Some Thoughts On The Religion Of Evolution

[JAG]

Your religious faith in your god being is not
comparable to my reasonable expectations regarding Science.
PS
You have no right to assign me a to a god being.
Especially your god being.
Even your god being teaches that that is wrong.

Thank you for your comments.

My view is there is no such thing as an atheist.

My view is that atheism is a Religion and I therefore
often speak about the Religion Of Atheism.

One reason is this , ,

Henry , , ,
~ Henry claims to be an atheist.
~ There is nothing in Henry's world that is Higher than Henry.
~ Henry has a god.
~ The name of Henry's god is Henry.
~ Henry is his own Supreme Being.
~ Henry therefore has a religion.
~ The name of Henry's Religion is Henryism.
~ Also known as the Religion Of Atheism.


And by the way I do not say that you claim to be an atheist.
I do not know how you self-identify.

Back to rights , , ,

I have a right to hold to my personal views and opinions and
to present them for your consideration.

You have a right to refuse to read them and/or to refuse to believe
they are true.

I will not, and do not, ever seek to force my views on another,
I merely present them for the consideration of anyone interested in
reading them.

There is no logical reasons why you need to care one way or the
other about what I personally believe on the issues of , ,
~ There is no such thing as an atheist.
~ The Religion Of Atheism

You can hold to what you believe and I can hold to what I believe.

My view is there is no such thing as an atheist.

My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them.
I have strong Biblical reasons for believing this to be true.

Here they are , , ,

Romans 1:19-20
Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about
God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to
them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible
qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse."

Note the particulars in Romans 1:19-20
{1) There is information that can be known about God.
{2} This information is plain to men.
{3} God Himself has made it plain to them.
{4} It has been plain to them since the creation of the world.
{5} God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen
{6} All this in understood from what God created.
{7} Therefore men are without excuse {for not believing in God.}

Romans 1:19-20 is the germ principle of the Teleological Argument
for the existence of God -- the argument from the Intelligent Design
of the Human Person, the Earth-Sun-Moon-Stars, and the Universe.

Psalm 19:1-4 , , ,
Psalm 19:1-4 says , , ,
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."

Note the particulars in Psalm 19:1-4
{1} The Heavens declare God's glory.
{2} The skies above proclaim His works
{3} Day after day they speak of God's creative work
{4} Night after night they reveal God's works
{5} They use no literal word but their voice goes out worldwide
{6} Therefore all men KNOW there is a God

Just because some men claim they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God, in Romans, and in
other Bible verses, says there is no such thing as an atheist.
As a Christian I have a clear choice:
{1} I can believe what God says
{2} I can believe what mere men claim to be true.

I choose to believe {1}
{see list of those 5 Bible references below}

Romans 1:18
Romans 1:18 says that humans "suppress the truth." Atheists
are part of humanity, so Romans 1:18 applies to them also.

Romans 2:15 , , ,
Romans 2:15 says the requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts." So all men know there is a God that
created them.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 , , ,
Ecclesiastes 3:11 says , , ,
"He has also set eternity in the human heart"

Five Biblical References , , ,
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11


Best.

JAG


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[JAG]

Do you believe that human beings have always existed
in their present form, or that we have evolved from other
hominid beings over a long period of time?

I do believe that humans have always existed in their
present form until it is demonstrated with Empirical
Evidence that rises to the certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4
that they did not.

Here is where I have to repeat a portion of my OP.

My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

My view is that it has not been proven that Evolution , ,

, , eventually produced a situation where our ancestors crawled
up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial Soup, at first just a
tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime, later to become the
size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog or Whatever They Say It Was
later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become a "George W. Bush."

There is, at present, no clearer way to state what I believe other than
to repeat what I wrote in my OP.

Do you believe that Science, in attempting to theorize about
how life began, are somehow threatening the faith of those
who believe that God was responsible?

I don't know for certain.
There are some 2.4 billion Christians in the world.
Some of them may be "weak in their faith" and they
may "feel threatened" by the claims of Evolutionists?
I do not know for certain if they do or not.

If scientists could prove in a laboratory that life
could come from inanimate matter, would you
stop believing in God?

No.
That would increase my faith in God.
My view is that God was the Original Scientist
and that He has Huge-Enormous Scientific Plans
yet ahead for His Human Race Project.

I do not fear true science.

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

How God did it is interesting but it has zero to do with out faith
in God.


Best.

JAG

[JAG]

Do you believe that human beings have always existed in
their present form, or that we have evolved from other
hominid beings over a long period of time?
Do you believe that Science, in attempting to theorize
about how life began, are somehow threatening the
faith of those who believe that God was responsible?
If scientists could prove in a laboratory that life could
come from inanimate matter, would you stop believing
in God?

`Here is an interesting quote off the web. I do not
say this is correct. I stand on my OP.

