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    Racism and Systematic Racism: Safety vs MMC

    @Safety has challenged @MMC to a one-on-one debate on the topic of racism and systematic racism

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    There is no Sytemic or Instutionalized Racism by Cops against Blacks.


    Criminal Behavior, Not Racism ... - The Larry Elder Show

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    Jun 28, 2018 · By Larry Elder |Posted: Jun 28, 2018 A new study on racial disparities in police conduct found that differences in offending by suspects, not racism, explains officers’ responses.


    A new study on racial disparities in police conduct found that differences in offending by suspects, not racism, explains officers’ responses.


    In the study “Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force?” professors from Michigan State and Arizona State universities analyzed officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015 and 2016. The report’s abstract says: “We benchmark two years of fatal shooting data on 2016 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects… Exposure to police given crime rate differences likely accounts for the higher per capita rate of fatal police shootings for blacks, at least when analyzing all shootings. For unarmed shootings or misidentification shootings, data are too uncertain to be conclusive.”


    Two recent studies found cops more reluctant to use deadly force against blacks, including one by a black Harvard economist. Professor Roland G. Fryer Jr. concluded: “On the most extreme use of force — officer-involved shootings — we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account.”
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    Yet in your report...
    "Given population proportions, odds were 3.7 times higher for Blacks to be fatally shot while holding/reaching for a harmless object. Even adjusting for violent crime rates, (nonsignificant) anti-Black disparity was observed."

    Then we have this...

    "Instead, it highlights the difficulty of eliminating errors under conditions of uncertainty when stereotypes may bias the decision-making process."

    Any systemic racism, even from stereotypes, is not acceptable in a agency that is tasked in protecting all citizens. Let me put it in a different scenerio...Let's say your flight to Michigan is operated by a company that has a 3.7% higher chance of having a pilot that is a "bad apple" vs another company, would you accept those odds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Yet in your report...
    "Given population proportions, odds were 3.7 times higher for Blacks to be fatally shot while holding/reaching for a harmless object. Even adjusting for violent crime rates, (nonsignificant) anti-Black disparity was observed."

    Then we have this...

    "Instead, it highlights the difficulty of eliminating errors under conditions of uncertainty when stereotypes may bias the decision-making process."

    Any systemic racism, even from stereotypes, is not acceptable in a agency that is tasked in protecting all citizens. Let me put it in a different scenerio...Let's say your flight to Michigan is operated by a company that has a 3.7% higher chance of having a pilot that is a "bad apple" vs another company, would you accept those odds?
    And yet we have this. Which gets down to the real stats. By race.


    But aren’t blacks routinely “racially profiled” by cops? Not according to the Police-Public Contact Survey. Produced every three years by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, the survey asks more than 60,000 people about their interactions with the police. It asks respondents’ to provide age, race and gender. It asks them whether they had any contact with the police in the last year; what was the experience like; how were your treated; was there a use of force and so on. Turns out, according to a September 2017 National Review article, black men and white men are about equally likely to have a contact with a cop in a given year. As to multiple contacts, defined as three or more with the police in a given year, 1.5 percent of blacks vs. 1.2 percent of whites fall in that category. Not much difference.


    There’s also the National Crime Victimization Survey, which questions victims of crimes, whether or not the criminal was captured, as to the race and ethnicity of the suspect. It turns out that the race of the arrested matches the percentage given by victims. So unless victims are lying about the race of their assailant, unconcerned about whether he gets caught, blacks are not being “overarrested.”


    A reasonable discussion about blacks and police practices cannot take place without acknowledging the disproportion amount of crime committed by blacks. According to the Department of Justice’s “Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties, 2009,” in the country’s 75 largest counties, blacks committed 62 percent of robberies, 45 percent of assaults and accounted for 57 percent of murder defendants.
    The No. 1 cause of preventable death for young white men is accidents, such as car accidents. The No. 1 cause of preventable death for young black men is homicide, usually committed by another young black man, not a cop.


    The courageous Manhattan Institute’s Heather Mac Donald, who writes extensively about police practice, asked: “Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous. … Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.”.....snip~


    https://www.larryelder.com/column/cr...n-crime-stats/



    Mac Donald: There Is No Systemic Racism in Police Depts

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    All evidence supports her thesis. No evidence supports the Left.


    Then more stats that validates there is no systemic racism by police against blacks.


    New Police Shooting Stats Show Law Enforcement Is Not the ...

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    Jan 22, 2019 · So, here’s the 2018 breakdown of the 995 people shot and killed by the police. 403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown. Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 …



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    1 day ago · Last year, according to the Washington Post, the police killed nine unarmed blacks. They killed 19 unarmed whites. In recent years, about 50 cops have been shot and killed annually in the line of duty. So, more cops are killed each year than are unarmed black suspects
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    And yet we have this. Which gets down to the real stats. By race.


