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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No one said it was "solely" pushed by anyone and no one said anything about Democrats. Bad look. You should really do better than this...
    I like the way you back peddle...
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I'd have to agree, of course, that the exact meanings of words like "progressive" and "conservative" have changed over time. Nevertheless I think it's valid to look at the people who were advocating for laws to enforce societally accepted moral norms - in everything from dress to what could be published in books to what could be shown in the movies, to matters like whether same-sex couples should be jailed for dancing together in public and whether interracial marriages should be permitted - and refer to those individuals as the "conservatives" of their day.
    I think once we leave context behind and stop dealing with the past on its own terms "conservative" become a useless and misleading descriptor. In our scenario, we would have to describe the progressive movement of the early 20th Century as essentially conservative with its emphasis on anti-immigration and anti-prostitution measures, eugenic prescriptions, alcohol prohibition and censorship. It works so far but what about women's suffrage, public education reform and child labor laws among so much else on the labor front that we now tend to associate with the left? It's an ideological mess but only because we're forcing our own conceptions on that past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    I like the way you back peddle...
    Not sure what you mean but it's clear you don't either.

    You are one of our more undignified members.
    Last edited by Mister D; 09-25-2020 at 04:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I'd have to agree, of course, that the exact meanings of words like "progressive" and "conservative" have changed over time. Nevertheless I think it's valid to look at the people who were advocating for laws to enforce societally accepted moral norms - in everything from dress to what could be published in books to what could be shown in the movies, to matters like whether same-sex couples should be jailed for dancing together in public and whether interracial marriages should be permitted - and refer to those individuals as the "conservatives" of their day.
    In terms of Prohibition that was almost entirely a religious based movement more than a political one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I think once we leave context behind and stop dealing with the past on its own terms "conservative" become a useless and misleading descriptor. In our scenario, we would have to describe the progressive movement of the early 20th Century as essentially conservative with its emphasis on anti-immigration and anti-prostitution measures, eugenic prescriptions, alcohol prohibition and censorship. It works so far but what about women's suffrage, public education reform and child labor laws among so much else on the labor front that we now tend to associate with the left? It's an ideological mess but only because we're forcing our own conceptions on that past.
    I know what you're saying and I believe that at least part of the confusion lies in describing the folks who had an anti-immigration, anti-prostitution, pro-censorship agenda as "progressives". It's true that it's how they described themselves at the time and how historians refer to them today, but in fact - from our perspective - their aims and methods were, as you put it, "an ideological mess" - encompassing some causes and views that we identify with the Left and some that we think of as being favored by the Right.
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    What is lost today is the quaint notion that people must take responsibility for their own damn self. Somehow replaced by the notion that if you are a screw up, Gov't (via taxation of those who are not screwups) owes you a living.

    I applaud Bill Clinton's welfare reform legislation. Two years to get it together and quit being a screwup because the money faucet is getting turned off on you.
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." - Patrick Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Being dipped in a vat of acid might certainly be ranked as "cruel," but hanging? Doesn't the neck snap quickly?
    Depends on how you do it.
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