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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Sweden, which never had a real lock down, is averaging about 10 COVID deaths per day. Proving what many already knew: The lock downs are a gigantic fraud.
    It is called herd immunity.

    Sweden is now free to let their economy boom. These slow cures to lessen the pain create more pain. Just like Obama trying to protect us with his crap Burger King economy.
    Last edited by carolina73; 08-04-2020 at 04:25 PM.

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    No wonder the Lame Stream Media has been taking their frustrations out on Sweden. Upsets their Narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    It is called herd immunity.

    Sweden is now free to let their economy boom. These slow cures to lessen the pain create more pain. Just like Obama trying to protect us with his crap Burger King economy.
    Don't expect much economic performance from Sweden. They have non-Covid related problems with their economy. Namely paying social welfare benefits to North African and South West Asian migrants who have zero intention of becoming Swedish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    The number of recorded cases only represent a small fraction of the total number of cases. What don't you understand about that?
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    Now Sweden isn't pimping out the mask narrative. Not even for riding on trains or buses.
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    Sweden just keeps on proving liberals wrong about everything.



    Since late July, Sweden has been averaging about 2 COVID deaths per day.

    Sweden has defeated the virus. And they did it without lockdowns, mask mandates, or other wacky authoritarian measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Or because the virus was never as dangerous as the "experts" made it out to be.
    233,000 dead.Yea, not dangerous.

    Sweden's success:
    https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

    The Swedish COVID-19 experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population has been hotly debated around the world, but at this point we can predict it is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering. As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino). But perhaps more striking are the findings of a study published Oct. 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which pointed out that, of the countries the researchers investigated, Sweden and the U.S. essentially make up a category of two: they are the only countries with high overall mortality rates that failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic progressed.
    Last edited by Captdon; 10-24-2020 at 02:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The number of recorded cases only represent a small fraction of the total number of cases. What don't you understand about that?
    The total number of cases cannot be known if they aren't recorded.

    Or if they can, what is the frequency, Kenneth?
    Last edited by Lummy; 10-24-2020 at 02:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    It is called herd immunity.

    Sweden is now free to let their economy boom. These slow cures to lessen the pain create more pain. Just like Obama trying to protect us with his crap Burger King economy.


    Herd immunity didn't work for these:
    Cholera
    Vaxchora
    Diphtheria
    HepatitisA
    Hepatitis B
    Measles
    Pertussis
    Pneumococcal
    Polio
    Rabies
    Rotavirus
    Rubella
    Shingles
    Smallpox
    Tetanus
    Tuberculosis
    Typhoid
    Yellow Fever

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents...pertussis.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Sweden's death rate has totally bottomed out. And the number of cases is also coming down.

    Sweden has obviously reached herd immunity.

    And no disaster befell them. The hysterics were wrong about everything. The lockdowns were absolutely not necessary.
    Sweden has not come close to reaching herd immunity. The graph you present appears to show evidence of herd immunity but that is insufficient information. It only provides information on

    daily deaths versus time. An August study published around August 12, 2020 in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine found that 15% of the Stockholm population had antibodies to

    covid-19 and I assume that the percentage of people in the rural areas and smaller cities would have lower rates of antibody protection. Not everyone with antibodies is immune to covid-19,

    since those that developed mild or asymptomatic cases often don't develop a sufficient antibody response to be immune. There is no reason why the number of daily deaths could not turn

    upwards again in a second wave since herd immunity has not been achieved.

    I have a problem with the use of the word "lockdown". What does it mean? The U.S. did not have a lockdown on the scale that occurred in Italy or China. People in the U.S. could leave their

    homes during the late March to early May time frame and many did not wear masks or practice social distancing. Sweden didn't have a lockdown but they did promote social distancing and

    activities that discouraged large gatherings. Many individuals worked from home.

    There is no reason to believe that the "lockdowns" were a gigantic fraud. One must examine all of the lockdowns throughout the world and determine what success each had and what the

    conditions were for each one. Some lockdowns were successful. One should not jump to conclusions based on a single country and 1 graph.

    The U.S "lockdown" would have been more successful if it was done earlier and on a nationwide level, some rural areas could have been excluded where there was no evidence of the virus.

    After the lockdown it would have been necessary to maintain CDC guidelines until a large percentage of the population had immunity through a vaccine.
    Last edited by skepticalmike; 10-24-2020 at 04:18 PM.

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