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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Do you believe you have the right to force others to labor on your behalf?
    No!

    But if you do work and do make a lot of money, the Government can impose high taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Overall, hundreds of thousands of lives are lost each year from preventable causes. Sadly millionaires are not interested in sharing.
    You think it is right to steal from others because they earn more? When do you stop? When it is all gone? Why is my house used as collateral for a business that I have worked a almost 40 year carreer for? Why don't all the producers just go work at McDonald's or collect from the government if you just want to steal it?

    I just want you to see the other side of the coin and the effect of your socialism. Under your plan, i will just close the business, send everyone home and go work at Wal-Mart. Why would I take risk? Why would I work harder? Why would I do anything but the minimum possible?

    What you are proposing is worse than socialism and communism because under those systems the risk goes to the government.

    You can't promote theft just because you think it will benefit you and expect to win a debate. You should think if you really want to be known as a person that wants to do that.

    BTW. I worked in Europe for a couple years. They see the US as the promised land. I believe that you said your parents brought you here. They came for a better system not for you or them to destroy our system and make it like the failed system that serves you and a small percentage of the people. 55% of the Scandinavian population is on anti-depressants because of the system that you are promoting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    You think it is right to steal from others because they earn more? When do you stop? When it is all gone? Why is my house used as collateral for a business that I have worked a almost 40 year carreer for? Why don't all the producers just go work at McDonald's or collect from the government if you just want to steal it?

    I just want you to see the other side of the coin and the effect of your socialism. Under your plan, i will just close the business, send everyone home and go work at Wal-Mart. Why would I take risk? Why would I work harder? Why would I do anything but the minimum possible?
    I do not have any plan. Experts in Scandinavia designed a working system. It took decades of work by thousands of experts.

    People who can not work, yet need medical help also have a Right to Life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I do not have any plan. Experts in Scandinavia designed a working system. It took decades of work by thousands of experts.

    People who can not work, yet need medical help also have a Right to Life.
    Scandinavians are changing their minds on their social welfare schemes. Now that they have been flooded by migrants from North Africa and Southwest Asia, they no longer have the desire to pay high taxes to provide free stuff for others.

    They were fine with it before the mass migrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Scandinavians are changing their minds on their social welfare schemes. Now that they have been flooded by migrants from North Africa and Southwest Asia, they no longer have the desire to pay high taxes to provide free stuff for others.

    They were fine with it before the mass migrations.
    Sad but true.

    In my opinion, all Humans in the World deserve food, shelter, and medical care. Everyone, like my family in 1983, wants to live in a high-income country.

    As economy and technology advance, Universal Well-Being becomes more possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Sad but true. In my opinion, all Humans in the World deserve food, shelter, and medical care. Everyone, like my family in 1983, wants to live in a high-income country. As economy and technology advance, Universal Well-Being becomes more possible.
    Everyone wants to live in a high handout country, you mean?

    Do you work? Have you tried? When? You can push a broom? Dig a ditch? By the way - I did all of that before I became a lawyer.
    Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes​

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Sad but true.

    In my opinion, all Humans in the World deserve food, shelter, and medical care. Everyone, like my family in 1983, wants to live in a high-income country.

    As economy and technology advance, Universal Well-Being becomes more possible.
    Except these new migrants intend to disrupt and destroy society rather than to assimilate into it. The Scandinavians should round them up and expel them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    It is not about being the "PC Police". You are probably far more "PC " than I have ever been. Your posts in this thread demonstrate that very clearly.

    It has everything to do with the rights of property/business owner to decide who is going to be employed by him and represent his company, and by extension, represent him both on and off the job. If that "single mother" (feeble attempt to play on emotion there) engages in activities that reflect poorly on the business, the business owner, and the other employees of that business, the owner should have every right to end his association with her. What happens to her after that is a direct result of the decisions SHE made and the person who terminated her should feel no remorse for having done so.

    You can play this holier than thou game and it may work on some people, but it's bull$#@! and unfortunately for you, I recognize it as bull$#@!.
    You are 100% WRONG, and I am 100% right.
    No grey areas.
    No one should lose their job over something they do after work at their own home and on their own time.

    Common sense and TRUTH are on my side.

    This is why you are 100% wrong.

    No one should be fired because they do not agree with your thoughts on how they should behave after work.

    100% wrong...this is very clear to everyone and anyone except you.

    You want to live in a society where 100% of their time is monitored and bad things can happen to them if you happen to disagree with what they do.

    Nope...a free world and a free people do not abide by those thoughts you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Everyone wants to live in a high handout country, you mean?

    Do you work? Have you tried? When? You can push a broom? Dig a ditch? By the way - I did all of that before I became a lawyer.
    After I retired from the Navy and while I was going to school in the evenings, I worked as a loss prevention agent (store detective), courthouse guard (both those jobs paid around $5 an hour), copy shop manager, alarm company monitor, swimming pool repair estimator and later stock boy, and glass company dispatcher. I had zero experience at any of those jobs and certainly no interest in making any of them my career, but they represented paychecks, so I did what I had to do.

    I remember one day I was driving home from the alarm company job; I was in a really good mood because they'd just given me a sizable raise (all the way up 9-something an hour) and there was a guy who looked to be in his early thirties sitting beside the side of the road with a sign that said "VETERAN, OUT OF WORK, FAMILY TO SUPPORT, ANYTHING WILL HELP, GOD BLESS". I had a full tank of gas and a $10 bill in my wallet that I had no immediate need of, so I thought, "Wouldn't it be great if I just stopped and gave that $10 to this guy?"

    As the traffic inched forward I got to thinking about my own situation just a couple of weeks before. I'd been let go from the pool company job because my supervisor was clearly uncomfortable being in charge of someone almost twice his age and took every opportunity to fabricate "problems" with my work. Of course I had obtained another job in a matter of a week or so, but the feeling of being fired and suddenly jobless stayed with me for a good while. I was staring at the man's sign, and it occurred to me, "Hey, that was me a week ago - veteran, out of work, family to support." And I didn't make a cardboard sign and sit beside the road asking for a handout - I went out and found another damn job. Needless to add, the $10 stayed where it was, and I would do the same today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    You are 100% WRONG, and I am 100% right.
    No grey areas.
    No one should lose their job over something they do after work at their own home and on their own time.

    Common sense and TRUTH are on my side.

    This is why you are 100% wrong.

    No one should be fired because they do not agree with your thoughts on how they should behave after work.

    100% wrong...this is very clear to everyone and anyone except you.

    You want to live in a society where 100% of their time is monitored and bad things can happen to them if you happen to disagree with what they do.

    Nope...a free world and a free people do not abide by those thoughts you have.
    Oh, bull$#@!. Look, you said something stupid and now you don't know how to dig your way out. I get it.

    Just stop digging yourself in deeper.

    An employer should be able to terminate anyone for any reason or no reason. The owner of the company doesn't work for you. You work for him. If he doesn't want you working for him any longer, for whatever reason, he should be able to fire you without repercussion. If you are stupid enough to go on social media and say things that reflect poorly on him or his company, he would be stupid not to fire you. That is just a self inflicted gunshot wound on your part.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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