    But aren’t blacks routinely “racially profiled” by cops? Not according to the Police-Public Contact Survey. Produced every three years by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, the survey asks more than 60,000 people about their interactions with the police. It asks respondents’ to provide age, race and gender. It asks them whether they had any contact with the police in the last year; what was the experience like; how were your treated; was there a use of force and so on. Turns out, according to a September 2017 National Review article, black men and white men are about equally likely to have a contact with a cop in a given year. As to multiple contacts, defined as three or more with the police in a given year, 1.5 percent of blacks vs. 1.2 percent of whites fall in that category. Not much difference.


    There’s also the National Crime Victimization Survey, which questions victims of crimes, whether or not the criminal was captured, as to the race and ethnicity of the suspect. It turns out that the race of the arrested matches the percentage given by victims. So unless victims are lying about the race of their assailant, unconcerned about whether he gets caught, blacks are not being “overarrested.”


    A reasonable discussion about blacks and police practices cannot take place without acknowledging the disproportion amount of crime committed by blacks. According to the Department of Justice’s “Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties, 2009,” in the country’s 75 largest counties, blacks committed 62 percent of robberies, 45 percent of assaults and accounted for 57 percent of murder defendants.
    The No. 1 cause of preventable death for young white men is accidents, such as car accidents. The No. 1 cause of preventable death for young black men is homicide, usually committed by another young black man, not a cop.


    The courageous Manhattan Institute’s Heather Mac Donald, who writes extensively about police practice, asked: “Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous. … Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.”.....snip~


    https://www.larryelder.com/column/cr...n-crime-stats/



    Mac Donald: There Is No Systemic Racism in Police Depts

    Thu, Jun 4, 2020
    All evidence supports her thesis. No evidence supports the Left.


    Then more stats that validates there is no systemic racism by police against blacks.


    New Police Shooting Stats Show Law Enforcement Is Not the ...

    https://www.newsmax.com/bernardkerik/police-shootings-crime-statistics/2019/01/22/id/...
    Jan 22, 2019 · So, here’s the 2018 breakdown of the 995 people shot and killed by the police. 403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown. Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 …



    Larry Elder: The George Floyd Riots — Where’s Black Lives ...

    https://blackcommunitynews.com/larry-elder-the-george-floyd-riots-wheres-black-lives...
    1 day ago · Last year, according to the Washington Post, the police killed nine unarmed blacks. They killed 19 unarmed whites. In recent years, about 50 cops have been shot and killed annually in the line of duty. So, more cops are killed each year than are unarmed black suspects
    If what you are alluding to is true, then why is "stop and frisk" considered racist? I mean, when Bloomberg was in the race, so many on the right berated him for having a "racist" policy. You can't argue that the disparity in a police encounter is not based on race, then have a police policy that is considered to be racist. Even the judge that rejected New York's stop and frisk policy said..."“Blacks are likely targeted for stops based on a lesser degree of objectively founded suspicion than whites,” she wrote."(Goldstein)

    Goldstein, Joesph. NYTIMES. 2013. Judge Rejects New Your's Stop-and-Frisk Policy. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/n...dge-rules.html

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    Oh and btw Safety. Roland G Fryer Jr. is a Leftist. His study backs what Thomas Sowell says about Systemic or Institutionalization Racism by Cop against Blacks. Same with Larry Elder and MacDonald.



    He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.
    They examined 1,332 shootings between 2000 and 2015, coding police narratives to answer questions such as: How old was the suspect? How many police officers were at the scene? Were they mostly white? Was the officer at the scene for a robbery, violent activity, a traffic stop or something else? Was it nighttime? Did the officer shoot after being attacked or before a possible attack? One goal was to determine if police officers were quicker to fire at black suspects.


    In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both results undercut the idea of racial bias in police use of lethal force.


    But police shootings are only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t?
    To answer this, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there let the researchers look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer defined this group to include encounters with suspects the police subsequently charged with serious offenses like attempting to murder an officer, or evading or resisting arrest. He also considered suspects shocked with Tasers.


    Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black. This estimate was not precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in various models controlling for different factors and using different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.


    “It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard.....snip~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    If what you are alluding to is true, then why is "stop and frisk" considered racist? I mean, when Bloomberg was in the race, so many on the right berated him for having a "racist" policy. You can't argue that the disparity in a police encounter is not based on race, then have a police policy that is considered to be racist. Even the judge that rejected New York's stop and frisk policy said..."“Blacks are likely targeted for stops based on a lesser degree of objectively founded suspicion than whites,” she wrote."(Goldstein)

    Goldstein, Joesph. NYTIMES. 2013. Judge Rejects New Your's Stop-and-Frisk Policy. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/n...dge-rules.html