Start quote.
"I think evolution is the most likely and most accurate (though not
definitive or entirely accurate) depiction of the process as it occurred
in our reality. But I am ultimately a creationist. It seems most likely to
me that the Creation Story depicted in The Bible is from the spiritual
perspective and attempting to describe the process in those terms.


From our perspective (had we been conscious to witness it) we
would have seen days 5 and 6 of the creation story take place
over hundreds of millions of years. God is timeless.

If Evolution is viewed through extreme 'fast forward', its
not meaningfully different from Creation by the 'unseen
hand' guiding the mutations and adaptations toward a
specific design.

So I am one example of a believer in Evolution but not
abiogenesis (at least not on its fundamental level that
it occurred by chance).__off the web
End quote.

I posted it merely for your consideration and for
the consideration of anyone reading the thread.

Best..

JAG

Scot Me Up Beamy.

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[BenjaminO]

Thank you for your comments.

My view is there is no such thing as an atheist.

My view is that atheism is a Religion and I therefore
often speak about the Religion Of Atheism.

One reason is this , ,

Henry , , ,
~ Henry claims to be an atheist.
~ There is nothing in Henry's world that is Higher than Henry.
~ Henry has a god.
~ The name of Henry's god is Henry.
~ Henry is his own Supreme Being.
~ Henry therefore has a religion.
~ The name of Henry's Religion is Henryism.
~ Also known as the Religion Of Atheism.


And by the way I do not say that you claim to be an atheist.
I do not know how you self-identify.

Back to rights , , ,

I have a right to hold to my personal views and opinions and
to present them for your consideration.

You have a right to refuse to read them and/or to refuse to believe
they are true.

I will not, and do not, ever seek to force my views on another,
I merely present them for the consideration of anyone interested in
reading them.

There is no logical reasons why you need to care one way or the
other about what I personally believe on the issues of , ,
~ There is no such thing as an atheist.
~ The Religion Of Atheism

You can hold to what you believe and I can hold to what I believe.

My view is there is no such thing as an atheist.

My view is that all men KNOW there is a God that created them.
I have strong Biblical reasons for believing this to be true.

Here they are , , ,

Romans 1:19-20
Romans 1:19-20 says "since what may be known about
God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to
them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible
qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have
been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse."

Note the particulars in Romans 1:19-20
{1) There is information that can be known about God.
{2} This information is plain to men.
{3} God Himself has made it plain to them.
{4} It has been plain to them since the creation of the world.
{5} God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen
{6} All this in understood from what God created.
{7} Therefore men are without excuse {for not believing in God.}

Romans 1:19-20 is the germ principle of the Teleological Argument
for the existence of God -- the argument from the Intelligent Design
of the Human Person, the Earth-Sun-Moon-Stars, and the Universe.

Psalm 19:1-4 , , ,
Psalm 19:1-4 says , , ,
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."

Note the particulars in Psalm 19:1-4
{1} The Heavens declare God's glory.
{2} The skies above proclaim His works
{3} Day after day they speak of God's creative work
{4} Night after night they reveal God's works
{5} They use no literal word but their voice goes out worldwide
{6} Therefore all men KNOW there is a God

Just because some men claim they lack belief in the existence
of God does not mean that they actually DO lack belief in the
existence of God. On Christian lights, God, in Romans, and in
other Bible verses, says there is no such thing as an atheist.
As a Christian I have a clear choice:
{1} I can believe what God says
{2} I can believe what mere men claim to be true.

I choose to believe {1}
{see list of those 5 Bible references below}

Romans 1:18
Romans 1:18 says that humans "suppress the truth." Atheists
are part of humanity, so Romans 1:18 applies to them also.

Romans 2:15 , , ,
Romans 2:15 says the requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts." So all men know there is a God that
created them.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 , , ,
Ecclesiastes 3:11 says , , ,
"He has also set eternity in the human heart"

Five Biblical References , , ,
These Bible verses clearly teach there is no such thing
as an atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:15
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11


Best.

JAG


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After all that jibberish I will repeat...
You have no right to assign me to a (your) god being.
That in turn has nothing to do with Atheism.
So your rambling tangent on Atheism serves no purpose.
If it was your intent to label me as an Atheist you have failed.
You appear desperate as your post(s) ramble on and on.
Have a good day.
P.S. The extensive and overuse of notations of Bible passages is unnecessary.
I have probably read and discussed the Bible from cover to cover more than you.
Nothing you note or point to is new to me or unfamiliar to me.

[Standing Wolf]

JAG, I'm typing this on my phone, so I won't quote you or any of that. I read your two responses to my questions. I guess what I don't understand is - if you accept that God can do anything, in whatever manner he chooses, why would you have a problem with the concept of God forming present day Man from less complex life forms? Does God HAVE to do things the way you think YOU would have done them...or in a way that you totally understand? If he chose to form Man through evolution, why would you have a problem with that? Because it offends your dignity? Because it muddies the theological waters in terms of when Man was sufficiently evolved to have a soul? Isn't assuming that you know exactly how the all powerful Creator of the universe did or didn't do something pretty much the definition of hubris?

