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[skepticalmike]

Ignoring non-random processes in evolution is also denying microevolution - evolution within a species or small group of individuals usually over a short period of time.

Even young earth creationists accept microevolution.

[JAG]

You are ignoring the fact of natural selection.

You are ignoring my many points and re-stating your
Faith Beliefs in your Religion Of Evolution.

You keep restating falsehoods

My view is that you keep restating falsehoods.

and I explain science.

Incorrect.
You explain your Faith Beliefs in your Religion Of Evolution.
And you ignore all the MANY points I have made in this thread
that demonstrate your Religion Of Evolution to be irrational,
unreasonable, and illogical.

If all of your points rest on a false premise then they are all flawed.

Your points rest on your Faith Beliefs within your Religion Of Evolution
and are flawed. They are unreasonable, illogical, and irrational.

I don't view this as an atheist vs. Christian thread.

Disagree.
This is an atheist vs. Christian exchange.
You have already, in this thread, come out clear against
God and against Christianity and FOR your atheism.

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It is more of as a science vs. anti-science thread.

No.
Just because YOU claim to have Science on your side
does not mean that you actually do have science on
your side. What I have presented in this thread is very
reasonable and is NOT far-fetched at all. You have
FAILED to explain my MANY points in this thread.
And I can go get them and present them to you
AGAIN --- and I will do that if I have to.

But my recommendation is for us to just agree to end
it here, because I am not going to budge one fraction
of an inch off of my firm strong belief that you are
presenting your Faith Beliefs within your Religion Of
Evolution. Neither am I going to budge one fraction
of an inch off my MANY points that you FAILED to
refute --- and instead merely re-stated your Faith
Beliefs in Evolution.

And I am pretty certain that you are not going to
budge a fraction of an inch off of your Faith Beliefs.

So maybe you can find somebody else to chat with
regarding your Religion Of Evolution.

So I think we're just about done here, don't
you think we are?


JAG

[JAG]

Ignoring non-random processes in evolution is also denying microevolution -
evolution within a species or small group of individuals usually over a short
period of time.
Even young earth creationists accept microevolution.

It is, in my view, absurd and irrational to believe that non-intelligent Time
plus non-intelligent Chance plus non-intelligent Matter could have assembled
a "highly complex working Rolex watch" , , ,

If you can believe that non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent Chance plus
non-intelligent Matter could have assembled the "highly complex human eye"
and the "highly complex human brain" , , ,

, , , Then you can just as easily believe that non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent
Chance plus non-intelligent Matter assembled a "highly complex working Rolex Watch" , , ,

You are depending on , , ,

non-intelligent Time , , ,
non-intelligent Chance , , ,
non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , , to do your creating and assembling . . .

This is absurd, irrational, and illogical because non-intelligent entities cannot
create and assemble highly complex entities.



The Atheist Fred Hoyle's Boeing 747 , , , ,

My view is that Fred Hoyle's quote that said, in effect, that the notion that human
life could have assembled itself through non-intelligent natural processes
using non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent Chance plus non-intelligent
Matter "is no greater that the chance that a hurricane sweeping through a
scrapyard, would have the luck to assemble a Boeing 747."

That last paragraph deserves to be enhanced . . . lets use color to enhance it , , ,

My view is that Fred Hoyle's quote that said, in effect, that
the notion that human life, could have assembled itself
through non-intelligent natural processes using
non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent Chance
plus non-intelligent Matter "is no greater that the chance
that a hurricane sweeping through a scrapyard, would
have the luck to assemble a Boeing 747."

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Boeing 747 , , ,

What do you think are the chances and odds that a hurricane sweeping through
a large airplane scrapyard that had all the parts of a Boeing 747 laying here and
there --- would assemble a Boeing 747 ? Just think about how complex is the wiring
in a Boeing 747 and all the hundreds of screws and other fasteners that would be needed.
Just think how complex would be the "dashboard" of that Boeing 747 with all the
intricate instruments , , ,

, , , it is no wonder that many Theists have said that Evolution functions, for all
practical purposes, as a Secular Religion that is held tenaciously by Faith.


