Last edited by DGUtley; 06-06-2020 at 10:56 AM.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
stjames1_53 (06-06-2020)
Safety I choose this subject because you expressed support for Antifa and said wait till it happens to the NRA.
this is the definition of a terrorist group be it foreign or domestic.
The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.
Its my opinion the the NRA is not associated with this type of behavior , but Antifa is associated with such behavior.
I turn the floor over to you Safety .
First, we need to establish what constitutes "support". If by that you mean someone that does not engage in the same histrionics as seen by others whenever a name/subject they do not like is mentioned, then I would disagree with your premise and implore you to revise your accusation. If by "support" you mean that someone donates, condones, or agrees with their political stance, then no, I do not "support" Antifa.
My statement in the thread you referenced was posted to facilitate a comparison, not between actions of Antifa and the NRA, but between the arbitrary/subjective assignment of the label domestic terrorist to a group. Are we normalizing the issuance of such a proclamation from our executive branch simply because we align ourselves with the party in power, and when that party changes hands, are we confident enough in our government to accept them making the decision to label a group as such when it might occur to a group we "support"?
“Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”
- Jefferson Davis
You implyed that the NRA could be labeled a domestic terriost group . please explain what acts they have been involved in that could result in that happing compared to the actions of Antifa .
The floor is yours .
Basically it would be like trying to label bird watching as an organization. Yes, there are bird-watching organizations as there are Antifa organizations but neither bird-watching nor Antifa is an organization. That's one hurdle. The second is trying to understand how authorities can use the Immigration and Nationality Act to designate a group as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization," and they can try to use Executive Order 13224, which expanded the ability to apply the terrorism label in the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but for this label, they would need proof of foreign operations, such as training camps or foreign leadership, neither of which would apply to anti-fascist organizations. Antifa would also have to show a clear and present danger to national security interests, which would be a stretch by any definition.
“Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”
- Jefferson Davis
Um, somewhere in this thread, did somebody point out that antifa doesn't even exist? Except in Moscow troll farms?