with a porn star, and this is the only one we know of.
    How many others did he diddle that we do not know about?
    How many hookers?

    Don't hold up a bible and lecture to me about anything, Trump.
    You are NOT a religious pillar of the community.

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    I was also a frequent purveyor of "professionals", but I am not about to go around telling others how pure I am in a photo-op.

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    That being said, ANYTIME...ANYTIME the president goes anywhere, the area is required to be sanitized and make safe.
    They do whatever it takes to make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    The White House ordered a peaceful protest in DC cleared, supposedly so that the President could have a photo op holding a bible in front a St John's church. The White house full on violated the first amendment rights of those people. And violently so, needlessly, rubber bullets, flash bangs, pepper balls. Passive journalists were not immune from attack. Even the priest and clergy of the church were tear gassed. Later that night in DC, a military "Lakota" helicopter buzzed more peaceful protesters as a show of force,hovering 40 feet above them. Reportedly, the air pressure was so strong it was snapping branches off trees. This is a maneuver used to scare battle hardened insurgents. This was the US military used against US citizens.


    From the The Hill...

    James Miller, who served as the undersecretary of Defense for policy from 2012 to 2014, resigned from his position on the Pentagon’s science board Tuesday, accusing Secretary of Defense
    Mark Esper of betraying his oath of office by backing President Trump on the forceable removal of peaceful protesters in Washington, D.C., the previous day.

    “Anyone who takes the oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line: What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper, you have served honorably for many years, in active and reserve military duty, as Secretary of the Army, and now as Secretary of Defense,” Miller wrote in a letter published in The Washington Post. “You must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask: If last night’s blatant violations do not cross the line for you, what will?”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper
    50 plus Secret Service agents were injured in the previous few days at the White House, a church was set a fire the previous night across the street from the White House, the President was scheduled to make a Rose Garden speech and visit the burned church, what do you expect the DC LEO's and National Guard to do with "nonviolent protesters" (I made a funny) when they refuse to move back a city block from the White House ??

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