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    Philosophy’s systemic racism

    "Somehow, according to Rousseau, we must find a way to have the future thinking that makes justice possible, without losing the sense of being present that brings us ease and joy. We must, in other words, learn to combine the seemingly opposed terms of instinct and rationality in order to synthesise a way of being in the world where we are neither so present as to neglect the future nor so alienated from the present as to destroy our happiness. We need, in other words, a dialectical process to occur between the French and Caribs. And this whole way of thinking, this groundwork of dialectical thought, has a fundamental origin in Rousseau’s racist thoughts about how the peoples of the Antilles are too stupid to know in the morning that, come evening, they will need a hammock to sleep on."

    And his successor: "Hegel certainly was an explicit racist. He believed, for example, that Black Africans were a ‘race of children that remain immersed in a state of naiveté’. He further wrote that Indigenous peoples lived in ‘a condition of savagery and unfreedom’. And in The Philosophy of Right (1821), he argued that there is a ‘right of heroes’ to colonise these people in order to bring them into a progress of European enlightenment."

    And his successors: "When the U.S. annexed California after the Mexican-American War, Marx wrote: 'Without violence nothing is ever accomplished in history.' Then he asked, 'Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?' Friedrich Engels added: 'In America we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.' Many of Marx's racist ideas were reported in 'Karl Marx, Racist' a book written by Nathaniel Weyl, a former member of the U.S. Communist Party."

    And their successors: "'We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,' Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network."


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    Did you know that Karl Marx was a racist and an anti-Semite?
    Black Lives Matter co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’
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    Black Lives Matter is the operational arm of “critical race theory,” the postmodern philosophy of “critical theory” applied to race. Critical theory suffers an inescapable epistemological conundrum. It’s the Liar’s Paradox: If a Cretan says all Cretans are liars, is he to be believed?


    Or, in the case of critical theory: If a theory denies objective or universal truths, claiming that the powers-that-be subconsciously construct “reality” by projecting their will to power onto the transcendent screen of axiomatic certainty, all to perpetuate structures of power in which they’re on top, then does not critical theory itself fall under that same dynamic?


    Put another way, how on earth do critical theorists exempt themselves from what they say are forces at work determining what everyone else does? How on earth is critical theory itself not a quest for power by those who came up with the theory?

    Dead White Men Strike Again

    So, who came up with critical theory? You got it: white men. Or do you not recognize in Immanuel Kant, Karl Marx, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Michel Foucault, Jean Baudrillard, Ferdinand de Saussure, George Herbert Mead, Noam Chomsky, Hans-Georg Gadamer, Roland Barthes, and Jacques Derrida, a whiteness the lilies themselves would envy. Should we not add critical theory to the list of oppressive systems dead white men came up with to advance white power?


    But, you say, theorists of critical race theory are black. Right, but this proves nothing. Doesn’t critical race theory say whites need “Uncle Toms” so they can tell themselves nice bedtime stories about how wonderful they are?


    Doesn’t the current system of “white privilege” need its black capitalists, black police officers, and black Republicans so whites can feel good about the system? Why wouldn’t the same dynamic be at work with critical theory regarding critical race theory?

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/24...hite-leftists/



    Patrisse Cullors is one of the three co-founders of BLM, along with Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Cullors is credited with creating the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter in 2013 after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Treyvon Martin case. She cites Weather Underground member Eric Mann as being an inspiration, her “mentor.
    In a video, Patrisee Cullors describes herself and Garza as “trained Marxists.” ......snip~


    https://cnsnews.com/article/national...ork-through-us



    Hence the change from Systemic to Institutional. Which then when that didnt work. From Institutional to Systematic. Then when that didnt work. From Systematic to Structural and now since that doesnt work. From Structural to Foundational Racism.


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    Hitler had a lot of respect for 'First Peoples' -

