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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I had to laugh the first time I heard Jeff Foxworthy talking about being "macaroni and cheese broke" and "rolling pennies for gas broke" - because I've been both, several times. Once my wife and I had no groceries in the apartment but a box of Bisquick, some cans of sweet corn and a bottle of ketchup and we ate corn fritters with ketchup for a week till payday.

    When I was a kid I used to think my grandparents were sort of stingy and overly careful with their money, but later I learned about the Great Depression - they were married in 1929 - and how desperate conditions were for so many people back then. They remembered those times and in some ways it always stayed with them. To a much lesser degree, but still in a real sense, when we think back on lean times when we didn't have a lot of comforts and no disposable income to speak of, I think it inspires many of us to try to safeguard what we have and be more appreciative of what we're able to get through our own work.

    It was expected that you were pretty much broke in your twenties unless you were single maybe. We used to buy 7 dinners at the grocery store. None of this just throwing stuff in the cart ! Did anyone else ever "play the float" with their rent check?
    Last edited by donttread; 09-18-2020 at 08:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    In @Cletus's world, it is not just opposing political opinions. It is anything he does not that you do on your own time, at your own home or anywhere else you might be when not at work.

    Anything he thinks ..." reflects badly " on his business. A definition only he gets to define.

    You go to a movie he disapproves of = FIRED
    A young man goes to a titty bar and sticks a few dollar bills in a few G-strings = FIRED
    Put an opposition candidate's sign in your yard = FIRED
    He just finding you are of a religion he does not approve of = FIRED
    He just finding out you have no religion = FIRED

    Anything under the sun he can define as " reflects badly on his business ". Anything at all.

    This list can go on indefinitely. Anything he does not like you doing on your own time and in your own home or anywhere else while off work, he thinks he can use an an excuse to fire you.

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    Fortunately, we have money hungry lawyers that will make him regret firing anyone for some ludicrous decision.
    There are also state agencies on your side too.

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    I had a boss like this once and I did not even have to hire a lawyer. The Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission took the case for me. Netted me a nice little UNDI$CLO$ED $UM.

    They had to hire me back, and also give me back pay for the time he fired me until the day I started back to work. Then when he tried retaliation, it cost him big. You see they monitor employers like him and @Cletus.

    So, you see, @Cletus may think he is justified in firing anyone for any reason, but after the act, and the EX-employee goes to the State EEO board, they will investigate it, and his arrogance will cost him an UNDI$CLO$ED $UM. In addition to back pay from the date of firing.


    This is what happens when you willfully break the law as an employer.

    See the above post... This is what happens when you ignore the First Rule of Holes.

    You should have stopped several posts ago. Now, all you have done is throw off your Conservative cloak and shown everyone just how Progressive you actually are.

    Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It was expected that you were pretty much broke in your twenties unless you were single maybe. We used to buy 7 dinners at the grocery store. None of this just throwing stuff in the cart ! Did anyone else ever "play the float" with their rent check?
    Not sure about that, but I do remember having every credit card maxed out except for the Sears card and walking through the store looking for anything that was edible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    In @Cletus's world, it is not just opposing political opinions. It is anything he does not that you do on your own time, at your own home or anywhere else you might be when not at work.

    Anything he thinks ..." reflects badly " on his business. A definition only he gets to define.

    You go to a movie he disapproves of = FIRED
    A young man goes to a titty bar and sticks a few dollar bills in a few G-strings = FIRED
    Put an opposition candidate's sign in your yard = FIRED
    He just finding you are of a religion he does not approve of = FIRED
    He just finding out you have no religion = FIRED

    Anything under the sun he can define as " reflects badly on his business ". Anything at all.

    This list can go on indefinitely. Anything he does not like you doing on your own time and in your own home or anywhere else while off work, he thinks he can use an an excuse to fire you.

    ************************************************** *********
    Fortunately, we have money hungry lawyers that will make him regret firing anyone for some ludicrous decision.
    There are also state agencies on your side too.