It requires a HUGE amount of Faith to believe that non-intelligent Time plus
non-intelligent Chance plus non-intelligent Matter assembled the "highly
complex human eye" and the "highly complex human brain" , , ,


Best.

JAG

[skepticalmike]

I am just about done. You shouldn't have an opinion on evolution until you have studied the subject and understand it. If you reject natural selection than all of the diversity of life

would have to be explained by constant intervention by an intelligent designer. It would have to be done in such a way to as to make it appear like

evolution occurred naturally on such a scale as to confuse biologists. That is because what we observe from the geography of life, embryology, anatomy, and genomes is all organisms is

consistent with evolution occurring naturally.

Why are some humans born with tails? 80% of olfactory receptor genes in dolphins are inactivated because they don't need them. They

don't need to detect volatile odors in the air like their terrestrial ancestors. Those genes, like all genes, must be favored by natural selection or mutations will accumulate and they will

be deactivated, becoming pseudogenes. Birds still have the genes to produce teeth but don't because a single protein is missing. The ancestors of birds had teeth. There are many examples

like this such as vestigial eyes in burrowing animals and cave dwellers.

[JAG]

I am just about done.

I think it is time to end our chat on Evolution.
This thread is not even on the subject of Evolution.
Perhaps you can write an OP and start a thread on Evolution.
Thank you for your comments and for your contributions
to the thread. Also you have my Best Regards and Best
Wishes.

You shouldn't have an opinion on evolution until you
have studied the subject and understand it.

I understand all I want to understand about the Religion Of Evolution.
My view is that Evolution is a Faith Based Belief and a Secular Religion.

If you reject natural selection than all of the diversity of life would
have to be explained by constant intervention by an intelligent designer.

I DO reject natural selection which is another name for the Religion
Of Evolution. I DO believe in an Intelligent Designer who created
Human Beings and the Earth and the Universe and I DO believe
this Intelligent Designer constantly intervenes in His creation and
that He "keeps it on course" so to speak.

confuse biologists

My view is "biologists" are the High Priests of the Religion Of Evolution
and as such they may indeed be confused about many things that they
presently believe themselves to know for certain.

I do not speak for God, but for all I know God Almighty may be
deliberately working in such a way that confuses biologists, since
it appears that most of them reject exercising faith in the God that
created them and have turned to one or more of the following
21st century false gods known as , , , ,

~ Secular Intellectualism
~ Secularized Logic
~ Secularized Empiricism
~ Rationalism
~ Secularized Science
~ Secular Humanism
~ Atheism

Back to God deliberately confusing your anti-faith-anti-God secular biologists , , ,
"For this **reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie."
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Note: The **reason was stated in the verse prior to 2 Thess. 2:11
which said "They perish because they refused to love the truth and
so be saved." So? So this was the reason that God sent them "strong
delusion" so they would believe lies. God will sometimes give you
what you DEMAND to have. One needs to be very careful
regarding what one uses his Free Will to choose to believe or
not to believe.

As I said, I do not speak for God and I do not know that He has deliberately confused
your biologists, or not. I DO know that the God of the Bible has, in the past, deliberately
sent "powerful delusion" to His enemies who had made a locked-down Free Will decision
to stand AGAINST Him and His plans for His Human Race Project.

You shouldn't have an opinion on evolution until you
have studied the subject and understand it.

All I need to konw about your Religion Of Evolution is this below , , ,

It is, in my view, absurd and irrational to believe that non-intelligent Time
plus non-intelligent Chance plus non-intelligent Matter could have assembled
a "highly complex working Rolex watch" , , ,

If you can believe that non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent Chance plus
non-intelligent Matter could have assembled the "highly complex human eye"
and the "highly complex human brain" , , ,

, , , Then you can just as easily believe that non-intelligent Time plus non-intelligent
Chance plus non-intelligent Matter assembled a "highly complex working Rolex Watch" , , ,

You are depending on , , ,

non-intelligent Time , , ,
non-intelligent Chance , , ,
non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , , to do your creating and assembling . . .

This is absurd, irrational, and illogical because non-intelligent entities cannot
create and assemble highly complex entities.


Best.

JAG