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    No Correlation Between Climate Change And Wildfires In California – Or Anywhere Else

    As usual warmist/alarmists are wrong, they run on ideology, ignore science research.

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    No Correlation Between Climate Change And Wildfires In California – Or Anywhere Else On Earth


    by Kenneth Richards



    Excerpt:


    A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.

    Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).


    (SNIP)


    Fire history in the Western USA has recently declined to the lowest point in the last 1,400+ years (Marlon et al., 2012).



    Image Source: Marlon et al., 2012




    LINK


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    Three published papers in the link.


    AGW conjecture isn't worth the toilet paper it is written on.

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    Example of media bullcrap:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    As usual warmist/alarmists are wrong, they run on ideology, ignore science research.

    No Tricks Zone


    No Correlation Between Climate Change And Wildfires In California – Or Anywhere Else On Earth


    by Kenneth Richards



    Excerpt:


    A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.

    Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).


    (SNIP)


    Fire history in the Western USA has recently declined to the lowest point in the last 1,400+ years (Marlon et al., 2012).



    Image Source: Marlon et al., 2012




    LINK


    ======


    Three published papers in the link.


    AGW conjecture isn't worth the toilet paper it is written on.

    ======

    Example of media bullcrap:


    The Carbon Brief has an article, "How climate change is affecting wildfires around the world", that explains that even though the total area burned by fires has been decreasing for a couple of decades,

    climate change is driving weather conditions that can stoke wildfires. The No Tricks Zone presented one article about there being no link between coastal California and anthropogenic warming.

    They presented another article on the long term trend in the reduction of forest area burned globally which isn't relevant to recent fires and anthropogenic climate change and another article on

    the recent decline (20 Years) in global area burned. The second article does not mean that climate is not correlated with wildfires.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explaine...ound-the-world


    This article shows a map of the world and areas where there have been wildfires influenced by climate change.

    The map shows how the majority of the 73 studies published since 2013 looking into wildfires either fully or mostly support the statement that climate change is increasing the risk of wildfires.
    It also shows that the vast majority of regional wildfire studies have been conducted in North America, Europe and Australia – with a visible lack of studies in the fire hotspots of central Africa and southeast Asia.
    The review found strong evidence that climate change is making the weather conditions needed for wildfires more likely, says Dr Matthew Jones, a senior researcher of fire emissions at the University of East Anglia and lead author of the analysis. He tells Carbon Brief:
    “Our main focus in the ScienceBrief review was on fire weather and how it is impacted by climate change. We found unequivocal evidence – based on observations and models spanning key global regions – that anthropogenic climate change has increased the flammability of landscape fuels and placed upwards pressure on fire activity.”

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    Where are you going with "climate change"? Even if it was true, which it isn't and if it was it isn't any different than fluctuations that have been ongoing for millenia, what is it you're trying to achieve?

    Do you want ownership and control of General Motors and Boeing, or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Where are you going with "climate change"? Even if it was true, which it isn't and if it was it isn't any different than fluctuations that have been ongoing for millenia, what is it you're trying to achieve?
    Massive wealth transfers from the first world to developing nations. More socialism, less freedom.
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    Watts Up With That?

    Did Global Warming Play A Significant Role in the Recent Northwest Wildfires?


    Charles Rotter / 1 day ago September 22, 2020

    Reposted from the Cliff Mass Weather Blog

    Monday, September 21, 2020



    A number of groups and individuals are claiming that the recent major wildfires in the Pacific Northwest are predominantly or significantly the result of climate change produced by increasing greenhouse gases.


    In fact, many have called these conflagrations “climate fires.” Did global warming (a.k.a. climate change) have a significant impact on the Northwest wildfires of the past few weeks?


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    This is an effective scholarly approach to the headline question, a well written refutation against the climate change caused the fires dogma.

    He makes clear that Climate Change didn't cause these fires, and the long hanging smoke shroud over the region, he used actual meteorological data and past weather history to show WHY this is a result of an unusual weather event,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    The Carbon Brief has an article, "How climate change is affecting wildfires around the world", that explains that even though the total area burned by fires has been decreasing for a couple of decades,

    climate change is driving weather conditions that can stoke wildfires. The No Tricks Zone presented one article about there being no link between coastal California and anthropogenic warming.

    They presented another article on the long term trend in the reduction of forest area burned globally which isn't relevant to recent fires and anthropogenic climate change and another article on

    the recent decline (20 Years) in global area burned. The second article does not mean that climate is not correlated with wildfires.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explaine...ound-the-world


    This article shows a map of the world and areas where there have been wildfires influenced by climate change.