    The United States and Australia afford good examples. Success, certainly - but only on the material side. They are artificial edifices, bodies without age, of which it is impossible to say whether they are still in a state of infancy or whether they have already been touched by senility. In those continents which were inhabited, failure has been even more marked. In them, the white races have imposed their will by force, and the influence they have had on the native inhabitants has been negligible; the Hindus have remained Hindus, the Chinese have remained Chinese, and the Moslems are still Moslems. There have been no profound transformations, and such changes as have occurred are less marked in the religious field, notwithstanding the tremendous efforts of the Christian missionaries, than in any other. There have been a few odd conversions the sincerity of which are open to considerable doubt-except, perhaps in the case of a few simpletons and mentally deficients. The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives, and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made, those plagues of our own modern world-materialism, fanaticism, alcoholism and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples possessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything we could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged. Where imposition by force was attempted, the results were even more disastrous, and common sense, realizing the futility of such measures, should preclude any recourse to their introduction. One solitary success must be conceded to the colonizers: everywhere they have succeeded in arousing hatred, a hatred that urges these peoples, awakened from their slumbers by us, to rise and drive us out. Indeed, it looks almost as though they had awakened solely and simply for that purpose!
    https://archive.org/stream/Political.../PTAH_djvu.txt

    edit - Not a lot of respect for Europeans that colonized places like the United States and Australia though.

    edit - Always with the syphilis. He never shuts up about it. Ha.


    edit - Ha

    edit - I didnt really read your OP too well. Its a lot to take in. Ha. But wasnt Marx Jewish? And BLM are his successors? You love this 'trained Marxist' stuff dont you Chris.

    I guess that being enslaved by European colonialists awakened a hatred within a lot of African Americans that exists to this day - and while that hatred may not be motivating them to drive Europeans out like Hitler thought the awakened hatred of First Peoples did - it seems that the African American hatred is motivating them to destroy their former masters. And since we are all capitalists then what better way to destroy us than with Marxism? Like Hitler is saying - us European colonizers really only have ourselves to blame for the hatred we have woken in first peoples - and also within our former slaves. Shame on us.

    Woke hatred. Is it justified? Hitler says yes.
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    Actually, Hitler had a great deal of admiration for British and American colonialism (which is precisely what Manifest Destiny entailed). Hitler was fascinated by aspects of the Western genre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Actually, Hitler had a great deal of admiration for British and American colonialism (which is precisely what Manifest Destiny entailed). Hitler was fascinated by aspects of the Western genre.
    I used to watch The Lone Ranger and Daniel Boone with my dad when I was a kid but I wouldnt read too much into that. Just because Hitler liked cowboys doesnt mean he admired colonialism. A lot of Germans like westerns apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneOnly2 View Post
    I used to watch The Lone Ranger and Daniel Boone with my dad when I was a kid but I wouldnt read too much into that. Just because Hitler liked cowboys doesnt mean he admired colonialism. A lot of Germans like westerns apparently.
    Hitler didn't admire colonialism? What do you think the Nazis were doing in Eastern Europe? What the Nazis didn't admire was the blatant hypocrisy of the liberal regimes.

    Yeah, that's true. Germans have a fascination with the American frontier and Native Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Actually, Hitler had a great deal of admiration for British and American colonialism (which is precisely what Manifest Destiny entailed). Hitler was fascinated by aspects of the Western genre.
    Hitler’s American Dream

    ...“One thing the Americans have and which we lack,” complained Hitler, “is the sense of vast open spaces.” He was repeating what German colonialists had said for decades. By the time Germany had unified in 1871, the world had already been colonized by other European powers. Germany’s defeat in the First World War cost it the few overseas possessions it had gained. So where, in the 20th century, were the lands open for German conquest? Where was Germany’s frontier, its Manifest Destiny?

    All that remained was the home continent. “For Germany,” wrote Hitler, “the only possibility of a sound agrarian policy was the acquisition of land within Europe itself.” To be sure, there was no place near Germany that was uninhabited or even underpopulated. The crucial thing was to imagine that European “spaces” were, in fact, “open.” Racism was the idea that turned populated lands into potential colonies, and the source mythologies for racists arose from the recent colonization of North America and Africa. The conquest and exploitation of these continents by Europeans formed the literary imagination of Europeans of Hitler’s generation. Like millions of other children born in the 1880s and 1890s, Hitler played at African wars and read Karl May’s novels of the American West. Hitler said that May had opened his “eyes to the world.”...
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    That said, it's also true that the traditional right and the fascists hated what America represented (materialism, the so called 'reign of quantity', egalitarianism etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That said, it's also true that the traditional right and the fascists hated what America represented (materialism, the so called 'reign of quantity', egalitarianism etc.).
    And the left, where the thread started, based their ideology on dialectical materialism, on which Marx parted ways with Hegel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And the left, where the thread started, based their ideology on dialectical materialism, on which Marx parted ways with Hegel.
    Sorry I took things off track.

    It's painfully obvious that BLM's founders are "sort of" clueless. The ideologies of progress are steeped in racism conscious or not.
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