    ************************************************
    I had a boss like this once and I did not even have to hire a lawyer. The Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission took the case for me. Netted me a nice little UNDI$CLO$ED $UM.

    They had to hire me back, and also give me back pay for the time he fired me until the day I started back to work. Then when he tried retaliation, it cost him big. You see they monitor employers like him and @Cletus.

    So, you see, @Cletus may think he is justified in firing anyone for any reason, but after the act, and the EX-employee goes to the State EEO board, they will investigate it, and his arrogance will cost him an UNDI$CLO$ED $UM. In addition to back pay from the date of firing.


    This is what happens when you willfully break the law as an employer.
    As I said, the employee has recourse, unless their activity can be proven to have damaged the employer in some fashion. For example, if the employee says things on FB that cause the employer's clients or customers to suddenly withdraw their business, then the employer would have legitimate grounds for dismissal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    As I said, the employee has recourse, unless their activity can be proven to have damaged the employer in some fashion. For example, if the employee says things on FB that cause the employer's clients or customers to suddenly withdraw their business, then the employer would have legitimate grounds for dismissal.

    They sure would. No problem there.

    It is when they get arbitrary and petty for no decent reason at all, they have their asses handed to them.

    As it should be.
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    If we had no hate speech then there be no reason to have law protecting freedom of speech. If people don't want to hear a person that they don't agree with, simply walk away, change the channel, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    As I said, the employee has recourse, unless their activity can be proven to have damaged the employer in some fashion. For example, if the employee says things on FB that cause the employer's clients or customers to suddenly withdraw their business, then the employer would have legitimate grounds for dismissal.
    That really depends on what state you live and how dumb you are as an employer.
    Many states are at will employment. That means you just tell them they are not needed anymore. You never give them a reason and you do not owe them one. The only thing effected is the unemployment claim of the employee from just being fired. Just don't be dumb and try to give them a excuse or give them a compassionate reason because everything can be held against you and will. Your employment is no longer required. Thank You. If they push for a reason then you just say we are not allowed to discuss reasons.
    I usually waited for a slower month so I could always fall back on workforce reduction. There is not requirement to use seniority. The only time you run into problems is with Affirmative Action qualified workers and that is why you avoid hiring them. Unintended consequences that the Democrats created.
    Remember when hiring older employees used to be a great grab of experience? Now it is seen as a handicap and most older employees, have to become consultants or agents when they lose their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post
    They sure would. No problem there.

    It is when they get arbitrary and petty for no decent reason at all, they have their asses handed to them.

    As it should be.
    Progressives seem to have a problem recognizing that the company they work for belongs to the owner, not to them.

    Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    That really depends on what state you live and how dumb you are as an employer.
    Many states are at will employment. That means you just tell them they are not needed anymore. You never give them a reason and you do not owe them one. The only thing effected is the unemployment claim of the employee from just being fired. Just don't be dumb and try to give them a excuse or give them a compassionate reason because everything can be held against you and will. Your employment is no longer required. Thank You. If they push for a reason then you just say we are not allowed to discuss reasons.
    I usually waited for a slower month so I could always fall back on workforce reduction. There is not requirement to use seniority. The only time you run into problems is with Affirmative Action qualified workers and that is why you avoid hiring them. Unintended consequences that the Democrats created.
    Remember when hiring older employees used to be a great grab of experience? Now it is seen as a handicap and most older employees, have to become consultants or agents when they lose their jobs.
    Actually all states are at will employment, but 36 states now recognize implied contract as an exception to at will employment. Implied contract occurs when employers make promises like yearly wage increases at the interview stage, suggests advancement or continued employment based on good performance reviews or has company handbooks that imply a contractual relationship between employees and employer. Needless to say, if an employee signs an employment contract with an employer, then the relationship is completely contractual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barb012 View Post
    If we had no hate speech then there be no reason to have law protecting freedom of speech. If people don't want to hear a person that they don't agree with, simply walk away, change the channel, etc.
    That is very true. The First Amendment wasn't created for popular speech.
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