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    Large Increase In Number Of Sunshine Hours Likely Behind Warming, Glacier Retreat In

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    Large Increase In Number Of Sunshine Hours Likely Behind Warming, Glacier Retreat In Alps Since 1980

    By P Gosselin on 9. August 2020

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    Günther Aigner released a German video with the title “Die Alpengletscher im Klimawandel: Status quo“ (The Alps glaciers in climate change: status quo).Hat-tip: Die kalte Sonne
    Today global warming alarmists insist blaming climate change on man-made CO2 emissions. Yet, everywhere we look it’s difficult to find any correlation between CO2 and warming. Pre-industrial history shows that changes in CO2 in fact followed temperature changes.
    Today we look at some climate charts of the European upper Ostalpen to look for hints what may be behind the warming since the late 20th century. We know glaciers there have been receding over the recent decades.
    First is a mean temperature chart of the region for the May to September period going back 133 years:

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    The Bogeyman CO2 can't be everywhere doing everything, it needs help from other causes.
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    It's possible to manipulate climate locally. I think they like to call it "micromanagement". This might be what they're doing so that they can show "proof" in a lie for their lie that something drastic needs to be done -- like either halt industrial production and turn control over to academia's social engineers, who up to this point have been a failure because much of what they do is a lie, or kill you; or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    Yet, everywhere we look it’s difficult to find any correlation between CO2 and warming.
    Aside from temperature steadily going up as CO2 steadily goes up, which is kind of the definition of correlation.
    Pre-industrial history shows that changes in CO2 in fact followed temperature changes.
    "The present must act like the past, even if circumstances are different" fallacy. The rest is a cherrypicking fallacy, looking at a single spot on earth and ignoring the rest. There's no major change in cloudiness for the whole earth, so sunniness can't be used to explain warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Aside from temperature steadily going up as CO2 steadily goes up, which is kind of the definition of correlation. "The present must act like the past, even if circumstances are different" fallacy. The rest is a cherrypicking fallacy, looking at a single spot on earth and ignoring the rest. There's no major change in cloudiness for the whole earth, so sunniness can't be used to explain warming.

    Correlation claims isn't validated science, you have been told this fact before, yet you go on with the usual baloney.


    CO2 is going up regardless of temperature changes, no warming for several years now, yet CO2 still going up significantly.

    CO2 warm forcing is logarithmic, with less and less forcing, as the PMM goes up into the future.


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    Tiny warming this decade, that is about to vanish as La Nina is showing up.

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    Significant cooling the last 5 years, with more in the forecast as La Nina is looming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    Correlation claims isn't validated science,
    Not the point. Your source said there was no correlation, which was a blatantly false statement. That destroys the credibility of your source.

    CO2 is going up regardless of temperature changes, no warming for several years now,
    That's another false statement, this one by you. The earth is clearly steadily warming, as the ocean temperatures indicate. The fact that air temperatures don't set a new record high each year doesn't mean the earth isn't warming.

    CO2 warm forcing is logarithmic, with less and less forcing, as the PMM goes up into the future.
    Correct, but we're still on the linear portion of the response curve.

    Significant cooling the last 5 years,
    Lunacy. 2020 is running neck and neck with the record high 2016. And 2016 had a strong El Nino, which 2020 lacks.

    with more in the forecast as La Nina is looming.
    And why, with a La Nina, are 2020 temps the same as the 2016 El Nino year? It's because of the warming trend underneath the noise. The next El Nino year will shatter the old record.
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    Mamooth writes with zero quotes in his opinionated answer style:

    Not the point. Your source said there was no correlation, which was a blatantly false statement. That destroys the credibility of your source.

    From the link that explains your unsupported opinionated answer to be misleading:

    "Today global warming alarmists insist blaming climate change on man-made CO2 emissions. Yet, everywhere we look it’s difficult to find any correlation between CO2 and warming. Pre-industrial history shows that changes in CO2 in fact followed temperature changes."



    Later in the link you didn't read:


    "As the above chart shows, the sun has shined considerably more over the recent decades than it used to in the 1970s, or late 19th century. Today the region sees about a whopping 200 hours more sunshine than 120 years ago! More sunshine would mean more warmth.

    The plot of sunshine hours indeed looks awfully similar to the plot depicting mean temperatures."


    LOL


    That's another false statement, this one by you. The earth is clearly steadily warming, as the ocean temperatures indicate. The fact that air temperatures don't set a new record high each year doesn't mean the earth isn't warming.



    The temperature charts I posted shows your statement to be false, heck YOU posted zero evidence to support your claim. There has been ZERO warming trend since 2016, it is actually COOLING a little, that is a fact YOU ignored, meanwhile CO2 goes up every year while there is no warming trend for nearly 5 years, and very little in 10 years. That is a fact.


    Lunacy. 2020 is running neck and neck with the record high 2016. And 2016 had a strong El Nino, which 2020 lacks.


    You read my second chart poorly it shows that currently it is about ,47C, while it was .92C in 2016, this means it has COOLED about .5C in 5 years.

    Quiz, which number is bigger?

    .92C in 2016

    or

    .47C in 2020


    Mamooth badly stumbles here:

    And why, with a La Nina, are 2020 temps the same as the 2016 El Nino year? It's because of the warming trend underneath the noise. The next El Nino year will shatter the old record.


    I stated this, YOU replied to, "
    Significant cooling the last 5 years, with more in the forecast as La Nina is looming."

    LOOMING, which means it is near the level of a minimum La Nina, which has not happened yet.

    Work on your reading comprehension!



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    Here is the July to July CO2 data map, from the NOAA




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    Looking at these charts, you couldn't tell if it was warming or cooling the last 5 years. The second Temperature chart at post 4 shows a significant cooling since 2016, but the CO2 rate increase remains almost unchanged in the same 5 years.

    Your statement from post 3 doesn't support your position:

    Aside from temperature steadily going up as CO2 steadily goes up, which is kind of the definition of correlation.

    Not even close.


    Epic fail!
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