    Please use your words.
    Because Stop and Frisk was treated as a moral question rather than an evidence based question. With stop and frisk in New York. Those protesting the practice pointed out that most of the people that are targeted are Black and Latino. It was a funny objection to make. Considering most of New York City is Black and Latino. Which then they used the argument of the practice and basing it on if it was randomly applied. Yet the practice wasn't randomly applied. Rather it was applied in High Crime areas which in New York tend to be disproportionately Black and Latino. Where I have already given you the stats on crime rates by races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Because Stop and Frisk was treated as a moral question rather than an evidence based question. With stop and frisk in New York. Those protesting the practice pointed out that most of the people that are targeted are Black and Latino. It was a funny objection to make. Considering most of New York City is Black and Latino. Which then they used the argument of the practice and basing it on if it was randomly applied. Yet the practice wasn't randomly applied. Rather it was applied in High Crime areas which in New York tend to be disproportionately Black and Latino. Where I have already given you the stats on crime rates by races.
    But it being a moral question only strengthens the argument that the police are exhibiting systemic racism. Plus, I don't think your assertion about the demographics of NYC is accurate, according to the 2010 census, Whites made up 44.6%, Blacks 27%, and Hispanics 28.6%. (USC) However, moving on...in this study, it determined that..."The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more." (Ross) which puts it at odds with your original source. So, at this moment we have conflicting data sets in regards to the question of if there is systemic racism in the police, but based upon the additional sources I provided, it proves that systemic racism exists in police procedures.

    United States Census. 2010. 2010 Demographic Profile Data NYC. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning...sf1_dp_nyc.pdf
    Ross, Cody T. PLOS ONE. 2015. A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings... https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0141854
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh and btw Safety. Roland G Fryer Jr. is a Leftist. His study backs what Thomas Sowell says about Systemic or Institutionalization Racism by Cop against Blacks. Same with Larry Elder and MacDonald.



    He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.
    They examined 1,332 shootings between 2000 and 2015, coding police narratives to answer questions such as: How old was the suspect? How many police officers were at the scene? Were they mostly white? Was the officer at the scene for a robbery, violent activity, a traffic stop or something else? Was it nighttime? Did the officer shoot after being attacked or before a possible attack? One goal was to determine if police officers were quicker to fire at black suspects.


    In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both results undercut the idea of racial bias in police use of lethal force.


    But police shootings are only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t?
    To answer this, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there let the researchers look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer defined this group to include encounters with suspects the police subsequently charged with serious offenses like attempting to murder an officer, or evading or resisting arrest. He also considered suspects shocked with Tasers.


    Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black. This estimate was not precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in various models controlling for different factors and using different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.


    “It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard.....snip~
    I'm not interested in any appeals to authority, or other fallacies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    But it being a moral question only strengthens the argument that the police are exhibiting systemic racism. Plus, I don't think your assertion about the demographics of NYC is accurate, according to the 2010 census, Whites made up 44.6%, Blacks 27%, and Hispanics 28.6%. (USC) However, moving on...in this study, it determined that..."The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more." (Ross) which puts it at odds with your original source. So, at this moment we have conflicting data sets in regards to the question of if there is systemic racism in the police, but based upon the additional sources I provided, it proves that systemic racism exists in police procedures.

    United States Census. 2010. 2010 Demographic Profile Data NYC. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning...sf1_dp_nyc.pdf
    Ross, Cody T. PLOS ONE. 2015. A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings... https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0141854
    No it doesn't. It validates that criminal behavior not racism explains Racial disparities in Crime Stats. Oh and then there is more stats that debunk Cody Ross.

    Murder Rates by Race (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian Crime ...

    https://ways-to-die.com/murder-rates-race
    As mentioned already, black-on-black murder is more common than black-on-white, but this is also applicable with other races. Whites and hispanics are considerably more likely to kill members of their own race than to kill members of opposing races, suggesting that warnings of impending race wars are as unfounded as we all hoped.



    Black vs. White Crime Statistics - White Privilege Isn't ...

    https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics · Translate this page
    Black vs White Crime Statistics Conclusion It’s an uncomfortable truth but blacks commit crimes at nearly three times the rate that whites do. Blacks commit 36% of the violent crime in the US even though they are only 13% of the population.



    Criminal Behavior, Not Racism, Explains ‘Racial Disparities’ in Crime Stats


    But aren’t blacks routinely “racially profiled” by cops? Not according to the Police-Public Contact Survey. Produced every three years by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, the survey asks more than 60,000 people about their interactions with the police. It asks respondents’ to provide age, race and gender. It asks them whether they had any contact with the police in the last year; what was the experience like; how were your treated; was there a use of force and so on. Turns out, according to a September 2017 National Review article, black men and white men are about equally likely to have a contact with a cop in a given year. As to multiple contacts, defined as three or more with the police in a given year, 1.5 percent of blacks vs. 1.2 percent of whites fall in that category. Not much difference.



    A reasonable discussion about blacks and police practices cannot take place without acknowledging the disproportion amount of crime committed by blacks. According to the Department of Justice’s “Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties, 2009,” in the country’s 75 largest counties, blacks committed 62 percent of robberies, 45 percent of assaults and accounted for 57 percent of murder defendants.....snip~


    Based on these stats there is no Systemic racism by Cops on Blacks.


    Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites......snip~
    History does not long Entrust the care of Freedom, to the Weak or Timid!!!!! Dwight D. Eisenhower ~

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