    The map shows how the majority of the 73 studies published since 2013 looking into wildfires either fully or mostly support the statement that climate change is increasing the risk of wildfires.
    It also shows that the vast majority of regional wildfire studies have been conducted in North America, Europe and Australia – with a visible lack of studies in the fire hotspots of central Africa and southeast Asia.
    The review found strong evidence that climate change is making the weather conditions needed for wildfires more likely, says Dr Matthew Jones, a senior researcher of fire emissions at the University of East Anglia and lead author of the analysis. He tells Carbon Brief:
    “Our main focus in the ScienceBrief review was on fire weather and how it is impacted by climate change. We found unequivocal evidence – based on observations and models spanning key global regions – that anthropogenic climate change has increased the flammability of landscape fuels and placed upwards pressure on fire activity.”
    Once again, you post a deflection away from my post, which means you didn't address anything I posted. You didn't address any of the published papers, or discuss the chart I posted.

    You have this bad habit, do you do this a lot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    Once again, you post a deflection away from my post, which means you didn't address anything I posted. You didn't address any of the published papers, or discuss the chart I posted.

    You have this bad habit, do you do this a lot?
    I did not disagree with anything in the No Tricks Zone published papers. I disagree with the title of the OP, which is the same as the No Tricks Zone title. These articles don't even begin to prove that

    there is no correlation between wildfires and climate change anywhere on earth or in the state of California. The article in the Carbon Brief as well as many articles in peer reviewed journals establish

    a link between wildfires and climate change in many regions of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    The Carbon Brief has an article, "How climate change is affecting wildfires around the world", that explains that even though the total area burned by fires has been decreasing for a couple of decades,

    climate change is driving weather conditions that can stoke wildfires. The No Tricks Zone presented one article about there being no link between coastal California and anthropogenic warming.

    They presented another article on the long term trend in the reduction of forest area burned globally which isn't relevant to recent fires and anthropogenic climate change and another article on

    the recent decline (20 Years) in global area burned. The second article does not mean that climate is not correlated with wildfires.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explaine...ound-the-world


    This article shows a map of the world and areas where there have been wildfires influenced by climate change.

    [FONT="]The map shows how the majority of the 73 studies published since 2013 looking into wildfires either fully or mostly support the statement that climate change is increasing the risk of wildfires. [/FONT]
    [FONT="]It also shows that the vast majority of regional wildfire studies have been conducted in North America, Europe and Australia – with a visible lack of studies in the fire hotspots of central Africa and southeast Asia.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]The review found strong evidence that climate change is making the weather conditions needed for wildfires more likely, says Dr Matthew Jones, a senior researcher of fire emissions at the University of East Anglia and lead author of the analysis. He tells Carbon Brief:[/FONT]
    “Our main focus in the ScienceBrief review was on fire weather and how it is impacted by climate change. We found unequivocal evidence – based on observations and models spanning key global regions – that anthropogenic climate change has increased the flammability of landscape fuels and placed upwards pressure on fire activity.”
    Yawn!!!!

    The facts are the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I did not disagree with anything in the No Tricks Zone published papers. I disagree with the title of the OP, which is the same as the No Tricks Zone title. These articles don't even begin to prove that

    there is no correlation between wildfires and climate change anywhere on earth or in the state of California. The article in the Carbon Brief as well as many articles in peer reviewed journals establish

    a link between wildfires and climate change in many regions of the world.
    Translation: I have no argument against the posted articles content, which is why I whine and complain about the headline instead.


    The papers in the article strongly supported the headline, why continue to resist the evidence?


    This chart didn't seem to penetrate your warmist/alarmist ideology at all, it is why they post tortured rationalizations that are so absurd and destroy people's credibility who have science degree.





    Notice you completely ignored Dr. Mass article, that convincingly refutes climate change as the culprit, it was caused by a rare weather event.


    It was already hot and dry enough for fires to exist, as it has been for centuries, even during the LIA, there plenty of hot fires occurring.

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    From YOUR carbon brief article:


    A human-driven decline in global burned area


    Abstract

    Fire is an essential Earth system process that alters ecosystem and atmospheric composition. Here we assessed long-term fire trends using multiple satellite data sets. We found that global burned area declined by 24.3 ± 8.8% over the past 18 years. The estimated decrease in burned area remained robust after adjusting for precipitation variability and was largest in savannas. Agricultural expansion and intensification were primary drivers of declining fire activity. Fewer and smaller fires reduced aerosol concentrations, modified vegetation structure, and increased the magnitude of the terrestrial carbon sink. Fire models were unable to reproduce the pattern and magnitude of observed declines, suggesting that they may overestimate fire emissions in future projections. Using economic and demographic variables, we developed a conceptual model for predicting fire in human-dominated landscapes.



    red bolding mine


    By the way you still haven't addressed the contents of post one article, which means the article stand unchallenged.

    I feel sorry for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Where are you going with "climate change"? Even if it was true, which it isn't and if it was it isn't any different than fluctuations that have been ongoing for millenia, what is it you're trying to achieve?

    Do you want ownership and control of General Motors and Boeing, or what?

    No response ... In that case, I agree with Peter, and that's just more proof that it's a crock of $#@!.

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