[JAG]

After all that jibberish I will repeat...
You have no right to assign me to a (your) god being.

Nor did I post any gibberish.
I do not assign you to my God.
I do not assign you to anything.
Nor will I ever do that.
I present my views that there is no such thing as a atheist.
I do not say that you are an atheist.
If you find my posts disagreeable , ,
You do not have to read them.

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So your rambling tangent on Atheism serves no purpose.

It was not a rambling tangent.
And it did serve a good purpose.

``

If it was your intent to label me as an Atheist you have failed.

I do not label you to be anything.
I do not know how you self-identify,
I believe I said that previously.

``

You appear desperate as your post(s) ramble on and on.

You do not have to read them.
Is there some Force drawing you to my posts?
I am not desperate.

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Have a good day.

I hope you have a very good day too.
Both today and in all future days as well

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P.S. The extensive and overuse of notations of Bible passages is unnecessary.

I disagree.
We are in the Religion Department of this most excellent Forum and Bible verses
are appropriate and informative to some thread-readers.
Again, you do not have to read my posts.

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I have probably read and discussed the Bible from cover to cover more than you.

I am glad to hear that.

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Nothing you note or point to is new to me or unfamiliar to me.

I am glad to hear that too.

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Here is a Tolkien Quote For You.
{ I hope you like Tolkien}

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
__J.R.R. Tolkien {from The Lord Of The Rings.}


Best Regards.

JAG

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[JAG]

JAG, I'm typing this on my phone, so I won't quote you or any of that.
I read your two responses to my questions. I guess what I don't
understand is - if you accept that God can do anything, in whatever
manner he chooses, why would you have a problem with the concept
of God forming present day Man from less complex life forms? Does
God HAVE to do things the way you think YOU would have done
them...or in a way that you totally understand? If he chose to
form Man through evolution, why would you
have a problem with that?
Because it offends your dignity? Because it muddies the theological
waters in terms of when Man was sufficiently evolved to have a soul?
Isn't assuming that you know exactly how the all powerful Creator of
the universe did or didn't do something pretty much the definition of
hubris?

Standing Wolf,
Thank you for your comments.
You did a good job with that post using your smart phone.

Regarding your questions, you probably over-looked a crucial part
of my Opening Post, where i said the following , , ,
{and give this a very careful read}


JAG Wrote In The OP , ,

It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there.
And my view is that anybody who believes all that
up there is a Great Man Of Faith -- this is why I
speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.

My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

Best.

JAG

Thought For Today.
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation,
by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your
requests to God."Philippians 4:6

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[Standing Wolf]

Standing Wolf,
Thank you for your comments.
You did a good job with that post using your smart phone.

Regarding your questions, you probably over-looked a crucial part
of my Opening Post, where i said the following , , ,
{and give this a very careful read}


JAG Wrote In The OP , ,

It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there.
And my view is that anybody who believes all that
up there is a Great Man Of Faith -- this is why I
speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.

My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

Best.

JAG

Thought For Today.
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation,
by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your
requests to God."Philippians 4:6

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Your fondness for quoting yourself at length over and over again rather than directly addressing the questions you've been asked makes it almost impossible to have a straightforward discussion with you. Sorry, I don't have the time to waste trying to overcome your obvious reluctance to speak plainly and respond to simple questions.

[BenjaminO]

From post # 48...

Best
JAG
PS
He is your God too.
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I do not assign you to my God.
Best Regards.
JAG
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You most certainly did.
Unless you are now going to begin playing word games.
Or you blatantly lied which I don't think is the case.
Maybe you didn't recall what you said.

[JAG]

Your fondness for quoting yourself at length over and over
again rather than directly addressing the questions you've
been asked makes it almost impossible to have a
straightforward discussion with you. Sorry, I don't
have the time to waste trying to overcome your
obvious reluctance to speak plainly and respond
to simple questions.

I quote myself over and over to you because you ignore the
answers given to you and put you Spin on what I write.

My view is that you want me to give you the answers that
YOU want to hear -- and that you do NOT want to hear
anything other than what you want to hear,

You certainly do not have to read my OP's or my posts.
Is there some Force that draws you
to my posts?

I speak very plainly.
You just don't like the answers I give you.

You say you do not have time to waste in conversation
with me. This is not a problem. I have never requested
that you read my OP's or read my posts.

If I am to take you seriously on your "do not have time
to waste" point -- then I guess this is your final goodbye
to JAG, right? This means you will not be reading any
more of my OP's and my posts and will not be posting any
more to me. Because you do not have time to waste.

It was nice chatting with you and may the Lord Bless and
keep you.

Best.

JAG